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Sam
12:00 AM
 
12:32 AM
@Kyll Faster than making beer!
 
1:04 AM
Would "How to Ask" be more effective as "What to Answer"?
 
I've been away a while... are we OK with promoting our answers in here, now?
 
No, we're not
 
So, @QPaysTaxes, let's not be doing that. (mischief managed)
 
@QPaysTaxes #6 under "Be responsible with moderation requests" in the FAQ.
 
1:16 AM
@QPaysTaxes It's probably a miscommunication thing; I had no idea that's what you were asking
 
Could be a fuzzy line, I guess. Once up/down votes appear, though, the appearance can matter.
 
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@Mogsdad nice to see you mogs :D
 
\o Y!
 
Well, it's time for dinner now. I'll see you tomorrow, most likely.
It's great to see you, @Mogs! It's been a while!
 
You too!
It's nice to have time again...
 
1:29 AM
Any initial opinions on this (above)?
Yeah, I'm considering asking a question for it.
Just thought it might be good to do a kind of private screening.
Maybe as a supplement?
Right now, all we're doing is telling a mouse not to ask for a cookie.
Bit of a mixed message, telling people not to ask certain questions but then giving them upvotes and answers if they do.
But only sometimes. It's inconsistent, really.
At least three times in the past week, my explanation of "this is not a tutoring/coding service" has been met with a reply of "oh, I didn't know that."
@QPaysTaxes I've been considering a Meta question about that, too. It'd be nice to be able to route such questions to more appropriate venues.
I just worry that "it looks like you need a tutor, which is off-topic here, but go to xyz dot com instead and hire me as a tutor" would give the appearance of SO turning into That Other Site.
Perhaps I will.
 
2:10 AM
Looks like How To Answer already has a section on "Answer well-asked questions." Good thing I didn't ask about that on Meta.
 
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I wonder if @EdCottrell is sleep plopping again
 
@YvetteColomb plop
 
user3956566
lol
 
@EdCottrell RUN RUN RUN! YOU JUST BECAME A SPEARREL O_O
 
user3956566
@AshishAhuja it's ok, he's just sleep talking
 
2:24 AM
heh :p
@fire alive?
it seems to be halted. Hold on, I'll hard reboot
 
3:06 AM
Hello all
 
@4castle \o
 
3:29 AM
@AshishAhuja also, the username is quite similar to a familiar username ..
 
@AshishAhuja yeah, but I doubt it's him
 
@NobodyNada I agree
 
I disabled TLSv1 on my mail server... I like the danger :D
@QPaysTaxes I had TLSv* enabled, now I only have 1.1, 1.2 variants
Right now, the only worry is those connections from localhost
> postfix/smtpd[29708]: Anonymous TLS connection established from localhost[127.0.0.1]: TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)
I hope that it breaks soonish enough
Well, figured out what they were
Me
Testing
sudo zegrep "TLS connection established from.*with cipher" /var/log/mail.{err,warn,info,log} | grep 'TLSv1.1' | grep -v 'people I don't care about' | wc -l = 0 too
Guess which other I would be disabling :D
well, I was too lazy to press shift+enter... and format it as output
 
3:52 AM
it confused me too for a while, but I just noticed the grep command has the -v flag
TIL about zgrep
that's more confusing IMO
maybe # prints 0
 
sudo zegrep "TLS connection established from.*with cipher" /var/log/mail.{err,warn,info,log} | grep 'TLSv1.1' | grep -v 'people I don't care about' | wc -l
0 # too
there, happy ¬_¬
#¬_¬
 
@Braiam I first thought the -v stood for --version till I saw the man page realising that --version was -V >_>
 
--help, -h, and -? is annoying too
 
@QPaysTaxes exactly.
 
especially since a lot of scripts only implement one
 
3:58 AM
@QPaysTaxes I've not seen either
 
@QPaysTaxes POSIX solved that
> -v === --version except where backwards compatibility doesn't allow it, in those cases -V === --version
 
they solved that in the sense you can ignore both of those and just use --version
@QPaysTaxes I'm sure I've seen it before, but I can't remember an example off the top of my head
@JasonC I can't see what's unclear about it
 
Read awk man about -v :D
 
> My method is intended to return false if any of the words in the string array "skoal" are in the string "zach"
 
@NobodyNada I think that question is the equivalent to @JasonC as the following "can you see what's wrong in my code" *sends a image of a sandwich*
 
4:07 AM
@Braiam meh, the code makes sense to me and I understand what the problem is
 
Could you edit it?
 
the code's not written very legibly, but it's understandable
@Braiam Sure
 
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@rene I ended up having to reinstall windows -_-
 
@YvetteColomb again?
or is that the same time?
 
@YvetteColomb Windows 10?
 
user3956566
4:08 AM
@NobodyNada yes
 
user3956566
@Braiam yes
 
user3956566
I've had to reinstall it 3 times in the past few weeks'
 
user3956566
once from a blue screen
 
@YvetteColomb sigh...
 
user3956566
insane
 
4:08 AM
You sure isn't hardware failure?
 
@YvetteColomb you must have been frustrated ...
 
user3956566
I've been up all night, I kept setting a timer while I was waiting for things to load, so I could nap
 
@YvetteColomb sigh...
 
@NobodyNada @qpay Found one on the web: mysql -?
 
user3956566
@Braiam I think this pc is buggy. Though they're bugs that have a billions questions on the interwebs
 
user3956566
4:09 AM
visual studio
 
user3956566
@AshishAhuja yep, but so tired
 
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@QPaysTaxes hi Gramps :D
 
@QPaysTaxes I don't think so. I guess I'm younger than most here
 
@QPaysTaxes AFAIK opa is big brother of a girl
girls' big brother: opa; boys' big brother: hyung
O_O
korean here
 
@QPaysTaxes I wouldn't want to disclose that though, but you can guess that..
@QPaysTaxes you know German?
eh :p
@QPaysTaxes I'm much younger than that, for sure.
@QPaysTaxes cries
I'll eat your food instead of stepping on it. munch munch
@QPaysTaxes eew, unicorn food tastes horrible, how do you survive on it
anyway, afk
 
4:18 AM
@NobodyNada It's very unclear, in a weird and confusing way that isn't apparent at first.
stackoverflow.com/questions/43083906/… is the best way I was able to put it into words.
 
I wrote an "answer to poor question" boilerplate. I can hardly wait to use it.
 
Good evidence is the fact that all of the answers look right at first, but don't actually lead to the desired outcome described in the problem statement (there is nothing that becomes "false if any of the words in the string array 'skoal' are in the string 'zach'."). Also both of the answers initially had the wrong return value in the part they did address because of the double negative in the description.
It's actually one of the more fascinatingly weird questions I've read in a long time. I'm kind of enjoying trying to put my finger on what's wrong with it, heh.
 
As stated in How to Answer, please avoid answering unclear, overly-broad, or duplicate questions. Write-my-code requests and low-effort homework questions are off-topic for Stack Overflow and more suited to professional coding/tutoring services. Good questions adhere to How to Ask, include a [mcve], have research effort, and
have the potential to be useful to future visitors. Answering inappropriate questions harms the site by making it more difficult to navigate and encouraging further such questions, which can drive away other users who volunteer their time and expertise.
 
@TigerhawkT3 nice!
 
I guess some magic links don't work in chat. I hope they work in comments.
 
4:22 AM
Also I'm pretty sure that OP just replied to one of my comments on one answer in the comment section of a different answer. So much confuse.
@TigerhawkT3 You can test at meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3122/formatting-sandbox if you want
 
@JasonC confusion all around!
 
@QPaysTaxes In the question NobodyNada asked me about earlier, which is fascinatingly confusing to me.
Ha
 
@NobodyNada It doesn't mention off-site resources, but that kind of answer isn't as much of an epidemic.
 
@QPaysTaxes Pretty sure stackoverflow.com/questions/43083906/… is a reply to stackoverflow.com/questions/43083906/…. If not, then, it's still confusing, just in a different way.
Ok I'm closing that tab before my head asplode.
 
First use, yay!
\o/
onebox of Borat doing a thumbs-up, captioned "Great Success" in Impact font
 
4:28 AM
@TigerhawkT3 I need a template for "nobody understands your stack trace, because your code doesn't magically gain line numbers when you paste it, but thanks for trying".
 
@JasonC Is that for languages where the error message just tells you the kind of problem and the line number, without reproducing the content of the line of code in question?
In theory, the errors should be the same (substantively, anyway).
@QPaysTaxes Uh... what if, indeed? It'll point out the first problem, then you fix that, then it'll crash on the second, etc.
 
@TigerhawkT3 Yeah. Stack traces in Java are particularly problematic. A user that pastes a wall of code and a stack trace without indicating where the exception occurred in the code. Or a user that pastes a snippet of code from like a 100,000 line source file with essentially random line numbers.
@QPaysTaxes Java does in exception stack traces.
 
Do compiled languages give you an error message pointing out multiple errors?
I'm spoiled with Python. It not only tells you the line number, not only shows you the content of the line, but often tells you exactly how to fix the problem.
 
@QPaysTaxes My function is isNotHorse(x,y) which should return false if none of the animals in a isn't not in b, but I'm trying it with a unicorn and it doesn't work, even if I substitute unicorn for pony. Here is my code, thanks.
 
You forgot to mention that it's due tomorrow, so would we please hurry.
 
4:33 AM
Oh sweet I think I accidentally was finally able to describe why that question was unclear.
Does it?
@QPaysTaxes I see what you did there. Unless you didn't do it, in which case, pretend you did, because awesome.
 
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user image
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Can't repro.
 
4:55 AM
Heh
I love seeing smackdowns like that. I wish there somehow was a place for it somewhere, but alas.
 
@tripleee Both deleted. I feel for the teaching assistant. They can't track down the real people who posts those questions, so there isn't much else they can do to get their message across.
 
thanks (-: I somehow thought there was a third one but if there was one, I can't find it
 
If this is some big official test thing, maybe the issue should be raised on Meta, so proctors/employees can be informed about more effective strategies (like raising a custom flag).
 
@TigerhawkT3 or indeed posting on meta
 
Well, what they should do, is blast an email out to all their students / post a notice somewhere on their own system. But a meta post would probably not be uncalled for.
 
4:59 AM
@QPaysTaxes That might encourage more cheating from students who'll do anything to get a leg up.
 
Unfortunately nobody gave AQAJames any of those suggestions in comments before deleting. I actually just now tried to find some contact info for him but only found a LinkedIn profile.
 
The best solution is physical violence.
 
@JasonC I was thinking the same thing
 
@JasonC I'd be pretty surprised if there wasn't already a whole bunch of stuff that each student has to read and agree to about academic dishonesty. The students' behavior might not be solvable; changing the teachers' behavior would be more effective.
 
5:00 AM
@QPaysTaxes that's a neat idea!
@QPaysTaxes "accidentally?"
 
@QPaysTaxes I had my hopes up until I mouse-overed the message, lol.
 
Wawaweewa, I gotta walk to dinner before it's late.
 
@TigerhawkT3 \o
I've got to go to bed; see you tomorrow!
 
5:17 AM
@TigerhawkT3 Lol, ouch. I love how people think "I'm a beginner in coding" justifies "I also don't know how to ask people things".
 
@JasonC I suppose most don't. But there's enough of the rest to make this place very interesting.
And now I'm BRBing for real.
 
I also never can quite get my head around how people think it's easier to take a screenshot, crop it, upload and post it than it is to copy + paste text. I wonder if formatting code in the editor is the barrier.
4
 
5:59 AM
@SmokeDetector rude
Yes dear, I know
 
The following user's all andwer promote the use of easyTable component. Do you think that it is a spammer? stackoverflow.com/users/7780265/user7780265
 
6:28 AM
@SmokeDetector I went spam, as it doesn't even answer the question
 
@Adriaan teh anti-ninja
@Cerbrus anti-anti-ninja!
 
@tripleee I blame the cv-plz userscript :P
 
@Cerbrus yeah, been there, done that
 
6:52 AM
Morning \o
 
Hello, have a good day!
 
Hiya, same to u!
Are you a new guy in SOCVRtown?
 
 
7:49 AM
@SmokeDetector What should be the flagging reason?
(I've flagged NAA)
 
@Mistalis I flagged it as abusive, VLQ could have worked, NAA will do as well. I don't think there is debate if that needs to deleted and isn't salvagable in any way
 
@Mistalis meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/310177/…, I usually if user with rep (other posts) flag NAA if unregistered users like in this case abusive.
but NAA is never wrong
@Lankymart hmm question you answered ;)
 
@PetterFriberg yeah but Shadow flagged it unclear and I agree with them
@PetterFriberg probably best just being nuked
 
@Lankymart yeah break all the rulezzz and blame Shadow :D, just joking..
 
user3956566
 
@JonClements if mod flagged the answer, can you remove it as audit?
 
@YvetteColomb yeah I saw you sneak that one in ... :(
 
user3956566
8:14 AM
@rene hey it was to celebrate our one month anniversary of not having a fight :D
 
@PetterFriberg the thing is - there's no "hard" flags involved... had the flag that put it in the queue been handled by a mod they'd probably have been declined, but the new requirement that only 4x recommend deletions is required seems to be nuking posts that then end up as audit candidates...
 
@JonClements I did now ... what do you want me to do with it ... puzzled ...
 
@JonClements so a solution would be that I mod flag it and you undelete it, correct?
 
@YvetteColomb we barely made it then ;) congrats to both of us \o/
@JonClements ah, that makes sense now. So first step would be to not use posts that are deleted just by votes from the queue shouldn't end-up as audits.
I'm on a train that wobbles a lot ...
 
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@rene yay! champagne
 
8:21 AM
Haha
 
@YvetteColomb find a some glasses and on-box in some champagne
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg lol
 
@rene I've told you before... "Train Station" and "Theme Park" are different things... sighs :p
 
@JonClements I have left a comment (as did Petter)
 
user3956566
OMG that feeling of relief when you've been stuffing around with something for 24 hours and it appears it's all solved... please make appears==solved
 
8:30 AM
@YvetteColomb And that feeling of trepidation that it may not be fixed... :p
 
@rene thanks. Was wondering your thoughts on it is all as it involves reviewing etc...
@YvetteColomb as long as it's not one of those "I've just kept changing stuff until it works... and it looks like it works, but now I have no idea why!" kind of things :p
 
user3956566
@Henders IKr!!! It's deployed!!! yes yes yes yes yes!!!! omg I want to throw my body down at the steps of the Temple of the Programming Gods and kiss the ground
 
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@JonClements no I researched it. I re-installed windows (sob yes it's true) and its turned out to be this stackoverflow.com/a/22615314/3956566
 
user3956566
I needed to run the script in powershell not powershell ISE O>O
 
Ahh... I see the cause of your problems right there when you mention "windows"... :p
 
user3956566
8:33 AM
I feel light headed and giddy with relief
 
user3956566
@JonClements Tell me about it!!! AND Darth vader entrance music Visual Studio
 
user3956566
I really think we need a programming meme about windows and VS, likening it to the Dark Side of the force
 
VS is Force-neutral. It's just Hutt-sized.
 
user3956566
lmao!!!! bahahahahhahaha
 
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@TigerhawkT3 I couldn't breathe then I laughed so hard!
 
8:36 AM
:)
 
user3956566
I can see the Headlines MS VS now proves fatal
 
@YvetteColomb the last I looked Microsoft was "The Dark Side"
 
user3956566
@Lankymart whispers it is ....
 
@PetterFriberg undeleted one answer
 
waffle
 
8:45 AM
Yeah... tempted to re-delete just so the OP can save face from what appears to be a genuine attempt to help
 
it is an answer so it should not be deleted from LQP review queue, >20K users and mods ok
 
well, 20k users - yeah, definitely - that's a "natural" deletion
 
It would be good to speed up our dev on monitoring the review queue
 
Organic, free-range deletion.
 
@Baum and @Floern is looking into it.
@JonClements I'm wondering why did it not get an automatic mod flag it has 2 looks ok. stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/15552639
 
8:52 AM
just trying to think if mod deletions weight more heavily or should do... there's only 22 people (that aren't staff) who can undelete posts deleted by diamonds (which because they can do it unilaterally don't do so lightly) wondering if that should scream out to the system an audit case or if as most things that come up on meta - have been done so for "no apparent reason" there is one, but not one that's obvious and has been done so because of other things... arghh... tricky...
 
Plop!
 
@Kyll cabbage!
 
@Kyll Turnip
 
Having a post with 2 Look OK as an audit is a bit crazy...
 
just trying to remember what non-mods see on a timeline... you see the completed review queues, right?
 
8:55 AM
@JonClements Yes, however the review completed
grammarz.
 
but don't see the flag that put it in the queue (although it's easy to guess) or currently active reviews?
 
Afternoon everyone!
 
@JonClements: There's this user that's only ever suggested some docs changes, of which quite a significant amount are rejected. His name makes me think he's already got a different account on SO. Should I flag it for mod attention?
(possible sockpuppet, might be worth checking)
 

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