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8:54 AM
I'm not sure but it feels like a notification about fewer notifications misses the point.
 
@RyanM "Your link to an answer is in another castle"
 
 
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10:39 AM
is this... a review bribe..? I mean, apart from the editor and UX changes on main, I am in the camp of those who actually like the idea of Teams a bit, but... wut?
 
🙏
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I think they're called "incentives" rather than bribes, but yes
 
Also, isn't shipping from the US to Europe in general rather expensive?
Would they really be willing to ship a t-shirt?
 
@NickstandswithUkraine ah, yes, sure, I meant "review incentives", no bribing here :)
@VLAZ heh, I don't think they can make good on the promise in my case
 
(current geopolitical situation notwithstanding)
 
10:50 AM
I think they can, they're not doing business with you and it's not a luxury good
but IANAL
also the sanctions are changing so rapidly who knows anymore
 
I mean not legally, but logistically - many delivery services stopped working with Russia lately
 
Can you imagine the uproar on Meta if they realise SO is sending t-shirts to Russia? Thus incentivising rocket programmers.
 
I guess they could send it with Russian Post, but then I'd probably get it in 6 to 8
@VLAZ lol
 
 
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12:09 PM
> im 99% sure i have written the correct code but keep getting returned "unexpected token "{" "
How is it that you're 99% sure the syntax error you're getting doesn't exist?
This is not just about this singular example. It happens way too often - I see it a lot. "I'm sure it's correct but I have an error which says it's incorrect". Or another formulation that gets on my nerves: "Everything works very well-" (if it was you wouldn't be asking a question, right? Also usually looking at the code, it barely works) "-but I have a problem" (thus proving the "very well" part was a lie)
 
12:27 PM
@VLAZ well, usually, "everything works" is a direct stand in for "everything barely works" indeed :)
I guess it's just poorly formulated "according to my analysis, the code I wrote should work fine, but I do not exclude the possibility that I screwed up somewhere"
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine you can send several rockets for the t-shirts. There and back 😁
Hello, guys 👋
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine "Everything works - see the bus is running" said the bus driver, as the machine was rolling down a slope. The sound of the wheels on asphalt overpowering the complete silence of the missing engine "except this pedal here" the driver continued pointing at the breaks.
3
 
1:14 PM
@manro heh, I guess so :) Might solve the "1 billion dollar problem"
@VLAZ Bus Drivers SE: "help! Everything with my bus is working fine except for the breaks. It's urgent - it is rolling down the slope - any help will be greatly appreciated!"
> TO THE STACKOVERFLOW CREATORS
^ I am sorry to disappoint, but the creators do not work here anymore
 
Jeff, that's you
I mean, they don't but might still be interested in news about SO. I'm sure it's good news, right?
 
no, ofc
TO THE STACKOVERFLOW CREATORS: If it helps several users like @MichaelDelgado but an immense amount of others dislike it and get distracted from the actual use of the site, why not give us a simple optional switch in the settings? That way everybody's happy. but make everybody know about the setting of course, through a message similar to the 'welcome back'. — LuckyLuke Skywalker 52 mins ago
 
Switch for what?
Oh, the new buttons. I see.
Are the new buttons more friendly to colour-blind users?
I can't really tell. They seem to be the same to me. Same starting colour, same colour when pressed. Unless there is some extra accessibility thing I don't know. E.g., if you've opted into some colour-blind mode in the browser, the buttons do something extra.
 
1:30 PM
@VLAZ I don't think they really are - SE could just as well increase the contrast of the colors used (especially in dark mode). IMO, the real reason they are doing it is that they don't want to maintain 2 components and just use what they created for Teams/Collectives
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine where are my royalties for the idea? :-)
 
@manro I'll make sure to send a rocket specifically to your location :)
 
thanks so much! as a colorblind user I really appreciate the changes and attention to all visual impairments :) — Michael Delgado Jun 23 at 3:57
Well, this user seems to be under the impression the new buttons help.
 
the improvement is that the hover has a blue color - it is, indeed, friendlier to color-blind users.
 
I can't quite tell, though. And I do agree it's most likely to maintain one component.
 
1:33 PM
It still uses orange to indicate "active" state, so... I dunno
it is clearly so as they don't have to work on 2 components with accessibility as superficial justification, yea
whatever drives them, I guess. One clear improvement is that the new component removes the "pointer" cursor if you try to vote on your own posts (the older one does not)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine The what on hover?! May I just say that for something called "high contrast mode", there might not be sufficient contrast. Only now when you said that I noticed there is a very faint change on hover. I'd call it almost imperceptible, except I literally wasn't able to see it until you mentioned there should be something there.
 
@VLAZ wait... there should be a blue-ish fill on hover
 
Can't you see it? It's barely there.
 
I only saw it when you mentioned
the contrast is very screwed up
standard dark mode ^
 
In high contrast it changes the background from rgb(0, 0, 0) to rgb(0, 12, 20)
 
Sorry, it's from rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)
 
a clear screw-up, it's barely visible on your screenshot (not surprising given the actual values)
 
I literally didn't know it existed. You mentioned something about blue on hover and I had to look very closely when hovering to even notice it.
High contrast mode - it was made to be easy to see stuff in it...
 
not surprizing - I barely notice the change in color in your screenshot, and if you hadn't mentioned it, I would've assumed it is simply not there
 
2:01 PM
Have fun looking at the three screenshots.
 
@VLAZ I am starting to think the high contrast mode is not that high contrast /s
 
I'm starting to think, high contrast is not high in the priorities of SE.
 
ugh, I enabled the high contrast mode to check - yeah, it's extremely low-contrast
huh, I also missed the part when the announcement went to -90
 
Yep, just checked and it's -91 after my answer. I don't think it caused a downvote, I just remember the score was -90 when I started answering and saw it was -91 after.
 
2:23 PM
i don't quite understand what's so bad about this change (aside from the contrast issues in the mode they've clearly not tested this in)
 
2:34 PM
nothing necessarily, I don't even have a downvote or upvote on this one - it's a solid "meh", IMO
if SE does not want to maintain different components - sure, fire away. Although I did like the old aesthetic a bit more
 
i do have a preference for the old, as i feel it's somewhat of an iconic part of SO, but it't not that bad
generally though, not a fan of losing creative design for adhering to guidelines. Ideally we could meet in the middle more often than not.
 
yeah, nothing egregious in particular, a couple of bugs here and there (but it is business as usual these days with SE, so... meh). I guess the reception is due to folks viewing it as a completely unnecessary change
 
Some of the arguments are absurd, "it also maintains aesthetic cohesiveness between services" you mean, the other services were released with an aesthetic that doesn't match the existing services, and that repeated until it was justification to change SO
(that's also happened with the editor over and over, if you aren't keeping score)
 
translated to human speak, as I mentioned before: "we don't want to maintain 2 components, and we already made a new one for Teams, so..." :) Yeah, it's the other services that have been released with the styling not matching the existing one
yea, same goes for the new editor
 
2:51 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Same
It can be improved but it's not really bad.
The buttons should be made less obtrusive, IMO. However, that's not really a downvote reason for me.
 
visibly they look smaller, but take up more space
 
Sort of part of the problem.
 
but that's a common trend with newer SO designs
less content, more whitespace
 
The problem for me is drawing too much attention from posts. I do see the appeal over the old design, where it was somewhat hard to distinguish them as buttons but I think they went too much in the other direction.
Again, though, not really THAT bad.
 
What would a WCAG compliant knob slider look like
 
2:56 PM
Not good in high contrast mode, heyooo!
But yeah, not sure.
 
it would be not a knob slider
since they're inherantly a poor design for accessibility purposes
 
@VLAZ yeah, I just don't think user engagement isn't a design problem in this case. Other than that, it's indeed a "meh" change, not sure what happened
 
What happened is probably rolling out yet another change in Beta. To A/B test it. That annoys me. But for others, I think they are also attached to the old design. Which I don't blame them for - there is certain elegance to it. But as I said, it might be too unobtrusive. Finally, there is the lack of discussion. It's yet again something that is just imposed on SO.
 
guess so - however, it can be argued that the problem of users not realizing the buttons are supposed to be clickable is not a problem that should be solved by making sure the buttons jump at your from all angles. All we end up with is more uneducated votes in the best-case scenario. Have I mentioned that it is solved with a required interactive tour?
 
eh, they rolled out this change a year ago with collectives
 
3:09 PM
wasn't it with the rollout of Teams?
 
dunno, i've never seen anything inside a team
I despise how it affects SO's layout and isn't it's own separate thing
 
 
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4:18 PM
-89 now. It's climbint (or descending, if you prefer) fast.
I guess it's because it's a Monday
 
4:41 PM
maybe we need a "fat finger" mode in addition to high contrast
 
4:52 PM
Why are you mocking me?
 
 
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7:14 PM
imagine releasing a flawed design across multiple paid products and just assuming they were good because no one was complaining, only to be informed that it's full of bugs when released to the wider public
what a disservice
 
 
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10:25 PM
Hello, guys
 
10:48 PM
😭
 

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