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7:11 AM
he's not completely wrong:P
maybe I should buy some tarot cards for my research
 
 
2 hours later…
9:03 AM
hahaha
I am getting quite alot into the research and I agree
also SUPER overhyped
people come and say "I build a library for augmented training of medical images"
and its a couple of imreads and 3 random linear operators
 
 
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Sam
12:47 PM
@AnderBiguri yay
 
hha I don't think I will get seriously into ML to be fair, but I am getting into keeping track of whats going on
to be fair, in my field of image recon, most of it is fairly disapoiting XD
 
Sam
Especially when someone proves they can fool SOTA with a single pixel change
 
haha yeah. In our case is mostly "we are imaging people to find cancer on them I can not get the CNN to alluciante/remove tumours"
I think in medicine it can be a big aid to have DL, but I dont think it can take the place of traditional methods
 
Sam
In health, there's lots of application which will help triaging
But even that is probably more engineering than science
 
nah, I think its still science, I just think we are starting to find a stop to the hype of CNNs. There are many applications where it simply can not do the job, or not knowing how it did the job is unnacetable
again, now that I work in PET, I need to knwo 100% that a tumour in the image has not been either removed or alucinated
 
Sam
12:54 PM
I'm still waiting to hear back from my phd app
They emailed me last week that I am currently "being considered/reviewed by the admissions tutor"
 
do they have a deadline to tell you something?
ah nice
figers crossed, good luck!
 
Sam
well application deadline is end of this month
But they said I should hear back very soon
I don't think these people move very fast though
 
often they wait until the deadline to say anything
(often the need to)
but in my experience, it tends to be fast, as otherwise they lose funding and they want people to start ASAP
 
Sam
aghh! Nervous :D
 
haha
alea iacta est
 
Sam
1:00 PM
haha
 
now its just time to wait 😀
 
Sam
until they send me to the slaughter house
 
that is getting accepted :D
 
Sam
haha! I think I've a very slim chance of getting accepted tbf
Might have a better chance at a CDT
 
I don't think so, you know about ML, which is better than many people
I wikipedia'd my PhD thesis technology on the first day mate
 
1:12 PM
I, for instance, know nothing about ML
 
I had NO IDEA
 
proof right there
 
haha many people who start a PhD on ML
Which I think you won't do anytme soon Andras, right?
 
I think I'll pass for now
 
Imagine solving physics problem swith ML
once you publish the paper, inmediately 20% of physicsts die
 
1:13 PM
well there's this thing called "high-throughput computing"...
 
Is that related to ML?
 
Optionally. You start with throwing insane amounts of CPU power to mix and match all sorts of materials you can think of. It's a streamroller of computational power using DFT (as in density functional theory) for everything. Then you take that big-ass data you have and try to reach conclusions or predictions. ML is often involved in this last step.
 
so you solve EVERYTHING and then try to see if some of the things you solved are actually useful?
 
something like that
 
what physicist do to avoid sitting down to solve the problems....
😛 joking of course, this is very interesting, I will read a bit on it later
 
1:20 PM
nah, it's as nice as ML :PPP
 
now on a Docker course, to see if my opinions of it shoud be the same as Vim or not :D
 
many believe^[citation needed] that people do this when they don't have any better ideas
 
hahaha sounds like that :P
 
Sam
Docker is great
 
that is what people say about vim 😃 I see its use, but for now its been all problems for me
 
1:22 PM
unlike vim, docker has very specific use cases
 
Sam
Vim is also quite useful with Docker
 
the dude who made tqdm made docker images of the software we use. We barely understand the software we code, so imagine how little we understand docker
 
Sam
If I can be of help at all re Docker do reach out
 
thanks! Will do, but hopefully this course is good enough :)
 
Sam
Awesome. Well, best of luck ;)
 
1:34 PM
"when you want something like, for a normal exmaple, CentOS, you can get an easy Docker image!"
dude, CS nerds are so deep in their text based internet forums
"normal" to want CentOS ?!
hehe just mocking of course, im good with this
 
2:15 PM
I got my first docker image working! hub.docker.com/r/anderbiguri/ander_rocks
 
2:46 PM
@AnderBiguri They are using ML now to reduce the computational complexity of physics simulations. Instead of making the grid finer, they "learn" what happens at the boundaries of larger grid boxes if you were to simulate the fine detail. Seems to work too. Bizarre.
 
I heard about this, but multi-scale computational solutions also exist without ML
and ML solutions are not 100% reliable, maybe it has not learn about a particular small effect and it decides to ignore it
 
Right. That is the scary part. Same with medical imaging, by the way.
And you'd never know because the output looks so cool.
 
GANs allucinate tumours
 
3:13 PM
Nice one!
 
 
7 hours later…
9:51 PM
Do you guys have Octave on Linux, with the Image Package? (@AndrasDeak maybe?) If so, can you tell me if bwlabeln(1) gives an error? It does here (Octave 4.2.2 on Linux), but not on my Octave 4.2.2 on Windows
 
I can check
 
Thanks! Oh, don't forget pkg load image first (I keep forgetting that in Octave)
 
I knew that, thanks
it says I don't have it installed, and pkg install image tells me I need -forge. Is that it? Octave-forge package?
And if that's it, is it trustworthy?
 
Hm I don't know, I don't need that or have an Octave-fore package, I think
Don't bother with this. It was just curiosity
 
octave:4> version
ans = 6.1.1~hg.2020.12.27-1
octave:5> pkg load image
error: package image is not installed
error: called from
    load_packages at line 47 column 7
    pkg at line 588 column 7
 
9:56 PM
I wouldn't install something just for a check. Plus, not sure if/what you'd have to install
 
octave-image/testing 2.12.0-10 amd64
  image manipulation for Octave
OK, debian package is fine
often frameworks are cut apart into many smaller packages for some reason
 
Ah, did you install it just for this? You really shouldn't have bothered...
 
it's no problem at all :)
 
Well, thank you :-)
 
octave:1> pkg load image
octave:2> bwlabeln(1)
ans = 1
 
9:58 PM
Hm, ok. So it's version-specific
What's your Octave version?
 
2 mins ago, by Andras Deak
octave:4> version
ans = 6.1.1~hg.2020.12.27-1
octave:5> pkg load image
error: package image is not installed
error: called from
    load_packages at line 47 column 7
    pkg at line 588 column 7
 
So they must have solved it past Octave 4.2.2
Thanks again!
 
anytime :)
octave is open-source so you could look at the source of bwlabeln, find the check, and look at the git blame
 
I'm not that proficient with Github. Also, Octave seems to use this other thing called Mercurial. I only wanted to know how version-specific the bug was, to assess whether I should patch it for MATL or not. I think I'll leave it unpatched for now
The strange thing is, it works on Octave 4.2.2 in my Windows 10, but not on the same Octave version in TIO's Fedora
 
right, hg
 
10:10 PM
Ah, yes, hg is in the URL
Hg, Mercury. These guys are clever :-P
 
hg blame is also a thing at least :P
but I don't have mercurial installed and that will stay that way :D
oh, there's a git mirror github.com/gnu-octave/octave
 
But does that include image?
 
nope
I could only find github.com/gnu-octave/packages/blob/main/packages/image.yaml (maintainers: carandraug)
 
Not worth any more effort... :-) Thank you again!
 
no worries
I like it how the octave people stick to the crazy whitespace use even in C code sourceforge.net/p/octave/image/ci/default/tree/src/…
 
10:49 PM
Crazy indeed
 

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