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14:00
Naw, I'm kidding. He always makes room for at least 6 million entries.
@KendallFrey OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DAAAAAAAAAAAMN
you know a mod just came in here right? lol
That was dark.
Meh, It's just Anna.
Hi @AnnaLear
Hey all
14:01
hi
you tried being sneaky
She is very sneaky.
She is also my neighbour.
really?
As close as neighbours get on the internet.
@KendallFrey you're like an hour, hour and a half away from where I live? I forget.
Probably less than an hour.
14:05
Practically next-door either way.
anna you need to take kendall out for drinks, i dont think he's been out of the house in months
lol jokes on you
I'm in the office for the first time in weeks.
lmfao
I work from home. No sympathy.
well that was bad timing ha
14:06
Oh shit it's @NULL
Visual Studio YOU SUCK
AND, this database isn't normalized, at all, its like 100 columns wide
man who designed this piece of junk
un-related columns too
Sometimes not being related is a good thing. Sex, for example.
okay, changing employees pay, to hiring a contractor, to swapping where somebody works, all in 1 table lol never a good thing
@KendallFrey and you know me, i like it gay or not at all
No, you often need some relation. Sex with horses, for example. That's bad.
14:14
i got bored, 58 columns! what the hell!
That's nothing.
thats terrible.
im not saying you haven't seen worse, i'm just saying ... damn thats terrible
I spent about 5 hours yesterday trying to wrap my head around about 50 lines of code.
Yes, I was trying.
wow
How can I get VS to hit breakpoints when running JS from the Immediate Window?
14:21
dunno
Gosh, I'm so surprised.
the energy and passion in this room is so exhilarating
don't be a dick
...
:p
why would you want to run javascript from the immediate window anyway
14:23
@DavidDV lololololol
just debug in Chrome like normal ppl
I can't.
node.js?
@Steve Ask @rlemon
Chrome doesn't support debugging arbitrary processes.
@DavidDV Nope. Internal app/JScript.
14:25
@ShotgunNinja i have him on ignore because he's a cock
have had him on ignore for almost a year now
ignores Steve
STEVE CALLED YOU A COCK
Wait... yea I already was ignoring him.
that i did
Steve is just a angry noob
it's ok steve
I'll be your shoulder to cry on
19 secs ago, by rlemon
Steve is just a angry noob
14:26
but he doesn't know about my shoulder
my shoulder is the key here
today i'm wearing a hoodie so it's extra moisture absorbent
You two (shit) are hilarious. Do you both have each other ignored?
I unignored him (show posts)
but it's only till I refresh the page
I ignore people like Peter Jennings that can't ask a question.
Also, csharpchat.com is borked for me...
14:27
yoo
I ignore people who call me a cock because I once told them their code was bad. :P
kicker is, their code was in fact bad.
see, told you he's a cock lol
um. haha
hey scotty
@ShotgunNinja yep, have for a long time now
what up
has anyone read c# in depth - skeet's book ?
14:35
Asad Butt, England, United Kingdom
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I'd hate that name.
lol
damn.... ask a couple stupid questions in here and everyone ignores you forever...
hey
rough crowd today
Did you know you can trace objects that have gone out of scope with th VS debugger?
@ScottSelby we do expect you to show your work you know
@rlemon hey hey hey ... in defense, all of my code is shitty
lol, I know .. I was refering to no one answering about reading jon skeets book
14:42
@ScottSelby i have not read the book, i wasn't ignoring you, i just didn't want to clog up the chat with 10 "no"s
I'm just wondering how benificial it would be for a book devoted to c# 3.0
I really want to learn everything I can about c# , just don't know , i guess it could be good to learn that stuff after I already use 4.0
@ScottSelby that's probably because none of us have the luxury of free time to want to read it, well, and the ones that do have that free time don't understand the importance of it.
That's like Crockfords book.
@jcolebrand That's not a good thing...
@KendallFrey this is rlemon we're talking to
liverpool!
14:44
@Steve alright lad.
@jcolebrand most code is shitty
welcome back!
@KendallFrey did you forget yesterdays conversation where I rewrote a complex solution into base math of set intersection and solved it neatly (then this room helped me optimize it)?
I would say that I write some damn good code
But as rlemon knows, all code is pretty shitty, most days.
yup
14:45
@jcolebrand - does how fast it took to write factor into how good code is?
Liver pool.
Console.Write("Hello World"); // best code ever!
@ScottSelby not really
i think it does
But generally the faster you write it, the better it is
let's be clear on what I mean
14:46
@jcolebrand what? lol
@rlemon // <-- best code ever
As complexity increases, time to write becomes the scale of good to great to shitty
@KendallFrey that's a bowl isn't it?
@Steve I'll assume you're new here and don't understand how chat works. Give me time to write, we all realize it's an absurd statement, that's why I made it.
While complexity is low, the code should take the same amount of time to write no matter who you are
but what if you think in high complexity?
14:48
@jcolebrand yeah, this is my first day here
@rlemon think in high complexity? or when the problem set is complex?
I see short circuits perfectly fine
take for example my answer I posted yesterday to a stupid question.
var x = document.getElementById('x'),
    s = ['John', 'Mark', 'Alex'];

(function loop() {
    s.length && (x.innerHTML = s.shift(), setTimeout(loop, 3000));
})();
@rlemon short circuits means an absence of complexity :p
i think when looking at complex code it is definetly a factor how much time and how much money was spent on the time
That's like when I turned my arrays into sorted arrays into strings yesterday ;-)
14:49
Short circuits mean fires.
But when the complexity is high, the best devs tend to write their code the fastest, and the solution has the same number of bugs as when an average code.
@Steve fuck off.
thats why they have like 12 hour code challenges , because any developer there could get the job done , but who can do it that fast
This is chat
depends on what you classify as layers of complexity. complexity in understanding with jS is often desired
suck it
14:49
Replies are incremental, just like on IRC
@Steve Now you're just begging.
There's some awfully sensitive little flowers in here.
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@rlemon I'm talking about problem complexity.
@KendallFrey lmfao
ohh, well yea
I avoid complex problems
14:50
Not dev ability
@LiverpoolsNumber9 TWHS
simplify all of the things
@rlemon most great devs do ;-)
and steve used to be such a well manored chat person , what happened?
That's why the problems are faster solved but the same number of bugs ;-)
14:50
@ScottSelby Nothing?
i have no patience for unnecessary rudeness
@KendallFrey does that work?
been writing a lot of C lately.. so not complicating things is a must
if you can't come in and act like a civilized person, i'm going to be a cock right back
@Steve and yet you're the one who told me that I shouldn't respond incrementally? That's a rude thing to say on one's first day (by your own statement of fact)
14:51
lol @Steve
but but but... you are the uncivilized one atm
@jcolebrand i've been coming here for over a year
@rlemon Because they collapse the problem into all the simple problem sets.
I read that wrong , i thought yo said if you come in civilized
14:51
when somebody makes an absurd statement, i question it
@Steve yes, so therefore you should know how chat works.
user142019
Ignore user, problem solved.
user142019
No need to flag.
@Zoidberg flags work better. Enough validated flags buys us a half-hour of not-ignoring
14:52
Sometimes the ignored folks would have valid points otherwise, so we shouldn't ignore them.
@LiverpoolsNumber9 done
@jcolebrand you should know when you make an asinine statement that people will question it... is this your first day on the entire internet?
@Zoidberg he's calling people cocksuckers for having different opinions
@jcolebrand ta.
Ok so this is my first time in chat, and in the first 3 mins I have determined this chat has nothing to do with c#.....
user142019
@rlemon I do that all the time.
14:52
@LiverpoolsNumber9 I ignored your plea to ignore you.
@aBetterGamer only if you don't ask a question
@rlemon Hi. Your mother here. Shall I call his parents for you and get this straightened out? Or are you going to man the fuck up?
@KendallFrey YOU BLOW MY TINY MIND
@aBetterGamer No, not usually.
I present as evidence to @aBetterGamer this conversation from yesterday:

Finding a subset of a given list is the tested for list

19 hours ago, 7 minutes total – 15 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 19 hours ago by jcolebrand

14:53
@LiverpoolsNumber9 I blow a lot of things.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you found my mom?!?!?!?!?! WHERE IS SHE!?!?! WHY AM I MAKING MY OWN LUNCHES?!?!?!
@rlemon Because she's making mine!
@KendallFrey Ok. "[...] smoke up arses" not being one of them...
your moustache is crooked
such a sad state
14:54
@LiverpoolsNumber9 No. Not really. I mean, not very often.
@KendallFrey :)
So, @rlemon did we decompose the problem/question-space?
i think we did
problem: too many questions.
^ that?
complexity?
My stupidity amazes me.
14:56
complexity === problems + questions / skill * time;
@rlemon I feel like you should use a parenthesis there at some point to qualify
Anyone want to take a peek at my question. Its gotten zero love. stackoverflow.com/questions/12956904/…
@jcolebrand yea. but that would add complexity :P
G'morning
Coffee gets too cold too quickly.
14:58
@aBetterGamer There's no real question.
@aBetterGamer always store in UTC. Forever
any Rx Observable experts in today?
@rlemon that it does
@KendallFrey the question is in the comment.
@aBetterGamer Yes. UTC. Or.... UTC.
but it's still not a proper question
14:58
The question should be on codereview imo
As an aside, some of you will probably notice that while jumps across DST are handled in the server code, passing an offset into a SP or the like on the DB will not handle DST correctly. Any ideas on this?
there is no problem, its design.
And always handle the deconversion of the time to the timezone as close as possible to the display of the time.
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or is there a real problem buried in there somewhere
@aBetterGamer yes, you always handle it in UTC
time is time. How we choose to show it on the wall is an entirely different thing
14:59
Timezones are a stupid thing.
@KendallFrey as are 24/7 days

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