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12:31 AM
@josilber When I mouse over a checkbox, it flickers - it seems to deselect itself and then re-select itself, but only the first time I mouse over it. Is that by design, or a bug?
 
@EdCottrell Weird -- I don't see that behavior. What browser?
It shouldn't deselect itself when you do that.
 
@josilber Hmm... I can reproduce it, but only in Safari on Mac OS X with everyone selected (i.e., no query string). It doesn't happen (1) in Firefox Developer Edition or (2) when using a permalink. Odd.
 
interesting
I'm on mac, so let me see if I can repro it
whoa, yeah that is weird
will investigate
I definitely get the behavior you describe
 
@josilber Yeah, I don't remember seeing it when I looked at a prior version last night.
 
Ah, good hint
may be due to the permalink handling?
I'll look into it
 
12:42 AM
Out of curiosity, have you had any deep insights into any correlations between the raw data and the voting?
 
@EdCottrell Well, it seems that moderation-related characteristics (e.g. reviews, edits, flags) are better correlated with primary votes than Q+A-related characteristics (e.g. reputation, Q+A count). I suppose this is somewhat expected.
 
@josilber That does make sense, and I see that, too.
 
I would imagine the candidate score and statement are probably two of the biggest components of the primary voting.
 
@josilber What's surprising is that there are some real outliers.
 
@EdCottrell For sure -- I feel like this has actually helped me learn a lot about the candidates!
 
12:50 AM
@josilber No doubt. A 39 or 40 pretty much guarantees survival.
@josilber Yeah, there are some pretty impressive folks in the mix.
 
1:09 AM
@EdCottrell I give up on this one -- it appears to just be an open safari bug: stackoverflow.com/questions/30454423/…
 
1:19 AM
Awesome work @josilber
 
@Andy Thanks! Writing up the data description now.
 
@josilber Very weird. Good find, though. Of course the info was already on SO.
@Andy Seconded - it's a neat tool, even if OS X Safari pukes on it.
 
I have a data point that'd be interesting to see...candidate score. Probably doesn't need to be dynamic like the current score since it changes rather slowly
It works well on my phone :)
 
@Andy Ah, that's a really good point, and likely important since it's so visible.
I'll loop that in momentarily.
I'll just pull it manually
actually, should be that tough to add to the query
*shouldn't
 
2:15 AM
 
@josilber Awesome!
 
@josilber Nice.
@josilber Something seems to be wrong with the axes if you use candidate score as one of the axes: josilber.scripts.mit.edu/SOElection/…
 
@EdCottrell Ah, I know exactly what's causing that -- the primary scores aren't loaded yet when the graph is being plotted at the beginning, which is throwing off the automatic layout of the axis.
Should be a quick fix -- hold on.
man, the permalink is clutch in pointing out bugs :)
@EdCottrell Fixed
 
2:36 AM
@josilber I'm not seeing the fix; did you deploy it?
 
@EdCottrell Yup -- refresh?
hmm, you're still on safari?
 
@josilber Hmmm. Now it works. Wasn't working in either Safari or FF a second ago, even with refreshing. Network caching or something...
 
@EdCottrell Yeah, it looks like safari may be caching an old version of the dataset for me
I'm trying to see if clearing the cache will clear it up
oh, of course -- I should just rename it every time I update it
gimme a sec
OK, that appears to have done the trick. Safari was caching an old version of the dataset.
 
whoever owns that site should change it to "No" on April 1st xD
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it would be awesome.
 
Brilliant
 
2:46 AM
Here's an interesting one: josilber.scripts.mit.edu/SOElection/… Doesn't fully explain the difference between Andy's primary vote total and the other high-flagger primary vote totals, but it makes many of the differences clear.
 
I was just looking at that another way josilber.scripts.mit.edu/SOElection/…
I like that I can toggle the outliers too
 
@EdCottrell Cool -- I'm really having trouble visualizing helpful flags due to Andy :). I'm going to put together a meta proposal to have helpful flags broken down by comment flags vs. Q+A flags in the user profiles.
 
@Andy "outliers" = "guy with 7 times as many flags as anyone else." :)
 
Geez Andy, way to break the visualization! :)
 
I know. I know
 
2:51 AM
@josilber Please do. The flag types are very different. And that difference may *cough* be a topic of frequent conversation in the mythical mod chat Valhalla.
 
@josilber isn't it broken down already?
 
@Andy Not in a publicly viewable way
like I can see my breakdown, but not yours
 
Ah
 
BAH. How do I do strikethroughs in chat?
 
@EdCottrell is this it?
Three hyphens before and after
 
2:52 AM
@josilber Thank you.
 
@EdCottrell I think I remember animuson requesting it somewhere as something displayed for elections, but then it wasn't done due to taking on the candidate score.
 
@josilber Makes sense. To be fair, the score is probably more useful to most people.
 
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Q: Exclude comment flags from the helpful flag count during moderator election

bluefeetDuring a Moderator Election we are provided with details about each candidate, including their meta participation (questions and answers) and a total count of helpful flags. These details help to see the activity each candidate has on the site. One of the biggest things in the moderators job is...

 
@EdCottrell Yeah, the score is great as a single number, but when you break things down like this you would like to see the flags broken down.
 
Agreed.
 
2:56 AM
@Andy Thanks -- this is the post I was thinking of. Was misremembering who was proposing it.
 
I'd love to build something that could flag posts reliably, but experiments so far have proved wildly unsuccessful at identifying the posts accurately
 
@Andy Well, the SmokeDetector is pretty good, but I'm not sure how the approaches they've described would map to other types of flagging.
 
@Andy I'm "working" on an algorithm to do that. ("Working" meaning it's on a list of about 25 other projects and has been tabled temporarily.)
 
Perhaps not so well, since a lot of that is learning bad phrases and blacklisting users. Neither is likely to be as effective for NAA flagging.
 
I have 30 searches I run regularly that yield a high hit rate. With a little tweaking to determine what's code and what's quoted, I'm pretty sure I could get it to basically 0 false positives while still catching lots of true positives.
@josilber Blacklisting, no, but there are definitely certain phrases and combinations that are strong signals. "I solved," for example, is a strong indicator it's not really NAA. But "I have the same problem/issue/question" without "I solved" or "I got it" is a strong indicator it is NAA.
Anyway, like I said, it's a work in progress. And... off-topic. Sorry.
 
3:03 AM
No, that's really interesting. I teach text analytics to MBA students, so I love hearing about that sort of stuff =)
(as one of many topics in a analytics/data science course)
 
Well, when I have some free time, I'm planning to combine a tokenizer with some basic AI and see how it performs on live samples. Given that I have a family and two businesses to run, that should be in about 25 years. :p
 
3:18 AM
@josilber I'd like to take a course in that, but the state school near me doesn't have one. Oh...and time.
 
Not positive the next time it runs
 
Hey, outspoken badge! Woohoo!
 
@EdCottrell Nice!
 
@josilber You just got it, too, apparently.
 
@EdCottrell really?
Ooh shiny!
 
3:23 AM
:)
 
I'll be honest. I never even thought to look at the MOOC courses from MIT for this and I've looked at others they have. Awesome.
 
@Andy Being an online teaching assistant was a doozie -- there were nearly 40k students in one of the runs of the course!
 
@josilber Holy cow. How in the world did you guys manage that?
 
@EdCottrell A pyramid scheme of forum moderation facilitated with google docs
 
Wizardry
 
3:25 AM
^ this
 
We hired some undergrads and graduate students to do the first level of moderation, and they elevated anything they didn't know how to handle
Everything in the course naturally has to be machine graded.
Haha, now that I think of it, we created a very lousy version of the flag queue with those google docs. Should've added it to my candidate statement :)
 
@josilber Ha! You're looking likely to be okay without that.
 
Whoa @EdCottrell we have really similar badge counts on SO
I just saw them next to each other on the new Outspoken badge page
 
@josilber Yeah, we have really similar stats across the board. Biggest difference is our primary tags.
Well, and some rep, obviously.
 
Yup -- as you may have collected from my work on this visualization tool, I am a bit rusty on the web technologies
 
3:37 AM
You don't look rusty to me. UX was never my strongest suit - have always been more of a back-end guy - and I took 10 years off of full-time development to get a law degree and practice for a while. So, I say, not too shabby.
 
Haha UX is def not my strong suit! I was very back end at the only web company I ever worked for (Google internship). Map reduces all day.
Nearly all code written in C++ there.
 
Nice.
 
The only UX I ever made in a real product was a systray icon in Microsoft Office :)
is there even a systray anymore in windows?
 
yeah
 
Kind of, but I'm not sure how it works.
 
3:42 AM
wish I didn't know the answer though xD
 
huh, so maybe my things survives
 
My old laptop was dying just as Win10 came out, and I seized the opportunity to ditch Windows entirely. Have it installed in a VM, but haven't used it much.
 
it only existed after you sync'd a document with a sharepoint server, so perhaps it hasn't gotten a huge number of eyeballs.
 
I can't wait until I can ditch Windows entirely. But until then... school.
 
@EdCottrell my gaming habit is preventing a full conversion away from windows.
 
3:45 AM
@Andy lol
 
4:34 AM
I had to withdraw. Even if I did make the top 10, I just got slammed with like 8 projects that will leave me with almost no free time for a while.
Which is not a bad thing.
 
@JasonC Aww :(
Have fun with the projects, though
 
Nah, it wasn't in the cards this time anyways. I wasn't well prepared for this election and I need to get my public activity up anyways.
I hate when I type "anyways" too many times in one message. I do that with "generally" too.
Anyways...
@Undo You gotta win this for team tavern.
 
if the past is any indication, he'll never be active in The Tavern again if he wins...
 
@JasonC I'll do my best to win and prove @Shog wrong about tavern-activity ;)
 
4:53 AM
@Undo Definitely don't let @shog be right about anything, it might go to his head.
 
@JasonC Sorry to hear that. Good luck with the projects.
 
5:34 AM
btw, @JasonC's monitor reports him pulling out ;)
 
@Shog9 Obviously, it would be the only place where he doesn't have superpowers. It would be depressing.
 
:D
 
5:57 AM
I didn't think it would do this, but okay
 
bug?
 
6:19 AM
Good morning guys
 
Sorry guys, didn't knew Jason has withdrawed.
 
6:38 AM
@undo It's cause there's no post vote counts to parse any more.
I couldn't get the withdrawal logic right in mine until somebody actually did it. Now you have a test case.
Or maybe the vote counts are there still but in a different place. I don't remember if have to check not on my phone. I'm getting a vote count from somewhere I guess.
... I wish I could undo talking sometimes.
 
7:13 AM
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Q: Visualizing Data About Stack Overflow Election Candidates

josilberWhen reading up on all the candidates in the moderator election, I found myself wanting to know how candidates compare on a lot of different numeric metrics, such as volume of edits, reviews, and helpful flags as well as post counts on the main site, meta.so, and meta.se. While these numeric metr...

 
nice you added the indicators
 
@rekire Yeah it turned out to be super easy once I figured out how to make circles :)
 
Great tool, I like it really
 
Thanks, and thanks for your suggestions regarding mobile!
All right off to bed. Good night all!
 
7:43 AM
@josilber gn8 I will be here the next 7 hours
 
 
2 hours later…
10:01 AM
how can I find people who were participating in Moderator Election ?
 
@BhanuChandra You need to wait for the US Candidates the other are probably online right now.
 
Who will be participating in voting those members ?
 
@BhanuChandra anyone with 150+ rep. It's all explained in the side bar here: stackoverflow.com/election
 
 
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12:28 PM
@undo graph update please (SCNR)
 
1:07 PM
@rekire TBF I think the positions are pretty much locked at this point
 
@MadaraUchiha yes of cause, but he said yesterday this here:
18 hours ago, by Undo
Except when I'm sleeping
So I tried to get the right timing
 
 
1 hour later…
2:30 PM
@rekire Hah. You win ;)
 
Good morning @Undo!
 
I'll pull those numbers once I can get myself out of bed
 
2:52 PM
@rekire ^
 
@Undo thx!
bye guys
 
Bye!
 
3:06 PM
Morning all
 
Morning @josilber!
 
Greetings
 
3:20 PM
Morning, y'all.
 
Morning
 
3:35 PM
@josilber, is the plan to leave this data up after the election? I ask, because I'm writing an answer to your meta post and am debating including a lot of images or just linking back to the data
 
3:46 PM
@Andy I would leave pictures because I will probably use the same URL for future elections (meaning I will eventually change the users being plotted).
Links are probably good to leave in addition, since it makes it easy for others to view what you're talking about and start playing from there
Excited to see your post =)
 
Just posted it.
:)
 
4:03 PM
@josilber You could always add a year-and-site indicator to the URLs, that way we could get true permalinks.
 
@Undo how about a graph of the difference between me and @SterlingArcher?
 
Sterling Archer: +1310 -735
bjb568: +1216 -636
Do the ratio lol
 
What do you think this is? MATH CLASS?!
 
@SterlingArcher I have the better one :D
 
Debatable, I have more attention ;)
 
4:08 PM
Yeah, you have chat rooms of supporters. But without them…
I wonder how things would turn out with compulsory voting…
 
@bjb568 Chat supporters account to maybe 50 votes
 
we're 5 apart
 
@bjb568 Dictatorship
 
70 if you're EXTREMELY popular
@bjb568 Ah, did not notice that
 
I think my chat support is negated by my meme/joke on my nomination
I can guarentee that cost me a bunch of votes lol
 
4:11 PM
@SterlingArcher Probably.
Although, were you at any stage serious about your nomination?
I, at least, got the impression it was all a long-running half joke half experiment to you
 
I'm not very well known on the site anyways. I don't care if you have more votes, I did pretty well for an unknown
I ran seriously, but the whole time I knew I had no chance, so I wasn't as thorough or attentive as I could have been
 
4:23 PM
@bjb568 @SterlingArcher ^
 
AND THE LONGEST LEAD AWARD GOES TOOOOOO!
 
hello?
oh ok. Thanks.
 
@bigcodeszzer Head over to the primary page and upvote and downvote the people you want
The actual election starts in a few hours
 
@Undo nice, what's the correlation coefficient?
 
Hah. You need 150 rep to vote XD
Does that mean, by the way, if I have 150 rep on 10 accounts, I get to vote 10 times? 20 if you count downvotes?
 
4:28 PM
@bigcodeszzer You're not far away. Go make some good edit suggestions and you'll have 150 in a few hours
 
You only have a few hours.
But I can give you rep if you vote for me! (jk)
 
@bigcodeszzer Voting fraud. You can have multiple accounts, but you can't do any thing with them that you couldn't do with a single account (like vote more than once on the same thing, or vote for yourself, etc)
 
My reputation is a byproduct of asking questions; I don't really care about it :P
 
Off I go to a 3-day weekend with a cold developing in my throat, yay...
See ya~
 
@bjb568 Give me a way to calculate that in Ruby and I'll tell you
 
4:34 PM
covariance over the product of the standard deviations of both
 
Maybe we can make this easier: How about I just give you the SQL dump?
 
on mobile :p
 
Oh. Well then I'll look at it
 
The correlation coef is pointing to the formula you need
 
Right, okay
 
4:37 PM
You could either integrate with trapezoids or approximate it somehow with a finite sum.
 
4:57 PM
A vote for me is a vote for global warming
 
Ohkay…
 
5:38 PM
I'm clearly hanging out on here too much today. I'm out of nearly every kind of vote on main and meta and running out of flags on main. Somebody say something to make me be more productive.
 
@EdCottrell Take a break until you win the election, then you can hit the flag queue hard.
 
@Undo Well, assuming that pans out, that's Tuesday... I should probably achieve something between now and then.
@Undo Also, isn't that just a recipe for procrastinating on my procrastination?
 
@EdCottrell I'm going to answer that... eh, sometime later.
 
Lol
 
@EdCottrell I could mass flag comments on Ebooks, then you'd have more practice
Although Ebooks might be small enough that there isn't enough material for a good mass-flagging
 
5:42 PM
@Undo If there are any that deserve it, go for it, but it's been pretty clean lately.
 
Not very much material at all, wow
 
@EdCottrell start participating on a new site?
 
@Seth Ha, yeah... That's probably not going to help me write this private method more efficiently.
 
There's a few for you, but you folks have been doing a good job keeping Ebooks clean. I'm impressed.
 
@EdCottrell Then get some nice over ear headphones, listen to some PianoGuys and sit down and write it :P
 
5:49 PM
@Seth Nice link. And good idea. :)
 
@EdCottrell I find myself having to do that more often than I'd like to admit xD
 
Huh, my election result script is broken for only SO
 
6:10 PM
Testing election bot, stand by...
Yay
 
6:33 PM
@Undo Thanks for cluttering up my flag queue on ebooks. ;)
Have 4 "helpful"s for your trouble.
 
7:26 PM
It's almost election time!
Why did Jason withdraw?
 
15 hours ago, by Jason C
I had to withdraw. Even if I did make the top 10, I just got slammed with like 8 projects that will leave me with almost no free time for a while.
 
ah.
 
Oh wow, 30 minutes.
 
Yes, 30 minutes to get all your votes in for codeMagic your favorite candidates :P
 
 
7:39 PM
Don't you think the primary system is kind of flawed? If I only use upvotes I can just vote the people I like, but if I know then downvote everyone else I basically gave them 2 votes.
 
I'm alright with that
 
Somewhat of a flaw maybe but I'm ok with it. I think downvotes should only be used if you really think they shouldn't be elected. Not just because you don't like them as much
 
Yes true, I just think it's not 100% fair, because voters doing it like that have a bigger impact on the outcome (yes it is still small, no real problem).
 
Hello guys
 
Hi @rekire!
 
7:44 PM
Hi
 
o/ rekire
 
I don't want to miss the next step of the election
 
Yeah, I don't completely disagree
Sorry, rekire but I'm closing in
 
My candidate visualizer now also has current moderators plotted: josilber.scripts.mit.edu/SOElection/SOelection.html
 
6 minutes to go until the primary ends~
 
7:55 PM
Let's get this over with!
 
@josilber Very nice.
 
@josilber That's slick.
 
start the countdown
 
This really makes flag counts stand out. The people with the most flags, including candidates and moderators, are: Andy, Ed, josilber, Flexo, and Undo, in that order.
 
50 seconds!
 
7:59 PM
Permalink (excluding Andy, who breaks the graph): josilber.scripts.mit.edu/SOElection/…
 
it starts in less then one minute
 
~17 seconds
 
~10 seconds
 
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