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12:05 AM
Anyone awake?
 
I'm awake
 
Hi
For an unspecified reason, I just had to learn PHP: classes and exceptions.
However, the more I learn, the more I'm terrified.
None of it makes sense. If you throw an exception, you basically have to do all the scope unwinding manually.
Who thought that was a good idea??
Oh, do we have a PHP room?
 
It's PHP
'nuff said
PHP was never a good idea, that's why it's so popular
 
I thought the language was maturing. 5.3 came out what, last year? Couldn't they have taken some inspiration from ... you know, any other language?
 
probably not
 
12:11 AM
A very curious pattern. What is it about PHP that makes it so popular, while Perl, which arguably is very similar in how it can be used for web apps, draws a completely different audience?
sigh
 
Hi
 
not sure, PHP was written for idiots, so I guess this world is full of them, which explains popularity
 
'sup
@TonyTheLion Which part of the language is it that makes it so attractive to ... those people?
I need to know so I can develop a suitable mental model for future social engagement.
Is the the total liberty to nest arrays to any depth without any regard for semantics?
 
@KerrekSB not sure, don't really want to know either
 
@TonyTheLion Hehe, fair enough :-)
 
12:13 AM
:)
 
(The combined reputation of the PHP room pales compared to any one person's reputation here -- "ask and forget" mentality? :-S)
5
I hope GCC 4.6.2 comes out soon. They're good at supporting the new C++, but at the expense of plenty of bugs.
How does MSVC deal with bugs? Do they just not have any, or are there silent little automatic updates?
 
Hi, I lost.
@KerrekSB Microsoft launches Service Packs sometimes.
Not very regularly though.
VS10 had only one SP, and they only fixed one of the two annoying bugs I had ran into.
Also, I want GCC 4.7.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Do they maintain a list of current bugs?
 
It's somewhere on Connect.
 
Oh, nice.
 
 
2 hours later…
2:09 AM
hello
 
2:51 AM
no matching function for call to ‘std::vector<LifeInsurance>::insert(LifeInsurance&)
why does the function in the vector insert class have an & at the end?
i understand its used for grabbing the memory address if its at the beginning of it
all i want to do is insert an object into a vector and I get this
 
user457812
Pretty sure you don't use insert that way
 
user457812
Well, not by passing what you want inserted alone, anyway.
 
oh
yeah good call
 
The & at the end means it's a reference to a LifeInsurance object.
 
yep
appreciate it
are you pretty good with c++?
 
3:04 AM
our holy robot does know the basics, yes
he he
:-)
 
lol
can i make a derived class use a template if the base class doesn't? i seem to be running into problems
 
the two things are unrelated
 
oop i got it
 
3:26 AM
I hope my ESP circuit has not led me astray...
0
A: create multi-thread

Alf P. SteinbachYou forgot to mention the immediately preceding error message, error C2065: 'T' : undeclared identifier Let me just state that looking at the first error message first, is generally a good idea. Cheers & hth.,

 
okay
so
im using a template in my baseclass now, they worked when i only had them in the subclasses
i did the same thing to the base class that i did to the derived classes, except in the derived classes i now added this
template<class T>
class CarInsurance : public Insurance<T>
{
added the <T> at the end of :public Insurance<T>
but it isn't working, am i missing something?
 
Some crucial things such as name look up change when you templatize.
 
could you explain?
 
Basically, you have to explicitly bring in anything the derived class uses from the base class
 
well, i was using the derived classes to pass the template to the base class, or at least thats what im attempting
 
3:35 AM
e.g. where previously you could say if( member == 2 ) now you have to inform the compiler that there is such a thing as member. E.g. you can have a using Insurance<T>::member, or you can say this->member.
check out the C++ FAQ
I see it's down at question 18 and 19
 
that seems to be talking about nested classes though
 
no
or perhaps it also talks about nested classes, i don't know
 
screw it i'll just use them in my derived classes
 
3:56 AM
Alleged steak of lamb. However i think the above one is overdone, and more than overdone. This steak should be pink in middle, and no gray to be seen anywhere, like
 
lmao i've been eating rice for a week because im a poor college student, thanks for that ;)
 
food porn :-)
 
so i have another question (you can tell me to shut up if im asking too many ;) )
 
user457812
I had frozen vegetables and kraft mac 'n' cheese with fried spam mixed in for dinner >_>
 
if i use a break inside of a switch that is inside of while loop, it wont break out of the loop right?
just the switch case?
 
user457812
4:10 AM
That should be correct, unless I've been confused all these years
 
user457812
Which I have been, but over other things
 
damnit, i can't figure out why my loop is only iterating once
 
user457812
Tried running it through a debugger?
 
user457812
If no, why not?
 
im a noob and dont know how to use the debugger
i guess theres no time like the present eh
 
user457812
4:11 AM
No time like now.
 
4:22 AM
fwshzh
debugger isn't helping, i commented everything out and am stuck with this

inFile>>action;
while(inFile)
{
cout << action << endl;
inFile >> action;
}
there is tons of crap in the input file, why the fuck is it only going through once
im losing my mind
 
@StephenGranet what's the type of action
?
Hm, I'd forgotten how excellent the "Secret Treaties" album was.
01 Career Of Evil.mp3
02 Subhuman.mp3
03 Dominance & Submission.mp3
04 M. E. 262.mp3
05 Cagey Cretins.mp3
06 Harvest Of Eyes.mp3
07 Flaming Telepaths.mp3
08 Astronomy.mp3
 
4:38 AM
okay
so the problem is
that some cities have 2 names (Bay City vs Saginaw)
what a fucking douche bag teacher
how am i supposed to get around that, when one record reads
2 3530 Mark Corcoran 210 River Rd. Bay City MI48609 150000 435.70
0 3416 Linda Schmidt 312 Taylor St. Saginaw MI48607 620000 630.55
and the other reads
any suggestions
 
user457812
I don't quite get it.
 
user457812
Is it tab-separated or something?
 
space separated
from a text file
 
read each line
 
user457812
Ok, so look at how the data is formatted and parse it.
 
4:42 AM
for each line read the sequence of tokens
 
so i have to store
 
look at each token and its position to determine what it is
 
every states 2 letter abbreviation
 
4:43 AM
@johannes can u help stephen tahnks?
 
i have done psycho warfare on poor students by posting pics of steak of lamb
 
user457812
Thankfully, I'm immune to lamb
 
any meat sounds good if you've been eating rice and ramen for a week
 
user457812
4:44 AM
I have a psychological barrier that prevents me from eating it.
 
user457812
@StephenGranet You should get a costco membership and go buy an enormous bag of frozen veggies (if you're in the US)
 
user457812
Your body will thank you later
 
eh
i'd rather buy beer
2
 
user457812
I don't drink.. maybe that's why I'm comparatively better off financially than most students.
 
i get paid by uncle sam, but he doesn't pay until the end of the month, and its the first month of school, so its been a while
 
user457812
4:47 AM
Lucky you, I don't get paid diddlysquat aside from my Android app sales
 
user457812
Which have only been declining, so they'll probably hit zero soon enough
 
haha
im going to go have a stroke, enjoy the rest of your night
 
user457812
I will resist the urge to make the joke
 
7:20 AM
I wonder, what kind of person is it who can digitize music at 128 kbps? Evil folks. Everywhere!
 
7:34 AM
@AlfPSteinbach sometimes they used VBR and 128 is just the read on the relatively low needed bit rate at the beginning of the song
And hey, if it's Suzanne Vega, you can probably encode at 1kbps. I think they built it in. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
And of course, JPEG was optimized to transmit naked women in the fewest bytes possible as well: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna
 
sbi
10 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Guess I missed some more politics.
@RMartinhoFernandes I had a little fallout with some newbie who started to flag for nothing again. While he obviously enjoyed a pic @Tony posted, he inexplicably also flagged it.
I had had enough of the recent flagging frenzies here, and of the ensuing endless discussions about them, so I flagged him in turn, to get him off the room for a while, leaving him time to think, explaining what I think of this childish behavior in rather direct terms. He flagged two messages of mine for that.
One (where I said I flagged him) was shot down after a while, the other (the one where I explained what I think of this) still hanging over me with ten Yay! and (apparently) at least five Nay! votes.
JFTR:
12 hours ago, by sbi
@LucDanton Frankly, I don't care about those pix @Tony keeps posting either. I never found those powdered pinup girls attractive, they are in an age range I am not interested in anymore, and the last thing I come here for is such pix. (I mean, with a net full of free hardporn, why would anyone come here for arousing pix??)
12 hours ago, by sbi
But it is as you say, this flagging nonsense has seriously gotten out of hand and got us all up and in arms. A room owner shouldn't participate in such nonsense. If anyone objects to anything posted here, they can just speak up and say so. Flagging instead is cowardice.
Oh yeah, and I kicked him off the room's owner list. IMNSHO, anyone who isn't mature enough to speak up openly if he objects to a message posted, and rather flags it, should not be a room owner. (And someone who isn't here often enough to not to know how much out of hand flagging got here, recently, shouldn't be either.)
 
7:55 AM
Quick poll: does anyone actually care what people on the Internet think?
 
Some seem to
 
I remember back when I read YouTube comments. Oh, those days.
 
@HostileFork I'm just filling up again music I lost (except burned CDs) in the Big Crash. And as an example, Foo Fighters' 1997 album "The Colour and the Shape", someone had it at 128 kpbs, which I downloaded by mistake. Happily it was a double mistake because I already had it at 192 kbps, which is perhaps not quite High Fidelity and perhaps not enough for Suzanne, but good enough for easy listening while working.
 
The right response to nonsense is to shrug, have another drink, joke w/your friends, and then launch targeted nuclear weapons from satellites at the morons who annoy you. How hard is that?
@AlfPSteinbach well I have been the unfortunate victim of a couple of "music collection merging hard drive parties" which have landed me with issues like ten different copies of "Karma Chameleon by Culture Club"...that has stuck me with issues like whether I even like that song, but assuming I do then which copy to keep.
And the thing is back when rippers were worse a 192kbps display rate may be not as good as a more advanced VBR 128kbps "display" that actually fluctuates the rate to fit complexity in the music. So I listen to the music, and the normalization, and ruminate on what the heck it is before deleting a file based on bit rate alone.
But really, our Borg collective mind needs to get with the program and the cloud and curate all this nonsense. Assimilate, or seek/locate/exterminate.
 
this is jet contrail
no need to worry
 
8:05 AM
What, me worry?
Monthly Austin C++ meetup tomorrow night.
Most people seem to want to drink and talk about non-programming related work issues.
I, on the other hand, want to spend the whole time talking about programming.
Who else can I talk about things like this with? hostilefork.com/hoist
Nobody, that's who!
 
8:22 AM
Awesome Gtk Logo created by a friend of mine.
 
@IntermediateHacker Nice...except for...GTK is terrible.
 
Look at the sleek rendering and reflections...
@HostileFork Its not that bad. It is easier to port than most toolkits.
 
Ah, if I could only take wxWidgets and GTK and erase them from history.
 
@HostileFork I agree about wxWidgets though...
 
No, they're not the worst things ever
 
8:24 AM
may i know what is going on here?
 
And created out of principle, good principle actually.
At the time, the licensing on Qt was not good.
 
sbi
@HostileFork In a certain way, yes, people care about what other people think on the net. Look at Jeff, for example. I bet he couldn't care less about what happens to our immortal souls if we say "fuck" here, but he cares enough about his own to try to prevent others from doing so on his website.
 
@govind23 unlike other chat systems, the whole of history is available...and as has become the fashion, you can look back over months of transcripts and flag posts as offensive and ban people from speaking for 30 minutes.
@sbi Well I have been telling people for a long term to get on board with the decentralized net. Stop letting amazon or yelp, or even, yes, StackOverflow steal your voice. Don't let some trivial idiotic DNS marketing engine re-create the pathetic material-world land rushes on words. Use P2P tech, build a new frontier where you own your own hands. Who listens? No one.
@IntermediateHacker GTK came from an argument over Qt's licensing. It's sad the eventual outcome didn't just happen in the moment. We wound up with FSF going a lesser technical route due to idealism, when we could have had the best of both worlds if they'd just bowed to the licensing desires of FSF.
 
sbi
@HostileFork No, that's wrong. People do listen. The problem is that saying this is just a platitude. Of course, everyone will nod to that. The trouble is in realizing this idea and making the whole thing really fly. Do you have anything more than those words?
 
@HostileFork I agree. But still lots of great open source programs are made with gtk
like GIMP , Firefox , Banshee , Geany etc.
 
8:34 AM
@sbi I have what anyone has, my hands and time and will. Lately I think the best area for investment is open source education because without it we will continue to spiral into the world caricatured by Idiocracy.
 
and even wxWidgets. the IDE i use is made in wxWidgets (Code::Blocks)
 
lulz, I think I've got good at stirring up this place, although that wasn't the original intention, at all
 
What does Öktöberfest mean?
 
@IntermediateHacker I don't know if you've heard the old tale about stone soup, but programming languages and frameworks are very good examples of that. wxWidgets and GTK are complete enough that they can't necessarily stop one from accomplishing one's goals...but they aren't the enablers. hostilefork.com/2005/07/04/freedom-to-and-freedom-from
 
sbi
@HostileFork For such a community you need more than two hands and a bit of time. That's the point. This thing here runs smoothly, and it has attracted a lot of users. That takes technology as well as social skills to pull off. FWIW, you might want to read this comment by Roger.
@IntermediateHacker It's an autumn beer drinking festivity in Munich which apparently Americans have come to believe is a German thing. I have seen more Oktoberfests in the US than in Germany, though. (That is, I know of one such thing in Germany, and have heard about many of them in The US.)
 
8:40 AM
Hey can anyone think up a good caption for this? room
 
@sbi: Well, I show people StackExchange sites all the time... it's a bit like back when Wikipedia was starting and I wanted people to understand the model. It's the best example I have right now of well-gamed crowdsourcing with a little bit of MMO logic thrown in.
 
Does stackexchange make money from ads?
 
However, Jeff/Joel/me/you whoever are--at the end of the day--techies with some personality issues, and we need something that's more failsafe and has less to do with ego.
Sure we're better than ICANN but how high a bar is that anyway
Yes, I know
 
any good caption suggestions? my mind is blank.
 
8:43 AM
Holla if you ya hear me
 
sbi
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Any good caption suggestions? My mind is blank. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
@MrAnubis I can't hear you, but I can see what you typed.
 
@sbi Lol. Nice, but I wanted the caption for this
 
@IntermediateHacker "We need a logo for the library. Let's see, what are our core competencies?" "Hm. Well, there's fragility..." "Yes, but what about bleakness; think urban sprawl, asphalt..."
 
sbi
@IntermediateHacker What is it? I have gotten an invitation to it, but as you have seen, this room already is a madhouse, and I don't feel at all like I would need another one.
 
@sbi if you can tell me technique how do i forget bad habbit of tracing recursion calls , i will salute you
 
sbi
8:46 AM
@MrAnubis Um, I fail to parse that sentence. Can you elaborate?
 
i am practicing recursion these days , but i am unable to help myself tracing recursion calls
 
@sbi Lol , yeah. I just made it to prove I'm the biggest idiot in the world. (um.... and to advertise cplusminus)
 
@HostileFork he he, hopefully
 
@HostileFork Were those caption suggestions?
 
@sbi To further answer your question of what to do, it involves petitioning against the facade of openness. If StackOverflow does not fully open its history of edits, its network data, and provide downloads and baseline interpreters for it...then any pretense against lock-in is...er, pretense.
 
8:49 AM
@HostileFork Call me stupid but I didn't understand a word.
 
@IntermediateHacker It was a single caption. My focus was on the glasslike rendering as an allusion to fragility, and the setting as being rather bleak. Which reminds me of GTK. Which I dislike. Not as much as I dislike wxWidgets, but I still think if you sat down with Qt for a bit you'd probably agree that it's far better, esp. if you're in a C++ chat room by choice.
 
@sbi i am practicing recursion these days , but i am unable to help myself tracing recursion calls
 
"facde of openness", check if the DB interface has been fixed (i.e. now has current data)?
 
sbi
@MrAnubis What does it mean to "trace recursion calls?" (Didn't I have enough sleep?)
 
@HostileFork Thanks. Changed the caption
 
8:51 AM
@sbi I guess perhaps he means debug?
 
@sbi maybe he is talking about parsers? recursion parsers?
 
@IntermediateHacker We are all learning, all the time. Stupid is about not being able to learn, has nothing to do with what one knows in the moment. If it did we'd be terminally judged stupid for drooling as babies. The only horses that are stupid are the ones you lead to water who do not drink.
 
@sbi tracing frame stack of functions or activation record ? (i.e unable to trust recursion )
 
@HostileFork Er... Does that mean I am not stupid? Thanks!
what is this language?
 (defun hello
 (print
 (cons 'Hello (list 'World))))
 
@IntermediateHacker I didn't say that. If you study the code for a significant time and still think there's any merit in GTK over Qt as a technical foundation, you might be. :) But it's basically a historical accident, and somewhat the fault of Stallman that GTK exists at all. I'll give him a pass on that, the man is an...er, icon.
 
sbi
8:55 AM
@HostileFork I'm sorry, but I will have to repeat my accusation of platitudes. Everybody can nod to that, but nobody knows what to do next to improve the situation. (I'm not trying to be offensive. I just want to leave from this with more than a nod.)
 
who ever teaches me that i will give him £1 trillion
 
@sbi So offensive you are. Silenced for 30 minutes be you should. :P
 
sbi
@MrAnubis I might be dense, but I still don't know what you are talking about.
@HostileFork Well, you know what to do.
 
@HostileFork ok. i give up. the only reason i like gtk is that it is language independant and i may be able to successfully port it to my language
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion That would raise the same question. How is debugging recursive functions different from non-recursive ones?
 
8:56 AM
@IntermediateHacker Well don't give up, it's good to learn, Chrome chose GTK after all...
 
@HostileFork i already know GTK...
 
@IntermediateHacker I'm just a grumpy old get-off-my-lawn sorta guy.
 
sbi
@IntermediateHacker Maybe. If so, however, I can't see it.
 
@sbi donno
 
My hedgehog is having a fit.
 
8:59 AM
what hedgehog?
Sample Stupid Question: Why do array indexes (in most langs) start from 0?
Stupid Answer: Because Programmers Hate Romans.
 
Oh, I got a hedgehog. He's actually really cool. I thought he'd be a good companion while programming, and he...sort of is.
I think the average person would do better with a cat or dog, though.
 
i once had a cat
 
Hedgehogs are nocturnal, and he really gets going this time of night.
Crazy freak out mode. He's cool with me now, I can handle him without gloves, he'll nuzzle.
But I have to take him out of the cage or he just throws everything around.
 
My (late) cat
 
9:07 AM
@sbi Good to see you found out where I got the design goals. :D
 
This program works fine:
#include <stdio.h>

template< int m, int n >
struct Foo
{
    enum{ value = Foo< m - 1, Foo< m, n - 1 >::value >::value };
};

template< int n >
struct Foo< 0, n >
{
    enum{ value = n + 1 };
};

template< int m >
struct Foo< m, 0 >
{
    enum{ value = Foo< m - 1, 1 >::value };
};

template<>
struct Foo< 0, 0 >
{
    enum{ value = 1 };
};

template< int x >
struct Bar
{
    enum{ value = Foo< x, x >::value };
};

int main()
{
    printf( "%d\n", Bar< 3 >::value );
}
I outputs 61.
However, when I change the number 3 in the call in main, to 4, it does not compile!
 
@AlfPSteinbach Incredible...
 
Is that that insane recursion function?
 
I never thought u could use enums this way?
 
@sbi It's fair to say that a platitude and $4 will get you a latte at starbucks. I'm not knocking SO or Wikipedia too hard, because they represent (in this place) new ways of doing business. Yet it's nice when the dialogue about things is tuned away from "we invented sliced bread and deserve to make billions" and more toward "here's how we see the future where everyone is empowered"...
 
sbi
9:14 AM
@IntermediateHacker It's called template meta-programming and is known since about the mid-90ies. (Nowadays you could use a static integral const for this, rather than enum, but old habits die hard.)
 
user50049
Sorry I'm a bit late to the party (RE flags), they don't show up on our normal dashboard on SO, I have to be logged into chat to see them
 
flag wars are over, for now
 
@AlfPSteinbach As I thought, the Ackermann function. I'm on to you!
 
sbi
@TimPost What's an "RE flag"?
 
until I post another pic
:P
 
user50049
9:16 AM
Regarding, sorry
 
user50049
I logged into chat and the flag count was so high I could not find a way to get to the top of it
 
sbi
@TimPost Ah, sorry, for being dense.
 
@TimPost woah, but surely it wasn't just this room?
 
sbi
2 hours ago, by sbi
I had had enough of the recent flagging frenzies here, and of the ensuing endless discussions about them, so I flagged him in turn, to get him off the room for a while, leaving him time to think, explaining what I think of this childish behavior in rather direct terms. He flagged two messages of mine for that.
 
I mean I know we had flag wars, but currently we're having "the calm after the storm"
 
9:19 AM
I think Johannes was just bored. Childish yes. But happens to everyone when not drunk sufficient coffee.
 
@sbi I don't understand why he reacted the way he did to the post of my pic, he's never done that before
@AlfPSteinbach lol, I guess
 
sbi
@Tim We are all annoyed here about the abuse of the flagging system.
@Tim: Did you delete chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/10?m=1494032#1494032? Because it seems to be gone. And why am I still here then, and not banned?
 
user50049
Nonsensical flags will ensure that you are banned from chat for a protracted amount of time. They are disruptive to everyone in the room, and they needlessly eat moderator time.
13
 
user50049
Feel free to star that
 
Done :)
 
sbi
9:22 AM
Sep 12 at 21:05, by sbi
This shall be my policy henceforth: If I see a message flagged for stupid reasons, I'm going to ask a mod to step in and block the idiot who did it to prevent him from wasting out attention. So you might want to explain yourself when you flag something.
That still doesn't explain why my message disappeared without me being banned, @Tim.
 
user50049
I'm going to try to coincide with balpha today and ask him how much work it would be to make some modifications to how flags are displayed to moderators here.
 
it may be that even just a tiny small change (more info) will help enormously
 
sbi
@TimPost Thanks. That is the best I have heard about the flagging issue in a very long time. I hope something comes out of that.
(I'd still like to know how my message disappeared without me being banned, though, @Tim. :))
 
so my pic get's flagged, and @sbi's message disappears... interesting
 
user50049
I'm just going to leave myself parked in here, if ya'll don't mind some driftwood. That was a regal mess to clean up.
 
9:27 AM
lol
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Oh no, is it now flagged again? (I had already voted the flag invalid yesterday, which is probably why I'm not seeing the new flag.)
 
@sbi no it's not flagged again, I'm just saying it did get flagged
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Ah. Oh. Did I mention I seem to be slow today? :-x
 
@TimPost note that every 4 months or so I post the full version of Lenna here, just because
:) true!
 
@sbi well, yea you did :P
 
sbi
9:29 AM
@AlfPSteinbach You can skip this turn, because it seems someone else just did so for you last night. :)
 
I have an interview today, and I have an anxiety stomach, meh
@AlfPSteinbach lol
 
sbi
@TimPost I guess that's fine with, but if you would be so kind and explain to me how my message might have disappeared without me getting banned...?
 
user50049
I dismissed a lot of flags. Yet, I'm not quite sure why precisely that happened (or rather, didn't happen)
 
sbi
Good luck, @Tony! And always remember: They're interviewing you, but you are also interviewing them. It might turn out they'd like to have you, but you don't want them. So they should be anxious as well.
 
@sbi oh, yea thanks for the advice
 
sbi
9:33 AM
@TimPost Ah, Ok. Well, I'm fine with that, too. (It's not like I'd be proud of that message, anyway.) I just wanted to know whether I should expect a ban coming down on me anytime now.
 
user50049
@sbi I don't think so. I wish a random youtube video came up in chat every time 3 flags are entered within 5 minutes. That would be like flypaper for trolls.
 
sbi
@TimPost Uh oh. That might backfire badly. Random youtube videos have a lot of potential to be flagged by the mullahs^W pure of spirit here. :)
 
user50049
The flag count on SO went from 2 to 54 in the time it took me to clean out the queue in chat. That's what I mean about disruptive. Hopefully I catch whoever it is in the act of doing it, and that'll be the end of the nonsense.
 
sbi
@TimPost Wait. Don't you see who flags something?
 
user50049
Not unless it's a flag for moderator attention
 
user50049
9:48 AM
I see the 'community' flags the same way you see them
 
sbi
@TimPost Ah, I see. I would have thought that you know who flagged a posting. Well, then me calling for a mod to stop the idiot who flags needlessly doesn't make much sense, I guess.
@TimPost Oh wait, you are talking about the flags on SO proper, right? Is there a difference to the chat?
Do you see who flags on the chat?
 
user50049
I'm talking about chat
 
sbi
@TimPost Ah, Ok.
 
user50049
I don't see who flagged unless that flag something for moderator attention
 
user50049
on SO we see everything
 
sbi
9:50 AM
@TimPost So that might be where my misconception comes from.
 
I think I must create a database of low-bitrate file sharers and flag them.
Eric Clapton 1980 - Just One Night [@128 kbps]
Eric Clapton 1985 - Behind The Sun [@128 kbps]
Eric Clapton 1989 - Journey Man [@160 kbps]
Eric Clapton 1998 - Crossroads [@128 kbps]
Grr.
OK, it may be I deserved it, because I don't even have those albums on vinyl. But still.
 
what does this question means -> When I experience confusion, I go with my "gut" instinct?
this part -> I go with my "gut" instinct.
 
user50049
That's a statement with a question mark.
 
user50049
Oh, "feelings"
 
user50049
"Gut" in this case could be synonymous with "Primal"
 
9:55 AM
statement is without question mark
i putted it there
and what does primal means in this case? (sorry i am little bit weak in english)
 
user50049
Ahh
 
user50049
Another way to say it is, "I rely on my wisdom, my common sense"
 
aah
Thanks
 
sbi
@MrAnubis What's your native language?
 
Hindi
Nepali
:)
 
9:58 AM
@MrAnubis It's American. I think it has to do with fear sometimes manifesting as a physical feeling in the stomach, sometimes without evident cause. To go with that feeling means to be sensible about it and treat it as a real indicator of something. And then that's generalized to use intuition in general. E.g. because of lack of facts, or because of intractable complexity.
 
sbi
@MrAnubis I see. Aren't there any Hindi<->English dictionaries online? I usually rely on dict.leo.org when I don't know a word.
 
@sbi i use them often but its translation sometimes
@AlfPSteinbach Can you please tell whole sentence in simple words?
 
It's like "when I'm confused, I just do what my feelings tell me"
 
aah , thanks
 
It is a rational way to cope. When one's logic fails, don't rely on it. Go with the feelings.
And it's also a scientific fact that one can have a correct conclusion about something complex, without being able to explain it. For example a neural net can be trained to recognize a certain pattern or group of patterns, and there's not really any explanation of how it does it -- it's just pretty arbitrary weights in there. So trusting what one feels can be a good idea.
 
user50049
10:04 AM
@AlfPSteinbach Nice example, I was just trying to think of a way to articulate that also
 
and what does -> method of free exploration -> means ?
 
10:32 AM
@AlfPSteinbach does c++ standard specify a limit on the depth of template recursion allowed ?
 
user50049
I just did a branch merge on lingering heads in a 4 year old repo that hasn't been touched in 2 using Mercurial. What could possibly go wrong?
 
sbi
@vivek ISTR that the C++98 standard once recommended a template instantiation depth of at least 17. t the beginning of the last decade, however, popular compilers could already cope with an instantiation depth of dozens, if not hundreds.
 
yo fellas
 
sbi
@Tim: The currently flagged posting is a very good example of how bad the system is. Given just the posting itself, as shown inline, I have no idea at all why it was flagged. It seems genuine. But maybe it's in the R room, and they are pissed that the guy posted an HTML question? Or he has posted it for the umpteenth time?
I would have to go and dig into the original context to find out. Why would I ever want to do this? I'm here for chatting, not for janitorial work.
If you want to tap my human abilities to decide whether to delete stuff, make it easy for me to decide for you.
 
Man, is there anytime I log on here there is no talk of flagging
 
user50049
10:47 AM
Agreed. Flogging is much more fun to discuss.
 
sbi
@LewsTherin We rarely ever speak of flagging. Generally it's only discussed when you are around.
 
lol I see
Uh, so who are we not flagging?
 
user50049
It's like .. whack a mole .. but less fun.
 
What if you were to take the place of the mole? Might be more fun
 

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