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1:21 AM
posted on August 20, 2014 by xkcd

Into the Blue If I shot an infinitely strong laser beam into the sky at a random point, how much damage would it do? Garrett D. A lot of the time, if a question includes the word "infinity," the answer is "an infinite amount"—when there's an answer at all. An infinitely strong laser pointer would deliver an infinite amount of energy to the air in its path, which

 
 
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6:46 AM
Morning!
 
Morning!
 
Morning
 
Hi all!
Would using a vps as a vps provider be against any licenses?
It's kind of competing with the service by reselling the service...
Does that even make sense?
 
7:03 AM
@macsj200 that depends on the license under which the service is provided.
for things like this you should consult a lawyer anyways.
 
Do you think a clause like this could exist?
 
Sure.
The Work is property of ...
any use against the terms of this license is punishable by state law. [..]
[...] Free for non-commercial use only [...]
stuff like that.
EULA often include such things.
"no redistribution, reverse- or reengineering, [...]"
But it all depends on what exactly you want to do. Again, consult a lawyer
 
7:59 AM
Hiya @Joiner, Welcome to the Tavern!
 
<bad-name-pun>the @Joiner joined the Tavern</bad-name-pun>
welcome to the Tavern ;)
@Unihedron This question feels so heavily off-topic to me...
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Q: Persisting technology agnostic Java Model: JAXB vs. eCore

WaogProblem Given a technology specific Java Model T, I want to have: a technology agnostic model A to use in my code (i.e. the M in MVC). a persistence mechanism P to store my model A. Approach Currently I have figured out some options: Option 1: Manually create the classes for A Manually c...

I get the feeling I should create a few auto-comments for SO-moderation if I really want to keep doing that..
 
I do have a few autocomments...
xD
 
long time = 2 months now??
wtf...
 
I rofl'd.
 
@Unihedron You are the one joking maybe. This isn't my first account. — Sufi Developer 50 secs ago
@Unihedron mod flag?
 
8:12 AM
Don't know. I don't really care anymore.
Teenager hormones + Having an actual Stack Overflow account -> Delusion.
Just leave him.
(Doubt he's 94 years old anyway...)
 
@Unihedron I just invited him here...
 
Obviously the "someone is wrong on the internet" case.
 
@Unihedron looks quite very much so.
 
I invited him too.
 
aaand he commented again
just leave him be, if he's one of the penetrant ones he'll drop by.
 
8:18 AM
I wouldn't keep it up, easily goes too far and eventually we'll have to call a diamond to clean up.
 
@Vogel612 I'm just saying that in a span time of 3 minutes he got 3 downvotes, potentially 1 downvote per minute. He should at least be given 10-15-20 minutes to be able to correct that, maybe being guided through comments. I have no enough reputation to participate in a SE chat because I didn't participate in that site. You may find me in a SO room instead. — Sufi Developer 2 mins ago
what?
can that guy actually read??
 
Thought there were afflication bonuses.
 
@Vogel612 In fact I have no time to get that affiliate bonus because I'm busy on a project. It happened in the past though.
 
@Vogel612 I'm just saying that in a span time of 3 minutes he got 3 downvotes, potentially 1 downvote per minute. He should at least be given 10-15-20 minutes to be able to correct that, maybe being guided through comments. I have no enough reputation to participate in a SE chat because I didn't participate in that site. You may find me in a SO room instead. — Sufi Developer 5 mins ago
 
@SufiDeveloper isn't that somewhat beside the point??
 
8:21 AM
> I'm just saying that in a span time of 3 minutes he got 3 downvotes, potentially 1 downvote per minute.
 
@Vogel612 What do you mean?
Oh that
Well not particularly. He may have fixed the question in the meantime.
 
Can you explain why you think we should spare mercy for new users when their question doesn't belong to our site, and it's quite obvious that they never took the tour?
 
To make it short, IMO that question deserves a downvote, close as duplicate (for about any regex question) and then be left alone
also ▲▲ what Unihedron said
 
Are there any proofs he didn't follow the tour?
 
I'm not emblading you, just curious, because you're a long-timer, and I don't meet any long-timers who consider my conversations worthy of a listen.
 
8:23 AM
there's the badge..
 
Users who takes the tour has the Informed badge. Moreover, they're also likely to follow the basic guidelines in one of the sections.
 
I'm really tempted to vote-to-close that regex question, but there's so many regex questions flowing in, I can't deal with them all.
 
Additionally I personally find it quite hard to read a regex tutorial in less than 10 minutes.
 
Ah, that one. Well didn't think about looking at that. Obviously I'd revoke my upvote at this point
Why not block someone from posting until he has that informed badge and perhaps also calculating the time he stays on the tour page? Most users, especially new ones aren't going to bother cheating the system.
 
8:26 AM
Because some users, like
Stop being so unfair on the guy, he is obviously new! 3 negative votes in 3 minutes is just really unfair! UpvotedErx_VB.NExT.Coder 28 mins ago
... thinks it's discrimination.
 
I would've said that too before I got engaged in this discussion and pointed out to the obvious fact of the informed tag
 
You know, we should start educating these people who upvote to balance downvotes, much like what @bjb568 did with this:
 
bugs.jquery.com what a load of crap, half of the requests there time out...
 
@Stijn lol, they should totally drop tracking bugs and try jQuery.
 
@Unihedron darn, too slow
 
8:28 AM
instead
 
yeah I should have seen that coming :P
 
Without going to the extremes just point them out to the obvious facts like you did with me
 
I should totally drop that and try jQuery for writing a bot that does it for me
 
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Q: Regex pattern for parsing this test file?

acocalypsoI am working on a console Application that connects to a Telnet Cisco Switch, asks for an IP Address and returns the port on the Cisco Switch. Currently I'm saving the Output of show ip arp 192.168.1.X in a text file like this show ip arp 192.168.1.X Protocol Address Age (min) Hardwa...

 
If they argue against that then it isn't to be listened really.
 
8:29 AM
You have 5 minutes before my edit expires.
Just saying.
 
@Unihedron Done
 
Thanks. You're a good person. God bless you.
Welcome to the Tavern @Eldelshell!
 
No problem, I acknowledged the mistake
:P
 
8:31 AM
Did I miss somethign??
 
Hi !
 
Hiya @KeremZaman
 
8:47 AM
@Vogel612 I have some shiny comments I save in a .txt file
 
Hiya @HamZa!
 
@Unihedron yo
@SufiDeveloper I was like you in the beginning. I thought it was unfair it was only after a long time I've had enough of this crap. It's the same, we're not a help-desk, nor a free coding service. We need to make this clear. If the OP doesn't understand this or doesn't even bother he might get a question ban. Which is good IMO since we might have one user less that posts crappy questions.
Damn, I also wanted to ping @Avinash here but he seems unpingable atm. Stop repfarming ~_~
 
Maybe he'll stop by 20k.
 
It's a pain, at one side we have people that downvote/close bad questions and at the other side we have people that encourage such questions by answering them (sometimes even upvoting them)
Sometimes I really want to downvote such answers too
^ but that's unfair :P
 
@HamZa hi ...
 
8:59 AM
Ohayooo
Did you receive the ping?
 
Try to keep the conversation nice, while I'm mourning the loss of my server.
 
@Unihedron oh minecraft
 
yep.
 
@AvinashRaj nice
 
@HamZa that's weired . If an op didn't tried anything and asked a question here. His question got downvotes.(c# tag only) But incase of other tags like bash or sed or awk, they allow these type of questions.
 
9:05 AM
Oh this is drama.
Warren over at bukkit seems to have forgotten that the project was bought by Mojang over two years ago, and isn't his to discontinue.
 
I don't follow sed/awk/bash since my experience there is close to zero. My point is the following:
1- Some people downvoted and instructed the OP to post a good question with efforts/research etc...
2- Some people upvoted this to reverse the downvote
3- A huge discussion about why this is bad happened
4- A 10K user comes in and answers the question
5- The OP received the answer and then edited the question and removed everything and stated "SO isn't into helping people except a few users"
This means like the people who want to encourage good/quality posts are the bad guys in his eyes. He di
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TLDR: we get into a loop.
That said, I've lost interest in moderating this site. It's almost a useless lost cause. I could spend my time better. For all those who are still motivated and still moderating, I'll say "good job and don't mind me"
 
Hmm.
 
@HamZa that should be written over every wall in SO
 
Fancy a game of chess, @HamZa?
 
@HamZa nice ...
 
9:12 AM
@Unihedron I do play chess sometimes :)
 
@AvinashRaj no, it's too late
 
You can't, it's accepted.
 
i'll loose 25 reps. But it isn't a matter.
not possible to del an accepted answer?
 
Nope. No one, except moderators, can delete stuff accepted.
 
Sam
9:14 AM
Morning all.
 
You can use the Custom flag, but you do get suspended for that.
 
That said, I'm not indoctrinating that you should follow my mindset. I just wanted to get this out somewhere. Maybe some people might have noticed that my participation on SO has lessened a lot
 
@Unihedron OMG, new to me.
yep, i can't.
 
@HamZa Saying that, what do you want to hear now?
 
my next goal is to reach 10K to view deleted posts without repfarming and probably that's it.
@Vogel612 "everyone back to work" :)?
 
9:16 AM
How much left is it to there, @HamZa?
 
@HamZa yea well that's it for me now.
 
@Unihedron about 500
 
Which deleted post you want to see now?
 
That should help you a bit...
 
@Unihedron (facepalm) you really shouldn't have done that. Thanks
 
9:20 AM
I should. You deserve it more. :P
 
@AvinashRaj I don't have one in particular atm. It just seemed handy. It seems there's some hidden gems sometimes :D
@Unihedron that said, I should totally repolish that answer...
 
so now i could ask questions about php to Hamza and java to Uni..
 
HamZa is a PHP jedi.
 
I'm far from an expert though...
I'm trying to focus on C++ lately. I want to get a bit away from webdev :)
 
C++ is fun!
 
9:25 AM
@Unihedron how can you improve your java-fu?
 
I'm not sure. It seems like Java is glued together by insanity, and the only way to understand these Compound.sequences().with("no", "actual", "meaning") is to actually use them and dig around the source code...
 
Gotta java certification but donno nothing deeeply. :(
 
@Unihedron ok that question was a bit too broad. This one might seem as a "recommendation": I want to create a GUI for example, do some mulithread shizzle. What should I look at? Do you have some great tutorials/books/links?
I always get a feeling that the "workflow" / "thinkflow" is different in java
 
For GUI, Java has AWT (Abstract window toolkit) and Swing packages, and for multithreading, you can look into the documentation for Thread and Runnable class.
In Java, almost every feature you'll need comes within a class or package.
It's like C#, except C# is better.
 
haha that's what I hear all the time
 
9:29 AM
If you've had no prior experience with Java, here's some free resources that might give you a broad overview:
 
I guess I just need to write code. Thanks
 
@Unihedron My experience is close to zero: I know the syntax, did some basic stuff: variables, loops, class, methods etc...
 
Most of the times the "learn a new language" workflow for me is like this:
 
@HamZa did you able to understand this stackoverflow.com/questions/25422836/… ?
 
9:32 AM
1. Print "Hello World" into STDOUT.
2. Print "Hello World" into a file.
3. Print "Hello World" into a GUI popup.
4. Read up open-sourced projects of the language and try to understand it.
 
@Unihedron I see, I guess I need to start from 3 then
 
Sam
room topic changed to The SO Tavern (Free Snacks): Here we have our fill of bytes and bits, and then tell of tales of other times we've had our fill of bytes and bits. To register a complaint, press Ctrl + W (or ⌘ + W). [fun] [help-kiosk] [jquery-jokes] [snacks] [xkcd]
 
I need to start from 2
 
By the time you know how to operate with GUIs in a language, it means you're already capable of organizing elements in that language, so just fly out to the realms and try to learn from reading code.
At least, what I believe.
 
@AvinashRaj lolwut
I will try to reread maybe I could decipher the puzzle
 
9:35 AM
@AvinashRaj I think the last \b caused the trouble.
Because a word boundary behind a ; means there has to be a word char.
Maybe he need \B.
Wait no, he should do .*$, with m flag removed.
 
Damn, unclear question
 
@AvinashRaj weeh! another RegEx question... people won't ever learn?
 
So many regex questions.
 
Ah, after the edit maybe he's just looking for (?!;) ...
 
Go ahead answer it, the question isn't a terrible one really.
 
9:38 AM
@Unihedron Using Thread and Runnable is about the same as C#
avoid whereever possible ;)
 
Or at least, reuse.
 
@Eldelshell Regex questions can be fun. I mean there are several levels of pain: the pain of reading the question, the pain of guessing what the OP is saying, the pain of what the OP really wants and the pain of writing a good regex.
 
In java you should use Executor
 
Java does a LOT of work in the background to ensure no thread starvation, though.
 
@Vogel612 Never heard of that. See? At school they teach you crap. Well that is if they teach you...
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9:40 AM
@Unihedron you mean stuff like:
 
oh and the pain of explaining it very well :P
 
 SwingUtilities.invokeLater(() -> {
       @Override
       public void run() {
            // do some cool stuff
       }
}
 
@HamZa well at my school we recently did "PHP"
 
@HamZa Executor is kind of new (1.5) and many schools/books/business still use 1.4
 
9:42 AM
guess what the first thing we did after variables was?
 
Oh?
 
@Eldelshell even though 1.8 is out and 1.9 is specified.
 
@Eldelshell I've often hear from my friends studying university about how school teaches deprecated content.
 
@Vogel612 hahahaha connection to a DB?
 
@HamZa YES with mysql_*
because WHO THE FUCK NEEDS A SECURE APPLICATION??
 
9:43 AM
@Vogel612 ahahahha same here // netherlands
 
I was like: "oy teacher, you know that that's deprecated, unsafe, useless and generally retarded??"
 
@Unihedron I suppose that since you're not there to learn to code, it doesn't really matter what construct you use
 
so I went ahead and did the assignment using PDO instead...
 
XD
 
@Unihedron a lot, I'm in a facepalm mode every now and then
 
9:44 AM
and then "ditched" PHP-classes for the rest.
 
@ha
 
Well I nailed all my school studies, since we're expected to do Pascal and Java, and Pascal is kind of noobish
And I beat all the String arrangement tests with Regex... sacrifice efficiency!! :D
 
@HamZa @Vogel612 it doesn't get any better
 
@Eldelshell you can edit your messages by pressing arrow up in an empty box
 
@Unihedron ahahaha, I did one assignment with regex while it's supposed to be a long assignment :D
 
9:46 AM
@Vogel612 thanks /me n00b
 
@Eldelshell figures, /me no #IRC guy for that.
 
/me old guy :-)
 
@HamZa Yes, I really love it when the teachers gives you a "challenge" worthy of weeks, and you nail it with a regex two-liner
 
@Eldelshell /me not even 20
 
Sam
Quick random question. Has anyone ever experienced not being able to delete any code/text in VS (using the delete key)?
 
9:47 AM
@Vogel612 I'm entering the second year of this course (kinda university) and sometimes I'm wondering whether I should have done this or should just get a job in IT
 
@Sam check your kbd-layout...
 
@HamZa Start an open-sourced project or get a programming part time while you're at it, job experience counts!
 
Windows does funny stuff when you use the key-combinations...
 
2-3 years ago my sister was taking the same .NET classes as I did 4 years before that and they were still teaching data access with DataReader/Set/Adapter instead of just teaching them an ORM like any decent real-world software uses.
 
Sam
@Vogel612 It was working fine yesterday though.
 
9:48 AM
@Unihedron I can't find a part time job that's interesting
 
aww
 
@Stijn yeah, it's the same issue with teaching you to program without an IDE
 
Sam
I can type stuff (a-z 0-9), but nothing else. Enter, delete, copy 'n' paste all don't work.
 
Engineering is magical because it takes what's already there to what isn't there, and programming is magical because it lets you build everything from nothing!
 
@Unihedron they either expect you to work fulltime or that you are free 1-2 days per week (not the weekend). I'm doing a "full-time" course, sometimes I need to go to school for only 2hours, I find it a pain since my school schedule can change. I prefer to work the weekend or night shifts (18-21h or (18-22h) but I can't seem to find one here in amsterdam
 
9:50 AM
I mean, in the RealWorld you'll use an IDE, but you have to learn what's happening below it, the same with ORMs, Web, etc
 
So guess what? I work at a DIY shop... sighs
 
Somewhere, someone amazing is waiting to be known. ;)
 
Sometimes I'm amazed of how many juniors I interview have no idea about simple HTML or coding.
 
@Eldelshell I can agree with that. Perhaps it's just my deep hatred for DataAdapter and its friends.
 
@Stijn I try to stay away from .Net, so I'm not sure why DataAdapter sucks... although, with that name, I can understand :-)
 
9:54 AM
@Eldelshell Not to mention the people on the tech lines have no clue what a computer is...
 
Sam
@Vogel612 Found the problem. ReShaper was somehow screwing up the editor.
 
What's ReShaper?
 
Sam
A VS plug-in. I'll get a link...
Here's more info.
 
Ooo, words.
Hey @ProgramFOX!
 
Sam
It doesn't have an auto regex generator though.
@ProgramFOX Welcome back.
 
10:00 AM
Aww.
 
Hey!
 
hahaha dude. I was doing an internship 2 years ago (or was it 3?). Anyways, for the interview. It started with usual introductions etc... They were amazed that I didn't follow "programming course" at school so they asked me whether what I'm doing there. I told them the story that I'm self taught. So the interviewer wanted to test me:
- Interviewer: you have a website (he started drawing a basic skeleton of it: header, content, footer etc), how are you going to make this?
- I was a bit confused of the meaning, but I guessed that he wanted me to write code to make that skeleton. So I started
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Sam
@HamZa So you're completely self-taught?
 
Good thing I learned programming (and regex) outside school...
 
@HamZa lol
 
10:04 AM
That story is golden...
 
@Sam yes, I even corrected some issues in my teacher book but whatever. I kind of lost faith in school
 
@Unihedron You don't go there to learn to code
 
Thank gods I didn't...
 
TLDR: most students don't know what they are doing...
 
Sam
@HamZa Nice, it's encouraging to hear that as I'm also self-taught.
 
10:05 AM
yeah, well, not everyone that goes into software/IT has the vocation to learn stuff apart of what they're teached
and the opposite is also true
 
I hold knowledge in several fields in programming languages, and I have to say that school is overrated in terms of educating...
 
Another story: A co-student of mine asked me some help. He told me he's in a project and the php code is a mess. So I was browsing it to debug the issue. I was amazed. The code was using bcrypt to generate a token but md5 for hashing passwords.
this gives me 2 hints:
1- the student doesn't know what he's doing
2- copy paste everywhere
 
Sam
Wait, md5?! :O
 
a hash and a crypt look the same! gibberish!
 
@Unihedron I only go to school to get this diploma. It seems with it you can earn more money here even if you know less. Also a fun reading blog.codinghorror.com/why-cant-programmers-program
 
10:10 AM
@HamZa and to meet people. Most of you lifelong friends/business partners will probably be from your college years.
 
I agree. If you have the diploma + can write actual code, you're a wizard to every other "programmer"...
 
Once someone asked me how to center an image in HTML. He didn't yet know about CSS, so I said: "Put it in a p tag with align="center"". How did the resulting code look like?
<p align="center" img src="image.jpg"></p>
facepalm
 
(sigh)
 
@Eldelshell I'm a bit broken. I lived more than 10years in another country. I miss the friends from there :)
 
Stack Overflow has been my hideout from the unprogrammable programmers irl...
 
10:11 AM
but I still have contact with them (fb/skype)
@ProgramFOX such creativity
 
shit, that's not even well formed XML
 
@ProgramFOX I cri evertim
 
at least he closed the p tag :-)
 
hehehe
 
10:30 AM
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A: How to find exact string portion from string using PHP

vks(?=text\/html$)(text\/html) See Demo: http://regex101.com/r/cA4wE0/3 Just add a lookahead and it should work.It will match only when text/html does not have anything in front.

I'm sorry, I think I should go re-learn regex because that answer got accepted.
Hiya @mohacs
 
10:52 AM
@Unihedron hey!
 
Sam
Brb...
 
kk
 
Gtg for lunch, see you!
 
Seeya @ProgramFOX!
 
these "active" flags, how long they remains there? I am aware more people should flag same posts then they appears in related q and if majority agrees they deleted or put on hold etc. but I have some from May... there should be expire day or something else?
 
10:59 AM
Forever.
No one is capable of handling "close or on hold" flags.
Until it gets closed, put on hold, or deleted, it won't be marked helpful.
 
Great!, I have obsession against unfinished things :) Mostly all of them off topic flags. LQ or too broad flags processed quick.
 
@Unihedron that whole thread doesn't make sense. I'm done there
 
11:30 AM
Back.
 
Welcome back!
 
Thanks :)
 
Anonymous
11:44 AM
is this room about programming or not ?
 
No idea.
What room? It's a Tavern. You can hang out, ask questions, get answers, or get none and get bored and leave.
Have you heard? They posted about discontinuing Bukkit and Mojang is taking over again.
 
@Joiner if you're wondering whether you can ask questions not worth of a real post on Stack Overflow, yeah, sure. But an answer is not guaranteed.
sometimes we talk about programming
sometimes we talk about cake
 
Anonymous
chat system is so confused
 
Sometimes, we play games.
 
@Joiner every room has it's own rules. Go to room 10 but don't forget to wear your anti-fire suit
 
11:50 AM
@Joiner chat is a place where people with similar interests can hang out, and sometimes talk about those similar interests. It's the social part of the network (but shh, don't tell anyone, officially the network is QA sites and not a social network).
@HamZa ah yes, that room :)
 
Anonymous
i know what chat is
 
I've never been to room 10. To adventure!
 
Anonymous
but i also think this chat system is confused and not user-friendly
 
Oh THAT room!
A system does not simply
be confused
 
it takes a little while to get used to, yeah
it's like taking your first steps on Meta, a scary and confusing place filled with grumpy people
 
11:52 AM
LOL
 
but after a while you feel like you're at home
 
Correct
 
Check out the help pages, too
 
Anonymous
is this room the one shown in the image chat.stackoverflow.com/faq#about ?
 
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