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18:56
such a clean looking room
Benji said he wont be able to make it
oh, okay
is there anything interesting on today's agenda?
Seems like kicks are a big topic
That and room owners
18:57
yeah that seems to be what really prompted having a meeting
was hoping @jhawins was going to be able to make it
but doesn't sound like he will be here either
With this turnover it doesn't seem like it's going to happen
yea thats what I'm thinking...
I vote for no kicking
almost seems like meetings would be better off held during the week
unless really bad spam
18:59
since everyone is around
Hello, where do I get my cookies?
The post's been up for about a week, so I assumed people either silently complained or didn't bother asking to change the time
yeah it was really spur of the moment
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shit was happening, and a meeting was just scheduled. But I didn't see anyone complain either about the time so idk
19:01
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Well, if it's not going to happen...can I at least get a recap of the drama? What went down that stirred Sterling up?
@Zirak nothing, Sterling's concerns were unrelated to what actually stirred things up
Which was?
I only was there for the last half of the drama @rlemon was there for its entirety though
Can I at least get linkies?
19:02
all I know is @jhawins was kicked 3 times by an owner
/me looks for link
@Zirak kendall and jhawins were discussing something, kendall said something borderline abusive, jhawins kicked him, and removed himself from RO status. then drama which I am sure you can imagine
Which is ironic because Kendall gave him RO status
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RO statuses is a tree right? who's the root in JS? I mean you can remove RO status only to the children, nvm ignore me if it's wrong
sigh
19:04
If this room was actually private, I and some others could have actually poured in opinions. I don't think any of us would like to speak exactly freely in here.
@Zirak there wer eno hard feelings between them
@AwalGarg I want to hear it if you don't mind, miaou?
eh I feel like you will only get one side that way
my biggest issue is somekittens (or some room owner) kicked jhawins 3 times after the fact
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hehe thanks
19:06
so I kicked somekittens.
I'm aware of that. Better than nothing.
he hasn't been back since that I've seen
@Zirak what ^ loktar said. But if it has to be an open private room for all other room owners, then sure, miaou
@Loktar he has
...oh
then Madara cleared all kicks/issues
but we kept saying to stop kicking jhawins
even rlemon
he wasn't doing anything at that point
19:06
Also, it is unfair to assume kittens did it. That's my opinion.
that's when things really were triggered and we needed a mod.
@AwalGarg looking at the discussion it is totally fair to assume it.
and he never denied it.
only Madara knows though who did.
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I don't think it's bad to kick, when deserved :)
I think I did that right so you can request access, @Loktar and @AwalGarg.
19:11
11 mins ago, by Loktar
almost seems like meetings would be better off held during the week
o/ @BenjaminGruenbaum no one really showed
Thursday would be probably better day, @Loktar
I'm up for anyday sounds good to me
but I'm on vacation :p so anyday for the next 2 weeks is open
well, monday is off the table, because that's reserved for mourning
and on fridays most people are at various stages of inebriation
lol yeah good point
19:17
Sorry I'm late; was seeing Star Wars again
Apologize for being late. I'm here.
hey hey, we are in dystroy.org/miaou/1232
more of an unofficial meeting due to the low turnout
so, who has be naughty with kicking people?
I really hope its Florian
We'll never know, apparently
19:35
^
unless they give persmission to let it be known
but... someone who kicks privately probably isn't very brave I would assume.
19:45
ok, so what would you consider good reasons to kick?
@CSᵠ posting something in chat, that is otherwise considered as "Spam" on main site is one solid reason, among others.
@CSᵠ spoling star wars, for one
@AwalGarg it's really not, there's move message to bin for that
@CSᵠ and a kickmute as well.
@ndugger why? really
19:48
@CSᵠ I'm dead serious.
kickmute? is that a thing? isn't that a ban?
@ndugger you might but it's not a kick thing
@CSᵠ Do you mind if I kickmute you from this room to show you what happens?
please
It is a 1 minute ban, time increases on incremental kicks.
@CSᵠ As you can see, it shows you a screen basically telling you to cool off and when you can come back to the room. It's not permanent, it's not like an IRC ban.
19:49
@Zirak also, this is non-private. I really think we should strongly highlight within the room that a kick is a warning, not ban. Some newbies get very much annoyed by it and start taking revenge.
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kicks are actually useful to stop procrastinating in a chat :)
@Zirak that's actually a kick/ban because i can't see the room
that's even worse
Well, a warning is a warning; a kick is disciplinary.
@AwalGarg Kick-mute is really harsh, it's something above a warning
It's when warnings didn't help
@Zirak I haven't yet kicked anyone so dunno what that actually is, but everyone has already decided that they are warnings :/
19:51
@CSᵠ That's part of the point. If you can't play with the other kids you sit in your penalty box for a bit.
I still vote for no kicking at all unless there's no other option
I had to kick some guy three times that was harassing Meredith; eventually a Mod came and banned him for 3 days
@AwalGarg ...who's everyone?
why discipline, much comunism, such wow
not the user "someguy" -- it was some random guy
19:51
@Zirak room regulars, I think?
and shog
That doesn't seem right
Do you have linkies?
i see harassing, and spamming as good reasons
and spoiling star wars
continuous insulting also, after trying to calm down with actual words
lol @ndugger
spoiling star trek
Well, yes. It's reserved when you need to time-off people.
19:55
If you think about it, a user coming into the room and making everyone really upset would probably be against the rules; therefore making star wars spoilers against the rules is warranted. I stand by it.
We've had a system in place before that, bot mutes. It was the hackiest thing ever, but only affected write status and not read.
chat search sucks, can't find more
too many things for "warning" and I am too lazy to filter
in Fall 2015 Moderator Election Chat, Nov 12 at 17:06, by Madara Uchiha
@bjb568 Oh yeah, definitely. Unless someone is actively being a troll on purpose, kicking right off the bat is a crappy approach
in Fall 2015 Moderator Election Chat, Nov 12 at 17:06, by Madara Uchiha
Because you don't convey any real message. Most people won't read the kick landing page, so it's pointless to count on that.
Verbal warnings seem to be effective, except for the guy I had to kick thrice... not sure what his deal was
giving some sort of power, even this useless RO shit here goes to be a really good judge of character over someone
19:59
Well, if we're done here, I'm gonna hop off
@Zirak I just told you the consensus of some people (I can't find the discussion in JS room, but I am sure the same consensus was there too). So while we have that "policy", we should better educate newbies of what kicks mean according to it, is what I am saying
I think @Loktar is gonna reschedule for a weekday
Sure if you guys want I know @tereško wants thursday but this week that is Christmas eve
so Wednesday?
some people === [that guy forms many major policies, I think?, others]
@Loktar well .. not this week
20:00
eh yeah good point actually
maybe not until after the holidays
the entire months is going to be fucked
January 7th!
same time 1900 gmt
and, FYI, christmas for orthodox christians (think: russia, greece) is on 6th of January
Seeing as how that will be during office hours, i may or may not be present, but that's fine. I don't think I'll have to defend my RO status, but Meredith can testify that I've been helpful.
I was having dinner :/
21:04
Did I miss it :(
We're rescheduling
Loktar is figuring out a new date/time
I'll probably miss that too

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