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5:11 PM
How come the edit queue has been full every now and again over the last week? I've never seen that before about a week ago...
 
@rene I see what you're doing there
 
@Henders I'm not sure why it is filling up. Until a couple weeks ago when I saw the issue on meta I didn't know there was one. I am partially to blame as I haven't reviewed in there for a while.
 
Yeah, I guess I need to get to 2k and exclusively review edits :P #
It still let me edit a whole post and then only tell me it was full when I clicked 'Save Edits'. Bit annoying because I don't want to throw it all away...
 
ot-su?
I'm no longer reviewing either. Too tedious.
I might get back to suggested edits if it helps them not be full
 
@JanDvorak it is a programming tool so I think here or SU are both on topic.
 
5:23 PM
Why should the compilation of bazel should differ from the compilation of other stuff?
 
Because bazel is a tool used primarily in programming?
 
Would a question how to create a shortcut to Netbeans in the start menu on-topic for SO?
 
@FireAlarm that's not a programming question...
@NathanOliver no
 
@JanDvorak No. Creating a shortcut is just an OS thing so it is a SU topic.
 
If I'm compiling emacs and I'm asking which libraries should I install, that's not a SO question... I'm not doing something that it's exclusive to software development. I would be a "power user" if anything, but nothing near programmer
 
5:30 PM
OK. Just found your meta answer too.
 
@NathanOliver so is installing software
 
5:42 PM
@Adriaan I'm not surprised, based on the discussion of my Q. But there's some major hurdles they'd have to clear to do that
 
@rene did you check Shog's comment below mine?
 
yes
 
Seems to be still being upvoted... people are under the impression that it's a valid constrain, which is misleading.
 
@Braiam if it bothers you that much ...
 
@Henders Sounds like you should just keep it in a tab until you can save the edit when the queue is not full. Or, did it dump the edit in addition to telling you the queue is full?
 
5:50 PM
We already have a president of a mayor world power spreading alt-facts... SO is one of the last bastions where facts don't alternate...
@FireAlarm I want a pony!
 
@Braiam Unrecognized command i want a pony; did you mean am i opted in?
6
 
¬_¬
 
^ old but was used as a dupe target
 
"Any language will let you shoot yourself in the foot. C++ will provide the gun, load the bullets, give you a drink to steady your hand, mount telescopic sights, and paint a large target on your foot" — Paul Tomblin Dec 22 '08 at 20:45
 
@rene needs one more
 
5:55 PM
swoop
 
@JanDvorak I also like C will let you shoot yourself in the foot. C++ will blow your whole leg off
 
Ah! I didn't expect a USB fried shrimp flying through here!
 
These things happen.
 
Am I crazy that I always think of the green hornet movie when Lynn is around?
 
I need to file links to these comments away somewhere safe.
o_O
 
5:57 PM
@JanDvorak wasn't that PHP?
 
PHP is a thin wrapper around C++
 
@Braiam Does telling FireAlarm that a question is not a programming question do anything? I've just been replying with [cv-pls] tags to test code which fetches the back-referenced question for the [cv-pls] (if it still exists in the chat transcript). Personally, I find using the Close Vote Generator script independent of the FireAlarm message to be much easier. To make the determination, I'm already on the question page. Creating the [cv-pls] with the script is just a few clicks.
 
Better yet - PHP is an HTML templating engine for C++.
 
@Makyen Try telling FireAlarm you want a pony.
 
@Braiam You did that. It doesn't appear to be effective. Cute, but not effective.
 
6:00 PM
@Makyen no, FireAlarm doesn't need any feedback.
I spent a while trying to figure out why FireAlarm was failing to load data from Redunda
Finally I figured it out:
let (data, response) = try client.get("https://redunada.sobotics.org/bots/data/\(name)?key=\(key)")
redunada.sobotics.org ugh...
 
That's strange, because FireAlarm, being self-learning, would benefit from feedback the most
 
@NobodyNada Thanks for confirming. That was my understanding.
 
@NobodyNada swift?
 
@Braiam yep
 
Btw, why no letsencrypt certficates for (redunada|.*).sobotics.org?
 
6:02 PM
@JanDvorak maybe, but 1) I trained it with the Stack Overflow data dump so I'm not sure any more data will help much
@Braiam because it's supposed to be redunda.sobotics.org
 
@NobodyNada my regex matches that domain :P
 
@NobodyNada If you want, it could just get feedback from if the question ended up with multiple close votes, closed, or deleted within 24 hours. Keep a list of reported questions. Then, check them 24 hours later (or whenever). That way would not require any explicit manual feedback.
 
@Makyen yep, I do that already to get stats
I may someday retrain the bot from the stats and see what that does for accuracy
 
To make you all happy: redunada.sobotics.org now redirects to redunda.sobotics.org :-P
 
@FelixSFD :p, am I not the first?
 
6:12 PM
@NobodyNada Yeah, if you already had a large corpus, it's unclear what having a relatively short amount of run time will do to help train. Assuming that is, that the primary issues have just been working out bugs, etc., rather than retraining, except, perhaps retraining from scratch as a batch. The new data would also be skewed, for a time, due to a ramp-up period as users got used to seeing FireAlarm reports and doing something about them.
 
@NobodyNada I don't know. But I read this discussion and decided to make the redirect for you :-D
 
 
I love the absolute absurdity of some questions posted here. stackoverflow.com/questions/42984031
 
there is an undelete vote there :|
 
@MattClark And you didn't catch a screenshot?
 
ahaha, for serious?
 
> I need to buy food for my mom but I don't know how. please help me. I need to give her food. i know how to buy water, but now food. i try a yellow card, but it didn't help. I have tried to go to a store, but they didn't like me. I tried java and android, but no. how to buy food
 
6:29 PM
@MattClark Yep.
 
I was about to when it went deleted. Apparently @NathanOliver can still grab it.
The comments are gold.
 
When I go to buy food, I always worry they'll not accept PHP...
 
@Machavity And no one reported it to Smokey? Slackers
 
I think I fixed the util anti-pattern
I moved it into a constants class, and static import the method everywhere =w=
 
> if you're using JavaScript store try localStore.getItem('food');
 
6:32 PM
But the store doesn't like him.
 
@MattClark you are just 250 rep away and you will see it again..
 
soooo close!
 
@NathanOliver He needs your motivational rep poster
 
:)
I'll get him next time
 
@MattClark 1 Jon-Skeet day
 
1 Jon-Skeet day = ~200-250 rep. :) lol
 
This is insane, I am looking through his rep tab now. He literally earns his daily rep in the first few hours of the day - he would have 10x more rep without the daily cap...
 
Nothing in life is constant except anyone_elses_rep / jon_skeets_rep < 1
 
@MattClark It's over 900,000!
 
6:45 PM
@MattClark Some fun "facts" about Jon Skeet: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/9134/jon-skeet-facts
 
He's got like 80 upvotes, today alone.
Hah, yeah, I've seen those. Reported a line wrapping issue caused by him at one point ;) meta.stackexchange.com/q/276362/205034
 
"Jon Skeet has more "Nice Answer" badges than you have badges" is actually true for most of us
 
:(
Nice Answer: × 7061
Oh... nearly as many badges, as i have rep..
 
He has more gold badges then I have total
 
> When Jon Skeet's code fails to compile the compiler apologises.
2
> When Jon Skeet points to null, null quakes in fear.
 
6:56 PM
@PetterFriberg lol
 
pulls the scratching post stump out of the floor and aggressively swings it around the room like a battering ram
 
7:15 PM
I roll acrobatics
 
@NathanOliver John Skeet does not collect gold badges. Gold badges collect John Skeets.
 
Installing update...
 
Jon Skeet does not make edits to correct mistakes. He makes edits to substitute our imperfect reality with his own.
 
Jon Skeet can reassign constants.
 
7:29 PM
> When Jon Skeet saves a file the file thanks him
4
 
Bah.
I didn't expect this much fanboy-ism when I mentioned his name ;)
 
@M.A.R. One does not simple mention his name. :P
 
7:47 PM
Jon Skeet's applications run because they are afraid of Jon Skeet.
 
The reason why Jon Skeet is so good is that he sold his soul to the devil. The price for such awesomeness is that any time someone references Jon Skeet, he gets an annoying notification that reads the reference aloud to him.
 
Rest his ears.
 
> Jon Skeet is a Senior Software Engineer at Google, working in London. He has been involved in the C# community since 2002, initially in newsgroups, then through his blog, user groups, international conferences and the Stack Overflow Q&A site. Jon enjoys putting the language through its paces, finding new and interesting ways to use and abuse it.
From where did Google got that?
 
@Fire notifications
 
From Amazon
 
7:55 PM
@Fire notified
 
@NobodyNada You will not be notified of any reports.
 
@Fire location
 
@NobodyNada I'm running on FelixSFD/MacBook
 
@Braiam maybe here
 
7:57 PM
at the bottom
 
TIL: do not look at the source code of amazon...
 
afk
 
Fix your lag, found it +30000ms before you all
 
Was going to say.. works at Google, where do you think they got the info ;)
 
Jon Skeet once looked at the source code of Amazon AWS. AWS was so embarrassed that it went out.
 
7:58 PM
@Braiam why is that?
 
@MattClark why wut?
 
TIL: do not look at the source code of amazon...
 
Installing update...
 
Why are you trying to get me remember suppressed memories?
 
Why did you bring it up ;)
 
8:02 PM
For my future self, to not make the same mistakes
 
Hah, embedded in the bottom of the source of [this page](https://www.amazon.com/C-Depth-3rd-Jon-Skeet/dp/161729134X)

```
<!-- _
.__(.)< (MEOW)
\___)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-->
```
RIP formatting.
 
Installing update...
Installing update...
 
@FireAlarm Installing update . . .
 
8:18 PM
Why am I seeing FireAlarm messages again
does Hide only work while they're in the room for that session?
 
@TylerH I think so. You should "ignore this user everywhere" to actually ignore it everywhere
 
@MattClark Usually you can get this stuff right by making it fixed font. Peoples here don't like large messages though
 
But I just want to ignore them in this room :-(
 
there's no middle ground to only ignore in one room afaik
 
Devs! Fix chat!
 
8:19 PM
@TylerH I never got to figure out how they work, but it has to be different from 'ignore' in some way.
But I thought it's for as long as you haven't clicked 'unhide'. Shrug
 
Installing update...
 
@FireAlarm Please wait . . .
 
@TylerH Not sure that's going to happen; it's only relevant for bots. Humans who flood the room you want to hide for a bit, irritable ones you want to ignore always. You'd rarely ever want to never hear from a person in one room, but discourse with them in others.
 
Installing update...
 
@Adriaan nah, I know a couple people who I'd like to ignore in specific chats as well
 
8:25 PM
@TylerH you mean ROs? :P
 
Take a leaf from Microsoft Edge's book; you've got to consider the long tail
@Adriaan shhhh :-P
don't let the flower hear you
 
Sorry about FireAlarm; it should be done now
I get to be TylerH today!
I'm at a hospital atm, and imgur is blocked
 
@NobodyNada can't you make it not post status messages here? The one's actually capable of doing something with that and are interested in those are already in the FA dev room
 
@Adriaan Yep, and Ashish did that for the updated completed messages, but not the installing update messages
I'll do that
Should be done now, after one more "Installing update" message
 
Installing update...
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8:37 PM
@NobodyNada you are at the hospital? Are you OK? I don't fancy you being wheeled into the operating theatre while still patching FireAlarm ....
 
Installing update...
 
I guess they are Ok then ...
 
@rene My dad's having kidney stone surgery
 
@NobodyNada Oh, send him my best wishes
 
@rene thank you
 
@rene Couldn't we make a bot to do this?
 
@NobodyNada good luck to your dad
 
@TylerH thank you!
@quartata it's already automated -- they click a button and a userscript does the work
 
@quartata bot has to have enough rep to be a room owner, which is a small problem
 
Why should they have to a click a button though :P
@TylerH A mod can fix that, actually.
 
8:44 PM
plus if the bot ever goes offline, we wouldn't have the ability
 
Well you wouldn't have to replace all the room owners with the bot.
They could still do what they're doing now if the bot went down somehow
It would be more of a cron job than a bot really.
 
so you trying to tell me that @rene is not a bot? I'm shocked. shocked I tell you.
 
@NobodyNada hug'em all from me, "In bocca al lupo" for you dad
 
@Nkosi Well....
 
@PetterFriberg thanks! btw, what does that mean? Google Translate is blocked here too
 
8:50 PM
@quartata The bot needs to RO, that have been the main reason that RO is still clicking...
 
@PetterFriberg But mods can grant RO to users with less than 100 rep.
 
...Google is blocked here? what?
 
I know this because a bot of mine has a !trash command
 
@NobodyNada google or google translate, specifically?
 
@TylerH both
 
8:51 PM
probably security then
because you can access anything with google
 
ah, because of the cache
but they don't block the Internet Archive
 
they probably aren't aware of it
we had a user fired here because he was looking at adult material via google image search
 
@NobodyNada same as en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Break_a_leg, in Italy to wish good luck you say "In the mouth of the wolf", the response is ""Crepi il lupo!", "May the wolf die".
 
clever enough to get around the filter, not clever enough to know he shouldn't be doing it
 
@Lankymart this have been edited is it ok?, should we reopen? stackoverflow.com/questions/42923471/hta-table-weirdness (it was one of your cv req)
 
9:01 PM
@quartata we have the policy that no bot will run here with RO privileges.
 
Installing update...
 
sorry; I'm updating Felix's instance now
 
How many are there?
 
@rene 5
3 are updated already
Felix's is refusing to update for some reason
 
user1593881
Hello all.
 
9:03 PM
ola
 
\o @RawN
 
user1593881
Long time no see.
 
o/
 
@rene rationale?
 
9:03 PM
@JanDvorak skynet
:)
 
@JanDvorak I don't even trust myself with those privileges
 
@rene robots are more reliable than you
 
First you start giving them responsibilities next they gonna want an allowance.
 
Any RO must be expected to fulfill these expectations socvr.org/faq#expectations-for-room-owners
 
Until a bot can do all of them, it won't receive RO privs
 
@rene ooh, it moves FireAlarm's messages also? cool!
 
@NobodyNada yeah, I'm carefully testing my changes
 
@TylerH well queen is fairly good at "Reels in conversation if it gets out of hand."
 
I don't want to move the complete transcript to the Graveyard
 
9:06 PM
should they add 9. must be human ?
 
@rene That would be...inconvenient.
 
user1593881
@drew If you are still looking for a remote C++ dev please let me know.
 
user1593881
On the bright side, what's new on SO? I miss my desktop machine. Relocation and work... Grrr.
 
user1593881
9:14 PM
Have bots taken over?
 
No, don't worry, it is just me
 
user1593881
Haha, nice.
 
Rene has officially taken over this chat now.
 
user3956566
 
user3956566
9:21 PM
@rene what are you doing?
 
@YvetteColomb moving stuff to the Graveyard?
 
user3956566
@rene I'm concerned about the mass carnage :/
 
@YvetteColomb it is an answer but hardly for that question and if it finds a better question it would still be low quality and kind of useless
 
user3956566
@rene flag worthy?
 
@YvetteColomb yeah, so am I. That is why run small batches so I can stop if something goes wrong... I don't want all of us end up in the graveyard ...
@YvetteColomb no, it needs one delete vote to be gone
 
user3956566
9:26 PM
@rene precisely O>O
 
@YvetteColomb GAH. It wasn't at -3. Friggin reopen
 
@PetterFriberg it's been answered and accepted so it doesn't matter really but to be honest, I wouldn't call that "minimal".
 
user3956566
@Machavity crazy
 
@YvetteColomb Just didn't read it (had 2 votes and is in the same spot)
 
user3956566
9:40 PM
@Machavity you voted to reopen? lolol
 
user3956566
can you retract reopen votes?
 
@rene Just out of curiosity: What are the new, additional criteria? I would guess FireAlarm posts to now-closed/deleted questions and/or too old (both YAY!). Anything else?
 
user3956566
relevant @TylerH
 
@Makyen yeah, that and anyone who replied with a cv-pls to a firealarm post
 
user3956566
This is too broad. If you vote to reopen it, be prepared to end up in meta justifying why you voted this way. — Yvette Colomb 8 secs ago
 
9:42 PM
@YvetteColomb Nope. Reopen and Delete can't be retracted
 
user3956566
@Machavity you voted to reopen?
 
@YvetteColomb Yeah :(
I also voted down and delete
 
user3956566
I added that comment to stop robo reviewers from voting without reading (not having a dig at you @Machavity - for the review queue)
 
user3956566
@Machavity lol
 
user3956566
I've done similar
 
9:43 PM
@YvetteColomb soooo tempting....
 
what happens to the delete votes if it's reopened?
 
user3956566
@Makyen lol I'll take you to meta by the ear :D
 
user3956566
@NobodyNada Good question!
 
@YvetteColomb :D
 
user3956566
wow quick service 1 min
 
user3956566
9:44 PM
Done. :thumbs_up: — animuson ♦ 1 min ago
 
@NobodyNada they stay
 
user3956566
 
Is there a way to opt out of pings for a specific post or user or something?
 
I can't believe FireAlarm's reported that much
 
user3956566
9:46 PM
@NobodyNada yeh there's some scripts somewhere, to hide users. You can ignore them everywhere in chat and that will stop pings
 
@NobodyNada ctrl+w does that
 
@YvetteColomb not chat though
@rene but that doesn't stop the inbox notifications
 
user3956566
@NobodyNada it will stop ping notifications to your inbox from everywhere
 
@YvetteColomb really? that's cool!
@Fire notified
 
user3956566
@NobodyNada yep
 
9:47 PM
@NobodyNada You will be notified of reports tagged , , or , blacklisted usernames, or misleading links.
 
user3956566
@NobodyNada do we need a command, delete or remove to remove recent posts like the one I just got?
 
@NobodyNada I'm searching 1000 messages per batch that is roughly a day or two.
 
user3956566
@Machavity I'm out of votes :'(
 
@YvetteColomb maybe -- I don't think it's terribly important though
 
user3956566
9:50 PM
@NobodyNada it's the mass graveyarding that made me think of it
 
user3956566
Can we move the Graveyard requests to graveyard :D
 
user3956566
endless loop
 
@YvetteColomb yes
 
9:51 PM
and it's probably a good idea to do, once rene's done
 
but then we would still be left with at least one
there will always be one. lol
 
@Nkosi you can edit that one
 
9:56 PM
what's with the stars?
that's annoying, it clogs the starboard
 
@NobodyNada It's rene's show. He can star if he wants to
 
@Machavity it's not rene, since he can't star his own message
Thank you
 
10:34 PM
@NobodyNada the answerer made a pretty solid guess at the meaning
 
@NobodyNada actually RO's can
See ^
 
by pinning and unpinning like that?
 
Yep
And then you have to use a user script to remove it.
 
does "cancel stars" not work?
 
Oh, let me try
Yes, yes it works
 
11:10 PM
meta.stackexchange.com/questions/230696/… - rene's got a userscript in there some of you folks might find useful. Shows a banner if you've followed a link to a deleted comment or answer.
 
Is this abusive? I'm sensing a troll.
 
not sure, closed
 
@4castle Meh, let's just close it.
 
Lol there's a suggested edit
 
@4castle I don't find your comment there particularly constructive btw, it's either just useless or feeding the troll.
 
11:17 PM
@BaummitAugen I posted that comment pretty certain that it was a troll post. I just put that there so others would notice the problem.
 
@4castle But what where you trying to achieve? Close votes? Would come anyways. Abuse flags? Then say so.
 
@BaummitAugen I wasn't sure how it should be dealt with, I just wanted to make sure people noticed.
 
@4castle I don't quite see what exactly people would notice they wouldn't notice without the comment.
But no need to overanalize this I guess, it was not really harmful in the end.
 
When I first saw the post, I was about to downvote and move on, thinking it was just a homework request, but when I read to the end, I saw there was more to it.
 
Downvote, closevote, move on, what more does that post need? If it needs more than that, clearly state what and why.
If it needs fast closure, . But I still don't see how that comment is useful.
 
11:24 PM
It was my signal to others that they should consider flagging as abusive.
 
There is an odd extra image in the source. No apparent relation to the bogus question.
 
Hm ok.
 
11:38 PM
Yeah on SO I'm usually inclined to go with "stupid" over "troll".
 
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