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7:02 AM
oh, wait. you mean on the same machine?
 
-- comments don't work inside do blocks?
 
-- comments?
 
@cHao I do it on the same machine usually, but I think it's not so hard with X11 forwarding to make it go on another machine
Haskell?
 
ah. one of the languages i have no clue about...lol
 
@CatPlusPlus They do.
 
7:04 AM
Well, GHC is not happy about them.
 
There, now it's a pun.
@CatPlusPlus Maybe indentations messed up?
Code.
 
does Haskell care about indentation of comments too?
 
Oh, right, DERP.
It has to be more indented.
Well, no, it wasn't even that. I forgot to close the tuple in the signature.
 
derp indeed. :)
 
@keithlayne No, that would be incredibly silly.
 
7:14 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes that totally deserved a "your mom" comeback
but I have learned to be careful with that
 
Is there a "smart pointer guide" answer somewhere?
 
0
A: Heading a file one line at a time in Haskell

Cat Plus PlusThe very simple version could be: parse :: FilePath -> IO (Int, Int, [Int], [[Int]]) parse filename = do -- right side returns all lines, pattern matching magic takes -- out first two into mn_line and ks_line, and puts the rest -- in matrix_lines mn_line : ks_line : matrix_lin...

I have a feeling it could be done without those returns.
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm not reading that, but I'm +1ing for the Parsec recommendation.
Parsec is awesome.
Oh noes, curiousguy is onto me!
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A: Using protected data in a parent, passed into a child class

R. Martinho FernandesYou cannot access protected data via a pointer/reference to the base class. This is to prevent you from breaking the invariants that other derived classes may have on that data. class parent { protected: int a; }; class child : public parent { public: void addOne(parent * &...

 
He was here yesterday.
 
Oh, right, I remember. Said "no" to something and went away.
 
7:21 AM
@CatPlusPlus my understanding was that return is superfluous pretty much except for the last line of a do...am I confused?
 
It complains without it.
 
@CatPlusPlus You silly.
 
What? :P
 
You put the stuff into the monad with return, only to remove it immediately by binding it?
 
io.hs:9:15:
    Couldn't match expected type `IO t0' with actual type `[Int]'
    In the return type of a call of `read_ints'
    In a stmt of a 'do' expression: [m, n] <- read_ints mn_line
    In a stmt of a 'do' expression:
        mn_line : ks_line : matrix_lines <- (liftM lines . readFile)
                                              filename
 
7:23 AM
@CatPlusPlus also, your read_ints is something I'd really like to do inline without having a separate function to get the type constraints right...I ended up with map (\x -> read x :: Int) whatever...I couldn't figure out how to make it nicer. Bummer.
 
@CatPlusPlus FTFY. See your answer.
 
I could do (map read . words) :: [Int], but it's repeated.
 
that didn't occur to me, thanks
 
Oh, right, let.
 
@CatPlusPlus No, map read . words is a function.
String -> [Int].
Just like read_ints is.
 
7:25 AM
Oh, you know what I mean.
 
I'm not a Perl interpreter, you know.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes could you also put all of those in one let instead of repeating?
 
What do you think of my add function?
unsigned add(unsigned a, unsigned b)
{
    do
    {
        unsigned c = a & b;
        a = a ^ b;
        b = c << 1;
    } while (b);
    return a;
}
 
@keithlayne Maybe if you used in return ... afterwards. But I'm not sure I could get the indents right :)
 
@FredOverflow classy
 
cpx
7:28 AM
@FredOverflow Will it be faster than c = a + b?
 
@cpx lol, of course not :)
 
Hell++ would optimize that to c = a + b.
Because it has a special case just for that function.
 
I have:
ns <- words <$> getLine
print $ solve 0 (map (\n -> read n :: Int) ns)
but I would like to do without the `ns`...I think my lack of understanding of <$> and <*> and monad crap make me confused.
I don't know yet how to make that cleaner
maybe a liftM with the map composed with the words call?
 
@keithlayne (map read . words) <$> getLine?
Or map read <$> words <$> getLine.
 
Is there a $$$ operator in Haskell? Maybe that's why banks tend to use the language? :)
 
7:34 AM
maybe I tried that and the type inference didn't work since I needed a list of Ints...
 
I wish you could say "read :: Int"
 
@keithlayne Does solve take a list of Ints?
 
yes
 
No $$$ operator, so Haskell is not a money oriented programming language.
 
7:34 AM
solve 0 <$> map read <$> words <$> getLine
Type inference should take the clue with the solve argument.
 
that makes sense...I admit I was just trying different permutations of all the operators I'd learned at that point...with no success. Thanks.
 
<$> and <*> can really make life easier.
 
I've purified it a bit!
 
I'd +1 again for the selective import.
 
hmmmmm....@RMartinhoFernandes that works awesomely.
however, doing print <$> ... gives me a warning about not binding the result, and doesn't print the solution...am I retarded? Wait, don't answer that.
I mean the second part, that is.
 
7:42 AM
@keithlayne <$> is fmap.
 
I'm tracking that....and I think I understand that part.
 
Or something.
 
but I thought that fmap print x where x is of type IO whatever would print the whatever
 
print :: Show a => a -> IO ()
 
duh...so I need <*>?
oh wait, I feel retarded again
FML
I'm totally lost now
 
7:45 AM
What can you do when you have a monad (the result of the solve ... thing) and a function a -> m b?
It's something basic.
 
<-
I guess
 
Yes.
That needs do though, and that's what you were trying to get rid of, right?
You can bind with the operator directly >>=.
 
no, it's all in a do, I left that out
 
Or it's reversed cousin =<<.
 
can I freaking print it without binding? I'm not properly into the monad discussion yet.
 
7:47 AM
print =<< solve 0 <$> map read <$> words <$> getLine
 
I need to sit down and get through Typeclassopedia.
 
(Not sure about the precedences there, may need parenthesis)
 
that looks very sensible, can you explain it in a few words?
 
Magic.
 
I ain't scared of no parentheses
 
7:48 AM
@keithlayne >>= is part of a monad's definition.
 
@Cat that was only one word
 
I can't explain it without monads.
 
can you explain it with gonads?
 
that works beautifully...thank you, I will have to understand it later in full
 
7:51 AM
Did it need parentheses?
 
now that program is shorter and more awesome yet doesn't give the correct result. No parens needed.
 
Maybe solve has a bug.
 
it certainly does
part of Haskell's beauty is that you can write elegantly buggy programs
 
lol
So, can I assume that "Learn you a Haskell" introduces the cool <$> and <*> operators, or you picked that somewhere else?
 
now, I also in my main read the first line of input that tells me how many times I need to solve...
I do this with a "where loop n = " blah blah blah
so that when my counter is 0 I do a return ()
Is this decent Haskell style?
You recommended a book and don't know what's in it? Shame on you. The answer is yes.
 
7:55 AM
@keithlayne I think I mentioned to you at the time that I only skimmed through it.
 
Unfortunately monads at this point are just hazy boxed values to me as yet.
 
@keithlayne You could use replicateM for that I think.
 
You wanna make an issue of my Alzheimer's now? What were we talking about?
 
@keithlayne You should get working on that!
 
Yeah, go see ST.
 
7:56 AM
Leave ST for last.
 
the alzheimer's, or what?
 
They'll become dark magic hazy boxed values.
 
ST?
 
It's a monad.
A deep magic one.
Lets you do mutable stuff.
 
Will I come out of it kicking Harry Potter ass?
 
7:57 AM
No really, you should fight the fear of monads.
You can't say you know Haskell without that.
 
I don't fear anything. I'm a badass.
It's a work in progress, yo.
dude, looks like main becomes a one-liner maybe with replicateM. I missed that. The docs are kinda crappy for my taste.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Like "I know C++, except for those strange templates"? ;)
 
@FredOverflow Exactly!
 
I know C++ without ++.
 
cpx
I know C with ++.
 
8:02 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes That would be 90% of all "C++" programmers, I guess :)
 
:(
Why are you happy?
 
hey, at least I'm not scared of templates one bit. I used to think that was something...until I met you guys.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Because I can chat with the other 10% :)
 
you guys need to hug it out
 
8:03 AM
hugs... isn't that a Haskell interpreter? :)
 
Pretty much dead nowadays. Was still raging back when I started.
 
comes with the "haskell platform" I think, but I'm not sure why
 
It does?
Didn't notice.
 
all right, FML: in replicateM_ 3 (do print 1) is there a nice operator to get rid of parens?
 
print 1 >>= replicateM_ 3
just a wild guess, haven't done any Haskell in months :)
 
8:09 AM
$ is the official "remove parens" operator.
 
see, I tried <$> first, clearly I'm getting confused
my brain just pooped on my face
 
@keithlayne You need to get into the monad thing. <$> is for monads.
 
Does the above work?
1 min ago, by FredOverflow
print 1 >>= replicateM_ 3
 
yeah, I think I know exactly what it does, but since the do gives me a monad, I tried that first
Couldn't match expected type `()' with actual type `m0 a0'
Expected type: () -> IO b0
  Actual type: m0 a0 -> m0 ()
In the return type of a call of `replicateM_'
In the second argument of `(>>=)', namely `replicateM_ 3'
 
@FredOverflow No.
 
8:11 AM
What is the signature of print?
 
replicateM_ 3 :: Monad m => m a -> m ()
print :: Show a => a -> IO ()
(>>=) :: Monad m => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b
 
print :: Show a => a -> IO ()
 
Does replicateM_ 3 . print $ 1 work?
 
8:14 AM
@keithlayne You don't need the do there, though.
do A is the same as A.
 
I know, but probably need a do for the rest of it. I guess I could use where to make it nicer.
 
Is do notation considered harmful? :)
 
No way.
replicateM_ 1000 $ putStrLn "I am not going to enter a discussion with curiousguy"
 
okay now, you don't mind more questions?
 
Go ahead. There's an Haskell room though. You may want to move there, to avoid annoying the natives :)
 
8:18 AM
replicateM_ (read <$> getLine) $ print 42
will this work with some help?
 
Needs <*>, I think.
 
I know there's a haskell room, but they're probably even more condescending than deadmg
 
No, they're not.
It's pretty much just me and hammar.
 
stop! hammar time.
well, as long as you're here, and sbi isn't here to yell at me....
where would the <*> go? I just need to "unbox" the number from the read, right?
 
Scratch that, won't work.
 
8:22 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm here when I remember to hit the 'Rejoin favorite rooms' button!
 
won't work ever, or just not with <*>? Was thinking about =<< like with the print somehow.
 
@keithlayne Damn, I don't know how to hack that into replicateM_ elegantly.
 
muhahahaha I win
 
@keithlayne Problem is that expects a a -> m b.
Stick with do for that.
 
was hoping to purge all the dos...oh well. This is helping me a lot I think, I appreciate it.
 
8:26 AM
Nothing wrong about do really.
 
hopefully it will be easier to read those types with time
 
I know it feels imperative, but it's okay.
 
well, lisp has loops, doesn't bother me that much
 
join (return replicateM_ <*> (read <$> getLine) <*> (print <$> return 1))
-- Don't do this at home
@keithlayne Mwhahahaha!
 
sbi
@keithlayne This is not in the newbie hints, I think. They do, however, explain how you can get to the "source code" of a message. (You didn't think I'd let that one slip just because you said it while I was asleep, did you?)
@RMartinhoFernandes I learned to like port only last year. However, I only drink it only for dessert. But as a desert I like it a lot. The kids prefer ice cream, though.
 
8:29 AM
@sbi Yes, it's usually for dessert. No one drinks that with a meal.
 
sbi
@keithlayne This is called a tetrapak here. (Which I think comes from a Swedish brand for them. ICBWT.) You can buy almost any liquid in it, although you'll probably find that the wine you can buy find in tetras will offend even American sensibilities. And that says a lot.
 
Can I [tag:] ?
apparently not :(
 
sbi
@FredOverflow You can, but they won't render properly.
 
@sbi I am now stealthily referring to you without the @...
 
sbi
@keithlayne You did in the message I referred to. I still found out.
 
8:31 AM
curse the gods of the chat room!
 
sbi
@keithlayne Do not curse at me.
 
@sbi good morning to you, I hope you are well today.
 
sbi
@keithlayne See, that's better. Much better. Oh, and good morning to you, too. (I know it's not morning over there. That's why I said it.)
 
@sbi I was amused that you used the words "fuck" and "shit" in a meta post about somebody flagging those words indiscriminately.
Oh but it is morning here. Sort of. I will count it as a win anyway.
keith: 1, sbi: 42
@RMartinhoFernandes that is some bullshit right there
 
@keithlayne It works!
Ugly as fuck.
 
8:35 AM
 
sbi
@keithlayne Which posting are you referring to? I have said on meta numerous times that, while society I was raised in prefers if you avoid swear words, it does not pretend nobody ever uses them, and so does not, in general, object to you discussing them.
 
so does COBOL, but who would use it?
 
@Pubby Hah, cheater.
 
@sbi meta-cursing is not as fun as the real thing though
 
sbi
@Pubby You just spend 6mins of your precious lifetime just to spite @Fred? You gotta be more efficient in spiting people, or you will feel like you died to soon when it happens.
 
8:38 AM
36
Q: Is the language "BrainF_ck" offensive?

user27414There are a couple of posts on SO where the BrainF_ck language is mentioned that have been flagged as offensive. Should these be edited to "BrainF_ck" (or something else), or left as is? Personally, I could go either way.

 
sbi
@keithlayne For a sane person, there is no fun to be had on meta at all.
 
@sbi 6 minutes is meaningless to an immortal
 
sbi
@keithlayne Ah, that one. After I vowed to stay out of such discussions (there seems to be no way to objectively discuss the issue with some Americans — and I did notice that you didn't upvote it), along came this factoid, and I couldn't bring myself to not post it as an answer. Advertised it here (mostly Europeans) and it passed by half of the other answers within a day. :)
 
@sbi I would have upvoted it, don't take that as anything but laziness on my part.
@sbi is it really mostly us merkins that take issue with those things?
 
Life will never be the same now that I know what a merkin is. Damn you @cHao.
 
8:46 AM
it is a badge of honor for those that wear it
 
sbi
@keithlayne Oh no! There's also the mullahs.
 
that's what I thought
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes See, that's one advantage of being a human. I forgot the translation and would have to look it up again.
 
Wasn't that kid from singapore or something? I thought he would be caned just for putting that word in a search box.
 
sbi
@keithlayne I have no doubt Americans would do this to a kid from Singapore just because he typed fuck into a search box.
:D
 
8:48 AM
we're not so big on canings these days
 
sbi
@keithlayne To the dismay of many of your zealots.
 
yes, people in my country are more or less defined by their zeal or lack thereof these days.
 
sbi
Anyone in Utah Valley have a Torx T2 screwdriver I can borrow? If my assistant can pick it up at your house, I'll give a signed hardcover.
LOL!
 
we have a Mormon running for president, which I don't really care about abstractly, but I was listening to public radio (about the best news reporting you can get here) and this lady was talking about all the stuff about mormonism that would be brought up.
but they didn't mention massacres from back in the day when they moved to Utah
 
sbi
8:52 AM
Some headlines you wouldn't dare invent: BBC News - Lost puffin found at Winchester hospital sex clinic http://bbc.in/vBOjEj
 
I have a torx t2, but I guess that won't help him
Mormonism, throughout much of its history, has had a relationship with violence. The effect of this violence has had an impact on the history of the Latter Day Saint movement and its doctrines. In the early history of the United States, violence was used as a form of control. Many people of different faiths were harassed and persecuted because of differences in religious beliefs. The Latter Day Saints found themselves in this situation after the founding of their church, which eventually led to the murder of church founder and leader Joseph Smith, Jr. Capital punishment Capital punishment...
 
sbi
@keithlayne Because you live elsewhere, right?
 
no, because I never learned to share :)
 
sbi
@keithlayne You share your kids with your wife, though, do you?
 
@sbi I'm not sure how to answer that
 
sbi
8:55 AM
@keithlayne If in doubt, just agree with me. That's always a good default reaction to my statements.
 
Today we get to go have pictures made with Santa. They will love it.
 
sbi
@keithlayne How old are they?
 
[3,5,6]
I see now, at least "sb" is for silverback
@sbi is Christmas a big deal in your household?
 
sbi
@keithlayne So they are still believing in the existence of Santa?
@keithlayne Yes, it is. For the kids Christmas is a big deal is because they'll get presents. For me it is because I have to spent a wealth on buying those presents for all my kids. A big deal, no matter which way you look at it.
 
@sbi Santa isn't much more than a symbol of Christmastime to them, I think. They know Christmas is fun, so Santa is teh coolest.
We are cheap, and it's remarkably easy to get presents that my kids will love for little of my hard-earned gold.
 
sbi
9:00 AM
@keithlayne Ah. My two smallest ones still believe in him, though this will likely be the last Christmas they do. I am on the brink of hiring someone to play Santa for them. (Here, Santa comes comes through the door, so you can actually perform the stunt as a mere human being.)
 
My wife is a coupon fanatic, which helps a lot. She has bought some gifts already from consignment, which saves a ton. It's nice to live in a banking town with rich folks who get rid of valuable stuff for cheap.
@sbi it was genius to make santa come through the chimney...we don't have one.
I guess we're lucky that our kids are sheltered from a lot of the TV advertising, and just don't know about all the expensive toys out there. My oldest knows a little from his friends, and will whine a little about certain toys, but we haven't given in to him...yet.
 
sbi
@keithlayne Well, I got many presents stashed away already, too, but here we also have St. Nikolaus day on Dec 6th, were the kids get small presents.
Financially I am still struggling with the aftermath of the birthday season (only one of my kids wasn't born Aug-Oct), and now Christmas season is hitting me like a brick. When that's behind me, at the beginning of the new year, the billing season starts, after which I have little time to recover before the vacation season strikes, closely followed by the birthday season. I can't win this game.
@keithlayne Whoa, you live without a TV, too? Never seen that in a Merkin!
 
@sbi we don't do presents in great quantity luckily. We have 5 consecutive months of birthdays, though.
 
sbi
@keithlayne I'm not sure how to answer to that "great quantity" thing. Neither do I, according to my kids, but given I have too many kids, it still amounts to a lot. :-/
 
@sbi They do exist, but I'm not one of them. I don't actually watch TV except with the kids unless I'm watching sports usually. The kids watch (mostly educational) stuff on netflix or public TV. My wife goes to sleep with a movie every night.
 
9:09 AM
morning
 
sbi
@keithlayne She does? How come you have kids, then?
 
Tony entered the room, and BAM! Topic changes.
 
sbi
:D
 
I spend as much time as I can trying to relearn how to program.
 
I have a bit of inline assembler (x86) and I need to print to my console what the value of EAX is. Anybody any ideas?
 
sbi
9:10 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes BAM what?
 
@sbi I can't afford the paternity test...there are a lot of movies on netflix.
 
what did I do now?
 
sbi
@keithlayne LOL!
 
is there any really good reason to inline assembler anymore?
 
@sbi You hinted at sex. Don't try to hide that.
 
9:11 AM
the last time I looked at any assembly it was for the MIPS and @RMartinhoFernandes wasn't born yet.
 
@TonyTheLion move it to a variable?
@keithlayne You were 9?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I was precocious
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh that! Really, when you wrote that, I was looking at the messages posted searching for a sign of sex, and I missed my own! Hides head in shame.
 
sigh
 
oh sex
 
sbi
9:13 AM
@TonyTheLion Yeah, with your new job you had completely forgotten about sex, right? :)
 
almost
 
Actually I was playing with my Apple IIGS's builtin mini-assembler at that time, but I didn't know what I was doing.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes and then when do I print this variable?
can I call cout in the middle of my inline asm?
 
I guess you can but I'm not sure it's a good idea.
But once you have it in a variable, you can print it outside the asm block.
Is this for debugging?
 
sure, that's what writing to cout compiles to
 
9:15 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes yea
 
registers should be visible in debugger
 
I think VS lets you see registers.
Debug > Windows > Registers
Or something.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Write a C++ function that takes one argument and prints it. Call that from assembler.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes lol...hey, that's what you get for using the word without knowing what it is :)
 
@sbi hmmmm that seems to work
 
9:27 AM
Meh, an hour without power to the router, now an hour without power to the laptop.
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Q: Thoughts on a different way to running a win32 event loop without WndProc?

acpluspluscoderWhilst messing around with multithreading, callbacks, win32 api functions, and other troublesome troubles, I received an idea event. (hehehe) What if, instead of defining a global (or static when designing a class) callback function, I instead assigned DefWindowProc for lpfnWndProc when register...

 
@sbi forgive me for the next question...
is there a haskell is_sorted equivalent? I wrote my own, which is good practice, but I figured it was there somewhere
 
@keithlayne I don't know any, and haskell.org/hoogle/?hoogle=%28Ord+a%29+%3D%3E+[a]+-%3E+Bool doesn't show anything relevant.
 
well then, I present my version to see if it doesn't suck by your standards:
sorted :: (Ord a) => [a] -> (a -> a -> Bool) -> Bool
sorted (x:[]) _ = True
sorted (x1:x2:xs) cmp
| x1 `cmp` x2 = sorted (x2:xs) cmp
| otherwise = False
I guess the Ord may be irrelevant
 
If you pass in a comparison, you don't need Ord.
 
I call it like "sorted ns (<)" and "sorted ns (>)"
 
9:41 AM
Looks good.
 
sweet
a lot faster than comparing to the sorted list and the reversed sorted list
default args would be nice for cmp
 
I don't think there's a sane way to do default args and currying at the same time.
 
What cat said.
 
that's what I was thinking...sorted' ?
 
Standard library uses X and genericX.
No wait, that's something else.
 
9:45 AM
I would probably know that if I would actually learn to read
 
I'd make cmp the first argument, and did sorted = sortedPred (<)
 
Or whatever the default should be.
 
I'll keep that in mind
 
And rename this to sortedPred, obviously.
 
9:45 AM
Like minimum (default ordering) and minimumBy (specified comparison).
 
Or something like that.
 
Gotta go, bye.
 
goBy.
 
currying seems to make you want to reverse arg order relative to C++, gotta get used to that
 
10:19 AM
Good morning guys
 
good morning
 
sbi
2 days ago, by sbi
There's a Haskell room, you know.
 
wow, didn't see that coming
 
sbi
What's the problem with pasting here a link to a question there?
 
The chat doesn't help too much with being in more than one room.
 
10:30 AM
well, if I'd read the newbie hints, I'd probably know how to do that, wouldn't I?
 
sbi
If there's so many users who love Haskell, why aren't you eager to populate that room?
 
If only chat provided a sane way to handle two rooms in one browser tab.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus I consider it insane to follow the many conversations sometimes happening in parallel in only one room. Having more than one room in the same tab defies sanity.
 
@sbi do you do the programming "mentoring" thing at work?
 
sbi
@keithlayne In some companies I worked for I gave C++ seminars. In others I didn't.
Anyway, almost noon here. Time to feed breakfast to the hungry kids. :)
afk
 
10:34 AM
ah, now I wanted to ask him something, and he's gone...boo hoo
 
@sbi Would you say I can go from Accelerated C++
to C++ Templates: The Complete Guide
to Modern C++ Design?
 
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Q: C++ errors with template friend classes and

Will GunnIm creating my own doubly linked list program (I know there is a list library). I have my main.cc with just my main function that provides a menu to choose the various options for my program and call the correct functions/objects. I then have 3 different header files containing class files, 1 i...

 
@ManofOneWay that last one I really want...but sadly it is not in ebook format yet.
I guess I have to ask my wife to get it for me for christmas.
have you read the other two yet?
 
Yeah that's what I'm doing now, trying to come up with a christmas wish-list =)
 
I kinda wonder if you can make saner-looking linked list with boost::optional instead of pointers.
 
10:47 AM
I've bought Accelerated C++ but I haven't had the chance to read it yet, I have too much to do in school right now
 
hopefully you can ask for it from someone who doesn't get their money from you :)
I know you won't believe it, but I'd kill for some school work right now...anything to keep my brain (somewhat) engaged
 
Ah, screw that.
 
Fortunately no one is getting my money ;)
@keithlayne What are you doing instead then?
Working at some boring company?
 
I'm actually officially unemployed
 
ah that sucks
 
10:50 AM
I just got out of the Army, but I got two months of leave at the end, so I've been doing whatever I want...except that I have a wife and kids to keep me busy
 
@CatPlusPlus Have you read all three books?
1.Accelerated C++
2. C++ Templates: The Complete Guide
3. Modern C++ Design
I see =)
 
I've never read any of those.
 
The army hasn't seemed to figure out that I'm actually done, they owe me a fat paycheck for my severance
So Christmas might not come unless they get it figured out soon
@ManofOneWay it's okay...the unemployment was expected, I'm trying to get back into school in January to finish up.
@ManofOneWay I just read "C++ Template Metaprogramming: Concepts, Tools, and Techniques from Boost and Beyond" which was pretty good, but kinda heavy, I'll have to go back and reread I think
 
Programming books are boring.
 
You definitely need to have patience when you read them. It's very easy to start skipping pages
But I think it has to do with time, I need much free time so that I can read a book without having to think about some stupid school assignment. That makes me stressed.
 

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