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19:00
I do not want to attack a website
I just want to know so that i can show off with my friends, know what i mean ?
:P
its returning a 503 every time i try to hit it..... but the solution containing the service, and the service its self is pretty stable, so i'm 99.9% its not the service code
Nobody here will tell you how to hack a website, nor what kind of knowledge you need, nor point you in the right direction.
@RoelvanUden ah yeah
If you want to gain that knowledge, you need to find it somewhere else.
@Steve Kill it in task bar, restart debugging. That at least forces the dev server to reboot completely.
19:01
kk
IIS express does go crazy sometimes.
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi That would not fall under my definition of hacking... That is just called being an asshole with knowledge. Oh and also breaking the law, and destroying / defacing someone else's hard work.
@EvanL what is your definition of hacking?
In my opinion, the correct usage of the word "hacker" is in this meaning: an expert at programming and solving problems with a computer
19:07
posted on May 08, 2014 by Scott Hanselman

My buddy Greg and I are getting ready to launch our little side startup, and I was going through our product backlog. Our app consists of a global cloud service with Signalr, an iPhone app made with Xamarin tools, and a WPF app. One of the items in our Trello backlog was "Support Windows XP. Gasp!" I hadn't given this item much thought, but I figure it was worth a few hours look. If it was

And then media got hold of the word, and now every script-kiddie that defaces AOL is a hacker.
Hacking = using expert knowledge of programming to quickly solve a problem and produce a favorable result. Typically a "hack" is a fast way to prove that you are able to solve the problem, and then you might go back and re-write the code in a more design friendly manner.
@LasseV.Karlsen by the definition you just wrote I really want to be a hacker :)
We all strive to be "hackers" by @LasseV.Karlsen's defiition. It just has poor media connotations.
At my new job we do "Hack Fridays". You get to code whatever you'd like as long as you can complete it in a day and as long as it could be used in some way at some point in favor of the company.
Some people hack nerf guns lol
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi Good article on the origins of the word "Hacker" cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/hacker.html
Right, I am still at the beginner's level, busy in completing assignments all day and night. Right now working on a gym management system
I have a question I recently made a software that installs other software using process.start(), I made it on .net framework 4.5.1 how can i change it to 3.5 without doing all the stuff again. I changed it from the target framework in the properties of project in vs but I had a lot of errors.
19:24
Why do you want 3.5?
That happens if you use 4.5-features and then try to target 3.5..
because of my client's demands
Can't you get them to install .NET 4.5?
... Once again, and that's why we do requirements BEFORE writing code.
19:26
Yes I gave them .net 4.5 but its taking too long to install on slower pcs
Without knowing what error messages you're getting, it's impossible to answer your question. You're going to have to change something, if the act of downgrading the .NET version supported gives you error messages.
installation time is an issue? good god
As @RoelvanUden Said, if you use .NET 4.x features, you will have to rewrite those portions.
the whole point of making the software was to make the process faster, its a custom installer which installs selected software silently
like chrome firefox etc
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi Tell the client to wait for an install, or he/she will have to wait even longer for you to re-write the code....
19:28
SILENTLY?
SHHHH!
Oh whoop whoop, you made a chocolatey.org clone.
No all the features that I have used are available in 3.5
If your installer installs something without my permission, don't put it past me to track you down and beat you.
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi then you shouldn't have any errors...
19:29
If only there were some way to find out what those errors say...
Silently without any user interaction. Like the user have to select the software he wants to install and click install then it will install without any interactions. of course it will ask for permissions everytime a setup is executed
wait let me tell you the errors
Um, that's how all installers work
Except the ones that let you play a game while you wait
@KendallFrey Alas, that would require a display of some sort, and a list of those error messages to be displayed on that display. We're just going to have to wait until someone invents such a device I guess.
I guess so
No no like you just have to click install and dont have to tell the setup anything like signing agreements providing your information selecting destination to install etc
19:31
All that stuff has a purpose
Are you providing software that doesn't require reading a license agreement?
What if they want to install to a different folder?
Then they have to click on a different button wait let me show you the screenshots
What if the license you made them magically agreed allows the issuer to stitch their mouth onto someones anus?!
Not like they would have read it, but it's the principle of the thing.
People do the silent install all the time, like in a company where they have to install a software on a lot of pc's they silently install it. Furthermore I obtained the parameters to silent install from all the software
*'s official documentation
Hi
im here 4 first time
19:35
Hey @QMaster
hi syed
not bad
i had free time and i think to reload some articles
so i saw chat in the corner and i clicked
suddenly i found myself here
thx all
19:37
Welcome @QMaster
can u explain to me difference between chat and question
QMaster is about to find out just how far down the rabbit hole goes....
is this place good for finding answers
@QMaster Yes sometimes, what is the question?
@QMaster 100%
19:38
i have many question every time
Yeah me too :P
but not just exactly now
;)
for this time
If you have a concrete question with all the details, the best place is the main site.
@RoelvanUden LOL!
If you have a more vague question, we don't really want it either, but you can try us :)
19:39
i curies about responsive UI with asp.net MVC
mmmm curries
yeap
i love stackOverFlow
@QMaster What specifically regarding responsive UI's in MVC?
i think this is the best article site
im working to multilingual site
and i try to create responsive UI based on CSS
@Evan
I know we have Media in CSS
and we can use flexBox
and sometimes Percentage rather explicit values
Can i paste photos here?
19:44
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi where r u from?
Pakistan
@QMaster
cool
::slinks away quietly::
and Im from Iran
19:45
Oh nice,
@EvanL can i paste photos here?
thanks
@EvanL can i know where r u from?
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi Use the upload button to the right of the send button near the chat entry box.
@QMaster I am from USA
good 4 u
I do not have a update button here
:(
:)
@EvanL can u advise me about best responsive way to do for MVC
19:47
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi it might have a reputation boundary on it. Not sure, it should say "upload..."
@QMaster I don't think I understand what your specific question is?
@EvanL didn't you said try u with vague question? :)
im joking
ok
@QMaster Nope... That was @LasseV.Karlsen. I don't think it is even A question honestly... all you said is that you can use fluxbox. That's not a question.
I want to know the best approach to create responsive site
@KendallFrey If the user wants to install to a different location then he can do it by clicking on custom install and select the software he wants to install and install like he usually does
19:49
sorry
@QMaster javascript
i had mistaken
@KendallFrey do u think javascript is best way to responsive and not CSS?
depends, but if it can be done with CSS, it probably should be
??
i'm confused
************** Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at RoyalComputerProject.mainPage.mainPage_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e) in e:\Important Data\RoyalComputerProject\RoyalComputerProject\mainPage.cs:line 93
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
19:52
I don't know if large companies use media in css or not
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi And what is on that line, mainpage.cs, line 93?
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi The error is on line 93...
Obviously an object reference there is not set.
wait checking
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi What is null?
19:54
UInt64 sizeHardDisk = (UInt64)(harddisk["Size"]) / 1073741824;
and harddisk is what?
is harddisk null?
var harddisk = new ManagementObjectSearcher("select * from Win32_DiskDrive")
.Get()
.Cast<ManagementObject>()
.First();
So then that didn't work, it returned null.
but it was working fine before :(
19:55
before what?
Before he switched to .Net 3.5 target
@EvanL @KendallFrey don't you answer for me?
@QMaster you should use CSS media queries
@QMaster If you ask a question I might
Warning 1 Could not read state file "obj\Debug\RoyalComputerProject.csproj.GenerateResource.Cache". Unable to find assembly 'Microsoft.Build.Tasks.v12.0, Version=12.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b03f5f7f11d50a3a'. RoyalComputerProject
and this is a warning i am getting when on .net 3.5
19:56
@MarcinJuraszek but what about between sizes?
That assembly is part of Visual Studio 2013, is it not?
for exam when user change browser size
he gets different experience
that's what responsive web design is all about, isn't it?
what?
No, it's part of the full .NET version, the sdk.
19:57
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi Are you targeting 3.5 client? Or 3.5 full?
^ that might be important
one more question does 3.5 have system.Threading.Tasks?
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi No, that's 4.0 (i'm pretty sure)
it gave me error pointing to that so i changed it to System.Threading
19:57
@MarcinJuraszek do you have answer for that?
@EvanL 3.5 full
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi No, you have to replace all your task code
for what?
can you clarify the question?
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi Async/Await is not available in .Net 3.5
and how do i find me task code????
*my
19:58
Task does not exist in .NET 3.5.
it won't compile
@KendallFrey
Didn't you write your task code?
@QMaster Why did you ping me?
No i didnt... :(
19:59
didnt see my question?
/facepalm
After i change the system.threading.tasks to system.threading there are no errors left except for the one about not finding the assembly
What are you using from that assembly?
Then apparently you aren't using it at all
20:00
if use media for responsive what about middle sizes? between sizes for exam when user change browser size
anyone Knows?
if use media for responsive what about middle sizes? between sizes for exam when user change browser size
Yes exactly I am not using it, but it was there since when I created the new project I chose the target framework to be 4.5
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi It's just an unsed reference, that's why it's a warning. Locate it in your references folder and remove it (it should have a yellow exclamation point on it).
@QMaster There's no point in repeating the question. If anyone knows, and wants to answer, they'll do so.
I don't get what you mean by between sizes
e..g you have one size for phones
another one for desktop
thnks @LasseV.Karlsen
20:02
I think he means is it a good practice to resize media using CSS, and if not what should he use?
and you're worried what happens for sizes in between?
yeah @MarcinJuraszek
you should not have gaps in your media queries sizes
either have third size option (e.g. for tablets)
or decide to serve mobile/full version for those sizes
many tablets and smart phones have various dpi
specially androids
OK now when i Execute I am getting this error
InvalidCastException was unhandled which points to
((System.ComponentModel.ISupportInitialize)(this.splitContainer1)).BeginInit();
20:04
So then the container doesn't support ISupportInitialize.
in smart phones and most tablets you can't changing size of browser
but in pc
and in pc
You're going to have to go through all those errors one by one and fixing them.
How do i fix this one?
you could change browser window size that affect media
20:05
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi Welcome to debugging... just address what each of the errors is telling you. You are not getting anything that ambiguous.
so u have many many sizes
and your page should update (change to mobile version when mobile threshold is reached) automatically
and it will, because that's how media queries work
for exam fullHD from 1920 to 1900 to 1820 ....
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi Might have to just delete that line and its corresponding EndInit method, but it might not actually work afterwards either. I assume you are using Source Control?
i think you didn't understand my mean?
ok
it's to late for me
20:06
check this site
and try changing window size
oh thanks @MarcinJuraszek
that's how responsive web design works
i will check it
i must go to sleep
20:07
Tell me something what would be better fixing all the errors one by one or just copying all the forms on a new project and copying all the code?
but i hope to see u again
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi If you do that, you would most likely get all the same errors.
and can i know where r u from @MarcinJuraszek
@QMaster Why do you care?
no matter
20:08
good quesion, @KendallFrey :)
just for know
but anyway, I'm from Poland, but I live in the US now
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi Copying the code would just give you the same project
No if i create a new project and copy the code, It will work. I know that because it was working fine before changing the framework.
i like to know big programmer family where r they from
20:09
lol
thanks
@Steve You hear that? We're related!
good o_O
hahaha
yeap
i think programmers (programming lovers) are related
anyway
20:11
lovers lmao
have a good time
i must go
bye all
Nothing like chasing invalid data backwards through several layers of logic to find a bug :(
Ok one more question sorry if i am asking too many questions :P
I want to display data from database in charts on winform
like month, profit
Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, will eventually exist as incoming data and break your code's assumptions about edge cases.
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi and ...?
20:20
and i dont know how to do it :(
Use a chart control perhaps?
Break it up into smaller problems
I am following this
Do you know how to load data from a database?
20:21
but i am stuck at this part
In the Configure the Select Statement page, select Specify a custom SQL statement, and then click Next.
there is no configure the select statement page
@KendallFrey Yes Kendall I have made two management systems and I can do the crud operations
Which version of Visual Studio are you using?
That page is for 2012, so there might be differences.
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi Do you know how to display charts on a form?
But there is no 2013 in other versions dropdown
20:23
Correct, so you're going to just have to experiment.
Yes I dragged a chart control from toolbox on the form
Do you know how to get data into it?
I know it has a datasource propery which i Can set to my database dataset which is already made (used for other forms, complete database) but I don't know where can i go and apply my select query so that the values retrieved are like sum(fees) against months
So you don't know how to get data from the database?
Or at least not the data you want?
I know that, I dont know how to set it to the chart control
Listen i can execute my query fine by selecting server explorer right click on my database and then new query and execute that shows the data that i want but how do i set it to the charts control
20:27
the datasource property?
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi But do you know how to get the data into your program?
Figure out exactly where you're stuck
Somehow I feel like this wouldn't have been a problem for Bill Gates.
I get it i have to code, and create a new dataset and set it to the datasource manually
i was trying to find in the properties sidebar
and set it there
but i could only select the whole database there
I love our pluralization rules.
x = y + "s";
Select sum(FeesRelationship.Fees), Months.MonthID From FeesRelationship, MemberInfo, Months, Years Where FeesRelationship.MemberID = MemberInfo.memberID
and FeesRelationship.MonthID = Months.MonthID and FeesRelationship.YearID = Years.YearID;
getting this error
Column 'Months.MonthID' is invalid in the select list because it is not contained in either an aggregate function or the GROUP BY clause.
20:37
It's cause you're trying to use the aggregate function SUM
so what should i do???
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi Add GROUP BY Months.MonthID
I mean i want the sum of all the fees in the fees column
bingo
:)
Do you want the sum of all fees ever? Or the sum of fees by month id?
It looks like you can get rid of MemberInfo and Years from your FROM clause
20:39
So I was just reading over the rest of QMaster's conversation... what did he mean by "i think programmers (programming lovers) are related" ?!
I want a programming lover =(
Oh wait nvm
@EvanL Just read up a bit
Actually yeah it looks like you can drop it
@KendallFrey I saw the family one too XD
sum of fees by month id by year id
wait let me show you my erd
20:40
@KendallFrey Is @Steve your programming lover who is also related? Programmer incest?!
ohhh yeah
ok now tell me if i should drop memberinfo and years/?
and one more question if you do not mind, I have been asking this to so many people, Is my database normalized to the max? lol
No
No database is
BTW, that's completely unreadable
why is the text so small?
what the fuck did i walk into
20:45
@Steve run away!
I do not know Its fine on my pc
our family
^
and... programming lovers
may i show you in a meeting on teamviewer???
20:46
Maybe you should hire a developer
2
ouch...
DataSet dataSet;
ConnectionClass.GetInstance().connection_string = Properties.Settings.Default.MindMuscleConnectionString;
ConnectionClass.GetInstance().Sql = "Select sum(FeesRelationship.Fees), Months.MonthID From FeesRelationship, MemberInfo, Months, Years Where FeesRelationship.MemberID = MemberInfo.memberID and FeesRelationship.MonthID = Months.MonthID and FeesRelationship.YearID = Years.YearID GROUP BY Months.MonthID;";
dataSet = ConnectionClass.GetInstance().GetConnection;

chart1.DataSource = dataSet;
someone who knows how to take a screenshot at least
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi Why don't you ask a question on StackOverflow, with proper tags (probably SQL?)
that's C# room, isn't it?
You'll get better responses on StackOverflow
20:47
chat is good for some questions, but don't not really play well when you have that many lines of code, diagrams, etc.
and when you're in incorrect room ...
ask a question on SO, and post a link here
for a very simple reason I am banned, plus I was just asking how to populate charts control and it kind of drifted away to the database
How did you get banned?
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi "For a very simple reason" my ass. You were banned because you can't contribute good questions to the site
The issue is that somehow people think they can crowdsource their dev process by issuing a series of questions on stackoverflow
It is fairly common.
The issue is that it sometimes works
20:50
Yes, that is also part of the problem
I'm guilty of that...
Stack Overflow is going to have serious problems over the next couple of years.
Just have to close questions faster
It ain't getting better
Bans get hit quicker too
@Lasse - Did you see my request for close vote weights?
20:51
I wonder what percentage of SO users are question banned
I agree... sometimes it takes forever looking through 'newest' to find anything answerable, or non-duplicate.
dude I am telling you the pic is fine on my pc, plus thats not a screenshot, I created on vs and then I exported as a image. and yes I didnt asked good questions I was new to it I did not know how to, But after that I started editing posts and wikis and doing good things that i could but now i am very busy will get back to that as soon as my exams are over.
@TravisJ Sorry, no.
I saw a discussion the other day about how high-rep users are contributing less and less.
And I see that problem easily. Main problem, for me, is that earlier, a year or two ago, when the site was still young, you got programmers who actively searched for information, and then stumbled upon Stack Overflow. The fact that they were out searching for information meant that they ranked above average in experience and knowledge already.
So you had much higher quality questions.
Now 19 out of 20 questions are duplicate or questions you know is a bees nest, attempt to answer and it'll spawn 3 new questions in the process.
Like most questions we get in here. They're not asked on Stack Overflow because we have to drag all the details out of the person asking.
20:54
@LasseV.Karlsen I have a string. What is the problem?
=P
And we all know that if Syed did what was suggested earlier, go post his question on Stack Overflow, it would be closed with extreme prejudice, either too broad or too little information.
What about too specific?
So I think we'll see more of this kind of problem.
More meta-discussions about how to improve the content, how to give high-rep users more leverage and power to deal with an ever-increasing queue of flags, how to motivate high-rep users to contribute more high-quality content, etc.
And all the time I can only hear two words: Extrinsic Motivation.
What is a gold badge? 1000 score?
It works for a while, and then most people start to game the system. Can I get more points if I edit a bunch of questions randomly? Good, then I'll do that.
Can I get a badge if I just randomly edit some tags? Nice!
20:56
@Lass
@LasseV.Karlsen Yes all my questions were closed as too broad
noice, only 100 upvotes to go in
One thing that duplicates solve is keeping solutions up-to-date. I don't know how many people will post on a question years old
-1
Q: How to make a custom installer

Syed Farjad Zia ZaidiI have already asked this question before, and it was closed "TOO BROAD". But I am asking again but just need a little introduction to solve my problem. I want to make a installer that will install other software such as Skype, Google Chrome etc. On my previous post I got the following comment: ...

That's where they're supposed to
20:58
@JamieLester but how often you have to change the answer, because it's not accurate anymore?
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi Why did you ask again?
But why should I care? If I see a question I "know" is a duplicate, do you think I'll take time to investigate another question to see if it's really worth salvaging anything from it?
Framework questions tend to need updating
@LasseV.Karlsen does this close as duplicate with just one vote if you have gold badge in the tag work on SO?
@SyedFarjadZiaZaidi: Stack Overflow, this room, and a Q&A site is not the right place for "an introduction". You need either a book, a class, or a 1-on-1 session with an experienced programmer. A busy room won't do you any good.
20:59
@MarcinJuraszek needs 2 votes

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