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12:00 AM
You need to find a spouse and citizenship is in your hands
 
No
We don't let spouses in
Or at least not like that
You have to have lived in the UK for 3 years legally through visas or whatever, including spending at a minimum 70% of that time in the UK (so don't take too many holidays or visit family abroad for too long), you then need to obtain Indefinite Leave to Remain in the UK, which actually requires living in the UK for about 5 years, you also have to be married to a UK citizen, only then can you apply for citizenship
so becoming a UK citizen even as a spouse takes at least 5 years
 
> You can apply for British citizenship by ‘naturalisation’ if you:

are 18 or over
are married to, or in a civil partnership with, someone who is a British citizen
have lived in the UK for at least 3 years before the date of your application
 
Read the next line
 
yup - official quote ^
 
Yeah, but it goes on
> You can apply as soon as you have one of the following:
>
> indefinite leave to remain (ILR) in the UK
> ‘settled status’ (also known as ‘indefinite leave to remain under the EU Settlement Scheme’)
> indefinite leave to enter the UK (permission to move to the UK permanently from abroad)
 
12:06 AM
@NickstandswithUkraine huh? I was just quoting the official info in support of what you said?
 
Yeah, but both parts are important :p
It's not what you quoted, it's both what you quoted and what I quoted
just what you quoted isn't enough
 
I plead mobile :)
 
Oh sorry, it's 6 years, not 5
because you need to have had indefinite leave to remain for a year before applying
so 5 years to get it, another year of waiting, then you can apply
 
There's also this:
> You must also:

prove you were in the UK exactly 3 years before the day the Home Office receives your application
prove your knowledge of English, Welsh or Scottish Gaelic
show you’ve passed the life in the UK test
be of good character - read the naturalisation guidance
 
Yeah, the good character bit is complicated
You have to provide information on all convictions worldwide, including disclosure of fines for things like speeding and parking tickets
Your application will be denied if you've lied (or even accidentally omitted information) to the british home office in the last 10 years (or really, if you ever have, they hold grudges)
You also have to give details of any warnings you've ever received world wide (like a marijuana possession warning for example)
And of course, you have to have paid all your tax and national insurance contributions :p
 
12:14 AM
of course :) all fines worldwide is kind of harsh
 
Well, it's "official" fines
ones that if you don't pay you'll get prosecuted for
They're not normally taken into account, but they have to be listed when you apply
You also have to have either a degree taught at an English speaking university (restrictions apply) or otherwise pass an English test, of course
 
@NickstandswithUkraine isn't every fine not paid eligible for prosecution?
 
No
And to give you an idea about the Life in the UK test
As a British citizen, who has lived there my entire life, I've done practice tests several times
and I only pass them about 50% of the time
(If I even pass that many of them)
 
 
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4:24 AM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Just like the beaver said, it's the same dam thing over and over.
@ZoestandswithUkraine I saw that! Thought that was quite ironic.
> It is important to map his mental health.
Well, that's very different at least. :-)
I am not clear on the radical Islamist connection and how that relates to the fact that it was a gay bar.
Those seem like distinct issues.
@VLAZ @HenryEcker But how/why was it upvoted? Does it actually answer the question? Why was it deleted, instead of being nuked as R/A? What am I missing?
@manro Eh, there isn't a lot of difference between a bar and a club. Clubs are typically larger, and it is more common to find live music and dancing in a club as compared to a bar. (In a bar, the primary focus is on serving alcohol, and sometimes simple foods to go with the drinks. But it's not unusual for bars to also have live music, some have dance floors/areas, and some charge a cover fee like most clubs.)
@NickstandswithUkraine "restrictions apply" So... do American universities not count? :-p
 
 
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6:51 AM
@CodyGray @HenryEcker no, it doesn't answer. It was just a joke at the expense of the formatting in the question and it being unclear.: storing array to database php
The NAA flag on it was approved. Perhaps, unsurprisingly.
 
7:10 AM
Yeah, I think that should have been more than NAA.
 
7:37 AM
@CodyGray just woke up, so this was valid as of yesterday: the police doesn't really know the motive either
 
Any other day-old updates to share? ;-)
 
8:27 AM
Has the dumpster fire you lot call the Supreme Court revoked any other basic human rights yet?
 
I've only heard about 2 having been fully revoked: the right to not get killed by crazy people with guns, and the right to have control over one's own body.
They gutted a key extra-judicial protection for Miranda rights, which is pretty serious, but doesn't meet the definition of "revoked".
 
Supreme Court Rules 5-4 To Reopen Japanese Internment Camps
Supreme Court Votes 5-4 To Throw Beer Bottle At Slut
Supreme Court Votes 5-4 To Lock Nation’s Toddlers In Hot Car
Supreme Court Votes 5-4 To Drive Slowly Alongside Woman Walking Home Alone At Night
Supreme Court Rules 5-4 To Add Jesus Into All Paintings
Supreme Court Votes 5-4 To Make It Illegal For Women To Deceive Men With Makeup
Supreme Court Rules 5-4 To Baptize Constitution
Supreme Court Votes 5-4 To Reclassify Women As Service Animals
Reported by The Onion
 
There's this one judge that's coming for same-sex marriage next
 
Clarence Thomas?
Yeah, he straight-up said that needs to be revisited.
He also called for overturning precedents on contraception.
 
@CodyGray I don't know their names :p
 
8:33 AM
You may be interested in this earlier rant conversation I had with Oleg:
 
@CodyGray and that, yeah
 
22 hours ago, by Cody Gray
Now, what I find fascinating is, Thomas is an "originalist" and extremely conservative, believing that whatever the Founding Fathers would have wanted is what we must do forever.
 
It's just so hypocritical.
 
8:53 AM
Hello, guys 👋
And girls :-)
Zoe hates me
 
9:42 AM
@CodyGray you sent me a message in EE election 2022 that is now removed - was it by accident, or have you managed to parse the message in the end? :)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Yes, I managed to figure out the correct parsing for the ElectionBot message only moments after submitting the chat message.
 
@CodyGray heh
@CodyGray was it about the extension one? I am still not sure if the wording is ok
 
Yeah, the extending of the election
> The 6th Electrical Engineering election will be extended for 7 days unless 1 more user nominates. If there will be less than 2 candidates by the end of the extended nomination, it will be cancelled.
"If there will be" is definitely wrong.
Maybe something like: "If there are still fewer than 2 candidates, even after the extended nomination period has concluded, the election will be canceled."
That's more verbose, though, I think.
 
9:58 AM
hmm, the latter does look more like it, yeah, thanks, I think I'll make a tweak
 
> Unless 1 more user nominates, the 6th Electrical Engineering moderator election will be extended for 7 days. If this extension does not result in at least 2 candidates, the entire election will be canceled.
 
yea, sounds nicer (I think I'll use it, but remove two word - "moderator" and "entire" - to make it a bit terser)!
 
10:14 AM
I specifically added them for clarity (-:
 
well, can an election be cancelled in part? :)
 
Yes
The nomination part could be canceled
 
eh, no? IIRC, the whole election can only be cancelled
 
Right, you and I know that, but the people who are asking these types of questions to the bot... do they know that?
 
10:29 AM
Exactly. Never assume.
 
 
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1:42 PM
Anyone wants to talk?
 
 
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4:30 PM
@CodyGray Presumably the how was clicking the up arrow next to the answer. Odd considering in 2016 it wasn't very clear that was a button /s. And the why is likely due to people finding it commercial (supposition given the comments on the answer). I considered it NAA and chose to vote to delete the question to handle both the duplicate with 39 views in 5.5 years (at the time I first saw it) and the answer. Though certainly R/A works as well.
 
 
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5:50 PM
@CodyGray They have to be from primarily English countries, so the UK, USA, Australia, New Zealand , probably Canada, Barbados, South Africa. But an English speaking university in a non English country, say a university that taught in English in India, would not qualify
Ah, Canada get an exclusion, they're allowed in regardless
 
 
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6:59 PM
Good afternoon, guys
Today i have read an article about cancelling Roe v. Wade. The author said, that it was done because of the real problems in US economic and current situation.
 
That makes no sense
 
Also it can awaken the BL-movement. Because the black women make more abortion as he said
 
Abortion clinics added jobs to society, reduced unemployment, increased the country's GDP and provided safe places for women in times of need. They added the to US economy and improved society in multiple ways
Then a whole bunch of bible bashers decided that a small bunch of cells was more sacred and caused heaps of problems by violently protesting
 
Do you think, that abortion clinics make a lot of money for the country?
 
No, but I imagine they make more money than zero
 
7:12 PM
But how do you think, what was the real cause to do it right now
 
> a whole bunch of bible bashers decided that a small bunch of cells was more sacred and caused heaps of problems by violently protesting
 
Not for the people distraction from the real problems?
Hmm
 
For reference, bible basher:
> a person who expounds or follows the teachings of the Bible in an aggressively evangelical way.
 
I have never heard this phrase before
 
I think it's mostly a British phrase
 
7:29 PM
Do you can distinguish an American English speaker from British?
 
They certainly have their differences
 
How do you think, my askew English is nearer to British or American one? :-)
 
7:45 PM
It's not close to either
 
😡
 
I guess it's closer to Chinglish
 
How to make my English more handsome and more similar to yours 😊
 
Years of practice
 
Chinglish? You are very kind to me 🤭
 
7:49 PM
Chinglish isn't a compliment :p
 
Next stage after Chinglish is
...?
 
Probably Indian English
But they're not stages of English
they're dialects
(Chinglish being Chinese English)
 
Which dialect is the nearest to average English? Something like street English?
 
That's not really how dialects work
If you want to learn british english the best search term is probably "RP English"
But that's more vocal than written
For written english, you really just need to practice
Spelling, vocabulary, grammar rules, etc.
 
I think that written english is more important than vocal. A crystal vocal English need for the newscaster, singer or spy 😁
I have found a cool phrase
 
8:01 PM
Clear* vocal English is* needed* for a* newscaster, singer or spy
 
An 1891 teacher's handbook stated, “It is the business of educated people to speak so that no-one may be able to tell in what county their childhood was passed”.
 
Yeah, that doesn't really apply anymore
Nowadays it's more "Nobody cares where you grew up"
 
Thanks for the correction
@NickstandswithUkraine do you think?
 
Do I think what?
 
High society in the past?
2007 survey found that residents of Scotland and Northern Ireland tend to dislike RP.[43] It is shunned by some with left-wing political views, who may be proud of having accents more typical of the working classes.
 
8:07 PM
That's because they're racist
 
Left-wing politicans?
 
No, residents of Scotland and Northern Ireland
 
Maybe because they have their own languages?
Gaelic and Scots
 
Scots is a weird one, it's more like a dialect than an independent language
 
When you are walking in your town, are you hearing their languages?
 
8:18 PM
Scots, yes
Gaelic, no
Gaelic is more common on the west coast
 
Hm. Can they beat someone who come in their pub (where all use Scots) for the English speech?
 
Ummmm no?
Assault is illegal
 
If i someday will come to England, i want to see pubs inside
Is it a sacred thing for you?
 
What?
Pubs?
No lol
 
How?
Englishman without pubs
And darts
 
8:30 PM
Because those things are just things to do, they don't actually matter
 
What is really matter for the modern Englishman?
 
That's a difficult question
A lot matters
 
8:46 PM
Are still exist Englishmans (like or such as?) they were in the Victorian era? 💪
 
Queen Victoria died 121 years ago
So.... no
 
It was a nice era
I like the english writers from this time
Classics of the world literature
 
It was a terrible era, it was plagued with disease and child labour
 
You never agree with me, i think :-)
Which period in the English history is your favourite?
 
Consider life expectancy was only about 40 years at the time
@manro Probably the late 90s
 
9:01 PM
In every country at that time people live a few
 
Maybe early 2000s
 
Before Blair, i agree
 
Actually no
at the same time as Blair
But I don't think that was the best time because of Blair, that's for sure
 
England should change
It is unavoidable
I don't know how
But
 
9:19 PM
For example, i think, England should close (into?) yourself to resurrect the production, plants etc.
I learned not so long ago that Jaguar and Land Rover are indian now. Really
 
No? Both are still English
Their parent company is Indian, but that doesn't mean that they are Indian
 
Money still stay inside the England?
 
I assume most of it does yes
 
9:35 PM
Nick, i should going to sleep. Thank you for the nice conversation. I hope that it will help in the process of English learning.
🤝
👋
 

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