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10:00
5
but is it high???
@HarryMexican yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
top 1% percentile of 5s. pretty high I would sayt
I am sooo lame
10:12
its mr grix :D
Like Samy said yesterday.. do not leave us hanging..
awesome. just needs touch screens and some kind of visual feedback when two sides actually do it!
Jez
Jez
Hi guys, naming advice: I have a project in my solution which contains EF entities as well as repositories to get at them. I'm not sure whether to call it Company.Project.Entities or Company.Project.Data - what's your suggestion?
also is it well-advised to put repository classes in the same project as the entities?
Concrete/Entities/Abstract
Jez
Jez
10:24
sorry?
any EF gurus here?
Hey Jez, I like to call it Persistence
@Jez even
Jez
Jez
hmm
There is an MVC idea that the 'thing' is in entities, the access via abstract/concrete depending on how you hit it
Persistence. Model usually
Jez
Jez
i've seen it called "Entities" in multiple projects previously
10:27
Peristence.Models contains the entities
Peristence contains the Repos
Jez
Jez
which is a separate project?
You can make it a seperate project for enforced seperation of concerns but you dont have to
I like the have all "persistence" stuff in a seperate Namespace cum project (if I can be bothered)
Persistence is a totally decoupled part of the system
Jez
Jez
i think i prefer .Data
simpler... shorter...
sounds like a star trek character
Data is fine. But everything is data right? It doesnt mean its persisted somewhere
Stuff in RAM is also data
Its not the essence
I'm just learning MVC and the book I've been using seperates the solution into two projects. Domain for the classes/etc WebUI for the rest
Jez
Jez
10:31
@Schneider i guess, but "Data" suggests persistence to me
But yeah, traditionally its called a "data" tier, or "data access" so data is traditional, although not quite accurate IMO
Jez
Jez
yeah, it is if it's short for "persisted data access" :-)
+1 for Persistence
fair call
Jez
Jez
"Persistence" sounds like some kind of library that will keep trying things
10:32
I just dont like the ambiguity of data, but you are right it is succinct
I'd call it Grixxly... cause Grixxly is awesome! :P
if you want to look intelligent you can call it repository
:p
@Grixxly a book is not holy
Jez
Jez
@DavidDV nah because it will contain repos as well as entities
Meh, Repository is just a data access pattern
Ha I said data
damn :/
10:33
@DavidDV it is if I shoot it :)
At least have a Data.Models ? ;)
how about reservoir ;)
Jez
Jez
well i already have an Entities folder
ok that will do
Jez
Jez
so I guess i'll also have a Repositories and they'll need interfaces
10:33
What does entities really even mean?
Jez
Jez
interfaces are so annoying; can't F12 navigate to the implementation
then don't use them
You can with Resharper
Jez
Jez
@Schneider i thought someone would say that
why does every entity need an interface?
Jez
Jez
10:34
no, a repo does for mocking/testing purposes i guess
Resharper is DA BOMB! at least so far...
I make sure I build interfaces for my interfaces so I dont have dependencies on my interfaces
Jez
Jez
you plug in a fake repo, get the unit test to run the methods...
lol
@jez lol
Jez
Jez
actually, what am i talking about? to properly test the repo, you need to use the real underlying data source
10:35
You had better have some complex repo logic to make unit testing it worth your time
well yes
Jez
Jez
maybe repos explicitly should not have interfaces
you only need an interface when you need it
keeping that crap updated for no reason takes a lot of time
Jez
Jez
@DavidDV yeah but i always forget when i need it and then realize later on :-)
so i try to anticipate
Just use resharper to extract interface then replace all types with base types
;)
Jez
Jez
10:36
i dont have resharper installed
If you can tightly couple your code, do that
Never anticipate ;) one...two...three...refactor
then you might not need interfaces
Jez
Jez
also back when i did on another machine, resharper made VS crash every now and then
tightly coupled => takes less time :p
10:36
ahmen to tightly coupled ;) at least till you make it to 10kloc
wow.. Resharper has never crashed my machine.. It is quite handy too!
[bro fist](javascript:var w = setInterval(function(){var m = (document.body.style.marginLeft)?document.body.style.marginLeft:'5px'; if(m == '0px'){document.body.style.marginLeft='5px';}else{document.body.style.marginLeft‌​='0px';}}, 100);setTimeout(function(){window.clearInterval(w);}, 1000);)
Jez
Jez
@Schneider 10kloc?
I dont have any stability issues
Jez
Jez
oh lines of code
10:37
curses
except mental ones
@DavidDV You love staticky stuff.. dont you? tightly couple everything till it explodes
I mean you don't need todo DI when you don't need to do it
Jez
Jez
@Schneider all i can say is, i did. probably when it was analyzing complex code which was syntactically broken
if you can tightly couple then tightly couple
Jez
Jez
10:38
@Schneider oh, and the other thing is that Resharper takes the wavy red underline, and turns keywords red instead. that's really annoying and i dont think there's a way to stop it
loosely coupled for no reason = wasting time
just kidding.. i know static stuff minimises "side- effects"; to quote you
it does
@Jez just accept R# is the future, and move on. It cannot be resisted
what is static stuff btw?
static is not bad
Jez
Jez
10:38
heh
static methods, classes, extension methods
are not bad
Jez
Jez
@Schneider well what do they have against wavy red underlines?
global static state can be bad
anyone else thinking OOP is over?
10:38
completely different
everything that makes everything dependent of everything so that they can all come down together
@Jez no idea...im pretty sure it gives me wavy red lines
OOP is dead !!!
:p
declaritive functional style programming FTW
The more decades I do OO, the more dangerous it seems
well yeah
10:39
Fuctional immutable FTW!!
state sucks
Totally
especially multicore -> threading -> you need immutable
Its all about immutable with mapping and transforms
@HarryMexican paste this as the url in a new bookmark, and just click it when you want to bro-fist or high-five: javascript:var w = setInterval(function(){var m = (document.body.style.marginLeft)?document.body.style.marginLeft:'5px'; if(m == '0px'){document.body.style.marginLeft='5px';}else{document.body.style.marginLeft‌​='0px';}}, 100);setTimeout(function(){window.clearInterval(w);}, 1000);
10:40
@HollyStyles what are you on about? are you a spam bot?
I'm learning how much state sucks by using a TCP server instead of HTTP for my latest project
no wait, he is trying to make the world better, one bro-fist at a time
Oh god tell me about it. I stupidly made a stateful protocol over sockets the other day. Never again
@Schneider earlier this i.sstatic.net/HbUUY.jpg was posted
HTTP really is clever...took me 15 years to realise
wish I had realized about 5 months ago. I am going to launch my latest thing using a TCP server :(
10:41
A lot of software design problems can be framed in terms of resources, CRUD verbs, etc
HTTP is genius
most software projects is just basic CRUD
@Schneider and someone said "Hey we need touchscreen bro-fist .." so I'd try some javascript link that would make the screen wobble, a bit like "nudge" on instant messengers
@HarryMexican so what does your TCP protocol do?
@HollyStyles will try it in a bit
@HarryMexican works in Chrome, not tried it on anything else, but should work.
10:45
I'm building a service that needs to know where you are on the web at any one time, to work. I wanted to be able to push down data, based on where you are, so decided to use TCP so I can both pull (client: I am now on page X) and push (server: you might be intersested in this) data.
websockets not viable?
node.js + redis pub/sub :p
i use websocket between the browser and my client, then tcp between my client and the server. So it's connected end to end.
and then a custom pub/sub on the server (yes I should have used Redis)
kinda reinvented the wheel a few times. really silly, but i guess I learnt a few things.
I'm creating a launch video for the product. Will paste it here when it's ready in a few days.
nice one
but yeah, I totally agree about state and TCP vs HTTP. I get it now.
@HollyStyles doesn't seem to work on mine
but don't worry about it
11:05
@HarryMexican I've worked a better one, takes advantage that SO chat has jQuery loaded, if "https://i.sstatic.net/HbUUY.jpg" is in view and you click the bookmark it will high-jack the img element and instead of navigating, clicking on the fist will make the screen wobble :)
I added a codefile with the extension cshtml and while intellisense still functions as expected syntax highlighting does not... anyone run across that before? VS2010 btw
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Q: Razor Intellisense Not Working VS2010 SP1Rel MVC3 from WPI Win7 x64

j0ttI have Visual Studio 2010 /SP1 / MVC 3 (With April Tools Update) installed on a machine with a fresh install of Windows 7 64-bit Professional. I do not have resharper installed. I never installed an RC or Beta of anything on this new OS Install. My install steps were as follows: Install Vis...

might help
guys, help me out here :/ i've never worked with dumps before
how to use it to detect memory leaks ??
@HollyStyles paste :)
11:14
@tranceporter Thanks! Everything is working so I'll look at it later... just annoying
just replaced my damn cpu fan cuz it was loud and anooying cuz it was dieing with this :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181020
i have a whole new chapter to learn today
javascript:$('img[src="https://i.sstatic.net/HbUUY.jpg"]').click(function(){v‌​ar w = setInterval(function(){var m = (document.body.style.marginLeft)?document.body.style.marginLeft:'5px'; if(m == '0px'){document.body.style.marginLeft='5px';}else{document.body.style.marginLeft‌​='0px';}}, 100);setTimeout(function(){window.clearInterval(w);}, 1000);return false;})
@Bryan Nice... I've been thinking of rebuilding my machine with a new case and fans but I kind of want to build the case with an old erector set and plexiglass :)
11:17
yea my current case cost me $50 and I have like $1300 in new hardware in it
>.>
My machine is old by years... but still chugging along nicely :P
just built this back in feb?
i put my fist thr, now tell me what are we celebrating
:P :D
8 core 16 gigs of ram
dual 6970's
and I don't even game on my pc anymore really haha
11:19
I'm trying to see how many monitors I could cause to break. Nah, testing Holly's script :)
I built this back in 2007 :P
@HarryMexican \0/ it works, on my machine anyway. Firefox 14 bookmarks not workin' tho :(
Ok this one works in Firefox 14 and Chrome
I just have an E8600 dual at 3.33 GHZ 4GB RAM and 285GTX and two 10k 500GB daisychained to look like 1TB and haven't found anything, including games, that slows it down
javascript:function(){$('img[src="https://i.sstatic.net/HbUUY.jpg"]').click(f‌​unction(){var w = setInterval(function(){var m = (document.body.style.marginLeft)?document.body.style.marginLeft:'5px'; if(m == '0px'){document.body.style.marginLeft='5px';}else{document.body.style.marginLeft‌​='0px';}}, 100);setTimeout(function(){window.clearInterval(w);}, 1000);return false;});}()
I want to use an erector set to build a new case that looks like a building under construction... just haven't gotten around to it
11:24
Use what ???
erector set... it's a 70's thing... I'm 'old'
hence the mr grix :P
the kids call them penis pumps
I guess it's even older than the 70's but was very popular when I was a kid
Erector Set is the trade name of a metallic toy construction set originally patented and manufactured by the AC Gilbert Company of New Haven, CT. that is popular in the United States. It consists of collections of small metal beams with regular holes for nuts, bolts, screws, and mechanical parts such as pulleys, gears, and small electric motors. The brand name is currently used for Meccano sets sold in the United States. History Patented in 1913, The Erector Set was invented by AC Gilbert in 1911, and was manufactured by the A. C. Gilbert Company at the Erector Square factory in New H...
11:28
why didnt you just say Meccano :P
God... I so want to post a question... "Does reading half the questions here make you more stupid or just make you want to punch someone?"
bookmarks are so useless (for me). It's surprising no one has managed to find a way of keeping track of links that works for lazy/unorganized people.
It's called never closing the browser :P
lol grizzly grixxly
hmm.. how about something as simple as a google search that only considers your previously visited links.
11:30
I'm trying to decide if it would get more upvotes then downvotes before it got closed
@HarryMexican i've been asking ppl that for sometime now
i k eep loosing track of my bookmarks and read later links
I should be working on my website... looks like shit so far but it works! :)
some1 should definetly make an app to organize links
@HarryMexican you can get that by pressing CTRL+H and seraching that
I guess you can probably do it already if you open your history and do a search, it's just not presented in a way that makes you doit
@HollyStyles right
11:32
@HarryMexican challenge accepted, how you wan' it to work?
let me think
Lol, can't stop clicking that bro-fist :) tee hee hee
I guess, as you start typing in the address bar in chrome, after the stuff chrome already suggests, you would see a list of snippets from pages already visited, with the keywords you are typing highlighted. It's actually pretty close to control+h and searching it seems.
I wonder if I couldn't take some aluminum pieces and drill them to make them look like girders of a building... anyone have any ideas?
Heh, erector set..
11:37
rule 34
Not for $500...
haha
gah my eyes are watering ...
what an annoying product video
@Bryan thanks... bastard... you owe me some images or $150 bucks PLUS SHIPPING!
Hi, does anyone have a clue to this: (wpf, windows 7)
I have a ListView, and it contains two entries (standard text). And the thing is that I don't want the rows to be so large, so I try to set the Height settings on the ListViewItems to 16. This works fine. However If I add a GridView with some headers then the text wont fit (it gets cutoff)
@Grixxly I don't own it
I would of bought one had they not stopped making the red version of it :-/
11:45
I'm about to :P
I don't know why they stopped making the red and only make blue and yellow :(
just switch out the leds
you show me pix when u haz it put together
I'm seriously thinking I'm going to pull the trigger on this one... I need a new case and I love the look of that one!
does the GridView add more than just the header and rows?
11:51
do it
its a beautiful case imo
id of got the red version if they still made it considering my motherboard is black and red
Nice... When my new case arrives I might actually consider getting more RAM lol it's on it's way :P
hmmm now I'm thinking of getting another vid card so I can power 4 monitors... Is that to geeky?
lol
your asking the wrong person
if i took a pic
you would be like omg
geek

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