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22:00
@KendallFrey registers ftw
@rlemon holy crap. I pay way less than that per pack.
$0
@KendallFrey Yes, when you translate a C variable in asm it is (is it?) a stackptr: ebp + 0 or something.. I can't remember.
They are the premium brand in Canada / (Ontario at least).
very tasty... very expensive... however avg price for smokes here is $9 /pack
@LewsTherin A C variable can be translated into asm multiple ways. Often it's used in different ways in the same program.
super cheap ones go as low as $7
anyways... home time
22:02
@KendallFrey So not all asm use stack pointers? :S Example of the language?
@KendallFrey What's your GITHub?
@CCInc kendfrey
@LewsTherin There is no such thing as a pointer in ASM.
I think I know what you're thinking.
Never mind
Most C variables get placed in a special place on the stack.
$help
Thank you
When you use the &.. does it compile to a function e.g. addressof(symbolicname)
No.
AFAIK, it compiles directly to the address of the variable.
22:07
But the compiler must use a look up table, otherwise it would have recalculate at which point the variable was pushed on the stack.
Somehow, my code is working.
No, the compiler is the one that writes the code. It knows where the variable is.
This scares me far more than when it was not working.
I have no idea why the change I made caused my code to work.]
Quick! Reverse it!
@ShotgunNinja Version control?
22:09
@KendallFrey int i ; int *g =& i; If the compiler translates line by line, how does it remember i? It must use some storage to remember the state.
@JohanLarsson, we use some SecureFX program (which I'm guessing is just an FTP client) to deploy to our sites.
@LewsTherin It uses a register or a stack pointer. Also, you should know that it doesn't compile anything close to line-by-line, or at least it does some serious code transformation after doing so.
@ShotgunNinja Mmn, linkage? And you mean store the stack pointer in a register?
@LewsTherin Yeah. The "g*" and "i" are stuffed on the stack, or in registers if able. A different opcode is used to write the actual stack pointer to "i" into the memory location specified by "g*".
@ShotgunNinja Sweet, that partly answers my question. But I'm getting distracted again.
OMG TRIPLE SLEIGHS
And ciao.
It all depends on how everything is arranged. It is either a heap of crap, or a stack of it.
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22:13
@LewsTherin When it creates the variable, it stores it in the first available slot, and then associates that address with the name "i".
I suppose it uses some sort of dictionary or lookup of some sort.
Variables themselves introduce indirection; pointers are actually easier to work with on an assembly level in most cases.
There is no such thing as a variable in assembly.
Is there a good book on compiler theory?
Only numbers.
@LewsTherin Many.
When something is specified as a true value (ie. on the 'stack'), it is actually placed into either the stack or a register. If the compiler can remember which register is assigned to that "variable" name in the HLL, then it will simply replace the variable name with the register, and use value-reading opcodes.
22:16
@KendallFrey Alright, after these bloody exams I have to read one or two.
@LewsTherin what is wrong with the c++ room?
@JohanLarsson crazy people in there
@JohanLarsson They can be offhand.
If something is specified as a pointer, then registers (or stack locations) are set aside, and the pointer value gets stored in those registers instead. This is given to pointer-reading opcodes, which do a fetch of a value from the heap before using it in operations.
@Kendall - There are labels that you can use,
HIKENDALL:
is valid asm
22:17
Yeah but that's like a code section. It isn't actually a variable.
@LewsTherin ok, I have never seen that, most of the time they are really nice and helpful. My only problem is to understand the answers that I am given :)
I didn't say it was a variable. Just that there is more than "only numbers".
@JohanLarsson Mmn.. since when were you doing C++ :)
If you want to see some neat, simple assembly that explains a lot about how the compiler works, I've found the AVR-GCC toolchain, with options to generate a verbose listing file, does a grand job of illustrating what C code becomes what assembly instructions.
I had to do that for a couple of Embedded Systems courses.
@TravisJ Oh sorry, I haven't seen much numbers when I've used asm.
22:19
@LewsTherin I just lurk there and ask C# or algo questions at times :) Especially at times when C# room is discussing 'boobs' for extended periods of time
@TravisJ And hi!
How was your vacation Lews?
@JohanLarsson Why ask C# in C++ room? Lol I know..
I'm really worried that if I touch my code any further, in an attempt to figure out why it works, I'll end up breaking it again... Damn Struts.
@TravisJ If it was a vacation :( It was and is study ad infinitum I hope yours was better!
22:20
wb @Ellie
I worked 14 of the past 16 days :P
@TravisJ Mmn.. you should take a break lol. I assume you got some increase in pay?
Well, not really. Since all of that crap that went down, I actually worked more and got paid less. In total, I used to have about 27% of my paycheck go to taxes and social security/medicare, and now I think it is more like 33% so I lost a decent amount of pay.
Question: Why do C#-ians look down apon java?
Answer: Because it is a beneath us.
22:24
As a professional Java developer, it's because Java sucks.
@TravisJ I think tax here is 40% for 50k earners... which is terrifying if I actually start working.
@ShotgunNinja Man, why didn't you tell that to KneelBeforeZod?
@Lews - crazy.
@TravisJ Yup, quite depressing. All that money.. gone.. :(
@LewsTherin Idk... I've been manning the Java chatroom alone for about a week now...
@LewsTherin That sounds higher than Sweden and I thought Sweden had the second highest taxes after Denmark
22:26
@ShotgunNinja He hasn't logged in then? Well I can't because of study.. I shouldn't even be here.
@LewsTherin I hear you, lol.
wb @Rudi
@JohanLarsson Let me check that out..
@LewsTherin The 40% rate applies to £42k+ (including the "free pay"), wait till you get to 50% :)
I calculated mine 35%
I'm just going to bed, had a RE5 stint
@JohanLarsson Swedish tax is higher by default, but you also have a better standard of living and no "Council tax"
22:28
Night, @Rudi.
@JohanLarsson 41%
@RudiVisser we have had decent reductions the last couple of years, still hard to compare when there are other taxes on fuel food etc.
All income over 32800 is taxable at 41% - FUCKERS
@LewsTherin Gesundheit.
@JohanLarsson When DICE offered me a job it was I think 45000kr/må and I'd be better off there than here
@LewsTherin ?
@LewsTherin There are only 3 tax bands, 20/40/50
22:29
@RudiVisser DICE as in the games company?
@RudiVisser ok
@JohanLarsson I mean tax-wise, you guys are pretty well off despite higher rates :D
@RudiVisser Well hot damn. Where are they located again?
@ShotgunNinja Stockholm
22:30
@RudiVisser Heck, I'd have done it without much of a second thought.
I did accept, but the gf..
@RudiVisser That's band 1 tax. I can't find 2 and 3. However, is Irish tax the same as UK?
@LewsTherin Northern Ireland yes
Sweden has a king.
@RudiVisser What about the gf, now? Mister personal assistant?
22:32
@LewsTherin There are no bands in "tax", only in NI. I do payroll motherfucker I know this shit
But yea if you're counting NI, we get screwed over even more royally
@RudiVisser Yeah NI stuff doesn't truly apply to us.
@ShotgunNinja She still exists and I told you the PA went batshit crazy
@RudiVisser Fair enough.
@LewsTherin Go to Norway and get paid, it is as simple as that!
How does one just get offered a job at a gaming company, though, is what I want to know.
22:33
By being awesome
so wait, if I go to Norway, they will just give me money as well?
@RudiVisser Well, I'm working on that.
And there is all these new tax shit. Household, PAYE (5eur per week + normal rate), USC tax, water tax.. fuck sake.
@JohanLarsson Really? Why?
@kush I expect you to double your salary without having a clue what you make now. Norway is insane
@LewsTherin Major oil producer, their economy has been running red hot for a long time
and norway is not a part of the eu, right?
@RudiVisser Lol!
@kush not quite, they are part of something else that is similar
@JohanLarsson Oh time to apply for a visa! Norway, here I come!
@RudiVisser - And that is why I made a message filter :D
@TravisJ Why make a filter, that shit's awesome!
22:35
@RudiVisser Thank you, Internet, for allowing stupid questions to be answered stupidly.
what the... I could be making 800k+ in some foreign currency?
@RudiVisser - Not when it is on the wall at work
@ShotgunNinja Well it deserved a stupid answer :D
You have this chat up on a wall at work?
@LewsTherin + the women are ok in Norway
22:36
@TravisJ That's why you don't use the projectors at work for SO chat, lol
@RudiVisser I kissed a girl in high school. Am I pregnant?
at times
@JohanLarsson Fuck Norway. Opera didn't even give me an interview the cunts I'm like their #1 fan
@kush Definitely.
I multi task pretty hardcore
@TravisJ The question is why are your screens on a wall lol
22:37
@JohanLarsson Just ok?
@RudiVisser I would work for Opera if they made their layout engine free.
It is free
@Rudi - Because I use a projector
@TravisJ Ah
22:38
Ah
@RudiVisser free like WebKit or Gecko
@LewsTherin You have to remember he's from Sweden his views are skewed
not free like Trident
@JohanLarsson Ha ha I was halfway reading that.
@kush Oh, you're using free as a synonym for shit, I get it now
22:38
@LewsTherin you can see the edit history
@RudiVisser :(
@RudiVisser Something along those lines.
yesterday I got to change goal to forecast, today I get to change propagate to forecasttask
@JohanLarsson about fat women?
@kush yeah
22:39
@TravisJ Quick, add even more ambiguity.
@JohanLarsson Ah lol.
@kush Be careful with that...
@ShotgunNinja oh gosh I didn't mean like that
hahahaha
I don't even know what you said.
22:41
~/news kush puts his foot in his mouth
Alright, I gtg.. later lads.
Something about foreigners blowing themselves up
@LewsTherin Byyyyyyyyyyye
byeeeeee
:6995414 I wouldn't know but I have a suspicion that eating 500g muffins and typing typo's on facebook all day like most seem to be doing can result in something that keeps you warm in the winter and provides shade in the summer. :)
amidoinitrite?
22:41
@kush Oh, I totally didn't even think of it like that, lol.
I missed it also :)
@JohanLarsson yeah and apparently some people can finish a full 3 liter bottle of coke by dinner. How?
Coca Cola
Enjoy
What's wrong with a 3 litre bottle of coke?
We all must drink about 5 litres of coffee per day :p
@kush I don't even want to begin to know
I'm just waiting for @Ellie and her mop to start chiming into the conversation again.
22:43
XD
@RudiVisser add five liters of sugar to the coffee then!
That was pretty instant
@RudiVisser one person. three liters of Coca Cola. Every day.
I had the tab open and heard the ping
22:44
Sound on? Front desk? Jeez, riding through the danger zone much.
@kush I do almost that but coke zero
Not to mention you probably had to put out a Wet Floor sign already.
+ vodka
I miss @Ellie's Facebook link
@RudiVisser you eat like a wt. Time to start spending some of your $ on hq?
I do not know what wt or hq mean
22:45
@JohanLarsson wt, hq?
White Trash High Quality
welcome @ISM
I'm very high quality tyvm
wt = White Trash?
zing
this is why wikipedia is awesome
The Kamikaze is made of equal parts vodka, triple sec and lime juice. According to the International Bartenders Association, it is served straight up in a cocktail glass. Garnish is typically a wedge or twist of lime. Naming "Kamikaze" () is a Japanese word literally meaning "divine wind". Variations Dozens of variations exist in online databases today. See also * Gimlet (cocktail) References
22:46
@ShotgunNinja I only sit up front for 1 hour a day
is anyone actually in Norway in this room?
@Ellie I don't wanna see your desk, then. I might slip and fall, and your company would be liable for the injuries.
@ShotgunNinja Oh, my desk is an oasis.
@ShotgunNinja I want to see your desk
22:47
@kush I share my desk with another intern; we switch off hours during the school year. He's got another job lined up elsewhere, and he does mostly graphic + web design.
Nice try
@Ellie do you have a google plus?
@kush Yes
@RudiVisser No
ellie, link?
hernameisellie, boys
Bahahaha
I already knew that, I just wanted to be able to post that pic
22:49
How did you find that?!
@Ellie I read Hermoine Granger
We were talking about hackers earlier ye?
OMG. Those are my old roommates
Please don't hack me. :(
Pretty sure anyone could guess my Facebook.
facebook.com/loser
22:50
no one can guess mine
its super secret
@Ellie rude
@RudiVisser Bingo.
@kush Pfft, what are you, new here?
22:50
Nobody can guess mine.
facebook.com/rudi.visser
@Ellie actually, yes :(
No, I'm not black
@kush Aweee. I'm sorry. Hi, I'm Ellie and I've been offending people since 1989.
It has only been a quarter century since I have been on Earth
22:51
facebook.com/rudiv
No
Wow I wish I was him tho check out his 'stash
facebook.com/?profile=19280918309182390812308120938 or something?
Nope, I'm rudolphothegreat
Nick Iannone is a real name? Give me your google plus profile
Guess what my G+ is.
22:52
@RudiVisser do people ask you if you have a red nose?
@kush Only at Christmas. Otherwise they get bitch slapped for calling me Rudolph
113551049479288319427
@kush Nope, it's 102561461110971518600
@KyleTrauberman Accept me on FB n00b your profile's so restricted I can't do any stalking without adding you :(
did you find my profile?
i don't have a request from anyone
22:55
Oh
We should just make a C# SO group on Facebook.
I thought I clicked Add on all of your profiles
I was imagining it and hadn't clicked any
I did now!
lol
crap you did find me
It was sooooooooooo difficult
it was, huh?
22:56
my phone buzzed, you guys
I don't know why
so did mine
@RudiVisser is the culprit
holy shit, it's the apocalypse.
@ShotgunNinja Point out which one of your friends you're shagging having a mutual arrangement with
No thanks.
22:58
I'm trying to keep said arrangement as far from Facebook as possible.
Well that's fine but she is still your friend right
Yeah, she's on there somewhere.
Her name's Sydney, and she looks like an underage whore in most of her pictures.
Sounds good, searches

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