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6:01 AM
Hello hello :-)
 
@Jaap OP said they did not want that but something else. I already reopened until I realized that all they needed was for group to be included in the group_by statement...:)
Morning all
 
@Sotos you can hammer it again ;-)
and also a good morning :-)
 
@Jaap Let me get me hammer then
 
6:17 AM
when you raise a bounty and realise that you are on wrong platform stackoverflow.com/questions/56998092/will-be-deleted
 
@Jaap Re-Hammered :)
 
:-)
 
6:48 AM
@Frank I would hope the main conclusion from her experience would be to consult the stakeholders before implementing new policies.
 
7:43 AM
@Frank Nice reference - right on topic. I don't think I ever saw it before. Funny how thought of that
 
8:01 AM
@Frank I don't know, after reading Joels and her post I got a bit convinced. I guess I'm judging people from my current stance rather from a point of view of a SO newb. The only thing I don't agree is that I don't think we need so much new questions/users as it seem like pretty much anything that could be asked already been answered and the new users mainly post dupes and bad quality questions which add nothing to the site.
Re the "We will empower our long time users to become mentors and teachers"- didn't we try that already and failed?
 
8:17 AM
oh, I guess we didn't fail, rather just stopped the experiment
 
Hello
@Frank yeah at the moment all is "cute" blablabla, let's see how it translates into actions.
^^^ This doesn't happen often, all negatives all at the same time.
 
8:57 AM
 
@zx8754 This happens on the more popular tags like Python, JS, etc. these guys can slaughter a newb and all the newbs that trying to help him within seconds
 
I'd always prefer to be told "your idea is rubbish go re-think".
 
9:15 AM
While I can't claim to have a good overview of what is happening in the r tag, my gut feeling is that most questions are not met with such snark as some may think. This may not be the case for other tags. That being said, good newbie questions are regularly upvoted.
By good I mean well written (clear problem and question, reproducible example if possible) and researched.
 
@DavidArenburg I once attempted to go into python room to ask a question before posting it. I felt so bad, that I left the room, never to return!!!
Those guys are savages!
 
9:44 AM
Oh yeah? I've been hanging in there for some time now and the experience was neutral or nice.
 
10:03 AM
@RomanLuštrik But are you a newbie? i.e. did you make any 'obvious' questions?
 
10:15 AM
In python, I would consider myself a newbie and the questions that I had must have been really basic.
But not obvious to me.
 
Close as "why no work" or "dupe" ? stackoverflow.com/q/57109476/680068
 
SO has millions of visitors. Even if 0.1 % of people have a bad experience that's still a lot of people in absolute terms.
@zx8754 Marc's comment should be the answer, I think.
 
10:41 AM
@RomanLuštrik this is turning into "no idea what I am doing anymore"
 
Very consistent with new users. :) I think it's our job to spot where user is stuck and help out.
 
Good (Central time still very early) morning -- four close votes for non-question, please: stackoverflow.com/questions/57105625/…
 
11:38 AM
Or not. I answered now. Still a weak question.
 
11:50 AM
In either-way, I wasn't even referring to chat rooms as they are really no-mans land, rather to the moderation intensity on the main site. I also agree that on we are usually civil, but our tag is very low traffic compared to the top tags
 
Check :) even more civil... wel ok, there's nearly no moderation as long as the OP doesn't add to its question :o)
 
12:45 PM
Anyone here ever dealt with sqlite database and pool objects?
When I try to create a table, it throws an error. This work without the overlaying pool object.
 
 
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4:09 PM
@Roland that used to be how things worked, but it doesn't sound like they're interested in hearing from meta or contributors generally any more. instead, they will survey the new users and tell us they know what we would say and want already. "The great news is we have experienced researchers, data scientists, and an amazing product manager that will be gathering feedback from us, the community, and many other places and partners to make educated decisions about solutions."
i mean, i hope it works, but the odds don't seem in their favor if they are even more afraid of interacting with SO (and meta) than these new users are, agreeing with @zx8
@DavidArenburg yeah, i think the right way for a mature Q&A site to make sure it maintains its usefulness as a resource for years to come is not "rapid registered user growth". given that situation, maybe they should/could make it both (i) harder for poor questions and dupes to reach the site and (ii) easier for people who buy into the site's mission to get privileges/rep faster (since it's not so easy as it used to be, with most questions having been asked/answered)
maybe being welcoming could draw in new mentors to help with both of those, actually, but that sort of customer-service stuff is not the mission current users signed up for...
 
 
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5:43 PM
@Frank Mentoring is very hard if you can't actually talk with the mentee. Also, the time commitment is too large. Most people who are good at it, are already doing it. Just not on Stack Overflow. And of course, I have personally no desire to mentor a random newbie. My mentoring goes to our phd students.
 
yeah, good points
 

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