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2:04 AM
I hear that there are drugs that men can take that causes them to lactate... just saying. — yellowantphil 1 min ago
 
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@yellowantphil exactly! That's why I said yet. They'd want to make sure they have a chest wax... just saying ;) — Yvette 51 secs ago
 
8:22 AM
Welcome home \o/
 
@Yvette Regarding inappropiate jokes in socvr: What is and isn't inappropiate isn't yours alone to decide
As brutal as that sounds, if ROs and mods have no problems with it, then its not a problem
 
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@Magisch what talking about "tits'
 
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is ok
 
Maybe inappropiate for this context
Not massively though
 
We do have balls talks too, they feel just as inappropriate to me lol
 
8:23 AM
We're talking about all kinds of non-programming stuff constantly
 
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you're not a woman sitting in the room
 
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I'm out of it
 
"You're not a woman" isn't an argument
 
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Rene is on the phone, he wants me to wait. But I've had it
 
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It is if you don't find it offensive
 
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8:24 AM
Talking about tits is not ok
 
Point is, what is and isn't offensive is a community decision
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if the decision doesnt align with your views, well tough
 
^ I agree.
God damn lag
Plop Madara! Great to see you
 
@MadaraUchiha Oppression!
Jk, hai
 
Who What Where
 
8:25 AM
I've been offended by things that the community considered OK
 
@MadaraUchiha I just imagined you walking in with a massive minigun: "Sup".
 
@Yvette Do you think then that it should be the RO's goal to never possibly offend anyone?
Because thats not happening
We're a diverse bunch of people, and conventions are in flow constantly
One single person has next to no effect on that, neither should they. I'm as irrelevant as everyone else in this.
 
@Cerbrus Madara uses a Sword. And he doesn't walk: He charges.
 
@Kyll Somehow, that's even more terrifying.
 
@Cerbrus Trust me, it is. I've seen it. I've been on the other end of that sword.
 
8:29 AM
:D
 
@Yvette Slack, btw
@Yvette Slaaaack
@Madara By the way, @Adriaan is a pretty damn good TF2 player too
 
@Kyll Psh. I can take him :V
 
My lowest meta answer is -3
 
@Cerbrus =D
 
@Kyll You guys still play TF2?
The patch kinda killed the mood for me
 
8:45 AM
Well, at least the patch makes it really easy to play together in Casual
So yes, we do
If we have a full roster at some point we'd also like to Mann Up
 
@Kyll The matchmaking thing consistently gave me servers I have >200 ping against
Is that still the case?
Or can I finally pick my own servers based on ping if I wanted to?
 
@MadaraUchiha The server browser is still available
 
@Cerbrus Yeah, I don't mean that
 
@MadaraUchiha Community ones, yeah
I'm not sure why Matchmaking does that to you though
 
I mean the one where you can pick a mode and it gives you a list of Valve servers
 
8:56 AM
What official servers do you have a nice ping on? Stockholm?
 
With ping listed next to them
@Kyll Yeah, mostly.
I guess that's closest to me
 
=/
 
Ah, yea, dunno about that
 
I'll try again later today
 
Kay
If it still does that you may want to raise the issue to Valve
 
8:58 AM
@MadaraUchiha: How's your internet connection in general?
 
@Cerbrus Pretty good
 
Maybe valve's server finder is just.. crappy
 
I can play Overwatch with <80 ping just fine
 
Although I haven 't had any issues
 
I'm currently only playing WoW
 
8:59 AM
What's with all the new wind WoW had gotten?
 
@Magisch Waste of Wealth :P
@MadaraUchiha: New expansion
 
Did it suddenly become worth the monthly subscription?
 
Only issue is when we want to play together, you have people in the Middle-East, folks in Central Europe, and some others in the US. Makes it hard to please everyone
 
@MadaraUchiha I've been subscribed to that game without fail since it came out 2008 (I think?) and I've bought every single xpack new in the collectors edition
I even was in the end of the original private beta
 
I usually play for a month or 2 with a new expansion
Then I get bored with the dailies :P
 
9:02 AM
Played legion yet?
I usually have 6-8 alts that I keep up along side my main, but in legion with all the insane amount of stuff to do I haven't had time for an alt yet
 
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@Magisch one comment, we shouldn't fight I realise you don't know what it was about. and the comments were mod deleted, as they were regarded as offensive
 
@Magisch Nope
 
@Yvette Are we talking about the meta thing from a few days ago?
 
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@MadaraUchiha no
 
Then what happened?
 
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9:04 AM
something that was in socvr chat earlier
 
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I called Shog in
 
Link?
 
@Yvette Right, so assuming the mod agreed with you, why is there any necessity for further discussion? Offensive comment was removed, world keeps on spinning. Happens probably a couple dozen times a day. Just because it was a nsfw remark doesn't make it uniquely or specially offensive.
 
@Yvette Already spying the transcript ;)
@Magisch Pretty sure Yvette doesn't care so much about the original comment as about the reactions to the flags
 
user3956566
9:06 AM
@Kyll exactly
 
Then you're very fortunate you're not a regular in the C++ lounge
 
Let's not take the Lounge as an example...
 
because there are many such remarks (and stuff more overtly sexual or demeaning to women) that go by unnoticed there.
The lounge is continuing to exist with no SE or mod intervention, so it necessarily represents about the edge about what SO will accept as a room
 
9:28 AM
@Yvette I have a question for you. You think that because a joke makes you uncomfortable, it should stop. Suppose I really really dislike jokes about germans, since I get these on a semi-regular basis even on SO. Do I have the right to have every chatroom I'm in cease to make those? If so, how would you possibly enforce that?
 
@Magisch Truth be told, jokes about Germans don't really have their place in a professional discussion
Nor do remarks about balls, tits, sexual orientations, religions, or whatever
Joking about random stuff (cabbages in the Python room, waffles, various animals) is fine since no one is really aimed. Those are our memes
Now, of course, it happens
I'm probably guilty of many such remarks
If it slips by, then very well
If someone feels uncomfortable about it (not even offended or whatever, just uncomfortable) it should be obvious that we should stop
 
Even if a guy jokes about having massive tits because he's fat, who cares?
(As long as he's talking about his own body)
 
@Cerbrus I don't know. But it's inappropriate, so if someone points it out we should agree that it shouldn't happen again.
 
Meh, That sounds too serious, imo.
 
Well, it depends
If you're with people that react to literally anything pointing out any group, then yes it'll grow boring very quickly (no more PHP jokes)
But some people will react poorly to some kinds of jokes
We know Yvette and gender, I tend to be jumpy on religion =p
 
9:39 AM
@Kyll This is the internet.
 
suddenly realizes it's true
 
If you don't have thick skin, even for the topics that do affect you, you should develop one.
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That applies to every single user of the internet.
Sexism isn't funny, sexist jokes might be funny. Racism isn't funny, racist jokes might be.
 
@MadaraUchiha This.
 
Laugh at what you can, shake your head and move on to what you don't find funny.
 
This is a way too serious and good message for this room lol
 
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9:41 AM
@MadaraUchiha I expect a level of professionalism in the socvr and charcoal. Not so in here. I posted jokes in here myself.
 
@Yvette It's still a chatroom
One of the more professional ones, I assure you
 
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@MadaraUchiha yeh, which exists to moderate the site
 
But still a chatroom.
@Yvette I'm not even taking stance on the nature of the joke here
 
@Yvette that's a double standard.
 
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yes, but if SO wants women to participate, they're going to need to raise the bar. As it makes (many) women uncomfortable
 
9:42 AM
It's a chatroom. Jokes will happen.
 
You can't be offended by something in SOCVR and not in here.
 
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@Cerbrus what I'm meaning to say it this: the socvr is for group mod purposes. It needs to be clean. If a room gets dirty I can leave it
 
@Yvette I have seen women reply to those meta questions with "suck it up"-like answers.
 
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If I want to assist in helping with moderation I can't leave that room
 
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@Cerbrus not all
 
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9:44 AM
And yeh, there is one vocal woman on the site, who regularly sells out other women.
 
@Yvette You know how we stop sexism?
 
@Yvette More than "I'm offended as well"-answers.
 
We stop talking about it. We stop acknowledging the difference.
We remove the difference to begin with, we don't talk about how we can make up for the difference.
 
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@MadaraUchiha I agree and don't make jokes about women's body parts
 
It's like a bug, when you encounter a bug, you don't make up for it with a different behavior for the bug
You remove the bug.
 
user3956566
9:45 AM
If we stop talking about the differences, then the differences cannot be used as a topic of conversation or point of ridicule
 
Don't make a big deal about it if it happens. Just treat it like any other junk. Don't make it about gender discrimination
It's junk? Flag, delete, done.
That's all.
 
@Kyll aww, c'mon, I'm just hiding behind a fatty's belly with my medigun, cowering away from bullets and rockets
 
@Yvette I used to care a lot when someone (usualy muslims) came into the room and upon learning I was from Israel, started being obnoxious about it, even to the point of calling me a murderer (which is true, of course, I dropped meteors on armies, but it's still not nice!)
 
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I'm not saying it's discrimination, far from it. Women do just as well participating on SO
 
These days, I just say "Well, you're entitled to your wrong opinion, if you want to talk about it like an adult, I'm here"
 
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9:46 AM
It's upsetting and makes some women feel uncomfortable. More than you'd realise
 
@Yvette This whole issue is about some women making it about discrimination.
Well, some men too, actually
 
There are many social, political, and religious issues with humanity.
And just can't afford to make a big deal out of every one that happens.
 
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@MadaraUchiha I live in a the centre of a Jewish community, across the road from two synagogues. btw
 
@Yvette Great, so you probably encountered that part of the world at least once too.
You know what I'm talking about.
 
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@Cerbrus nah, that's where I'm being misinterpreted or not making it clear. It's the uncomfortability factor
 
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9:49 AM
@MadaraUchiha well I'm not Jewish, but obviously, feel very comfortable within the community. I have felt sorry for the Jewish plight.. historically they've had a bad time :-/
 
The instigation for the debate this time was.
 
ooooh shitstorm time!
good morning
 
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@Cerbrus can you believe Art? he's mult tasking and writes that up so easily
 
Plop Andras
@Adriaan =p
 
In short @Yvette
No one is asking you to "play as one of the guys"
But I've been confused for a woman (feminine looking display name for a westerner, feminine looking avatar when it's small)
And I don't care.
I've been called a murderer, a nazi, a racist, I don't care.
 
9:59 AM
nazi, he he
 
And those are personal attacks against me
Not some general joke that I found offensive
 
ah OK
 
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@MadaraUchiha you have managed your modship admirably. I remember there was a cuffuffle soon after you were elected and how you managed that won me over to you.
 
The War On Lounge, 2015 or something:P
 
That was a good time.
The post one of them made to call me out later became the second most downvoted post on meta :D
 
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10:05 AM
I didn't know you, but I respected you from that time on.
 
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You have received a lot of flack and done well. I don't think I could cope with that the way you have.
 
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I'd be crying
 
@Yvette no, you couldn't:P
 
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@AndrasDeak I know right
 
I'm reaaally wondering about those flagged messages though
 
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10:08 AM
@AndrasDeak they were off
 
well, I gathered:P
 
I just put on my "lol pls" face and moved on
 
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but juvenile and coming from someone in their 50s is what upset me
 
:> -- Madara Uchiha
@Yvette I KNEW IT!!!! :D
 
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@MadaraUchiha do you get upset sometimes
 
10:09 AM
@Yvette When I do, continents get sunk. So I try not to.
 
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@AndrasDeak what my agism? is that what you are implying ;)
 
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@MadaraUchiha ah of course
 
My secret is that if I get upset, I just take a break.
You'll be amazed at what an hour or so of getting off the computer can do to the temper.
 
@Yvette no, I had a suspicion from context who the user could be, and that remark of yours fits in well with that:D
 
I do get angry during online games, with an incompetent team.
@Kyll knows :P
 
10:10 AM
So when you're upset, you get off the computer...and sink continents
 
@AndrasDeak Correct.
 
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@MadaraUchiha ah so now we have his Achilles heel
 
The secret is really knowing when to let go
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I need to get going
Live long and prosper ✌
 
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@MadaraUchiha peace up to you also
 
see you
 
10:22 AM
 
@MadaraUchiha I don't, us both being in the same team makes it extremely competent immediately
 
10:41 AM
@Kyll I'll just offset that @MadaraUchiha
 
 
6 hours later…
4:54 PM
anyone up for games in about an hour?
 
 
1 hour later…
6:06 PM
Hey @Kyll, would you mind taking a look at this script‌​? It's really nice but makes the tab run really slow. Don't know if you know of a way to speed it up.
 
 
2 hours later…
7:46 PM
@Kyll Right so I've just tried
I still get 250 ping servers in my matchup
It's not funny anymore.
Let's move to Overwatch guys
It's more fun anyways
 
hey
 
JAL
I found BoltClock on the front page of /r/tf2 last night: reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/52lwat/…
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haha
 
well, I'll be
 
lol:D
elitism
 
7:59 PM
lol
 
 
3 hours later…
10:33 PM
@gunr2171 On it
@MadaraUchiha Bring the issue to Valve? Seems like there's some issue in how their matchmaker recognizes you
@gunr2171 Happens in which browser?
 
11:28 PM
@Kyll chrome
 
Yeah figured so
I think I found the issue
 
heavy css?
 
Heavy CSS generation
 
ok, cool
oh, and
 
Haha
Well
I'll have to rewrite the thing
 
11:42 PM
good luck
except not now
it's like, after midnight for you
go to bed
 
2am yeah
 
GO TO BED
 
Yeah
Probably should do that
 

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