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7:23 PM
@AaronHall that meta over the edit got sort of out of control. It might have gone over better if you said "if you didn't change the answer but improved it then sure no problem boss" :p
 
:P lol
 
that said, how is everything else going?
 
How's it going? I'm trying to be a good humble mod.
so it's not easy at all.
:)
 
Well hang in there. We are rooting for ya.
Might not seem like it half the time.
 
I can't seem to get on meta's good side.
 
7:32 PM
I think your fortunes there will change with some minor tweaking.
 
like when you get into that "good humble" thing:P
but I really am rooting for you, it's all for the best if you can become A Mod We Need
 
Just so you know, I think lots of humble thoughts, I just generally keep them to myself.
 
@AaronHall I'm fine either way:)
I didn't vote for you and I'm not convinced you're a born moderator, but we're a huge community and mine is not the only opinion, and I do believe most of the modding skills can be learned with practice:)
I believe your difficulties come from communication, which is hard but not impossible to polish with due effort
 
Yeah, I can agree with that.
 
so, best of luck
 
7:40 PM
Any thoughts on the meta question that Drew mentioned?
 
and don't mind my occasional remarks; I'm as cynical as much as Drew is optimistic
@AaronHall I don't know which one that is
 
Half the battle can be achieved by ditching the "I am an elected mod" thing. We know that. But in reading it some take it as the other subset is scum.
 
@Drew my issue with that is that it tries to verify the aptness of one person based on the choices of others, which is stupid
one can only prove their worth with their own actions, and such actions speak for themselves, without having to highlight them
 
@AndrasDeak is English your 2nd language?
 
I think the best course of action is "act in a way that speaks for your virtues; admit and be open if you screw up"
@Drew yes?
 
7:42 PM
Then why you'z speak better en me?
 
:D
lol, thanks:P
 
I think a lot of meta didn't vote for (and in the primaries, voted against) me, and I'm getting blowback from that.
 
@AaronHall that's possible, that that still shouldn't mean anything
you'll get some enhanced scrutiny and snide remarks, but if you consistently prove that you're a good mod, it will stop
 
well that guy that went off about the python and the chat room that was over the top. Just don't do the (A) "I am an elected mod" and (B) "I am right and you are wrong"
 
it's simply that some people might have a negative bias towards you (myself included), and you just have to work that down
it's not hopeless at all, but needs patience from you:)
 
7:49 PM
Here's that meta question Drew mentioned: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/338481/541136 - I worry that this sets a bad precedence, and is going to cause a lot of problems over the long run.
 
thanks, will check it out
@AaronHall how do you tie in with that?
 
I think my taking a position on it worked against the best position.
 
"best position" how?
 
Well, I think it's bad to add code to canonical answers, and I was saying so in an answer just as another mod was saying so. I decided to delete my answer.
 
I remember one time saying a few things to George Stocker (sp?) under a post of his on meta. He was really digging in his heels and I said something like "based on all we are reading I recommend just deleting your post". He did. The whole thing just went away.
 
7:52 PM
after it had probably drug down the other mod's answer.
 
Here is my take on the edit (note: I know less than nothing about JS). Tiny said he did not change the answer (repeatedly). You kept asserting that he did change it. So there was a complete breakdown of 2 people talking together.
 
So I should have pointed out the number of new lines? How the semantics of the code were different?
 
If you wanted to enter the technical aspects of JS and is it a "generality" change, and improvement or not, entirely from a technical perspective that could be one angle. From that angle I believe Tiny kept saying it was a fine edit.
The other side if it, the side that caught you into a snare imo was the tone you presented. I believe rene and others pointed that out (either in that meta or another one recently I forget). That was your Achilles's Heel on the whole thing.
 
8:08 PM
Yeah, I'll be working on that.
OK, back to precedence. If we try to apply this to answers in the future, what's going to happen?
 
It's a concern and for that I understand why you meant to say what you were trying to say.
 
I think the vast majority of edits will be reverted by the named authors, and most editors are going to quickly realize it's a waste of time to make these kinds of changes. Some editors won't, and will annoy enough people to get in trouble.
I don't think it's going to change the equilibrium on the site, I just think it's going to cause problems.
 
user4639281
Before I comment, please note that I do not wish to start a fight, but I have been told that I may come across that way when arguing my points in a discussion at times.
 
user4639281
The main difference here being that I posited an infinitive statement that the edit did not change the meaning of the post, and was within the guidelines set forth by the community for the community in the help center documentation, as well as a blog post by one of the site founders on the topic, using objective reasoning and authoritative references.
 
user4639281
ChrisF posited two non-infinitive statements that the edit may have been inappropriate, and might have been better as a separate answer, both non infinitive statements, which I addressed in my answer with objective reasoning.
 
user4639281
8:15 PM
Aaron posited an infinitive statement that the edit was absolutely inappropriate, using highly subjective reasoning not backed up by any authoritative references.
 
user4639281
One of the core concepts of meta is the requirement to be objective, make objective arguments, and back those arguments up with references to relevant authoritative information.
 
user4639281
I believe the majority of the negative reaction to aaron's post is due to a perceived lack of respect for community process and policy and a possible perceived over-stepping of his bounds.
 
@AaronHall my two cents: the vast majority of answerers don't decide on edits to their post based on meta, but by their own feelings. So nothing will change. But most importantly, mods shouldn't decide this in my opinion; the community has to decide what is deemed appropriate
 
@TinyGiant let's presume, for this discussion, that I concede to you on all points you have made above. That doesn't change the fact that it's going to cause a lot of problems if people try to do what you did going forward.
 
you are one voice in the community in this issue, forming part of the collective opinion
 
user4639281
8:18 PM
@AaronHall That statement is ambiguous and subjective
 
user4639281
What do you mean by "do what you did" and "cause lots of problems"
 
Most of the people doing edits like Tiny's are people that in their head have a really good reason to do it. Right or wrong, within scope or pushing the boundaries maybe. I doubt there is some precedent set here for anything.
 
user4639281
It is up to you to propose objective examples of problems that can be caused by an objective definition of what you perceive that I did incorrectly.
 
minor note, @Aaron: "I will not allow this." should not be part of any of your meta contributions in the following year:P
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Most of the people doing edits otherwise are pretty much people scrounging around to +2 on formatting.
 
8:21 PM
:P
 
those are the kinds of remarks that most see as arrogant, but definitely off-putting
 
user4639281
I wholeheartedly agree with @Andras' last statements
 
You can walk on water after that statement. Doesn't matter. That is all people see and vote accordingly
 
It is my position that edits should change as little as possible while achieving the goal of fixing any problems, as limited to the cand-do's for edits.
 
(I mean, in that meta post at least. It is fleeting, you can fix it moving forward)
 
user4639281
8:23 PM
Ok, you are stating your position, now you need to justify that statement using objective arguments and references to relevant authoritative information.
 
user4639281
That's how this part of the "game" of Stack Overflow works
 
user4639281
@Aaron are you formulating a response, or are you stepping out of the discussion again?
 
user4639281
For reference:
 
user4639281
A relevant chat discussion currently taking place between myself and Aaron as well as other users on this topic starts here. When this discussion has come to a conclusion, I will replace this comment with a link to a bookmark created at that time containing the entire discussion. — Tiny Giant 30 secs ago
 
I don't think you should link meta to this room.
 
user4639281
8:37 PM
It is relevant to the discussion taking place there and I see no objective reason to refrain from doing so
 
Policy won't be decided here. I'm just trying to get a sounding board on my position, and I don't mind you being here to keep us honest, but I'm more interested in Drew's and Andras's opinions.
 
user4639281
I don't appreciate you attempting to exclude me from a discussion in a public chat room provided by Stack Overflow, or downsize my role in that discussion.
 
Maybe that came out wrong Aaron.
 
possibly.
 
user4639281
For reference I have also requested Shog9 to sit in on this discussion in his capacity as the Stack Overflow Community Manager.
 
8:44 PM
@AaronHall yeah that doesn't help at all
I also don't think Shog or anybody authoritative should be involved here, at least this didn't start out as determining official policy (rather just discussing with Aaron how he should improve his communication)
at least as far as I'm concerned
 
user4639281
I invited him to have him here as an objective party
 
sure, but I wasn't aware we need objectiveness to begin with:P
 
user4639281
regardless of the conclusion of this discussion, I would like someone to keep us all honest
 
turning this discussion into A Discussion will probably just escalate any percieved or real difficulties
the moment it becomes formal, we're back on meta (for better or for worse)
 
user4639281
I don't see the difference
 
8:47 PM
Looks who drops in now ...
 
waters rene
 
user4639281
o/ rene
 
Maybe I'm already biased, let me catch up on the transcript
 
@TinyGiant No one wants to go through a bunch of chat logs to figure out what's going on. That's why we have Stack Overflow in the first place.
 
user4639281
@rene good idea
 
user4639281
8:48 PM
@AaronHall I fail to see how the format is relevant
 
user4639281
We are having a discussion
 
user4639281
Is chat not for discussion?
 
The thing is, most of the issues anybody has against Aaron will only be made worse if you make him defend himself. I was planning to have a nice informal chat wherein I can pass on some outside perspective to him, which he can consider.
going into offense will most definitely not improve the situation, regardless if you're right or wrong
 
Yeah, I agree with that
That meta Q is a lost case
 
user4639281
I don't understand the need to limit the discussion here, I'm not attacking anyone, I'm simply trying to partake in a conversation and make sure all parties are held honest by an objective party.
 
user4639281
8:52 PM
Myself included'
 
But that statement already implies that some here are not honest and objective
That could be me though
 
user4639281
honest may not be the correct word, objective is the word I should have used
 
If you ask me, this started out as a purely subjective chat where Drew and Aaron and I exchanged subjective notions about the situation, mostly about Aaron's communication as far as I'm concerned
you (seem to) fail to see the whole crapload of baggage that both you and recently Aaron have been having, in general and with respect to the specific meta post in question
you're bringing all that baggage to the table (again, for better or for worse)
 
Well lay that at my feet. I told Tiny we were having a friendly chat in this room. So he came.
 
I'm not against him being here:)
 
user4639281
8:55 PM
The only baggage that I have with Aaron is in the meta discussion I liked to this chat. Prior to that I had little interaction with Aaron at all, and had not formed much of an opinion on anything regarding him.
 
as he said, chat is public
I only have an issue with turning this informal chat into a male genital measurement contest of sorts (probably not on purpose)
 
@Drew ok, now I don't feel responsible for uh, all this. :)
 
No, I was hoping he would join our Love In
 
@TinyGiant I meant your baggages of your own, both of you
 
@AndrasDeak in inches?
 
8:56 PM
@rene please, metric system
 
user4639281
I'm not trying to make this a contest at all, I'm trying to get Aaron to back up his statements with objective arguments and references, and see the error of his ways.
 
user4639281
Aaron is trying to get me to submit that my edit was bad and that all edits like it are bad, without providing any argument as to why they are bad.
 
@TinyGiant I'm not sure he was doing that here
 
user4639281
39 mins ago, by Aaron Hall
@TinyGiant let's presume, for this discussion, that I concede to you on all points you have made above. That doesn't change the fact that it's going to cause a lot of problems if people try to do what you did going forward.
 
8:58 PM
You're not obliged to submit to anything
 
user4639281
I know I'm not obliged, I was just reiterating my aaron's position as well as my own.
 
@TinyGiant that's not any more confrontative than your previous message to him, wherein you described your own stance
 
Lets at least agree that the community is sepearted on this, given current voting
 
44 mins ago, by Tiny Giant
Aaron posited an infinitive statement that the edit was absolutely inappropriate, using highly subjective reasoning not backed up by any authoritative references.
this happened earlier ^
 
user4639281
I understand that, but I provided objective arguments to back up my statements.
 
user4639281
9:00 PM
which is what I'm trying to get aaron to do with his statements
 
well read the first thing Tiny said. He basically said "I can come across real strong so please forgive"
 
user4639281
And this is all pointless now because Aaron is not even participating in the discussion.
 
@Drew I'm aware
 
Maybe the issue at hand isn't completely solvable with objective arguments
 
9:01 PM
After reading the meta question, I side with rene.
 
@TinyGiant Sure, but please understand where I'm going with this. Aaron and two uninterested parties are discussing with Aaron about how he can come across as less off-putting. Then you, with whom he has a direct confrontation, hop in explaining why he's wrong. That just hijacks the whole discussion.
 
user4639281
@bjb568 I'm confused as to what you're agreeing to
 
with me
 
@AndrasDeak this
 
Major editing is permissible.
 
user4639281
9:02 PM
I was invited here by the room owner.
 
@AaronHall I'd lay low:P
 
@AndrasDeak again to Tiny's defense I said hey come join us
 
@TinyGiant yes, yes. We're not getting anywhere
@Drew I know, we've been through this
 
user4639281
It seems like my participating in any discussion can be considered hijacking the discussion.
 
not at all
I just don't think that any reasonable agreement will be reached here
this is now a direct extension of the meta post, with its polarized view by the community
 
user4639281
9:04 PM
We're arguing about the format and efficacy of an argument. If that isn't meta, I don't know what is.
 
meta-meta
 
ok, so let me say this: I'm working from my own rule set in memory - my approach to editing is not the rules for the site. I want an ideal resolution that makes everyone happy. I'm not sure we'll get there, but we can try.
 
user4639281
Ok, now we're getting somewhere, you're no longer saying that you're coming from the stand point of site policy, but rather your own opinion of right and wrong. That is a very different statement indeed.
 
I'll be over there -->
 
lol
 
user4639281
9:06 PM
You want to come to a compromise between site policy, and your own opinion of right and wrong.
 
Status quo: You can edit an answer without changing its meaning, even in substantial ways, because the change usually isn't controversial enough to have it reverted or for chat users to get upset. However, it shouldn't be taken lightly if it's non-CW.
The status quo works.
Whatever policy there is, that's what actually happens and works.
Guidance text, of course, should be conservative.
 
Listen guys, this whole meta post and the agitation surrounding it is an endless battle without winners. So far it looks like the community is OK-ish with substantial edits where ChrisF and Aaron (and probably more mods by now) think it is not. I personally feel ChrisF should have hold back on his roll-back and threats. Looks like the mods have to adapt their mind-set a bit.
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user4639281
As a moderator, it is up to you to enforce site policy. You should not be using your powers as a moderator to enforce your opinion of right and wrong.
 
user4639281
@rene Part of the reason why I wanted to get the Community Manager involved.
 
user4639281
I feel that moderators have acted out of their bounds and that should be evaluated and addressed by the relevant authority.
 
9:08 PM
If it gets Shogged I doubt the outcome will be in your favor
 
user4639281
I do not feel that letting it go will be better for the site.
 
> Looks like the mods have to adapt their mind-set a bit.
^ Applies across editing (and deletion too)
 
user4639281
@rene Regardless of the favour, I requested his opinion as a Community Moderator
 
@TinyGiant That's easy to say, but if I have to apply the rules I also have to interpret them.
 
user4639281
@AaronHall If you cannot objectively apply policy, you do not have to do anything
 
user4639281
9:09 PM
You can leave that up to the community.
 
@AaronHall There's no rule book.
 
user4639281
Not everything requires action from a moderator
 
Being a mod means dealing with opinions.
I agree with Tiny that erring on no action is a good idea.
 
It actually means restraining my personal opinion quite a lot.
 
yes.
 
9:11 PM
@TinyGiant yes, but the meta posts is there, it has some answers (one deleted) that covers both ends of the spectrum. All it needs is that everybody steps back for a day or so and at least stops trying to have another go at convincing right or wrong or plea for fairness or what ever. That goes for all parties, including mods, elected or not.
 
user4639281
@rene But I fear that it will be forgotten like countless other meta posts.
 
@TinyGiant one meta post doesn't build or destroy a subject
there are conflicts and fiascos, but hopefully involved parties adapt their behaviour in time
 
user4639281
No, but I have been prevented from applying an edit that I am certain should not have been rolled back in the first place.
 
@TinyGiant one could argue that you're still one voice in the community, and you might be wrong
I don't actually know the context
didn't Gothdo roll it back?
 
user4639281
If the edit were to be reapplied, even at the end of the answer as duplode suggested, I would leave it alone. If meta consensus or the OP later decides that the edit was inappropriate, I would not mind.
 
9:14 PM
@TinyGiant Oh, we will not forget this one. We already had so much fun out of it ...
 
user4639281
@AndrasDeak Gothdo rolled back my edit, then did not respond to my argument as to why the edit should have been applied, which is why I reapplied the edit.
 
Oh FSM, looking at the version history, it looks like this is another one of those mod vs user fiascos. Mods favor no change, users favor improvement. That's great.
 
user4639281
ChrisF then rolled the edit back and threatened to lock the post if it was edited again.
 
@TinyGiant so you started the edit war
 
and in the end, Tiny, just electrons on an SSD. I am more interested how Shog's bread turned out
 
9:16 PM
NO: edit -> rollback -> resubmit
YES: edit -> rollback -> meta wtf
 
user4639281
No, Gothdo started the rollback war, I defended my position, got no response, assumed submission, and reapplied what I believed to be a correct edit.
 
that's how you don't get edit wars
 
user4639281
There was a total of three rollbacks, one by a mod.
 
@Drew if it went in the toaster, burned...
 
user4639281
That barely makes up an edit war with the mod's rollback
 
9:17 PM
I, too, would like to know the condition of @shog's bread.
 
@TinyGiant you're missing my point. Official policy is "don't engage in an edit war". The biggest part of that is "don't rollback twice, don't edit twice"
right?
 
Yes.
 
@AndrasDeak yes
 
user4639281
I felt that an edit was incorrectly rolled back, and used the moderation tools available to me to correct that action. After the edit was incorrectly rolled back again, I did not edit again.
 
@TinyGiant what "moderation tools available to you to correct that"?
 
9:19 PM
@AndrasDeak rollback
 
"incorrect" in your opinion, correct in Gothdo's. Solution: ask the community
 
user4639281
I did not edit -> rollback -> rollback, it was edit -> rollback -> reasoning -> argument -> no response -> rollback
 
I can testify that none of you are unique sources of truth
 
@TinyGiant That's reasonable.
 
user4639281
I attempted to discuss it with Gothdo, he refused to defend his position, thus submitting by default
 
9:20 PM
that extra rollback didn't help when it did boomerang to meta
 
@TinyGiant a-ha.
 
user4639281
@AndrasDeak epiphony?
 
So, just to be constructive: next time somebody rolls back your edit, don't resubmit if they don't "defend their position" in a way that convinces you. Go to meta.
@TinyGiant feigned
 
user4639281
I don't believe that every incorrect action should be taken to meta
 
Only ones that lead to a rollback war. What makes you think that the person who rolled back first will find your resubmitted same edit any more favourable?
 
user4639281
9:21 PM
I think that meta is for when one or more parties cannot come to an agreement.
 
that's why you don't edit twice
 
I side with Tiny here. It's reasonable to edit a second time if no explanation is given. Further, and it should be brought to meta.
Or custom flag.
 
we'll disagree, then
 
user4639281
@AndrasDeak They had a chance to defend their argument, they should take it to meta if they would like the community consensus on the matter, as they did.
 
okay
 
user4639281
9:23 PM
It would have been a rollback war if Gothdo had rolled back one more time
 
it's not like this was a YCS 5 time rollback thing. Keep it in perspective
 
I thing Shog's bread must have burnt down his house.
 
user4639281
I realize that without context, the rollback may not look very good, but when taken in context, it is not a reason to hold the edit in contempt.
 
"-- Why did I get a downvote? -- Because Tim's lost his keys again Shog's house burned down"
 
@bjb568 I guess he is happily eating his bread, watching how this unfolds in front of his eyes.
 
user4639281
9:26 PM
I was hoping for more input from the shog on this one, but would be happy with the edit reapplied to the post, or an objective argument for it not to be.
 
@TinyGiant yeah, and the context is key here and that is hard to reconstruct, even for a mod
 
user4639281
It has now been detailed in my answer
 
user4639281
I have addressed all of the points of ChrisF's answer in detail in my answer, as such the limitations placed by that answer should be reverted at the very least.
 
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A: User didn't like my edit and rolled back, should I edit again?

BoltClockSimply put, people don't like other people touching their things without their permission. You wouldn't want some random guy putting a bunch of gnomes on your lawn if you didn't like gnomes, would you? (Although I would totally dig having pink flamingos on my lawn. For free.) Except that's not t...

 
user4639281
@AndrasDeak That is in relation to the OP rolling it back
 
9:29 PM
I know:P
 
user4639281
If the OP had rolled it back, I would have moved on
 
> Don't push it any further or you may find yourself in a rollback war.
same conclusion
somebody who can single-handedly roll it back, rolls it back
 
user4639281
That push was not made
 
Gothdo is as much invested in the matter as an OP, although that might only be obvious in hindsight
anyway, I'm fine with disagreeing, I just didn't want my meta search to go to waste
 
user4639281
That push would have been made if Gothdo had further reverted my rollback, which he did not.
 
9:31 PM
OK, full paragraph
> Generally, if someone rolls back an edit you've made, it's a good idea not to keep pushing their buttons if your edit isn't absolutely necessary. But in this case, the formatting is necessary, and to remove it, especially after someone has helpfully edited it in for you, is inappropriate. You should probably let the user know how post formatting works here, and, if they stubbornly refuse, flag the answer and let us know. Don't push it any further or you may find yourself in a rollback war.
I think BoltClock's point was "don't edit twice"
 
user4639281
@AndrasDeak Gothdo was invested in the closure of the question to which the answer was posted, not the answer itself.
 
the plot thickens:D
 
user4639281
@AndrasDeak I didn't keep pushing buttons, I attempted to discuss the matter with the editor as suggested in the Great Edit Wars blog post by Jeff Atwood.
 
(I read that story too)
 
@TinyGiant what is your take on the edit you performed as it relates to the quality of the entire Q&A related to the Gothdo dupe close attempt
 
user4639281
9:33 PM
I think that the difference in quality is minimal, the only reason I favor the original is because it has been on the site longer, has more views, more votes, and is generally doing a good job of directing googlers.
 
user4639281
I think that the target's ability to direct googlers is unproven, and it has less approval from the community.
 
Which to me was another reason to credit the edit you did if done within bounds
 
So can we take a step back and look at the big picture? Look at all the fuss this created. I think the collective cognitive load is too high to get those kinds of edits through. Even if you're 100% right every time, if you start a campaign of these, you're probably going to wind up with a bunch of answerers mad at you, demanding your head on a silver platter. Which is why moderators aren't going to like these kinds of edits (I haven't polled all of them, but I have some).
 
user4639281
Regardless, the closure there has little relevance to the edit process in question.
 
I can say that without delving deeply into the issue, I saw Gothdo's dupe as an "I'll make my own post, with blackjack, and hookers" kind of gesture, but I'm not sure how the edit ties in with it
did it try to improve the original, to make it factually correct?
 
user4639281
9:35 PM
@AaronHall I edit like this on a regular basis, and have for a relatively long time, I also will not be stopping any time soon unless given an objective reason not to do so.
 
user4639281
I have yet to have a single answerer mad at me for this.
 
Tiny wants to be banned ;D
 
user4639281
I was never banned, I have only ever been suspended from chat once
 
yeah, was unsure about that, I only remembered some conflicts with the po-po, sorry
 
user4639281
I was review banned a couple of times I guess, but mostly by bad audits and misconceptions of the meta policies
 
9:36 PM
that's fine
 
user4639281
There have been multiple occurrences of me arguing with moderators, employees, community managers as well as common users of all shapes and sizes. But that is just part of the site.
 
So to Tiny the issue is "Shall I continue" or "Has it all been wrong"
I frankly would do what Tiny did. Versus creating a new Answer.
 
user4639281
@Drew I have yet to see an objective reason against my actions that I have not addressed objectively. As such, I see no reason to abandon my position.
 
user4639281
The community seems to be mostly in agreement with my edit, or at least neutral on the matter, based on the voting and opinions expressed.
 
@TinyGiant here's a reason - if you put as much energy into writing new answers, you might have supplanted a few canonicals by now (I've done it, thus it can be done), and have 3 or 4 times the rep.
 
user4639281
9:42 PM
I don't care about rep.
 
user4639281
I care about the quality and usefulness of the content on Stack Overflow
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user4639281
I care about it deeply
 
Bread is rising.
Gonna just drop these here:
 
user4639281
The majority of my actions on Stack Overflow are moderation actions.
 
Jeff Atwood on March 4, 2009
Alas, Stack Overflow has fallen prey to that dread disease that plagues all wiki systems: The Edit War.
Jeff Atwood on April 8, 2009
Editing is the backbone of Stack Overflow, and probably (along with the reputation system) one of the single most important distinctions between Stack Overflow and "just another forum".
 
9:43 PM
@Shog9 I should read that, Tiny has already referenced it
 
user4639281
@Shog9 I quoted that in my meta answer
 
user4639281
@Shog9 Thanks for that, I'll extract the quotations relevant to the situation in my meta answer
 
Do please read. Twice-stated protocol for avoiding just such bickering.
 
Wait, bickering is bad? Go tell meta:P
 
user4639281
Both of those blog posts seem to directly support my edit, and negate Aaron's and ChrisF's positions on what an edit should be limited to.
 
user4639281
9:48 PM
@Aaron I encourage you to read both of those posts in completion.
 
I have read them multiple times.
 
user4639281
Then how are you so against substantive edits?
 
It's part of a personal ruleset that works really well for me.
 
user4639281
Ok, you should apply that to edits by others on your own posts. For posts not owned by you, would you mind sticking to the policy as defined in those posts?
 
I thought I had better backup material. I can't put my fingers on it right now.
Please keep trying to improve the site.
 
user4639281
9:55 PM
Just not in a substantive manner?
 
My personal advice is to make your edits as minimal as you can while accomplishing your objectives.
 
user4639281
That is precisely what I did in this instance
 
I would prefer to let others judge. I'm trying to stick to no-brainers since I'm a new mod. Maybe I should stick to the flag queue.
(BTW, I skip a lot of things in the queue too.)
 
@AaronHall not a bad plan
you also didn't seem to be wildly active on meta before, so it might also help to just lurk around and see how the community reacts to common problems
 
yeah, no joke. I mean, I have read a lot of meta too. I just never posted a lot.
 
user4639281
10:01 PM
@AaronHall I would be happy if we concede that I will respect your personal opinion and not substantially edit any of your posts, as long as you do that until you have a better grasp on how community policy should be enforced.
 
user4639281
I still want the edit applied to the post, but I'll promise to leave you alone on this topic.
 
I thought I had a no brainer here, but I was obviously mistaken. :D
Did someone mention bread?
@Drew did we have a successful powwow?
 
user4639281
@Aaron do you agree with my last statement?
 
@AaronHall anytime people can chat is a success for me. Thx bud.
afk in transit. Keep getting along guys.
 
user4639281
@Shog Given the discussion here, and the meta post, would you mind posting an answer on the meta post with your position?
 
10:17 PM
@TinyGiant Nah, an I approve of this answer at the top of my post will do. I need the meta-rep....
 
user4639281
lulz
 
user4639281
> I am Shog9, and I approve of this message
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