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12:47 AM
@VLAZ Didn't Pharaoh already solve this problem? The solution has been revealed to us in Exodus 1:22.
@KevinB In many cases, a generation :-)
@NickstandswithUkraine But is it at least going to allow you to get rid of Boris Johnson?
 
@CodyGray I'd still vote for Boris Johnson over Keir Starmer
 
@NickstandswithUkraine Ugh, tell me about it. I was just complaining last night in the Teachers' Lounge about how the Supreme Court is breaking everything.
@NickstandswithUkraine I don't know the latter name, so... I believe you, but that's concerning.
 
He's the Labour Party leader
 
Meh, that sounds better
 
I dislike their policies more than I dislike Boris
although tbf, given more options, I'd vote for neither :p
 
12:53 AM
That's difficult to contemplate
 
 
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8:22 AM
@NickstandswithUkraine political career of the shaggy is near the end, you needn't vote for him in the future 😉
 
Who's next, Scooby-Doo?
 
@CodyGray oldie cyclist 😉
 
9:00 AM
Hmm?
 
You know him, he likes to jump :-)
Roe v Wade was overturned. Do you agree with this decision?
 
9:16 AM
HAHAHAHA
What do you think?
 
I don't know your thoughts
 
awww, you don't posess clairvoyance? that is a severe disability on SO, my condolences!
 
9:36 AM
@manro At least in this case, I think you do. Try harder.
 
@CodyGray aganist?
 
Double negatives make that confusing
Am I against the overturning, making me in favor of Roe v Wade, or against Roe v Wade?
 
9:53 AM
I don't know. If you think that the abortion is a crime - in favor of the overturning and vice versa.
 
How could I think it is a crime?
Up until today, it was totally 100% legal.
 
First of all, it is a crime for the one woman's health.
For the fertility
 
Yes, restricting abortions is a crime for women's health, because it takes women out of control over their own bodies.
That's regardless of whether or not you personally think that abortion is a good idea.
 
not only that, it also increases death or infection risks because those left without the legal option will resort to alternatives.
 
Maybe, but for the sake of the country's future it can be useful. Population is aging, fertility is declining
 
10:05 AM
@manro, population is aging because people live longer
it's not a bad thing
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine yes
 
may I also ask where do you get the "fertility is declining" idea from? If birth rates are going down, it means that people don't think they need to get a baby as soon as possible because they know they will have a long life and also that their end-of-life living will be at least decent regardless of whether they have children to look after themselves
 
Earlier families had 2, 3 children and more, now we see families without them
 
Fertility isn't declining. That would be a medical problem. There is no such problem. People are making the choice to have fewer children, because the world is already overpopulated.
The country's future isn't in jeopardy. Not anywhere close. Any country.
They all have plenty of people.
 
10:23 AM
@manro do you know why people used to have more children? It is a natural process of any developed and urbanized country that birth rates decline: people don't need to have children as soon as possible and as many as possible. Children survive long enough to mature, parents don't need to worry that if they don't have them now, they'll die or stop being able to very soon, etc. And also what Cody said - overpopulation is a thing too
there is also a thing called contraception, you know - which also ties to the abovementioned explanations of why people would want not to have children in developed countries [as many as possible, as soon as possible]. It is simply not necessary unless one wants to and understands the responsibility that comes with it.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Yeah, and parents don't need them to help work the farm/do hard labor.
 
@CodyGray yup-yup
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine There is such a thing as contraception for now. Who knows what's next down the pike...
 
@CodyGray I presume this is a jab at what else those crazies will try to forbid?
 
Yeah
 
10:34 AM
yeah, wouldn't surprize me
"the authority to regulate whether people should be allowed to have sex without damning consequences is returned to the people and their elected representatives"
 
I mean, Clarence Thomas actually did call for overturning precedents on contraception
And also same-sex marriage
 
@CodyGray color me not surprized
 
Now, what I find fascinating is, Thomas is an "originalist" and extremely conservative, believing that whatever the Founding Fathers would have wanted is what we must do forever.
Do you think that the Founding Fathers would have been in favor of a black man on the Supreme Court?
What do you think they would have said about interracial marriages? Remember that Thomas is married to a white woman.
In an "originalist" world, would that even be legal?
 
@CodyGray heh, I had a discussion with a friend a month or so ago as to what the heck "originalism" entails. I am still not sure I understand the position. Shouldn't it also mean that the amendments they all hold so dear to be unconstitutional?
 
Well... presumably not the amendments that were passed at essentially the same time as the Constitution itself, since the same Founding Fathers proposed and were in favor of those.
But at least the 13th through 26th would be right out.
 
10:41 AM
let's see... so that entails that it can be deemed constitutional to deny voting rights?
 
Well, absolutely
I mean, the Founding Fathers definitely wanted to deny voting rights
I don't think there was a single one who didn't.
 
didn't you get the memo that founders can never be wrong about anything? :)
 
I think I've spoken before about how originalism/textualism is an inherent contradiction.
Is there some place where the Framers advocated originalism/textualism?
If not, it's unjustified under its own principles!
 
Complex sentences, i don't understand you 🤯
 
Complex sentences? Only the last one even had multiple clauses.
 
10:53 AM
@CodyGray I have no idea how such a position can even be legal, honestly - what makes it so that the text has to be understood as if ya'll still live in the days of when it was drafted? Have they heard of a thing called history?
I mean, let's imagine (for a thought experiment) for a second that the Founding Fathers were literal Nazis and at the time of the "adoption", they included clauses that explicitly declare some races to be inferior to others. Does it entail that, in the originalist POV, any attempt to amend that is unconstitutional?
 
You'd think Clarence Thomas would have a somewhat nuanced view on that.
 
heh. I mean, that follows, right? If I understand the originalism position correctly. If it has to be understood in the context of the "time of the adoption", then it means that anything, including hypothetical basic human rights violations [and ban on abortions is at least close to one in my book], should be considered constitutional, right?
 
"hypothetical"
I'm so confused :-)
 
11:08 AM
I think your hypothetical wasn't that hypothetical.
 
Correct
 
Weren't several of the founding fathers also slave owners or something?
 
"several"
 
was it all?
 
Nah, not all
Just about half of the delegates to the Constitutional Convention.
 
11:09 AM
I know some were. I'm not sure how many. I also don't know what the total number of fathers is, either.
 
@VLAZ oh, heh, yeah, I didn't even had to add "hypothetical" :)
 
I suspected you were going for something crazy when you said "literal Nazis", but then... you just got historical.
Because I don't know how else you interpret that negros are to be counted as 3/5 of a person
OK, granted, it doesn't specify their race.
It just says "those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed"
 
half-way into the message I realized that it does not even need to be a grotesque, however unfortunate it is
huh, I think we scared @manro away again :)
 
Complex sentences?
Like when I was typing 1-3 word messages
 
@CodyGray probably that
what else could it be? :)
 
11:17 AM
Maybe he's a strict constructionist
 
hmm, I thought it's the affinity for hermeneutics comes with being religious [how else could one reconcile all the contradictions?] :)
 
Yeah, I would have thought so, too
In my neck of the woods, most of the conservatism comes from religion
It's a big part of why I was surprised he said the other day he was non-religious.
 
wut? when? bwah?
 
Hm, when he was talking about being an ordinary man? Or... what was it? A footsoldier member of the rank-and-file.
2 days ago, by manro
... more suitable adjective for an unchurched person, non-religious... i don't know
You were focused on facehuggers
 
@CodyGray which baffles me [although I understand the mechanism] given that the new testament is extremely progressive if one actually reads it [I'd prefer not to mention the old one, though...]
 
11:30 AM
Wait, reads it? I think we may have found the source of your confusion.
 
@CodyGray I thought that was about us
@CodyGray yeah, I keep assuming people read, need to stop doing that
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Oh. What? Maybe. But... he was talking about himself being an ordinary man, I think?
2 days ago, by manro
@OlegValteriswithUkraine it is worse than gloomy. But the religious themes are tough to adapt for an ordinary watcher.
I took that to mean, roughly, that "these religious themes are difficult to understand for a non-adherent".
 
I thought they were talking about that ordinary (as in "heathen" - which caused the confusion that ensued) people don't understand religious themes?
as in "Bergman failed to adapt the truths of religion to non-believers"
speak about interpretation of the "intent" :)
 
Yeah, I think we're saying the same thing?
Or I am not understanding you, so just defaulting to assuming you're agreeing with me? :-)
 
@CodyGray pretty much, with the only difference that I concluded to them being religious (based on other interactions as well, including: capitalization of "God", values that only man-woman sex is "natural", etc)
 
11:41 AM
You can have good grammar and be a reactionary without believing in God. :-)
 
true... but IIRC, it is uncommon for non-believers to capitalize "God", which is what I primarily based my assumption on
there's also this:
May 5 at 8:58, by manro
@CodyGray C language is the our God the Son) Asm is the God the Father. And who is the God the Holy Spirit...?
I am genuinely confused, have I interpreted the signs incorrectly?
 
That's easily a joke you or I could have made, right?
(The answer is electrons, I think.)
 
yes... but I would likely not capitalize most of the words there. Dang it, you got me questioning my interpretation!
Jan 28 at 21:44, by manro
God made us
Dec 2, 2021 at 23:17, by manro
@CodyGray Maybe I'm incorrect, but I think in some years we will return to the God's ideas. He made man and woman, he hadn't other planes.
Dec 2, 2021 at 23:19, by manro
I believe
 
Textual analysis is tricky.
 
12:00 PM
so... from the above, I concluded they are a believer - specifically, Christian. [btw, @manro, if you stumble upon this, we are not joking - I am genuinely confused]
 
 
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1:15 PM
My vocabulary is weak to participate in the complex conversation. I need to use an e-dictionary to understand some things. And because of this my response time can be extremely long. I decided to retreat.
 
1:25 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine where did i stumble?
 
@manro oh, nowhere - "stumble upon this" can mean "if you chance by this"
 
@manro I've never voted for him anyway, I just said I'd vote for him over the Labour leader, in real life there are more people to vote for
As for "fertility declining" - I can see why manro was confused, what they meant was "Total fertility rate" is declining, and that is true, but as the rest of you say, not a bad thing
 
1:41 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I'm not sure that is any more helpful :)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine when you use "phrasal verbs" - you hurt me :-)
 
He means "If you read this"
 
@NickstandswithUkraine right :-)
Nice. If not you, I'm not understand
 
I've spoken to people who can't speak good English before, it takes some practice.
 
@manro I mean... it's literally the same thing: if you stumble, you "chance by the thing you sumble upon" :)
 
1:45 PM
@NickstandswithUkraine who are the most popular politicans in Britain, except shaggy? And not familiar to the foreigners, like me
 
@NickstandswithUkraine did you notice my even more helpful explanation below :)
 
@NickstandswithUkraine yes, total fertility rate. You are right
 
@manro There are two main parties for the general (whole of the UK) elections, conservative (run by Boris Johnson) and Labour (run by Keir Starmer). Popular in Scotland are the Scottish National Party (SNP, run by Nicola Sturgeon), and popular in Ireland are the DEUP and Sinn Féin, run by Jeffrey Donaldson and Mary Lou McDonald respectively.
 
My English is rough 😁
 
1:47 PM
The main two are definitely Conservative and Labour though
The other somewhat popular party is Liberal Democrats (run by Ed Davey), but they never get many seats in parliament
The question was, are you religious, Oleg thought you were by your capitalization of God, among other things
 
@NickstandswithUkraine I'll read about them
@NickstandswithUkraine i think, that I'm a traditionalist
 
2:17 PM
There are lots of traditionalist religions, so I'm not sure that'll answer his question :D
 
2:29 PM
Maybe I'm aren't religious.
Am i not right, that word God should be always capitalized?
 
There you go @OlegValteriswithUkraine, manro capitalizes god because god should be capitalized, nothing more :)
 
oh well
I mean, usually, it's religious people that capitalize the word "God", and secular people usually refer to it as "god". Apparently, I inferred incorrectly?
 
I have no idea
 
that said, @manro, how does the following tie into not being a believer?
3 hours ago, by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Dec 2, 2021 at 23:17, by manro
@CodyGray Maybe I'm incorrect, but I think in some years we will return to the God's ideas. He made man and woman, he hadn't other planes.
if you don't believe there is god, how can you believe they made men and women?
PSA: I am not joking, trolling, or anything of that sorts here. I am really confused
 
I mean, you can have personal beliefs outside of that of the world religions
 
2:37 PM
that is true
 
But I imagine the issue here is a lack of a concrete definition of religion, which can easily result in confusion
 
however, this is clearly a refernce to the Christian god (male pronoun, capitalization, reference to the Biblical story of the creation of man), so... I assumed that means the person I am talking to is a believer, specifically, a Christian.
Hence, I am confused
 
But the christian god is also the jewish god
as does islam IIRC, they just give him a different name
 
also true, however, in the absense of explicit pointers to otherwise, I opted to default to the most likely religion of a right-wing European showing signs of believing in a god of one of the Abrahamic religions, which would be Christianity in my book
 
That's fair :p
 
2:46 PM
I don't know, what to say
 
with the lesson being: even if your assumption is logical, it can still be wrong :) My usual downfall. So, @manro, what exactly are your views on religion?
or, put simply, do you believe in god, and which god is it if so? Feel free not to answer if you don't want to. It's just that the present situation is confusing to me.
 
Neutral, with some points i agree, with another some- no
God the Creator?
 
so... you are a believer but not of a one of the Abrahamic religions?
 
Worth noting Oleg, that teaching of religions is very limited in some places, there's every possibility of meeting people who only know about one god
 
I suppose it's a possibility, yeah
 
2:57 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine yes. You are right
 
O.K., that clears out the confusion, thank you
 
@NickstandswithUkraine U ain't speak no well English?
 
You aren't believe in any Gods?
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I think that's incorrect. It is a proper name, whether you assign him any particular significance or not.
 
3:03 PM
It depends on if you're referring to God, or the concept of a god
 
Deist, then, we settled upon?
@NickstandswithUkraine Yes, of course, the rules of grammar still apply.
 
@CodyGray Oleg speaks English very well, maybe he is a mi-7 spy in the Russia :-)
 
I've never heard of Deism, and having googled it, I'm mind blown that that even exists
 
Wat
How is that possible
 
I'm going based off the MW definition that appeared: "Belief in God based on reason rather than revelation or the teaching of any specific religion is known as deism."
 
3:05 PM
I'd say "belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe" is a better definition
But yeah, not adhering to the teaching of any specific religion is also a big part of it
 
@CodyGray That I find more reasonable
well, easier to understand anyway
@manro Nope
Sometimes I wish I could believe in a religion where there was some form of afterlife, it would make death a whole lot less depressing, but hey-ho, faith isn't exactly easy to obtain
 
@manro more like "the existence or non-existence of a supernatural all-powerful entity cannot be logically proven, hence, it is irrational to be sure that such an entity exists, let alone has any known properties [such as gender]. It is also not rational to be sure such an entity does not exist because its existence, by definition, can only be proven via an epiphany" for me.
 
Afterlife is a cool, but cooler to live eternally 😌
 
believe me [pun intentional], you'd beg for death after a millennia if you are lucky
 
unfortunately heat death pushes eternity out of the way as well
 
3:15 PM
@NickstandswithUkraine It seems pretty easy for most people
 
Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to excuse myself from this conversation, ping me when it gets less depressing.
 
Have you tried watching a televangelist?
 
@CodyGray that's precisely what I am saying: I am secular, so "god" for me is "any god", no one in particular in the context of "God's ideas", for example. Unless the speaker refers to the Abrahamic "God" - but we know now that wasn't the case, so...
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine if we can be live forever in the young body, why not.
@NickstandswithUkraine i can tell you about the military actions in the UA, but you will be more depressed
 
Hahaha, no I wouldn't
 
3:26 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Someone singing that to you while hanging on the cross would certainly make you want to kill yourself.
 
@manro do get back to me once you amass a couple thousand years of regrets, missed opportunities and such :)
 
We have a nice conversation. But i should keep silent for some questions and sentences, because i can't make an answer. Don't take offense
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine But there would also be a couple thousand years of excitements to balance them out
 
@CodyGray heh, see, on the bright side, you will no longer be scared of death and welcome it like a friend as mercy?
 
Well, you assume that life is, on the whole, terrible
I'm not sure that's true
There are terrible parts, of course
But that doesn't mean it's net awful
 
3:37 PM
I motion forward is that if you end up on a cross, it's pretty terrible :)
@CodyGray I don't, generally, but imagine you are the only one that can live forever. So any connection you make with another living being is eventually wrestled from you, and, provided there isn't a solution to keep forgetting chunks of your life entirely, that's going to keep piling up
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine i have a few regrets and shameful acts... but lost a lot of opportunities. It is true... :-(
 
@manro now, imagine you get to do that for all eternity :)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine That's uncommon.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I could be correct all mistakes in the eternity :-)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Most of the connections I've made with human beings over the past 30-ish years have not lasted and essentially been wrested from me, so I don't see how it's that much different, really.
 
3:48 PM
@CodyGray well, I thought we were talking about the bright side of being crucified? :)
 
The bright side, I think, is people worshipping you for all eternity?
 
@manro heh, if you still think every mistake can be corrected, I envy you
@CodyGray that sweetens the deal quite a bit yeah, much better if you also get to see it
 
Can't it, though, given infinite time?
 
I fogrotten you are a proponent of Eternal Recurrence :)
 
4:07 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine We can. We should believe in yourself. Whilst we believe, all be right.
We only can't sorry to dead friends, i think
 
 
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7:43 PM
Good afternoon 👋
 
8:15 PM
Where are my boys? 🤔
 
8:29 PM
@CodyGray that aged well: www-nrk-no.translate.goog/norge/…
Shut down fast at least
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine he killed gays? It is their popular place for clubbing
 
 
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9:36 PM
 
10:11 PM
@manro Well, yes, there are normally gay people at a gay bar
 
@VLAZ jeez, what's the question for such an answer?
 
lol
it needs to go, but... it deserves a spot in the "funniest responses to horrible questions" hall
 
10:29 PM
Gosh it's so hard to fetch vote counts with how big the up/down buttons are =/
I've already saved it in my list of gems, but I did vote to delete the question.
 
@NickstandswithUkraine gay bar sounds strange :-) gays love clubs
 
Lots of people like clubs.
 
Also, gay bars can be clubs
 
Clubs are still popular?
 
Well they took a bit of a hit from covid, but as far as I understand it, yes they're still popular
 
10:38 PM
I never was in a club 😁
And you?
 
I've been to a few clubs
 
@HenryEcker remember when they also made the vote breakdown very small when they rolled out Articles? Even this size we had to fight for, sigh...
 
@NickstandswithUkraine what did you do there? It was your high school graduation?
 
We don't have high school graduations
And I drank at them
 
Did you drink after graduation? :-)
 
10:48 PM
> We don't have high school graduations
 
You had graduations only in the University?
 
Do you have B or M degree?
 
I have a masters degree
 
Cool, you are a clever guy
Do you want to be a PhD?
 
No profits from it? Or tough to take?
 
No benefit to it
Also I wouldn't enjoy it
 
Do you plan to study more in your life?
Or it's enough
 
Not in an educational setting
 
Online courses?
 
Self-teaching?
 
?
Mhm = modified hm? :-)
 
> Mhm is a version of mm-hmm, an interjection variously used to express agreement or make an acknowledgment, among other senses. Mhm is especially common in the casual writing of the internet and text-messaging.
 
😁
Never heard this funny that before
Nick, can i ask you ?
 
11:24 PM
Can you ask me what
 
What say people in England about the fate of the caught mercenaries? That they will be executed. Is society still interested in this story? Or story with UA has already "overheated"?
 
You mean the guys that weren't mercenaries? There's not much being said about it at the moment, the last article I saw on it was 3 days ago, but there are other important things going on in the world that need news time as well, and the sentencing was 3 weeks ago now. Their family have hope, not much else to be said on it.
 
They weren't mercenaries?
 
No
They've both lived in Ukraine for 4 years and are enlisted members of the Ukrainian military
 
11:41 PM
You mean, that mercenaries are only who came to fight in feb 2022 and after?
 
Mercenaries are hired members of a different armed force. For example, if they were in the British Army, and the Ukrainian military paid them to come fight for them (so, British soldiers fighting for Ukraine), then they would be mercenaries. But they are members of the actual Ukrainian military, they're just soldiers, not mercenaries.
 
Hmmm. Then it is easy to whitewash yourself. Enter to Ukrainian military and you aren't a mercenary?
 
Well no, because you can't just "join the military"
 
Why? They need the soliders
 
For example, to join the British Army, you have to be a British citizen, or an Irish citizen
If you're in the Commonwealth (for example Canadian), you can also join, but you have to live in (and have lived in) the UK for 3 entire years.
 
11:52 PM
Britain can't give someone a citizenship faster? For example, you are a supersniper.
 
No
They are hard requirements
you cannot get around them
 
Bureaucracy :-)
 
citizenship comes with a lot of benefits - it is reasonable for countries to not [in general] to expect significant contributions to their economy before providing one ("living" in a country is not just a procedure - it means you work there and pay taxes)
 
Indeed, and I wasn't even talking about citizenship, becoming a citizen is even harder than becoming a member of the British Army
(Well, for members of the Commonwealth anyway, for foreign nationals it's about the same difficulty to join the Army, because you have to become a citizen first, but as soon as you're a citizen you can apply)
 

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