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5:56 PM
@flawr I've recently started learning German, just for fun (and I'm enjoying it a lot!). I came across the lyrics of this song by Kraftwerk, in which they sing the same in German and the in English:

https://genius.com/Kraftwerk-atherwellen-lyrics

Shouldn't it be "Wenn Wellen schwingen, singen Ferne Stimmen"? Because the verb ("singen") must be in 2nd position in the main clause. Am I missing something? Is the order used in the lyrics common practice in certain situations, maybe informal?
 
You're absolutely correct. Normally it would not be right, but in lyrical contexts like poetry or songs you have a little bit more freedom.
If you start to speak german too we can soon switch over the whole chatlab:)
But songs are definitely a great way to learn a language:)
I'm not actually sure if there is more "freedom", I imagine there would be still some rules, you can't just do anything - but I couldn't tell you what those rules are, I could just tell you if it sounds wrong to me:)
(But even then there are probably constructions that sound correct to natives but not to me.)
Did you find any other german artists?
 
6:45 PM
@LuisMendo and why exactly german?
 
7:42 PM
@flawr >:|
@flawr isn't that just artistic license?
 
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні that's probably the right word for it!
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні Guten Abend!
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні Still I'm not quite sure if it fits under this term. This particular way is probably more associated with like an more archaic way of speaking. But what do I know
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні are you aware of any similar change-the-word-order-shenanigans in other languages?
 
8:06 PM
I don't know what these change-the-word-order-shenanigans are about, and I only know a few languages, so I can't say
my understanding is that poets mix up word order all the time if they so see fit
 
 
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9:17 PM
ok yeah, pretty much.
 
10:14 PM
@flawr Thank you! That clarifies the issue :-)
I'm still too far from speakning it :-) I'm just starting to understand simple sentences. Aber es mir ist immer leichter!
Yeah, music is great for learning a language. I learned a lot of Italian with Franco Battiato, and now Kraftwerk are perfect for me regarding German: their lyrics are short and simple (when the song is not an instrumental, that is)... and the music is great!
As for why German: it's been in the back of my mind for years. The main motivation is declension. I always loved that in Latin. I recently got very seriously into Kraftwerk music and that made me take the plunge.
I feared the resemblance of German vocabulary to English could be a problem, causing me to confuse words. But I find it's, on the contrary, very helpful.
I also like the fact that it builds words in blocks. Not just the long, scary words that are typically associated with German; even simple words like Fahrzeug and Krankenhaus are actually "built" from others
 
@LuisMendo Rammstein then? :P
 
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні A bit of that too! They are less my style. But I do like Du hast. And the lyrics are simple enough too :-)
 
@LuisMendo if it weren't for certain contemporary events, I'd recommend Russian. Six cases instead of four, plus Cyrillic is a lot of fun.
 
@LuisMendo I guess there is no song that spells out the lyrics in a clearer way:P
Another song you might already know youtube.com/watch?v=Fpu5a0Bl8eY
 
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні But it's very difficult, isn't it? Category 4 here
 
10:18 PM
Probably depends on your native language :P I would expect something Germanic to be a lot easier starting from Spanish, yes.
 
@flawr True! I like that. And I learnd Luft from it
 
from English: especially, yeah
@flawr are there 99 lufts at that link?
 
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні Of course, the list was made by English speakers
So, is Hungarian close to Russian?
 
I've tried russian for a little bit - on the one hand I was surprized how many german-like words there are, but on the other hand there are many that are completely alien
 
10:19 PM
The closest in that list is Finnish, and it's not very close. But for what it's worth Finnish is even harder.
 
Ah, I remember now. Hungarian is a bit like Basque: not related to many languages
 
@flawr the best part is that the gender of words can pretty much always be derived from the ending of the word, and this gender very very often agrees with the German arbitrary gender of words.
@LuisMendo yeah, we're related to the Finns, and some other "nearby" languages. But very alien here in Eastern/Central Europe.
not as "where the fuck did this come from" as Basque, though
 
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні German has some trends in gender. Some endings are always the same gender. But admittedly that only works for some words
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні :-D
 
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні of course Hungarian has no gender in its grammar, which is obviously superior
 
Yeah, gender is a mess
 
10:22 PM
@LuisMendo This one you might like too: youtube.com/watch?v=pyerWRAk0UI - unlike most other swiss she actually has quite a nice german - but she sings in french and english too.
 
I was ok with Italian gender, because it's so similar to Spanish. But German...
 

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