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22:00
@TomW might be onto something there..I don't want to whine about lack of proper architect because they probably just aren't there. But I definitely need to clarify expectations and project priorities.
I think im irritating you guys
Allocating time is literally like, item 1 on "how to be a manager"
yeah fair point
out of interest what do you work on in your job?
Me?
Application integration
Over a year on this project, in fact
...with not a lot to show for it
I'm a consultant, I can't force the client to do the large number of essential parts of this work that are outside my remit
@Gigitex we like to help. We're not so crazy about hand-holding.
22:04
:P
The error that you posted is quite clear and the solution is relatively straightforward.
  public void CheckOut(Guest NewGuest, bool Found)
        {
            string checkline = "Secretary Name: " + SecretaryName
            + "Room Number: " + RoomNumber + "Secretary Name: " + SecretaryName
            + "Reservationtype: " + ReservationType + "Guest Name: " + NewGuest.GuestName1
           + "Reservation Date: " + ReservationDate + Environment.NewLine;

            foreach (string line in File.ReadLines(path))
                if (checkline == line)
                {
                    Found = true;
i did this
@Gigitex yeah there is a point where we have to ask you to explain what you don't understand about the information you have
it did fix the error, but I dont know if it will make new errors with that bool
Well it'll do absolutely nothing
22:05
Your method signature is public void CheckOut
public *****void***** CheckOut
I dont know what a void is
never told us what a void is -.-
@TomW cool is contracting any better/worse than permanent in your situation?
@BrianJ well I am permanent
void means it doesn't return a value
just not permanent for the company I am currently working for
22:06
@BrianJ - Show them what you've done with your time, explain what you plan to do in the near future, and then explain how what you've done and what you expect to do factor into your estimation of when things will be complete. Then ask if any of that should be in different order or with different priority.
also Application Integration, are you integrating legacy with something or?
damn
Do you understand how to read method signatures?
nope
Never had too
@BrianJ mixture of legacy and new, building an enterprise service bus
22:07
always used private voids
blinks
hmm sounds like the place I work @TomW
@BrianJ where's that if you don't mind me asking?
@mikeTheLiar - So how about them Bears?
22:08
@TravisJ Da bears?
@Gigitex go back to your Deitel and Deitel and read more than the introduction
Daaa bears
hmm they are a printer manufacturer @TomW
Da Bulls
there is no introduction ;)
22:09
hello, do you guys know does & operator in an if statement check both conditions? (i.e. both must be true) or is that &&?
@BrianJ huh, fair enough. Not quite the answer I was expecting
@erotavlas & is bitwise, && is binary logical
think i should give up and stop with this study or something
From what you said I thought you were going to say a consultancy
and start over at another school
@TomW well the spin off do enterprise services
@Gigitex to be honest I think you need to study, you're right, we're at the point where we're answering questions and you don't seem to understand the answers, I think that's because you don't know enough about the language to use it properly. That's nothing you've done wrong, but you do need to have the prior understanding in place before you work with it
They should be teaching you this
They simply don't
They tell us to make this and that and fini.
anyways I'm out..have a good one
I will literally post you my old C# 2005 For Dummies book if you want
22:13
The next week you go to the teacher and say, "Monsieur, Je suis fini"
i dont have the time to read that, that's my problem ;p
@BrianJ o/
Have you made any progress with your Visa stuff?
tomorrow will be a good day :)
@Gigitex Well I don't know another language enough to be able to read any kind of book in it, but how long does it take you to read a novel in English?
@TravisJ visa stuff?
A day?
22:14
Yeah, the international work visa
oh to work in US?
yeah that
I kinda changed my mind on US as the work life balance doesn't seem great.
Germany looks like a good place in terms of employee benefits
Don't you live in Dublin? I'm sure we've had this conversation before, but why would you want to leave?
Germany has pretty nice downtime in the workforce
22:16
yeah we did, guess I'd like to try living in another country for a year
How many hours do you work per week now?
what is a novel?
a ~300 page book
oh it's a roman in dutch
I don't read books >.<
@TomW or move to Dublin, housing there is shit though. I mean demand wise and price
22:17
If it's just normal English, then it's ok
How do you expect to succeed if you don't read books?
Germany seems better housing wise also
but seeing some programming terms of you guys it will take a week
to understand the first sentence.
@TravisJ bout 39, not counting some odd evenings meeting deadlines
23 days vaca
i fixed the return, just deleted it
searching now for a method to delete the selected line in a file
22:18
Well the work week is accurate for the US, although vacation time tends to be based on seniority here, and 23 days is more than most give here
I could try UK again, but wasn't that impressed with London when living there
@BrianJ if housing demand is BS in Dublin it can only be worse in London
@Gigitex until you understand why that fixes anything you're not going to be able to move forward
im not going any further with software
just need to complete this semester
@Gigitex OK this is a good question to ask, the short answer is you can't, the only way you can do it is to read the whole file into memory, remove the unwanted line, and overwrite the file
22:20
and then im moving on to the business side of IT
the filesystem doesn't allow modifying in-place
yes i was thinking something like that too
@TomW yeah that's why I was thinking Germany, they seem to have there shizz together housing, economy, variety in cities and employee benefits
You wouldn't know that doesn't exist in .net unless you've already tried to and found you can't
no I have had filehandling before
but the teacher wants to see those 'skills' again
it's one of the 20 requirements
22:22
Are you based in Uk then Tom?
@BrianJ yarp
London or?
live in the vicinity of Oxford, work in Guildford at the moment
my company is based in Basingstoke
travel is sheeeit.
ah right aviation company?
nope
Software consultancy, that's all we do
22:23
ok
guess I'm really looking for a change of scenery. Been in my current city 6 years
Commute is a shit, hate it. Waiting to be moved onto something else
and population is relatively small
You a restless sort?
I guess, never was until I went backpacking that time about two years ago to Thailand
I was in college at the time and asked you guys here for advice lol
     public void CheckOut(Guest NewGuest)
            {
                string line = null;
                string checkline = "Secretary Name: " + SecretaryName
                + "Room Number: " + RoomNumber + "Secretary Name: " + SecretaryName
                + "Reservationtype: " + ReservationType + "Guest Name: " + NewGuest.GuestName1
               + "Reservation Date: " + ReservationDate + Environment.NewLine;

                using (StreamReader reader = new StreamReader(path))
                    {
22:26
!!tell gigitex format
@gigitex Format your code - hit Ctrl+K before sending and see the faq
have you moved around with jobs or stayed in Uk?
sorry, forgot
@BrianJ never worked anywhere else but I've had a handful of jobs in this general area
in theory I could be sent anywhere for work, actually we had an Irish delegation in the office the other day, there was an email that came round
@Gigitex Are you reading and writing to the same file?
22:28
"Tidy your desks and don't swear"
yes
is that wrong?
oh wait
it does it on the same time
yeah I guess guys at work told me not to get stuck in the same city for years. They are there for like 15 years now and started as grads
so would like to venture further a field for a bit at least.
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A: How to both read and write a file in C#

MikeWYou need a single stream, opened for both reading and writing. FileStream fileStream = new FileStream( @"c:\words.txt", FileMode.OpenOrCreate, FileAccess.ReadWrite, FileShare.None);

nothing to loose really, might be unemployed for a bit if it doesn't work out
always work in IT in Ireland anyways
22:30
@mikeTheLiar don't know how to fit that with my code
@BrianJ I can endorse Oxford as a very nice place to be, but it's one of the absolute worst anywhere with respect to earnings/cost of living
yeah I bet Oxford aint cheap.
average age of a first-time buyer is 45
3 bedroom semi is £500k
minimum
oh
well my savings pale in comparison
but the average earnings are meh
the hospital and the university and a tiny handful of tech and finance firms with tiny headcounts pay well, everyone else struggles for money
22:34
yeah I'm getting as much dev experience as I can at the moment in grad job. Jumping at most dev porject floating around. Just so I will have a better standing if I decided to up sticks and move somewhere else
@Gigitex well I mean I'm not sure but having the same file open for reading and writing in different streams feels very dangerous
@BrianJ actually there is an advert up around that way for a firm that I think is like quant finance or consultancy in that general area offering brand new grads 36k
i think it will be a loop
because it's reading lines till there are no lines left
my mates dad was in Oxford hospital, had a motorcycle crash..they are good at what theydo
but its also writing lines
22:35
you know, I work at Microsoft and I'm hiring if you like the Seattle area.. :)
its like adding 1 and deleting 1
@BrianJ yep JR is a regional serious accident centre
@TomW oh nice can't say math is one of my strong point though
we did do 3d graphics and all that kind of math in Uni. But wouldn't like a job face to face with it every day
quant finance sounds mathy :P
@BrianJ I work on quant finance software. It is.
@mikeTheLiar yeah so nope
22:37
But the good news is that I don't actually need to understand the math
The quants understand the math. I just need to understand the spec.
@BrianJ huh OK I misunderstood, it's actually this firm tpp-uk.com
hmm intriguing
nothing to do with finance
and apparently not in Oxford either, just poaching their grads
Leeds
ah ok, I'm coming up on just over a year now as a dev in industry. Planning to wait min two years before making a move again.
Never been, bloke I worked with lives there, likes it
22:38
Guess it looks bad if I left a job after one year
2:1 or higher at degree level
A*AA at A level (A* in Maths)
wow ok, no
@BrianJ only if that happens multiple times
1) A* didn't exist when I did them
Healthcare seems to be a big cashcow i IT, one of my mates got snapped up for an american health firm in Dublin
@TomW only had Dijkstra, huh?
22:39
an A* didn't even know that existed lol
It is a pathfinding algorithm
ah A*
@TravisJ in context it's an available grade in English and Welsh school exams
@TravisJ I think they're talking about English exams
22:40
now I remember learning off the algorithm for that in thoery of algorithms module
oh, my bad
That's the whole premise of the dijkstra joke
Heh, I thought you were being serious
@BrianJ do they have UCAS in Ireland?
if they don't you won't know what I'm talking about so...
centralised university admissions, based on points given for grades
string[] lines = File.ReadLines(path);

can i use a cast here?
22:42
they have CAO @TomW
ahaa
got like 320 at the time I think
pretty average
460 ^.^
software dev course was like 250 points because so many drop outs
@Gigitex why would you need to?
22:44
well, it's one of the requirements
but i see it doesn't work
There's an irritating gulf in top UK universities between "asking enough ucas points to weed out the thickoes" and "only if we like you"
Once you're on track for at least 1 or 2 A's the points tallies stop mattering
600 won't get you into Oxford if you don't ace the interview
Which to be honest is fair, but if that's so, stop pretending ucas points matter
yeah
long time since I had to worry about them
jobs here look for Uni results
most
I think I'll bear the resentment of going to 4th choice forever
no, 3rd
@TomW if it makes you feel any better I ended up going to my safety school
Before promptly dropping out
in retrospect Reading should have been 4th choice because Durham is...well, better
but the North is scary...
22:48
I went to the MIT of west Ireland
lol
nice
I worked at MIT, does that count?
count for what?
I don't know, school cred? I'm a twice college dropout, I need all the points I can get
guess it counts yeah
I was joking, mine was GMIT
22:52
I was a lazy bastard at uni
cannot imagine how it would go if I went back there with a work ethic
s/at uni//
s/was/am/
I is a lazy bastard?
Good grammaring, retard
I didn't finish college, remember? I can barely read.
yeah wondered that, but then thought why would I even want to go back to Uni? spend all that money for what
yeah truth, only if you have money to burn and also to live like a peasant
22:54
I mean how relevant would the experience be
Having a degree puts you in a higher pay bracket automagically.
Those chicks tho
but then factor in the cost of doing the extra degree
and the loss at not working for a year
yeah more than one degree, unless you want to do something totally different with your life, never going to earn its money back
I mean there were loads of hot chicks in college, but I never got near them really :P
22:55
That is a separate issue
Don't be afraid of spending money on a degree, it is worth it
yeah maybe that's one for the psychologist lol
I had a colleague, now a developer, spent more years than I have in his first career as a cardiac nurse
The fightiest fucking pisshead druggie I've ever met
And the language, good god. I'm amazed he held that job
to put that effort in to get a nursing degree then give up on it
they are treated like absolute shit though
yeah I guess
does he prefer developing?
Sounds like it
Don't get me wrong he was absolutely sound, if you're his mate
If you're not you've got problems

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