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5:13 AM
@manro "Kissinger is a very respected person there [in the USA]" In no way whatsoever.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine The toilet syntax, we call it. :-) You have already forgotten?
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Well, hello there, Martin! I didn't recognize you in that cat costume!
 
@CodyGray I still have no idea what they were trying to postulate with it, honest to god
 
At least you can read the website they shared!
 
@CodyGray that would create quite a confusion :)
 
Why confusion? You think he is confused about how toilets look?
 
@CodyGray I believe you are mistaken, sir, I am actually Jean-Paul Meaow!
 
5:23 AM
You said you weren't an existentialist!
 
@CodyGray well, I am not touching that unless as a Tor node
 
Ah, fair.
 
@CodyGray well, neither was Jean-Paul :) Although if you ask Martin, they were. Give me a sec, I'll ask them
 
Sartre was definitely an existentialist!
Are you thinking of a different Jean-Paul? Surely there cannot be more than one in the entire world history of existence.
 
hmm, "unless" did not sound quite right
 
5:26 AM
"except" would be more idiomatic
You could use "unless" if you said "unless accessed through a Tor node" or something like that
 
@CodyGray and they just thought they are reading Martin correctly :) That did not impress the latter, though
Neither did Martin impress Husserl, though, and they thought they are the only one who understood them. Quite ironic
 
Ugh, "they" is such a confusing pronoun, grammatically speaking.
There, I said it.
 
Now guess which is referring to whom :)
 
Yeah. Exactly. :-(
Not sure I'm following. Heidegger denied being an existentialist, but Sartre didn't.
 
@CodyGray yeah, I wanted to go with "unless I am a Tor node", but that sounded even more wrong
 
5:32 AM
hahahaha, yeah, that sounds definitely wrong
I suppose you could trivially fix it by throwing in the preposition "on"?
What a difference a two-letter word makes!
Imagine what a difference a four-letter word could make. ;-)
 
@CodyGray ironically, the statement goes both ways. Husserl was definitely surprised when their former student booted them from the university for having Jewish origins. Lesson: be careful who you live bad paper reviews for
@CodyGray well, technically, JP is considered to be the father of existentialism, but not an existentialist. But I am mostly joking around
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Isn't that a myth/rumor?
 
@CodyGray which part?
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Hmm. "not an existentialist"? Really? Didn't he call himself that?
@OlegValteriswithUkraine That Heidegger was involved in discharging Husserl from the university. And also that Heidegger retracted the dedication of his work to Husserl (wasn't done out of ideological difference or personal animus, but at the advice of his publisher who was concerned about banning).
 
@CodyGray on a Tor node does sound better, but technically iffy :)
@CodyGray I think so - I was mostly joking about the position expressed in the Being and Nothingness
 
5:38 AM
I confess to knowing quite little about Sartre, and having never read any of his actual works
 
@CodyGray nah, as far as I am aware that's actually true. As for malice, they did deny it vehemently, but they did boot them out as the rector. Probably for the better, though, all things considered
 
Hmm, Wikipedia seems to suggest otherwise, with this citation.
Interestingly, that's note 59, but the URL says "60".
Or maybe that's just saying that Heidegger didn't inform Husserl, not that Heidegger wasn't the one who booted him?
 
@CodyGray I haven't read much either (apart from, ironically, fiction [I suppose could call it that] of theirs), but B&N is an incredible work
 
Like Vonnegut
Of whom I also haven't read more than a smattering, which is, of course, all fiction
 
@CodyGray I think it is, indeed, saying that the previous rector informed them of the discharge
 
5:45 AM
Well, yeah, it literally says that :-)
The question is if it's implying that Heidegger wasn't involved
 
I am not sure, it's very weirdly worded - I might have a recollection of such a rumor that Martin personally informed them of the discharge, which might be what this quote is disproving
 
Ah, yeah, if that's the rumor, then that's probably what it's referring to
But I've repeatedly seen claims that Heidegger was "indecently silent", not that he was involved.
> What is uncontestable, however, is that he remained a member of the party until 1945, that his tenure as rector of the university was short - it came to an end a year later, in April of 1934 โ€“ and most significantly for our purpose, that Husserlโ€™s dismissal took place under his watch as rector. It is almost certain that Heidegger had no direct hand in these occurrences, but it is also the case that he did not โ€“ and perhaps could not โ€“ intervene.
 
@CodyGray that's one heck of an anti-Martin article :)
 
Those are thick on the ground
 
@CodyGray that's closer to the truth, I suppose, "booted" may not be an entirely correct description of events
 
5:56 AM
When you say "booted" in the context of Nazis, it has meaning :-p
 
Speaking of articles - ironcially, the Black Notebooks do, indeed, suggest that they optimistically believed that the new regime is in aligment with their notion of true self. Twice ironically, they do seem to indicate that was a genuine belief in that there was genuine belief and a crashing disappointment later
@CodyGray well, touché :)
 
Lot of philosophy discussion happening here. What is this, the comments section on a Meta post?
 
Not really, those are just guest lectures
Have you heard of our lord and savior Georg Wilhelm?
 
Me or Cody?
 
He must be asking you
 
6:10 AM
I have not. Philosophy isn't so much my thing.
 
why would I want to convert a believer, @RyanM?
 
heh
I'd trace my lineage more to Nietzsche than Hegel
But they're hard to disentangle
 
Consider the former to be the new testament, we can live with that
 
haha
You know, I would have hated philosophy if my exposure to it was what my university taught.
 
@RyanM let me just give you this brochure... [whips out a small tome of the Critique of Pure Reason]
@CodyGray why so?
 
6:17 AM
Well, they didn't teach anything you might consider "critical theory" or "continental philosophy"
Except for one professor, Robert... dang, what was his name...
Well, whatever his name was, he was a Nietzsche scholar and translator, but he got hit by a train in China
Robert Solomon
 
@CodyGray I thought their name was Robert?
 
Hmm?
 
@CodyGray hmm, what did they teach then?
 
Also, I apparently misremembered about him being hit by a train in China. According to Wikipedia, he died of pulmonary hypertension in Zurich.
 
6:19 AM
He died in 2007. I started university (the first time) in 2006. So I never took any of his courses, although I had certainly planned to.
But yeah, the University of Texas philosophy department during the various times that I was there was all either Ancient Greco-Roman and/or analytic philosophy
It was in the same building and nearly co-managed with the Classics department, so mostly ancient stuff
Apparently, the Classics department was really solid, but Greco-Roman history is about the one area of history that I am not interested in, so... Yeah, I avoided that.
 
@CodyGray well, that's more boring
 
Although I was well acquainted with a couple of grad students in the Classics dept.
 
@CodyGray sorry, I couldn't resist a wordplay on "name" given you already gave their name :)
 
Right, I eventually got there :-)
Also: !!
In confirming his reason for death (sorry Wikipedia), I stumbled across this article from my alma mater, which revealed something I did not know: Robert Solomon's undergraduate degree was in molecular biology.
 
@CodyGray that's quite expected, I suppose
 
6:23 AM
Yeah, it's not weird that that would be predominant, but it was nearly exclusive.
The only thing even remotely interesting that the UT Philosophy department contained during the times that I was there was a scholar of Wittgenstein
Oh, we also had a couple of Objectivists focused on the philosophy of law and slavish devotion of Ayn Rand. So that was ludicrous. But I guess "interesting", in some sense.
 
@CodyGray judging by their fields of jnterest and influences I am starting to suspect that rumors of their death are a bit exaggerated :)
 
heh
 
@CodyGray remotely? Early Wittgenstein's work is, frankly, among the best studies of language I've ever seen. So is the late, of course, but I am less familiar
 
According to the Philosophy Department's current page, the [requirements for the undergrad major](https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/philosophy/undergraduate-program/the-major.html) are courses in:
- Symbolic Logic
- Ancient Philosophy
- Theory of Knowledge, Metaphysics, Philosophy of Mind, Ethical Theories, and/or Philosophy of Language
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Yes, true. And that particular scholar (Josh Dever) was a real genius, with an incredible gift for teaching/lecturing.
However, much of it was beyond my grasp.
I took one course, which I did not do well in.
And it wasn't really my primary interest
 
@CodyGray not a very compelling choice, yeah. We were lucky to have interest in phenomenology on the rise at the time, and in general, there was a wide variety of specialists to choose from - from Ancient Greek to Deleuze (don't you dare make a joke if I attended a seminar of Plato's :))
 
6:31 AM
heh
Seminars, I'm fine with
Semester-long courses outside of my major that I'm taking merely for fun? Pass.
I took... a lot of these. :-)
 
@CodyGray so... there is no 4-5 year-long course spanning the whole history of philosophy??
 
Is... that normal?
I don't know of any department at any school that does that
 
@CodyGray well, taking the Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus (how ponderous it sounds in English, on an off note), it's not the easiest read at all. Incredibly condensed statements forming an inference spanning the whole book
 
Exactly
 
@CodyGray for ours it used to be normal, yeah (dunno about these days). History of Philosophy was a mandatory course spanning the whole of the education, with at least a semester dedicated to each significant period. Formal logic was a required course for 2 years for everyone too
 
6:38 AM
That's very long for single courses
 
Quite long indeed, but it can be thought as a series of modules: antiquity, philosophy of the XXth century, of the XIXth century, Classical German Philosophy, Renaissance and the Modern Age, and Medieval (sorry for the mess in the order, the diploma is alphabetically sorted)
 
Yeah, it totally makes sense when you think of it that way
It's really just a prescribed sequence of courses in my vernacular/experience
 
Plus history of logic, logic of XXth century specifically, and Russian philosophy as separate courses
 
Or, prescribed... what would you call it to not imply that it is an ordered sequence? The word escapes me at the moment, due to lack of sleep.
 
@CodyGray yeah, just a different way of splitting, I suppose. It's not like it was monotone in who gave the lectures and held seminars either
 
6:46 AM
Ah, I see. Yeah, then that totally makes sense.
I mean, same in biology. There are certain courses of study you must take. They're just not organized into one "meta-course".
 
@CodyGray hmm, an unordered sequence? Maybe just a sequence would do then? Although I was supposed to be asleep 2 hours ago, so don't expect me to make sense either
 
That was me, about... well, 20 hours ago
There's a specific word that's at the tip of my brain...
Program!
(Programme?)
Not to be confused with Pogrom
 
@CodyGray that makes sense - after all, you studied the physical part, and we the metaphysical one. It is only fitting
 
I did both. :-)
 
@CodyGray curriculum?
 
6:51 AM
Seemed incomplete otherwise :-)
@OlegValteriswithUkraine There we go. That's another good one, maybe better.
 
See? Cigarettes ain't that bad :)
 
I don't see how this provides evidence of that fact
 
@CodyGray oh, no, I've been struggling with this for ages. These days it is even worse
 
They're the same word
 
Which to settle on, I mean
 
6:53 AM
I think you've mostly settled on American English, so I would recommend "program"
 
@CodyGray well, I went to smoke one, and it dawned on me! By the same logic as with Kissinger, it must be it
 
I think Kissinger also smoked cigarettes
So that makes you culpable for every atrocity Kissinger ever committed
(See why I struggled in that formal logic class?)
 
^^ Correct! So glad I am in a sanctuary for those :)
@CodyGray suppose so - still can't settle on those pesky s/z replacements, though
 
Ah, yeah, that irks me :-)
Note that your incorrect "z" forms are not from any known dialect of English :-)
At least, not modern English.
I think people used "surprise" and "surprize" somewhat interchangeably back in the 18th century.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I thought the US was the sanctuary for those! Maybe I could not follow the arguments either.
 
@CodyGray well... let's call it authorial choice :)
 
7:05 AM
You aren't an authority :-p
Seriously, isn't it weird that "authorial" refers to "authorship", not "authority"?
 
the decision-making process looks somewhat like this: let's see how we feel like today, jazzy or sessy
 
What in the world is "sessy"?
Aww, Amazon doesn't onebox?
 
> 1- sexy + sassy
From UrbanDictionary
 
@CodyGray same thing
 
I decided to not check the rest of the definitions.
 
7:09 AM
Hmm. I've never heard anyone from the urban or rural parts saying "sessy" instead of "sexy".
 
UD is not known for verifying the usage rate before listing a definition.
 
What a terrible knowledge-base.
Is this quality issue because they don't have downvotes?
 
I was actually going for sassy, but... something went wrong
 
Ah
 
I'd put the root cause at no standards. Which also causes no downvotes.
 
7:11 AM
I like that way better than VLAZ's proposed explanation
 
Fair
 
That said, I cannot imagine there ever being a conflict between "sassy", "sexy", or "jazzy".
 
well, the conflict resolution mechanism is exactly "how we feel like today" :)
 
That's better than random, I guess
 
sure, it's Random Access Mood
 
7:56 AM
Someone accepted this as an answer back in 2008:
> Wow, the world is changing. Sorry, I didn't realize you were using Vista. As you can see here, things were different back in Windows XP. So, what happens when you click the "Instances" buton?
 
That's... not weird?
 
the same person posted an actual answer later, too
 
@RyanM I'm not that surprised, given that the accepter also posted three non-answers to their question.
 
8:22 AM
Huh. So they did.
 
 
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9:31 AM
Look, @OlegValter, you're not alone ;-)
 
10:03 AM
@CodyGray why am I not surprized? :)
 
10:31 AM
lmao...someone voted to close where's the Best Real Estate Photo Editing Services? as "Opinion-based". technicallycorrect.png
 
Fortunately, they also flagged it as spam.
The person who voted to close it as custom off-topic did not.
 
Ah, so they did.
@CodyGray They have already received education, although it needed a bit of editing since for once it wasn't support-number spam.
 
> with the help of watchful community members like you
Lathering it on a bit thick there, aren't you? ;-)
 
It's supposed to be an encouraging message! :-p
 
Well, it's certainly an improvement over your last attempt.
 
10:38 AM
That user was terrible. Obvious sockpuppet.
 
10:59 AM
Philosophers ๐Ÿ‘‹
Again I'm late
 
 
9 hours later…
7:59 PM
Where are all?
Today is Saturday
Partying? ๐Ÿ˜‰
 
 
3 hours later…
10:48 PM
I'm around-ish
 

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