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14:00
im a little off track today...
I feel terrible
I don't think I've ever seen a tif file actually being used.
Maybe in the assets files of some older games
Has anyone ever seen a message saying "Breakpoint set but not yet bound" when hovering over a whited-out breakpoint in VS?
@AlRey Eh.. I think of an 'anime character' as a character that appears in an an actual anime.. not some fanart bullshit. You can find the weirdest fanart bullshit of pretty much anything.
back in the day, doom used wad files, which were supposed to be literal "wads" of data
I think anime is considered more of a style now
14:05
@Hypersapien which is annoying cause there are so many styles of anime to the point where things that technically aren't anime get confused for it
see: my icon
okay looks like .tif files are for storing .bmp images
...does anyone still use .bmp?
Yeah, but they all have certain elements and themes connecting them
@AlRey possibly in games
I have no doubt whenever I make the cover for The Domain, people are gonna think it's a manga lmao
not a big fan of .bmp format
it has no alpha
Anyone know how to fix "Breakpoint set but not yet bound"? I've tried cleaning the solution, I've tries restarting VS.
14:09
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Q: Breakpoints set but not yet bound in Visual Studio

NovaDevRunning Visual Studio Community 2017. Created a WebAPI project, have a controller class in there, with some basic stuff, but when I go to run in debug mode, I get the following error on my breakpoints, and I haven't the foggiest idea why. The breakpoint will not currently be hit. Breakpoints set...

have you tried any of the solutions here?
I've learned the command cringe
Yes. That was the first thing I found when I googled the problem.
well shoot
@Hypersapien Which is usually what we suggest to you when oyu ask here
I thought setting the website defaults would've fixed it
14:13
not at all what I expected to happen when you open a bottle of liquid nitrogen in a pool
@Hypersapien I reject that!
I'll try rebooting the whole computer
ok wow I about had a heart attack
@JackSparrow OH I SEE HOW IT IS JACK
14:16
YOU'LL LEARN COMMANDS FROM OTHER PEOPLE. BUT NOT FROM ME
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhm
this is because i don't update you, isn't it
I got a call from Nebraska that turned out to be a spam call.....but for a solid second I thought it that guy who ghosted me
come back to yell at me or something
@AlRey You have issues lol
like the phone didn't even say it was a scam, even though it usually does
i'mma fuckin yell at you in a minute
I have issues cause I was worried someone I loved was out to get me?
14:18
You need a better identity than "some dude won't date me"
@Neil disappointing :(
scroll up; it's there
idk why you've been quiet up until right when I mention that
mr5
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@AlRey stop caring for people you're not close with
@Hans1984 ha ha, made you watch it too :)
feel the disappoint burn
@AlRey Why'd someone that ghosted you suddenly care enough to call you and yell at you?
14:19
because it's happened to me before
mr5
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Just block them completely
Problem solved
I have; that's not enough a lot of the time
@RoelvanUden They wouldn't, he thinks he's living in a romcom where one day this guy is going to realize his mistake and coming sprinting through the airport to stop him from getting on that plane and leaving forever
they change their number, call me back, and eventually I have to be the one that tells them to piss off
@MikeTheLiar speaking of which: piss off
You in my house, boy
14:21
our house*
I've already made it clear the next time I see that guy, I'm punching his teeth out
🎶 in the middle of the street 🎶
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Time to change identity then. Start identifying yourself as Chtulhu
or the flying spaghetto monster
@Neil it burns so bad , in my soul :'(
14:21
Sheesh, that's a lot of dedication for someone that decided to bug out.
that's where the disappointment always burns ;_;
@Neil very disappointing
bro I'm too used to getting attached to someone and then having this back and forth until eventually once I FINALLY get away from them, they change their mind and come crawling back to bug me again
such is life
You attract the crazies :-3
14:22
life is not fair
@RoelvanUden or he's attracted to emotionally unavailable and manipulative people because that's what feels familiar and safe
just do yourself a favor and seek people with a positive influence in your life
I can't make such an assessment based on a few online sentences, but who knows, maybe.
you shouldn't be seeking out people for any other reason or it can become toxic
I swear Mike is like that Facebook friend who doesn't say anything until he sees you screw up that ONE FUCKING TIME just so he can reprimand you
mr5
mr5
14:23
You're still lucky you don't have life-threatening disease
@mr5 ummmmmm
Mike is such a generic name
yea I do
I have (had) the poor habit to be interested in absolute train-wrecks.
I hope I'm over that now.
I mean i'll be honest @AlRey most of the time you are speaking in here, I see you talking about that situation in one way or another
Granted, i could be missing bits but still
14:24
Gotta feed the right wolf dude
>most of the time
>is actually my first time talking about him in weeks
most wew
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@RoelvanUden what does train-wreck means?
@mr5 Um... people that are totally screwed up in their head for some reason.
I've got no problem with kicking you if you are gunna reply with snarky shitty comments like that when people are trying to talk to you
So watch it
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@CaptainSquirrel what does these sentences mean? I can't understand it.
14:25
don't lie about me to my face, then
Are we talking about dating now?
@CaptainObvious no
1 min ago, by Captain Squirrel
Granted, i could be missing bits but still
Not if I have anything to say about it
14:26
Did you not see this comment or are you choosing to ignore it? @AlRey
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@RoelvanUden oh. New element for my vocabulary!
if "bits" is meant to be small things, then that's an understatement
in any case, can we get off this?
@CaptainObvious If you want to.
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@CaptainObvious we're talking sexual here. And the cute girl in that hospital
Hahaha I have no dating life. Or social life for that matter
What cute girl in the hospital?
14:27
@CaptainObvious That terminal one that you won't feel commitment issues with.
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I see you're denying you saw that cute girl in the hospital
The ubuntu server box also went RIP
I only did a god damn apt-get update
@RoelvanUden Until they go into remission and then you're stuck with them
WTF? I deleted the contents of bin and obj like the page said and now I can't start the project
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Ubuntu is copying Windows' phasing out?
14:28
I'm sure that was a storyline in Shameless
I    II
II   I cute girl
@CaptainObvious You can still bail out at that point bruh.
@CaptainObvious Shameless?
It was recently a storyline on Family Guy @CaptainObvious
i know that much
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@Hypersapien restore the packages first
@mr5 like a boss
14:29
Shameless is an American comedy-drama television series developed by John Wells which debuted on Showtime on January 9, 2011. It is an adaptation of Paul Abbott's British series of the same name and features an ensemble cast led by William H. Macy and Emmy Rossum. The show is set in the South Side of Chicago and filmed throughout the city, as well as Los Angeles.With the premiere of the ninth season on September 9, 2018, Shameless became the longest-running original scripted series in Showtime's history. In January 2019, the series was renewed for a tenth season, which premiered on November 10...
ahj fuck
anyone hear Linux 5.0 is gonna get some huge VPN-style update soon?
shit now i gotta change my passwords
@CaptainObvious That sounds like an awful series.
I fucking hate linux
but not more than Azure I swear
that series sounds familiar
14:30
But why
It's excellent
@HéctorÁlvarez nice passw0rd
why hate Linux? at least it doesn't fall apart with a single update :P
imma hacks all your moneis
FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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@AlRey hey, don't change your topic
Hey everyone! @HéctorÁlvarez is buying us new computers!!!
Who want's what!
@HéctorÁlvarez should invest in Lastpass
@mr5 It says all packages are installed and there's nothing to restore
@CaptainObvious I keep using the wrong keyboard, and because linux password has no visual cue I keep messing up
@HéctorÁlvarez i'll be honest, i've done that once in here too
like 4 years ago, but still
14:32
When I try to start the site I get an "Access denied" error for \bin\roslyn\csc.exe
*******
mr5
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@Hypersapien check all the projects if they restored their dependencies
Ah, the struggle of VS user
oh wow, all i saw was *******!
Oof fair paly
now you can't see my password hunter2
14:33
@mr5 nobody wants me to talk about it because apparently me even mentioning the fact that I was legit scared means I'm still in love with someone I gave up on ever speaking to again months ago
I'm gonna get kicked if I talk about it any more
(removed)
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yeah you better delete it
What are you talking about @HéctorÁlvarez, you can't see that my password is hunter2
all you'll see is *******
I wonder how many of you are actually trying that right now
you know if you write your SO password in this box, the system will automatically censor it :D
***********
see? just did
@AlRey I'm the only one whose deleted messages can be starred
14:34
jk ofc...don't do that
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@AlRey cuz u don't listen to us you unstable concoction
@AlRey that's the joke.tif
I know, when i type my password: hunter2, it is automatically censored!
jokes on you..my password is all asterisks :D
14:35
@CaptainObvious HAHAH .tif
Tif is an excellent format fuck you
My entire life is ass risks
legit we were talkinga bout it earlier
@MikeTheLiar wait what
why's everyone acting like the conversations from 20 minutes ago never happened?
14:36
did i stutter
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Jokes on you all. I don't have password because I use OAuth2
I've been busy today
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Peasants!
Pheasants?
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Pheasants?
14:36
Jokes on you, i don't have passwords
only mfa
@AlRey what conversations? who are you? What's my name!? Help me!
@MikeTheLiar HAH brofist
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@MikeTheLiar what does it mean?
that's it; half of this room is obvious trolls
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14:37
..............................are you only just figuring that out?
Hey all. I have a (possibly very ignorant) unit testing question for you. I have a unit test that needs to delete a folder but there are other tests that run that are using that folder, so the first test fails because it can't do the delete. Is there an attribute or something that I can set to have a specific test method run after everything else?
Is AlRey new?
6
apparently I must be
14:38
Welcome @AlRey
apparently the only times I ever speak in this room are when I'm mentioning an old friend in passing
and you...just woke from a coma?
@Hexum064 that sounds like something a unit test shouldn't be doing
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Passing?
bro I legit almost had a coma yesterday
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14:39
Means dying?
@AlRey Hello, welcome to the C# room!
Man, you failed the first time. Don't give up. Try again!
@MikeTheLiar, that's a red flag that went off in my head too, but without it, I don't know how to test that part of the code.
Have any C# related questions for us today, @AlRey?
means nothing...nobody says that.
14:40
Jack, tell Alrey welcome-c#
I mean the unit test is testing a piece of code that creates a folder if that folder doesn't exist.
Please press CTRL K to format code @AlRey
are you fucking kidding me jack
god this bot is the bane of my existance
@Hexum064 Yes, test cases can be sequenced and have dependencies. Depends on your test tool how to configure it.
14:40
I say c# because the actual word I wanna say right now is too vulgar
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Don't forget to read the MIT license room rules
@CaptainSquirrel did yoy host it on Azure?
we're being C#'in jerks, aren't we? :)
is it c u next tuesday @AlRey?
@Hexum064 that still sounds like something that doesn't belong in a unit test
14:41
@HéctorÁlvarez no, its on a server i rent
@RoelvanUden, thanks. Just using the unit testing built into VS2017
Jack, cringe
I just haven't updated him in a couple of months
and he's broken as fuuuuu
14:41
a u t i s m
Half of IT is autistic y'know
@CaptainSquirrel ios that server hosted on Azure? U see where I want to go rite?
I can tell
You're not?
@HéctorÁlvarez no, its hosted in a datacenter that i pay to rent the box
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14:42
@CaptainSquirrel did you put the "dumbbfuckjuice" meme?
@MikeTheLiar, not calling you out on this but why wouldn't you want to unit test that? Are you saying it's too similar to trying to unit test a database connection?
@CaptainSquirrel Is the box hosted on Azure?
It's kinda "Resource" bound?
@mr5 no, but you should definitely add that
@HéctorÁlvarez no ovh
The cloud is the evil
skynet
I'm laughing really hard but softly so you can't hear me if you are near me
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14:43
I'm on phone. Too lazy. It's too much work.
@Hexum064 there's like, a million different reasons IO can fail, most of which are outside of your control
also i have to learn lots of things for azure
and i haven't had the training in work yet
Unit tests should be deterministic
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
@MikeTheLiar, that's what I mean, and it's a very good point
is there an attribute for a test that marks it as not required to pass? (you know, so when I check this in, our CI/CD builds don't fail)
14:45
@Hexum064 this might have already been suggested, but have you considered writing a test that doesn't actually delete the folder, but instead checks if it has the permissions required to delete the folder?
If you're talking about creating the directory so other tests can use it, that should go in the setup/teardown methods but really what you should be doing is mocking and injecting it
then your test could pass without messing anything else up along the way
Jack, tell Captain kieran
14:46
It's actually a file in the Temporary Internet Files that I don't have permission to access. I tried deleting that folder so it would be rebuilt, but I'm getting the same problem.
Adding more file system dependencies to his unit tests is not the answer
This is not the way.
MOAR DEPENDENCIES
The folder isn't being created or deleted in service of other tests. It's a function of the program. The program itself needs to unpack some stuff into that folder.
I mean, the truth is, I'd love to be able to mark a number of tests as not-required as I have no idea how well they will work when tested on the servers (the program would never be run on the servers though)
What if i told you, this is the way
This is the way.
Not that.
14:50
Man. Letting a Portal 2: ABYSS mod gameplay preview vid run on another monitor and it really has me nostalgic for some Halflife.
@AlRey if u want I can set u up with @MikeTheLiar
You have a lot in common
Vital signs are dropping
Morphine administered
fracture detected
14:51
bin/roslyn/csc.exe doesn't have permission to access a file in the Temporary Internet Files, as a result the site gives an Access Denied error when I try to start it. Does anyone know how to fix this?
dammit now I have "The Way" stuck in my head
but where were they going without ever knowing the way..
alright got a new password pattern, now I have to decide how to implement it
over 70 bits of entropy
check if pattern matches entered password. If not, throw validation exception
seems pretty straightforward to me
14:56
Hardly, it's a random assortment of words that don't make sense except to me
Removing system.codedom from web.config seems to have fixed it
I just improved it by a metric ton using spanish letters
accented vowels and stuff
a question ensues, will there be any system that doesn't read it?
e.g. I write aáàçc, is that going to be received as OK by most password management places_
And my breakpoints work now!
Always happy to connect lovers
Maarten, go choke on a panini
15:02
Length: 9
Strength: Reasonable
Entropy: 46.9 bits
Charset Size: 254 characters
someone needs to come up with a password breaker service which when given a password will check if it exists in their password database, and if so, with a certain rarity. If it is rare enough, then it will say your password is secure
otherwise it will say it isn't. And that password gets added to the list
so it becomes a sort of collective password tester
seems like it would be relatively easy to implement too
@HéctorÁlvarez Yes, probably all banks for example
There´s one tool that tells you if your password exists in the document of the 100k most common passwords
but you could grow on that
@CaptainObvious so if my password is passwçrd I can´t use it?
15:06
would be a good start, but you'd keep track of frequency / rarity
seems like a good tool to harvest passwords
SHH!! @M.Doe
Not to be offensive, but absolute shit idea
if you use the password the tool itself told you not to use because it was insecure, then yeah
Not that I'd expect more from a rat ona cat
15:08
:4850408 hunter2: Oh no, definitely not. You see, it looks pretty close to some people who entered hunter1, gunter2, and hoonter2. You may want to update, that password comes pretty often.
Buy premium to know who used those passwords before you, and stay 1 step ahead!
@AlRey ???
well it wouldn't take usernames as a parameter..
seems like that would be an extraordinarily bad idea
@HéctorÁlvarez I hate windows but am forced to use it
wanna swap?
I'd kill for a debian at work
@Neil Where did you get that crazy idea. Of course it doesn't, but we will retrieve sooner or later.
@M.Doe what?
I go away for 20 minutes and get multiple pings; what do you want?
15:10
well then providing the 100k most common passwords is equally a bad idea and yet
Just reading the chatlog in my SO room
Why are you insulting people?
I leave my own chatroom alone for 1 day and it's all gone downhill
@M.Doe Well I bet it's a great OS once you've finished your PhD on understanding why the fuck I have to set up text config files for 2 hours in order to make a service work. But I'm not quite there yet, I like the idea of going places and downloading an exe file, rather than following a 2h tutorial on how to install the most basic thing
because the mods were being willfully ignorant and the rest of the mob decided to exacerbate when I tried defending my case, despite the fact that I'm trying to move on from this topic
Hector I've seen you in here for years now
No doubt ur smarter then me
Different strokes for different folks
no I'm not smarter than you ^^
15:11
I fucking hate that windows does shit automatically that I actively don't want it to do
Like docker if ur account is domain joined?
For someone who wants to move past talking about it, you sure do bring it up quite often/continue to talk about it...
I went raging around the office like a lunatic
It does. But I have to keep my rant focused on the one thing that buggers me today. You don´t want to be near when Windows updated itself automatically and goes perma-BSOD yet again.
Look buddy: Just gonna say it now because I'm a nob and I don't do sugar coating. @AlRey If you air your personal escapes in a public chatroom about programming of all places don't go about acting insulted that people reply harshly
ooh cool I learned how to hide posts from people
15:13
This chat is for programming help, not your personal psychiatry ward
That's basically it, when I finally learn how the stuff I want to install is supposed to work, Linux can come back to being a gud boi
lol did i just get my first block
What do you need help with Hector?
Am not a super user by any means but I know my fair share
This chat is not for psychiatric problems? ... What am I doing here then?
@CaptainSquirrel On who
15:13
hey I have an idea
shoot I lost it
Look man: just short & sweet.
I am also a flaming homosexual autist, but that doesn't put me above the rules
@M.Doe nothing much, the current problem isn't even Linux related, it's Azure throttling my machine because I did apt-get update.
oof
Sounds like an azure problem, not linux
Prior to that, it was Sinusbot not working and giving no reason why, which is a program problem
@M.Doe well that depends, if we attach a hot air balloon above you, the flames coming from you should be enough to elevate you above said rules
15:15
okay well since talking in this chatroom is like trying to learn art, I'm gonna go
Blocked @CaptainSquirrel
Then again, installing Sinusbot on Windows is as easy as double click, select options, install.
Second block today babyyy
well you can pull the curl from the registry probably @HéctorÁlvarez
then install the package normally
On linux, first you have to find your distro, and then follow a series of install procedures that may or may not be available. Probably there are alternatives, but definitely not in range of a linux noob like me.
@M.Doe I don't even know what that means. I know I did wget whatever-crap-they-told-me-to-download
15:17
yh thats what I meant :p
what distro you running?
it downloaded the program, which I installed correctly. But that's far away from the solution
Amazon Linux 2
I'm clueless, but believe it's somewhat based off Redhat
Hmmhm, never used it myself
the problem is this program needs a lot of libraries
Love RHEL but yh for a linux nub maybe not the distro to get your feet wet :')
the libraries are downloaded through several packages, but I don't have Aptitude, and there's no yum equivalent
There's also no automated install script
15:19
From the wiki you have dpkg
Just install yum
what's that?
a package manager
From what I can read on the aws documentation it comes preinstalled with yum
I'm trying to delete rows from a table (in Entity Framework) and I keep getting this error "it has a DefiningQuery and no <DeleteFunction> element exists in the <ModificationFunctionMapping> element"
@Harry shut your face roach
15:24
There are two columns in the table and they're set together as a Composite Primary Key
Each has a Foreign Key with another table
Wait, no. Scratch that last bit. I was looking at the wrong table
15:41
So... is it fixed?
You're welcome...?
@Neil see that masterful use of ellipsis
@HéctorÁlvarez ...
I was trying to imply lack of conviction.
15:58
...
16:09
I love hangfire
16:32
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Q: Is it bad to use special characters in passwords?

Héctor ÁlvarezI'm trying to find the best degree of entropy for a password template, and after carrying out several tests, the best result came from this: à. This symbol alone adds 160 characters of entropy (contrary to lower-upper case letters, numbers, or even symbols) and is readily available from a Spanis...

Feel free to spread your love across the stack
moar 2morrow
@HéctorÁlvarez I can't comment or vote on Super User but password entropy has rapidly decreasing returns past a certain point
The primary point of failure with any security system will always be social engineering and password reuse
It doesn't matter how strong passwords are if someone will just email it to you
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A: How many bits of entropy should I aim at for my password?

Tom LeekPassword meters are no good. Well, that's a bit simplistic, so let me say it in more details: a "password meter" application like the one you used is mindless and generic; what it measures is the effort of breaking your password, using the mindless and generic strategy that the password meter aut...

17:21
I really wish the Electrical Engineering room had more activity in it
is it plugged in?
hehe
V.7
V.7
@Hexum064 You may want to check out an IRC channel on freenode servers #electronics
@V.7 tnx
17:46
18:19
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