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7:49 AM
@Adriaan If you'd like me to take a look at your CV, send me an email. Do you also write cover letters to you job applications?
 
 
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10:38 AM
@Dev-iL Yes, I do. Mostly in German though
 
 
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1:28 PM
@Adriaan Is that required, or is it your initiative?
 
1:47 PM
Usually required
 
I must say though, I still don't really understand the point of these.
 
agree
 
"Let me tell you how nice I am and how much I pretend to like your company."
 
2:03 PM
 
@AndrasDeak yes exactly
 
3:11 PM
@flawr When you're the person doing the hiring, the cover letter is the thing that helps you decide. CVs all look the same. The cover letter lets you see what kind of person it is.
People that hire based on a CV go "oh, Stanford, this guy is better than this other one that went to Michigan State", which is total bullshit.
 
well, yes, if you treat the cover letter as a "narrative CV", then its useful
 
3:36 PM
@CrisLuengo Ok that may be true. But from the applicants perspective it just feels weird to try to convince them by writing things that both parties know are just barely true.
 
@flawr I don't understand why people would lie about themselves or their skills. It's not like your new boss will not realize you don't know what you're doing.
If you feel you need to lie to get a job, I guess you don't have a very high self-esteem?
 
Well it's not outright lying that I'm talking about. But in my experience you are expected to write why you are well suited for this job, which means you basically highligt all the experiences that are remotely relevant (and usually already on the CV), and you also tell them how great you tihnk this company is (even though you maybe haven't really had any intereaction with that company before) etc
obviously nobody is gonna tell them that they are lazy AF or take smoke breaks every 10 minutes or are the cranky all the time
It feels like you could just as well ask the applicants to write a one-page chapter of a sci-fi novel.
 
I don't know. A cover letter is a great way to show your personal characteristics (the "soft skills"), which they always list in job ads, but never show up in a CV.
It's not just "I'm a great communicator", but "at company AZ I mediated communication between department A and B, which which allowed us to build product C to spec within time frame..."
 
 
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5:05 PM
@CrisLuengo In my (very limited) experience this is something that you can maybe demonstrate in an interview or so, but I have trouble with the notion that you can convey things like that in a letter. It is obvious that you will only write about the things that put you in a good light, and they are hard or impossible to verify.
Like you (hopefully) don't just select based on all the good properties they show in an advertisement.
 
 
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6:32 PM
Plus I imagine a lot of excellent workers are terrible at writing prose... especially autobiographical prose. And they don't need to be good at that to be valuable in the workplace.
 
7:11 PM
@flawr Already on the job-tailored CV, one might add
 
7:50 PM
@AnderBiguri I just read that word today, and immediately had to think of you:D
 
 
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9:13 PM
:D
I forgot about it, best reminder
 

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