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user2985029
12:00 AM
@JerryCoffin i will take this opportunity to state that i am frightened of insects. specially bees and spiders. ants dont bother me though
@Ell except select is usually thought of as a projection (unconditional) and not a filter. Which makes select not the opposite of a reject
@Ell A renderer removes fat by melting it.
user1804599
I like just filter.
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Compose with not if you want the opposite.
@xxx You should definitely be frightened of me. I'm a mean, nasty, despicable person.
user2985029
12:05 AM
@JerryCoffin good for you. however i can deal with people, it's spiders and bees that i cannot handle.
@xxx I, and I forgot to mention: I have no sense of humor at all.
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user2985029
also beatles, caterpilars, maggots
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thought the thing that really gets me is the many legs
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@JerryCoffin i'm not joking
12:06 AM
@xxx I never joke.
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@JerryCoffin that picture you have, it looks like a bee
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it scares me
@xxx It's not a bee.
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@JerryCoffin what is it?
@xxx It's a wasp, which is much nastier than a bee.
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12:08 AM
yes
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i fear wasps also
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jack spinners are particularly frightening
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something about the eyes
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and the tail
@xxx If you look through the Lounge's history, at least three different (real) pictures of me have been posted here.
user2985029
12:12 AM
@JerryCoffin ok. umm... well...
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just saying, i fear insects
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and spiders
@xxx For what it's worth, both @Shog9 (one of the community managers) and @Mysticial have survived real-life encounters with me.
Don't worry, he doesn't sting. At least not when we met.
@Mysticial You're supposed to tell people I'm a mean, nasty person though.
12:21 AM
Oh I am?
@Mysticial Absolutely! I'm old, and therefore obviously unpleasant. You clearly need work on your stereotypes memes.
Oh. Fuck. Jerry, you're mean. :)
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All old men are.
@sbi Fortunately, old Bonobos are much nicer (more humane?)
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@JerryCoffin Than the gorilla I am, you mean? (Mean pun not intentional, but noticed.)
12:26 AM
@sbi How often do I need to point out that I'm a median, not a mean?
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@JerryCoffin You're averagely mean.
@JerryCoffin it's slow-working :)
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:)
@sbi Or maybe meanly average. Hard to be sure.
@sehe I'm slow, so what did you expect?
As they say in Dutch: "Hoe later op de avond, hoe schoner het volk!"
But I'm going to leave you :| Serious sleep needs
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12:29 AM
Oh look who came back to the chat.
Yeah. I notussed too. I'm pretty sure he has me plonked, since he doesn't respond to my messages (Neither has he ever responded to my messages back when it all went down).
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@Xeo You have a personal chef??
Oh, BTW, @melak47, you didn't make it onto that list. Sorry.
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@sbi oh whatever!
"boss" sounds weird.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Damn, that's a very bad date for me. What time? Where?
@sehe I do remember using Pine. That was long before the Eternal September.
12:45 AM
@sbi Otherland bookshop (near U Gneisenaustraße) at... 8, I think.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes An appropriate name for a Fantasy bookshop.
Unfortunately I'll have the wee ones to watch over. And there is a pub meet of the parents of the class of my eldest son.
Also, I have a household to move next week.
Correction, 7.30.
Are you moving back to your old place?
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I'll be there. If you want any books signed I can bring them and... no, I can't.
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No, I don't think I share that fetish.
12:48 AM
He also mentioned some pub meeting at some point but no dates nor places.
@sbi of course you don't share that fetish. Who would want books that have been written on?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, I don't think writing into books is bad. I have a lab book at work that I regularly write to. It's just that I do not value autographs all that much.
Frowns.
Who is this guy?
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That's a strange name.
@sbi Porn in the lounge is getting more explicit.
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@JerryCoffin I was referring to "Dunno"!
12:58 AM
@sbi Oh--I was referring to xxx.
I'm a bit slow sometimes. Actually, that's mostly a lie. I'm very slow all the time.
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@JerryCoffin Why do Merkins always see sex in everything? Isn't xxx just extra-extra-extra large shirts? :)
The fat merkin stereotype? That's a low blow.
@sbi So many Americans are overweight that what should be XXXL is now sold as "medium".
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Actually I wasn't blowing at that.
Speaking of which, my SO swag has not arrived yet.
I might have to do laundry.
Not related.
1:01 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Neither has my copy of WoD, I'm afraid the package got lost T_T
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, you fell for that and gave the Nigerians your address?
user2985029
sunt bine da
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't even get the memo. Or I deleted it with all the other spam arriving at that account.
user2985029
@sehe Experiment with "deconstruct" and "track" Seems to be the most automagical way to automate the connection management. Looks like it can be useful. It does look weird though.
1:06 AM
Oh shit. Due to an unfortunate confluence of contrafibularities that are too complex to explain, I ended up on Courage Directors for a couple hours. My diet may have gone sideways.
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vocea ta
Fuck off.
Go spam your nonsense elsewhere.
@MartinJames What the hell is "Courage Directors"?
@JerryCoffin whipmasters
1:08 AM
@StackedCrooked Hmm...I guess that's helpful.
user2985029
spune-mi ce vrei
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Can someone kick that babbling baby?
Oh, forget it. I gonna go to bed anyway.
Night!
@sbi Done already.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Uh. Thanks, I guess!
I still have to go to bed. One of my kids does a Lego robotics workshop on all November Saturdays, so I will have to leave the house at 9am tomorrow morning. That will be hard.
1:10 AM
@xxx What about: "Just go the fuck away."
@sbi G'night.
@sbi Me too.
I promised my friends I would sleep
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. Your tummy, huh? How's that?
I'm taking some pills that reduce my stomach acid production.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, but did they believe you? If they didn't, the promise doesn't matter. If they did, they're gullible idiots, so they'll believe whatever you tell them, regardless of whether you did or not.
1:12 AM
It's working but I'm not sure if I'm ok.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. So they find a knob to turn, did they?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, the question remains, why?
Anyway, I do need to go to bed.
CARRIER LOST...
@sbi Later.
@sbi Wanna grab a beer one of these days?
@sbi Schlaf gut.
I made a starboard pyramid.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes that looks like an invite
If you keep posting nonsense I'll kick you a third time. It lasts 30 minutes and flags the mods to investigate.
user2985029
1:17 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes good for you
That wasn't very flag-worthy.
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Huh. I don't remember having anyone plonked
@Ell You don't (but everybody else has you plonked).
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Maybe he already kicked the guy and removed his spam
template<typename F, DisableIf<IsRelated<Function, F>>...>
Function(F&& f) {}
// ^ the way of the robot0
I'm still internalizing this..
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1:26 AM
I wish robot would put it in a library so I don't feel bad
I don't think this approach has been taught by anybody else.
Everyone keeps talking about tag dispatching.
Courage is a former English brewery, and current beer brand owned by Wells & Young's. It was founded by John Courage in London in 1787. The best known beers are Courage Best (4%) and Directors (4.8% ABV). Throughout much of its history, the company brewed Courage Imperial Russian Stout (10%), a beer with roots in the eighteenth century. == History == Courage & Co Ltd was started by John Courage at the Anchor Brewhouse in Horsleydown, Bermondsey in 1787. He was a Scottish shipping agent of French Huguenot descent. It became Courage & Donaldson in 1797. By 1888, it had been registered simpl...
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Wise edit :P
But tag dispatching doesn't work well in constructors.
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What is tag dispatching?
1:27 AM
Holy shit this thing is difficult.
@Ell It means to replace overloads with a single function template which in turn forwards to implementor functions using additional tag objects for disambiguation..
What does the IsRelated<...> do?
How would two functions be related? By arguments and return type?
@JerryCoffin Nah, I gotta keep that promise.
Good night.
@R.MartinhoFernandes G'night.
1:31 AM
@rightføld Have you tried Idris or ATS?
I do use tag dispatching a lot. But didn't help to fix the "forwarding constructor problem".
I suppose you could use tag dispatching in combination with delegate constructors, but that's kinda clumsy.
> How 18 inmates at California’s notorious San Quentin prison learn to code
Forget making license plates: Select group now taught HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/how-18-inmates-at-californias-notorious-san-quentin-prison-learn-to-code/
now that's all fun for them
but imagine if you were in prison
and were forced to write HTML, CSS and JavaScript
Hmm.
I shouldn't need to make promises to other people in order to care for my health.
Gosh, I'm dumb.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Would you consider decltype sfinae as a separate category (next to tag-dispatching and sfinae)? Or do you group them under SFINAE?
user2985029
is this a chat room? am i ok to talk to here?
1:37 AM
we remember you from the last time bud
user2985029
hey alex, ițm scared
treaba ta I guess
ce vrei?
@xxx ..at your own risk.
He's already kicked.
aw cmon at least let him reply to me
I want to see if he's Romanian or not
1:40 AM
Please don't bring him back.. :)
meh, it's probably for the best anyway
@StackedCrooked Would a necromancer be required?
Probably not.
If so, then I wouldn't hire one :P
> Pope Francis invites Patti Smith to perform at Vatican
That's surprising.
Not that I care.
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1:51 AM
I think a renderer just needs to be passed several lists of things
A list of lights, a list of meshes
Nah it can't be that.
@Ell Why not? No function needs more than one pointer.
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My brain is mush
@Ell Inorite.
I gottta sleep.
@StackedCrooked Sleep? I can sleep when I'm dead!
@Ell And it must also render them.
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2:10 AM
I want the renderer to be independent of the scenes storage method
@MartinJames :)
user2985029
i left my heart in metropolis
2:37 AM
Good night.
damnit, glloadgen hasn't been updated for OpenGL 4.5
that sorta throws a wrench in my plans
concreting is delayed again ...
2:58 AM
Girly and catchy:
is there any use case for passing an object by value, but with const, for example foo(const MyClass)?
not really
wtf: yahoo.com/style/… (slightly NSFW)
I woke up waaaay too early
3:13 AM
but that is valid construct right?
Is this what you're into Mysticial
lol, it's pretty hard not to click on it when it's on the front page of Yahoo.
@Mysticial its pretty easy
when you dont go to yahoo
hell you work for google :P
he likes to live dangerously
now I'm tempted to play Candy Crush at work
3:25 AM
wow is this Mystical who has the highest upvoted answer on SO?
no, this Mysticial is a copy
so a Mystical user was passed by value somewhere? :P
3:42 AM
@Xeo Ain't gonna happen
Someone convince me that static linking is bad
it is?
@Borgleader Not really.
The only pro I can think of for dynamic linking is that it's easy to bug fix the library code
because you just have to replace the .so/.dll
but I think that goes both ways
because someone can replace the .dll on Windows if they want
albeit rare
@Rapptz Harder maintenance, linking restrictions, less code sharing
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3:53 AM
Some Linux distributions outright ban statically linked packages
@Rapptz Consider a bug in e.g. OpenSSL
oh buggy library
(System maintenance)
Also shared libraries can be detoured
Makes workarounds for shitty behaviour easier
4:19 AM
linux mint is actually bretty good
 
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6:10 AM
I bought this factorio.com
2
It's p fun
I thought you bought the website
also, I would never become an elite hacker - too many interesting things in life to distract me ...
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@R.MartinhoFernandes ahhh - "xxx" is the dickhead I was talking about the other day. He had a 2 week ban for this kind of shit. Can't he be given a 4 weeker and soon? or perma-banned?
6:45 AM
@aclarke We can't ban. We can only kick.
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bummer. how did he get the last ban? an SO mod or something?
Only mods can do extended length bans.
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ok
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so be ready to pounce with a flag when he's porning i guess
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what-now?
7:03 AM
maybe we should alert the moderators
I have not seen one for ages ...
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erm, anyone knows if Python has a quickie search function which: 1/ takes a predicate so I can do a complex match 2/ returns the index of the found beasty (or let's me have access to the current index so I can record it) 3/ without rolling my own.
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@chmod711telkitty he seems to visit a bunch of rooms, and he's got a lot of deleted messages now that look like he porned and then deleted them within the time limit. Do SO mods investigate and feel comfortable permabanning that kind of dunce?
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he's on a 2 day ban, and so soon after getting out of the last long one. Clearly not going to change his taste in entertainment
Or just have a mod ban him for a year and be done with it.
I doubt he'd be bored enough to wait it out and come back. If anything he'd create a new account.
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@Mysticial yeah s'pose. IP bans are way too vague. Maybe send a silverback gorilla to visit him
7:10 AM
Alex M. fucked up on chat.SE and got a 400+ day ban that was eventually reversed. And he didn't post porn.
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ooo-err! Alex seems like such a nice fellow. Dare I ask what for?
I'm not sure on the exact details. Just ask him. It had something to do with Lounge-style culture not mixing well with some socially conservative mods.
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oh right. That can be a problem. He got caught out at just the wrong time.
His fault was that he ignored repeated warnings and didn't GTFO of that room.
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I once made a machine's admin password 'scumbag' and us techies went about our business. One weekend the CEO and his PA were in the office, had a problem, called a techie, and the solution moved towards a reboot. When the password had to be given, boy did the shit hit the fan.
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7:15 AM
ahhh
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looks like python doesn't have an inbuilt x = index(list, lamba y: y.cleverness()) What a tragic situation.
@aclarke No, I don't think so. Just do for idx, x in enumerate(xs): if pred(x): return idx
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heh - ta. even the internets doesn't show anything.
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that looks good.
My green bottle production stalled due to iron running out
Crime
user1646075
7:20 AM
green bottle production? You live in a glass foundry?
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looks like you'll never have 99 green bottles to put on the wall ;-(
It's called 'science pack' and it does science
Red bottles also stalled aa fucking iron
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you could blood-let if you need quick access to iron
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a lot of self. needed in Python… On the upside, don't need warts on param names or members since self. is the wart itself.
Explicit is better than implicit
user1646075
7:30 AM
unless it's pron in a chatroom
Now I have a shitload of green bottles but red bottles are going slow
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it would probably piss off a lot of regular pythoners if I used S instead of self. So tempting...
i have a query on multi threading related to JVM process.
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looks serious! What are the domes?
as JVM is implemented in C/C++, can i ask this question here?
Science labs
They consume bottles and advance research
Just like real scientists
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@overexchange probably best to contact Oracle directly, since they own java now. Ask for Larry.
Game missed opportunity to call red science pack 'wine' and green science pack 'absinthe'
But it has modding support
user1646075
7:34 AM
it would never sell in middle america
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Middle america only likes guns.
It's p fun
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bahhh - why did python get schizophrenic with string vs. unicode strings. Such a hassle when reflecting.
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21st century's Rule #1 of language design. All strings are unicode.
user1646075
7:39 AM
if type(x) == str: blah
then it turns out to be a unicode string. Maybe because I'm still using 2.4. I wonder if 3+ has resolved that.
All strings are Unicode
str is a bytestring
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am I being obsolete?
Py3 has str (old unicode) and bytes (old str)
who uses the Boost libraries in most of their C++ projects?
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ok
7:41 AM
Also why are you checking the type, you should decode bytestrings on input boundaries
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@edition I can safely say I've used it in all the major C++ projects I've undertaken in the last 5 years.
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Also, all unicorns are white.
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it's popping out of a dialog, and I forgot that it does come out as a Unicode. My fault, but it's a pest.
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Also I'm being a beginner here. What are baby snakes called?
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snakelets. Boring! I'm a snakelet.
7:47 AM
I am still learning the Qt framework.
is GTK+ still used for major applications?
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woah
this is what a morning is like
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probably in gnome, sure.
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@Ell All sparkly and smelling of fresh dew on the leaves?
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Saturday morning for you? Time for cooking up that full English Breakfast! Quick! To the markets!
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@aclarke miserable :p
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7:50 AM
@Ell awwwwwwwwwww
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hung over? Again?
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@aclarke Nah, just a surprise "Take me to the station!" taxi run for me :P
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must be getting distinctly wintery for you. In other news, we had 40C yesterday.
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Resulting in me getting up at 10 past 7 rather than 7 past 10
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@Ell Need to report a crime?
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7:50 AM
heh
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@aclarke cor blimey, that's too hot for me :P
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and me.
OpenCV looks interesting.
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any my car. I think it was down 10kW yesterday.
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uh oh
user1646075
7:52 AM
that's not teh ch4nz is it?
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it is
they removed /b it seems
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bugger! let me see!
Good riddance
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okay no they didn't
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Thought you must have been banned. That would be an achievement.
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7:52 AM
that was weird o.O I'm in now also
Also dammit printer driver now defaults to Letter because it's in English and there's no way to change the default
Fucking shit
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printers suck
that's my experience
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@CatPlusPlus You mean in US. It is a stoopid stoopit default.
Oh god get the fuck out with this stupid flagging
Seriously?
user1646075
7:54 AM
oh you poor things. Someone's on a rampage? or SJW's?
Also apparently "grayscale" means "print red and blue as green, and green also as green"
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hehh
What is black ink even for
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greenscale
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has one of your inks dried up?
7:56 AM
Maybe probably I hate this printer
Indicator says ~50%
Unsmart people make those things
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@Ell, why did you send me to b?
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now i need to bleach my eyes.
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sorry :P
I want a new computer

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