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user4639281
6:00 PM
@M.A.R. I actually downsized to 6 and it didn't change anything
 
Oh, that's who we can blame.
 
!!/blame
 
@Machavity It's Sotirios Delimanolis's fault.
 
user4639281
@Machavity Opera switched to blink instead of presto, so now it's just about the user interface and extras
 
user4639281
I like it for the built-in adblocker and free vpn
 
6:01 PM
Does someone here have experience with the Android version of Opera?
 
Also I know you're a John, John.
 
user4639281
@JanDvorak I use it regularly
 
Your anonymity is forever destroyed. MWAAHAHAHA and paying taxes doesn't help
 
@M.A.R. What's a John John?
Wait, if John John uses Blink...
 
@Machavity I used a comma. No cheating ಠ_ಠ
 
6:02 PM
"shows ads", really?
 
user4639281
@JanDvorak ?
 
@QPaysTaxes There's a whole movie about you. Feel important
 
Currently I'm using Brave, but it doesn't seem that good at blocking ads.
 
user4639281
@JanDvorak Says "blocks ads" for me...
 
user4639281
6:05 PM
I've never seen an ad when using it. It also has tablet mode which shows a tab bar.
 
That, too. Perhaps they mean the irremovable news feed next to the speed dial.
 
user4639281
possibly that
 
user4639281
This ram usage keeps creeping up, it's at 38% now
 
Yuck
 
@QPaysTaxes Shrug I was kidding anyway
 
6:14 PM
@Machavity not seriously, surely
 
> Welcome to <browser>! Now that we've got your email, would you like to check out our presence in the social media? [1] [2] [3]
 
user4639281
Switched to the stable version of opera, lets see if that changes anything.
 
user4639281
6:34 PM
That ram is still creeping up there
 
user4639281
43% now
 
Ditch opera, move to chrome
 
user4639281
Watching the resource monitor, not interacting with the browser, 4 tabs open, one is chat, another is youtube, and two are static pages, the graph just keeps going up.
 
user4639281
 
I blame Youtube
 
6:49 PM
Does Opera have a safe/private mode?
@DavidRawson add tag: before the text
aka [tag:cv-pls] becomes
 
no worries
 
@TylerH Nah. I know people use it. Almost a cult-like following. But since it's now run off Blink it's more like Operome
 
user4639281
@TylerH yup
 
@Machavity yeah but they're not serious
because they're using Opera twelve
Anyone using Opera versions higher than that is literally using Chrome with a diff skin
props to me I learned what a .NET method overload was today
I would not know but I would assume yes
 
6:58 PM
@TylerH That's when you give it bad input and it blows up right?
 
where you can have methods with the same name but different sets of parameters
in order to reduce code complexity
@QPaysTaxes yes
just happened to be in .NET
Sorry X-D
Never attribute to craftiness what can be explained by ignorance :-P
 
Overloading is nice
 
@QPaysTaxes If you ask a .NET developer they probably will say it is special
 
Use it in C++ all the time
 
@QPaysTaxes Look at you, Skeet shooting :P
 
7:01 PM
@Machavity pew pew
Any gun used to shoot Skeet, according to Skeet's Law, has already been programmed to misfire when aimed and fired in his direction.
(Skeet's Law ignores whether the device in question was previously programmable or not. If it was not, Skeet's Law makes it so)
 
@TylerH Nah. When you shoot at him he falls backwards in slow motion so you miss him completely
 
@Machavity that's only when it happens at a party
so he can show off to folks
Error: my programming does not account for this level of resistance. Please contact @Sam for repairs
Reminds me of type safety in enums
 
Sam
:p
 
which is why JavaScript is great; just use === for comparisons and you never have to worry about type safety
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leave it, still POB ^
 
user4639281
@TylerH ["one", "two"][+!!"Not falsey"]; screw type safety
 
user4639281
7:13 PM
Yup that was a bad question
 
7:26 PM
:)
Now, do you sneeze sprinkles for that ice cream?
lol
Your hoof doesn't auto clean?
That's an oddly specific amount of sprinkles.
 
user4639281
81% ram and I haven't looked at the computer since my last message
 
user4639281
lol, trying chrome now
 
He sees the light
 
user4639281
7:50 PM
Interestingly, Opera is offering their VPN as a plugin for chrome, but you get a limited amount of data allowed, and you have to pay for unlimited
 
What's that for; to bypass national firewalls?
 
user4639281
The company I works for blocks pretty much everything useful.
 
and they let Opera's VPN through?
 
user4639281
Yup
 
user4639281
The IT guys have never heard of a proxy or VPN before
 
user4639281
8:00 PM
Chrome is sitting steady at 14%, no change.
 
user4639281
same pages open
 
14% of what?
 
user4639281
16gb of ram in use
 
awesomeness
 
user4639281
Opera has memory leaks. It would creep slowly up to 99% then crash.
 
8:01 PM
@TinyGiant 2.24 GB? How many tabs do you have open?
 
@NobodyNada Please include a link to the question in your [cv-pls]. The scripts generally ignore requests without a link to the question. They don't follow back references to other chat messages.
 
user4639281
That's total system
 
@Makyen we allow both forms
 
It's true that the scripts won't get that though...should we do something about that?
 
yeah ...
@NobodyNada this weekend I'll have a look
 
user4639281
8:03 PM
~8% is not the browser (that's the baseline when the browser is closed)
 
@rene cool, thanks!
@TinyGiant Oh, I thought Chrome was using all of that
 
@QPaysTaxes Yes. At least for UnclosedRequestReview.user.js. Without at least the text indicating the question ID (in the form of a link), the request is deleted from the list shown. There is no code to follow links to another message.
@NobodyNada No. The scripts should not follow links to other messages.
 
I'll look into that as well.
@Makyen why not?
 
user4639281
Seems simple enough. Just add a regex for requests with links to chat messages
 
@Makyen this one is edited but I'm not sure for the better ...
 
8:19 PM
@NobodyNada I will shortly have an update to UnclosedRequestReview.user.js which will probably help. It adds question status (close votes/closed/deleted) to the chat Example and adds show/hide/sort to the search results.
 
user4639281
I'm glad someone has time to work on that stuff
 
@TinyGiant I've been procrastinating on doing other things :-). Coding is much more fun.
 
user4639281
:)
 
@FireAlarm hmm...it could be TB, but I think it's okay
 
@rene Thanks for telling me. I'm going to need to take a detailed look at that. But it certainly isn't an auto-close as no-MCVE anymore. If you want to delete the request, I'm OK with that. I can re-request after taking a more detail look, if it still has problems.
 
8:26 PM
@Makyen moved out of the transcript, for now
 
I'm multitasking right now, and I accidentally pasted an essay into my terminal
 
>:-(
 
user4639281
Mushroom cloud, Hoorah!
 
9:10 PM
@FireAlarm OP just self-answered; still needs one more vote
 
^ no idea if I'm doing this right
I'm trying to clean up the codeviewer.org questions/answers as mentioned in meta.stackoverflow.com/q/345443
@QPaysTaxes o right, went to my inbox to get to the question and copied that link, but that's obviously the wrong one, fixed it
I was adviced to edit out the codeviewer links, though some questions are pretty hard to edit because they're crappy already and editing out the links of those old questions triggers errors (for example because the question has "problem" in the title), should I put an effort to fix that title or just close it anyways? For example: stackoverflow.com/questions/5449649/…
 
9:33 PM
@g00glen00b We have a userscript for that: rawgit.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/UserScripts/master/…
 
o/ [lurking.....]
 
All that's required is [tag:cv-pls] <reason> <post link>
@Nkosi \o
 
@NobodyNada Yeah I'm using that one right now
 
@g00glen00b oh, great! The deleted user and the "no idea if I'm doing it right" threw me off :p
 
9:38 PM
@TigerhawkT3 \o
:)
@TigerhawkT3 done
 
@Nkosi \o/
Maybe we can get one more:
malevolent cackle
 
lol
poof
 
I found out today that YouTube is giving me an ungift in a few weeks. :(
 
user4639281
@g00glen00b I've also got a barely tested beta version that needs bug testers.
 
user4639281
 
@TinyGiant Ok, I'm using the script now. Looks like it generates a timestamp as well.
 
user4639281
The previous version did as well
 
o right, facepalm
 
user4639281
This one removes a lot of complexity from the code which was caused by the room list, and is basically a complete rewrite of what was left over. The next step is to make it work for answers and to allow selecting different types of requests.
 
user4639281
It's pretty well set up for that, I just havent enabled the functionality yet
 
10:04 PM
Hiya o/
 
user4639281
So, case closed, opera has memory leaks where chrome does not. Using chrome, I have not gone over 17% memory usage (of 16gb), and it has fluctuated between 14% and 17%, where using opera with the same pages in the same manner would cause the memory usage to slowly creep to 99%.
 
user4639281
Though, the CPU usage is higher with chrome than with opera. Using opera it usually sits around 10% - 15%, whereas with chrome it is 20% - 30%
 
@TinyGiant Sounds like it's time to file a bug.
 
user4639281
I would do that, if I could bring myself to report a bug. I have an aversion to reporting bugs, no idea why.
 
user4639281
:P
 
10:17 PM
@TinyGiant Well, I can understand that. I sometimes avoid it, for various reasons. But, if you want something to get fixed, it's hard for the developers to do so without at least knowing about the problem (not that they shouldn't have already been checking for memory leaks).
 
user4639281
I think it comes from making bug reports in the linux world, where a lot of what you're reporting bugs on is not actively maintained, otherwise it wouldn't have so many damn bugs :P
 
If I happen to be viewing someone's profile and come across ten posts of theirs that are downvote-worthy, do I downvote those posts?
 
@TinyGiant But at least with linux you can just fix the problem and recompile the kernel, if you so choose.
 
Sam
@TigerhawkT3 No, it would get auto-reversed. I'd generally advise to only vote on posts that you find organically.
 
Hm. I guess I should've asked beforehand.
@QPaysTaxes That is exactly what I did.
I don't know if you're calling me incompetent or a liar, but neither is appreciated. Laters.
 
10:28 PM
@rene We could follow back-links to get the original message, but the orig. message is not in the SO search results currently used (tagged/cv-pls). I've been considering using a more generic search (e.g. tagged/) to be looser wrt. request format. If so, we'd need to load multiple search result "pages" (max delivered requests/page is 100, which is too few real hits w/o a semi-targeted search). After getting data from multiple pages we could then consolidate the hits into one result set.
 
user4639281
@Makyen You can request chat.stackexchange.com/messages/<room_id>/<message_id> to get the raw text of the message
 
user4639281
But regardless, I'm going to move away from the search entirely once I've finished my request library
 
user4639281
I'll basically be combining the review script with the archiver script, and only enabling the archiver functionality if the user is a mod or room owner
 
@QPaysTaxes True, which is why I back-peddled my original generic statement, and restated. Particularly when, from a personal view, I had only really put it on the back burner, rather than actually dismissing it. My original statement was insufficiently nuanced.
 
Sam
@QPaysTaxes The request will fail. I forget the exact response.
 
10:38 PM
@TinyGiant That's good to know. I was looking for something along those lines, but did not see access to chat messages in the SE API docs. Given that I, assumed, access did exist in some form, I was figuring I was going to have to look at how others did it, or try to find some other documentation.
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
There are a bunch of other useful unliked urls not listed there that I have found throughout my travels if you're ever looking for something
 
user4639281
I should probably suggest an edit with all of that information at some point.
 
Sam
@Yam stats
 
Yam
I'm currently watching 388 posts.
 
10:45 PM
@TinyGiant Thanks for the link. Yes, please, do edit that answer with any new/additional information you have. Just off the top of my head there are a couple/few which I can see are missing from that list.
 
user4639281
The best way I can think of to create a request API would be to have a Node.js application that listens to chat and maintains a list of requests that can be requested in JSON format.
 
@TinyGiant That sounds like it would work. I assume you've already looked at how the chat page code receives notifications of new chat messages, and would duplicate that?
 
user4639281
Yep
 
11:09 PM
@QPaysTaxes Yes, to an extent. What would be needed depends on available resources, and how robust you are wanting it to be, etc. (e.g. how widespread you expect usage to be, the purpose for which you are keeping this info, etc.).
 
user4639281
@QPaysTaxes when the messages are moved to the graveyard, they can be removed from the list.
 
user4639281
And you only need to keep references to requests, not all messages
 
@QPaysTaxes A) don't watch new room (are we talking watching all chat rooms in general or only SOCVR and, perhaps, selected others?); B) recognizes high sustained non-human message rate from single individual (or multiple), ignores user; C) to reduce space could just store message IDs, and retrieve the messages later; D) can just set a max capacity on the size of the message storage, and drop old ones (DOS effectively results in older messages being dropped, which could be the intent); etc.
@QPaysTaxes I haven't looked at the current chat room code, but I'd be surprised if it was getting notifications for rooms which are not specifically requested (i.e. the room that is currently open in the tab).
 
user4639281
11:36 PM
@Makyen I would set it to monitor one room. There aren't enough active requests in here at any given point in time for there to be an issue. Everything older than three days gets moved regardless of status.
 
user4639281
Everything will be written generic enough that other rooms could use it.
 
@TinyGiant Good. I had thought you were talking about monitoring only SOCVR (maybe also the few other rooms that do similar requests). I thought that @QPaysTaxes had expanded the scope (a bit :-) ), but wanted to toss out some off-the-cuff possible counters to the proposed DOS.
 
nvm, should be NAA
Wow, 75 dv and 2 delv on accepted answer stackoverflow.com/a/8228619
 
@SamuelLiew impressive
 
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