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12:00 AM
Still, a lot more work :P 300 LoC vs 10
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yeah it pulls the user id out of a "/users/1234" link.
 
@JeremyBanks why would I be IP banned?
@JasonC .split("/").pop() :P?
Oh, I have an excess " in the code above btw.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum It was copied from the activity profile graph code, which was pulling links whose form I didn't know was consistent before I started, so I just went with a catch-all.
 
Ok then
@JeremyBanks if you want it to query every 5 seconds it's not a lot more work, it's just:
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Just remarking on the lack of caching, so you'd end up spamming SO too much if you had more than a few users.
 
12:04 AM
It's hard to get IP banned; I do know you can grab a page every 2 seconds for eternity without hitting a throttle. When I was grabbing 10+ pages per second I'd get temporarily banned after a few seconds. Dunno the exact limits, I didn't want to test it.
 
let [express, cheerio, request] = ["express", "cheerio", "request"].map(require);
let value = {};
setInterval(() => {
    request("http://stackoverflow.com/election/6?tab=primary", (err, data) => {
          value = cheerio.load(data).find("tr[id*=post]").map((i, el) => ({
              username: $(el).find(".user-details a ").text(),
              profile: $(el).find(".user-details a").attr("href"),
              score: $(el).find(".vote-count-post").text()
         })).get();
}, 5000); // every 5 seconds
 
I'm expecting Raghav to get a good influx of votes in a few hours...
 
How many people make the cutoff?
 
I wonder how showing the nomination comments would have affected the results
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum you bastard ! I was just working on that!
:closes sublime:
 
12:08 AM
@JasonC I do know that you can scrape pages once every second for a very long while and not hit a temporary ban (not sure if you can "for eternity," but I was scraping for a while and never hit it with a delay of 1 second)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum cheerio?
 
jQuery in node
 
@rlemon I have no idea if mine works, I typed it in chat
 
I was pretty much at the same spot, minus finding all of the proper selectors
 
Oh, I cheated since I already did that for @AstroCB's code a little back ago for the fiddle jsfiddle.net/v8srsxd3
this was the original jsfiddle.net/AstroCB/5frgy9nx
 
12:12 AM
syntax error @Benjamin :P
 
wait
@BenjaminGruenbaum is that javascript?
 
@Seth Yes.
 
ah, well it gave me a syntax error when I ran it on the election page.
 
It's ES6
 
12:14 AM
It's just newer JavaScript, it's ES6
 
You need Firefox to run it.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum aha, that's why it looked odd.
 
(I think)
 
Well I use Firefox so..
 
Also, it's server-side code, why would it work in the browser?
 
12:15 AM
umm, you might have to enable some kind of debugging thing
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum aha, that's why.
 
Oh lol I didn't even notice the require in there.
 
Yeah lol, it's for node, it runs express :P
 
I was trying to figure that out :P
 
12:18 AM
@Doorknob Chrome 42...
maybe? Actually, depends what part of ES6 you're using.
 
Doesn't even matter, since it's Node :P
 
right, but...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I decided to make it anyways.
mostly because I'm waiting for beer to cool
20 lines
 
ok, I'll make mine work too then :P
 
although I don't know if I need http and request
but request is so easy
 
12:25 AM
> Sorry, but the page you are trying to view does not exist.
 
:?
cut it up, i've been drinking :D
and I borrowed some of your code
 
y u no throttle, y u no es6
wait, why are you res.end(JSON.stringify(data)); and not res.json(data) :P?
 
I'm not familiar enough to es6 while drinking.
because I forgot about res.json :P
 
oh, also you're not using express
 
I was
:D
then I thought, no, i shouldn't. not for this
so removed it
 
12:28 AM
See. You knock my Java, but you guys have already spent longer writing it and I'm the only one with a no-effort working URL so far. I rule. Vote for me.
 
I didn't spend longer.
I dabbled whether I should for a good time
and watched some myth busters
 
Oh did you ever watch the one where they polish a turd? Apparently it's true, you can totally polish a turd.
 
yes I've seen most if not all of them
<3 MB
 
@JasonC I didn't spend longer writing it, I wrote it in chat once and I was done :P
Now we're debating it
 
I should give mythbusters a good thorough watch. At the moment I'm wasting all my time on DBZ and Air Crash Investigations (which, btw, are awesome to download and take on a plane with you).
@BenjaminGruenbaum No, we're talking about turds.
 
12:31 AM
no we're not, just because your code is bad doesn't mean we can't discuss implementing something with the same functionality for a bit.
 
Oh man, don't make me come over there.
 
your code is a turd, the problem of how to elegantly do what it does isn't a turd. In fact, seeing bad code is nothing but motivation to see how much better we can do :P
 
Your face is a turd.
 
lol
At least my face doesn't take 300 lines of code to do what 10 lines can :D
 
I've seen Benji, can confirm, turd face.
:D
 
12:33 AM
cry
 
can I add another moderator candidate question? in your opinion, why is Java so verbose?
:P
 
Sorry, I don't have the right AnswerFactory registered to answer that.
 
@rlemon Because people can't use it.
 
looks for @Zirak's hello world
 
Just for that I'm going to add hibernate as a dependency and store the cached vote counts in some dbms that it doesn't actually support, like sqlite.
 
12:39 AM
the code is.. beautiful.
this was born in a contest to write the longest, viable, "hello world" in js
 
That's so awesome.
 
@Zirak writes very entertaining code
Caprica's source code is full of great comments
 
Yeah, that's true
 
.
ohh yea, I'm not in the js room. :/
 
12:47 AM
@rlemon Wait, we got Gist oneboxing back!?
 
very thin line for 11th/10th changing places...
And Martijn's broken the 3000 mark... not exactly a surprise
 
Paresh pulled into the top 10
 
So 10 is the cutoff?
 
@Benjamin indeed it is
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yes; right now, they're separated by one vote.
They're tied again.
 
12:55 AM
Neither of them will win anyway :P
 
what if they stay tied?
deathmatch part 2
 
@yellowantphil Things break.
Ed's back in.
This is so riveting.
 
if there is a tie, both candidates are out and bjb is put in their place
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@JasonC I notice when tied - they keep swapping order :)
 
Realtime voting data.
Now Paresh.
 
12:56 AM
Neither of them will win - didn't you guys read the voting material I posted here :P That's not how STV would work.
 
why doesn't the election page show how negative Shree et al are? I have to click on the -1 to see the truth
 
@JonClements Blame @meagar. github.com/JC3/SOVoteMonitor/blob/master/WebContent/… If your browser's sort() is stable, it won't swap.
 
@yellowantphil because it's rude?
Same reason users never go below 1 rep
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ok then
 
Also probably intends to calm a bit of bandwagoning on negative scoring candidates.
 
1:00 AM
^ yeah
 
Now it's Ed.
 
"ha! now he’s -300!"
 
I wonder at which point users start just voting based on the current vote count.
It's too bad we can't run experiments without consequence; like initially seeding some candidates with large numbers of votes to see how it affects the results.
 
@JasonC The time the election began.
 
@JasonC let’s toss bjb in there with 2000 votes
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1:03 AM
@Jason or even decide not to vote because they decide it won't make a difference now anyway kind of thing...
 
We could have a mock election, where nobody knows until afterwards that it's not real
 
It would also be interesting to just hide the vote counts during the primaries.
2
 
With an A/B test on voting with/without displayed cumulative totals
... Maybe this is that election
 
Ha; yeah; actually, you could probably A/B test that in the real election. Still use the totals but compare the two halves for study.
 
The problem with doing it in a real election is it has the chances to change the outcome and make for angry candidates
 
1:06 AM
@meagar shhhh
 
Nobody wants they election they run in to be the experimental one :p
 
I do.
 
It appears the candidate I was rooting for the most has withdrawn. :(
 
In any case, if there's one thing this election has taught me, it's that jQuery's kinda awesome.
 
@JasonC Careful – bjb's coming for you.
 
1:07 AM
Jeremy is steadily approaching the top 10
 
Yeah Jeremy's been gaining.
 
I don't understand why
he said he would be a bad moderator
 
@yellowantphil And he withdrew twice.
 
3 times
 
(I think)
 
1:08 AM
@JasonC ARE YOU ASKING FOR A VOTE REVERSAL?!?!
 
Even better.
 
@bjb568 Haha.
 
Why does it appear that most people don't vote (up or down) for all the candidates..
 
paralyzed with indecision?
 
I count no-vote as a vote, though.
 
1:09 AM
I upvoted half of the people just because they were "not [least favorite candidate]"
 
I put in the nomination as a joke/test at first, but having it there got me actually reflecting on the idea for a few days, and I changed my mind.
 
Good to know you thought of it for at least a few days :p
 
@JeremyBanks you've seen the light and will be the best moderator SO has ever seen now?
 
I think I dv'd you, @jeremy, don't remember
 
Lol.
 
1:10 AM
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 10 secs ago, by AstroCB
Four-bot conversation; the bots have taken over.
The bots have achieved sentience.
 
Well in any case whoever wins will either a) be a good moderator, or b) at least provide some interesting meta drama with Shog for a few days.
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@yellowantphil The best? Hahahahahahahaha no.
But "good"? I think so.
 
@JeremyBanks you're running an unusual campaign. "Hey, I could probably be good, or at least not awful"
 
Ah, yes, that's my dv reason.
 
Ummm.... what is the tie breaker in case of a (unlikely) tie - for 10th... presumably rep?
 
1:12 AM
see my starred comment -->
 
It could be something bizarre like user-id
 
bjb is the tiebreaker
 
@JonClements On the other hand; now that I notice it's really irritating. That sort is stable for the 0's at the bottom though, on Chrome at least. Maybe I'll spend some time figuring out that sort later and use user id or name as a second key.
 
@bjb568 Let's hope that's right. ;)
...if lower = better, at least.
 
prime number user IDs are better
 
1:15 AM
@JasonC Oh - looks like you''re okay - the voters have fixed it for you :)
 
Initial criteria: Score
Tiebreaker: upvotes
Next tiebreaker: reputation
Next tiebreaker: fewest prime factors in user ID?
 
that probably still favors low user IDs
 
@JeremyBanks Highest voted meta comment?
 
@yellowantphil Yes: it favour older users, but not consistently, and it's a bit random.
Just like reputation!
 
Of course, of the current candidates, Martijn has the highest voted comment on meta, meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252195/…
 
1:19 AM
It does seem more activity is occurring for those with a 40/40 score.... wonder how much that's actually influencing votes...
 
Ed and Paresh are still tied.
 
I believe Jeremy comes in second meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/277200/…
 
Jeremy will pass them both
 
@JonClements: I think it is, the top 5 all have 40/40
 
1:20 AM
I'll just be happy if I pass Undo; I've only gained 5 votes on him in the past few hours.
 
@JasonC it doesn’t matter as long as you stay in the top ten, right?
 
@JonClements It'd be hard to tell the difference between that and rep, although I wonder if the term "candidate score" subconsciously implies a quality rating.
 
@AstroCB sorry... errr.... makes some excuse... - errr... slow internet connection?
 
@yellowantphil Yeah but Undo's my tavern competition.
 
What's the order right now according to candidate score? I'd like to compare that with the current votes.
 
1:22 AM
@JasonC "Candidate score" implies that Stack Overflow has already determined which candidates will be best for the job.
 
Yeah something like that.
There's a lot of distracting factors on the primaries page.
May be a good meta discussion or two after the elections. Displayed votes, "candidate score", nomination comments, etc. It's really nice that they randomize the order though, that's a big one.
It's such a bummer when I see a downvote on myself on the monitor page, lol.
 
@JasonC it's also interesting that the number of views of the questionnaire is way less than votes... (could well be that people aren't expecting to read it yet though)....
I wasn't even sure if I was supposed to answer it yet... but others were... so err....
 
@JonClements Are we supposed to answer it?
 
Most of the people who have answered it are safely in the top 10.
Take that as you will.
 
1:29 AM
Oh crap I wasn't even paying attention to it, I didn't realize it was up.
 
5 hours ago, by AstroCB
We don't have to answer the questionnaire unless we make it past primaries, right?
I'm not so sure now.
 
Umm... can't remember how they did it last time
I thought it was for those that had passed the primaries, to explain better....
 
I'm pretty sure I answered them before passing the primaries, but I'm not certain.
 
('cos there's not much room for the nomination)
 
Still tied.
 
1:31 AM
@AstroCB that's not what , does in JavaScript... if only it worked this way :(
Sadly, no tuples like python when sorting
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Really? I just guessed and it seemed to work to me.
I thought it would have given some error.
 
a, b just evaluates both a and b and returns b.
 
a,b evaluates a discards the result, and then evaluates b and returns the result - like in C
 
Oh – you're right. It's not sorting by candidate score.
Ugh.
 
In the C and C++ programming languages, the comma operator (represented by the token ,) is a binary operator that evaluates its first operand and discards the result, and then evaluates the second operand and returns this value (and type). The use of the comma token as an operator is distinct from its use in function calls and definitions, variable declarations, enum declarations, and similar constructs, where it acts as a separator. == Syntax == The comma operator separates expressions (which have value) in a way analogous to how the semicolon terminates statements, and sequences of expressions...
You'd have to have an ugly if :D Sorry
And good night
!!afk sleep
 
1:33 AM
You don't have to answer it at all. If you do during primaries and give answers people who read it agree with, you might get more votes. If you do during primaries and give answers people who read it don't agree with, you might get less votes (or more down).
But I'm not sure if it is supposed to be answered before primaries end or not
 
@codeMagic also... if you make it past primaries and don't bother answering it... it probably doesn't look good for your commitment either...
 
But if you believe in your moderating skillz, then answering would probably be a good thing
Jon, definitely
 
Did you guys start answering your questions before primaries started?
 
@Qantas94Heavy Fixed.
 
@AstroCB thanks!
 
1:37 AM
@JonClements Last time around, everyone who made it past the nomination stage could answer: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/221594/…
 
It seems below 38/40 that there's not much signal to the pattern, but those really high candidate scores seem to correlate quite closely. I'm not sure though whether that's really because the score works or it's just a coincidence.
 
@Brad thanks - was trying to find that post - okay... makes sense... more space for more info. about stuff than the rather limited nomination thingy...
 
You can thank casperOne and BoltClock for the character limitation.
 
I think it's a good idea, too much more than that and it's information overload for most of these voters.
 
Plus one heck of a large page.... the size of the questionnaire on meta is already daunting :)
 
1:43 AM
Still stand by my desire to have comments appear at all stages of voting, though (preferably if they bring comment voting back). Lot of context from the community in that which you don't get in the statements.
 
@BradLarson yeah - not quite sure what's up with that... if you're determined enough you can go back and get 'em... but I imagine most wouldn't bother
 
I'd also imagine that a lot of people didn't see the comments (like possibly the 158 people who upvoted Shree) because if they went to the nomination page, they saw that they couldn't vote, so they just left.
 
Well it's not the default page now, so it's unlikely they'd bother doing so.
 
2:17 AM
^ data from a few minutes ago, not really that enlightening
 
Look at that beautiful curve...and then Martijn.
 
I was looking for large jumps, but it’s really just Martijn and then everybody else
 
that --^
 
there's a gap between deceze and Undo, and between Quantas and vcsjones, sort of
 
Well slugster is stuck in the middle there
 
2:20 AM
Martijn's closest competitor has only 615.4 m🖖™.
 
what is that unicode character?
 
the Martijn
 
It looks like the vulcan hand sign but it's quite small.
 
it looks more like a blob on my screen
 
huh
 
it's too bad they didn’t name it LIVE LONG AND PROSPER SIGN
 
heheh
 
Too bad I don't even have a font that displays millimartijns
 
what would Martijn think?!
should have used an interrobang‽
 
2:26 AM
Ed's back on top.
 
Jeremy is still inching closer
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 22 hours ago, by AstroCB
6 hours ago, by Alexis King
Mar 21 at 16:25, by Braiam
@Unihedro get a real browser on a real OS
 
the bottom three candidates would be outliers on my plot, if I had shown their negative values
 
On that note, why are their negative values hidden?
 
2:29 AM
it tapers off to zero and then plummets at the last three
somebody earlier said, probably to keep from piling on more negative votes needlessly
and/or to keep from looking impolite
I asked that same question
 
yo
what up
 
Damn, I really missed the boat on that questionnaire. Anyways, answers posted.
 
@JasonC takes a while doesn't it :p
(also - not sure if it matters that much - but I think everyone else is numbering the points)
 
disqualified for lack of numbering!!
 
@JonClements It did take a long time.
 
2:37 AM
Right... coming up 4am - better get some sleep - bbl guys - great meeting and seeing all the cool toys :)
 
...how did I get here?
 
@SomeKittens We lured you here with our charm. Now there's no escape.
 
@SomeKittens serendipitously?
 
I hereby nominate myself for moderator of the moderator election chat.
You should vote for me because I'm a grown man who still refers to himself as "kittens" and therefore clearly cannot be influenced by my peers.
 
or are you really bjb in disguise?
 
2:42 AM
I've kicked bjb out of the JS chat several times
 
Live vote monitoring, for those of you that didn't catch it before: disorient.ddns.net/SOVoteMonitor Please don't share outside of chat rooms.
 
Jeremy is 4 votes short of the #10 spot
I predict that Jeremy will reach #7
 
in JavaScript, Jun 5 '14 at 6:51, by SomeKittens Ux2666
!!mute bjb568 5d
 
It'll be interesting to see how things change over night
 
I was cutting bjb out before it was cool
 
2:48 AM
So, do any of you think Martijn's going to make it out of primaries? It's been a close race.
 
his candidate score is 1000 milliMartijns!
so who is more Martijn than Martijn... that is the question
 
How do we vote?
 
@meagar Yeah it will.
 
@Kendel up and down arrows
 
@yellowantphil I can almost find out with a sede query, except no reviews, which are a major contributor. But it might give a few good candidates that I can then pull the review data for and look.
 
2:51 AM
@AlexisKing No, I don't think so. I think Martijn is going to beat him.
 
@yellowantphil oh okay didn't realize those were the voting things. Thank you!
 
Because we all know the only person capable of beating Martijn is.. Martijn.
 
@Seth Current prediction: Martijn sweeps all three spots, beating out Martijn in a close fourth.
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@Kendel that's for the primaries. it’s something different in a few days, for the final vote
 
@AlexisKing Exactly!
 
2:55 AM
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 24 secs ago, by SmokeDetector
@AstroCB Yay for the 2015 Stack Overflow Moderator Election! Election voting begins in 3 days, 17 hours, 4 minutes and 34 seconds.
 
As a first time voter, I agree with @Kendel re need for clarification on how to actually vote. Wasn't in the first page of meta posts nor the candidate page preamble. It was obvious that up and down arrows might be the votes, but not obvious they were. (Particularly given vote counts are public.)
 
@DuncanBabbage it's in the sidebar on the right side of the election page, which admittedly is not at all conspicuous, in my opinion
 
Yeah -- I "know" it's there, but it's still the last place I look when trying to find specifics.
 
I didn't see it for a while
aaand Jeremy is #10
 
3:05 AM
it's mainly a contest between the top 12 so far
#13 is farther back
 
Jeremy's going to move up. I have a feeling I'll end up getting pushed down to 10 by Jeremy and Raghav.
 
We'll see.
 
@yellowantphil ah so it is. I'm on an iPhone right now, and first thing I do on a webpage is double tap on main content to fill the window, rending such sidebars invisible.
 
@DuncanBabbage they probably should have put it in the main text, near the top
 
OMG I have a positive score again.
 
3:20 AM
Hemang has -118 :-|
 
They have more rep than I do, and a fancier nomination post, yet it didn't go better than mine did - I guess rep isn't the primary factor after all :)
 
"they"?
 
Hemang
Singular they is the use of they, or its inflected or derivative forms, such as them, their, or themselves, to refer to a single person or an antecedent that is grammatically singular. It typically occurs with an antecedent of indeterminate gender, as in sentences such as: "Everyone returned to their seats." "Somebody left their umbrella in the office. Would they please collect it?" "The patient should be told at the outset how much they will be required to pay." "But a journalist should not be forced to reveal their sources." A reason for its use is that English has no dedicated singular personal...
 
oh right
 
I use gender agnostic pronouns.
 
3:23 AM
well you didn't make any weird comments about a bride
 
:)
 
and you didn’t put spaces after question marks
 
What do you mean?
Oh oh oh I get it :p
 
yup
I see that from French writers, but he’s Indian, so I don’t know where he got that
I mean spaces before question marks....
 
I should answer the questionnaire for candidates, even though it's pretty clear that i'm not making it into secondary. It's really hard to do so on a Windows though - I suck at using Windows & I'm on a school computer.
 
3:25 AM
> I don't know where xe* got it.
Hmm. I doubt that many voters look at any of of the questionnaire.
 
@Unihedro The way you use it goes against rules of grammar.
That's not what it's meant for.
 
@AstroCB Yay!
 
202
A: Is there a correct gender-neutral, singular pronoun ("his" versus "her" versus "their")?

nohatSingular they enjoys a long history of usage in English and can be used here: "Each student should save their questions until the end." However, “singular they” also enjoys a long history of criticism. If you are anxious about being criticized (for what is in fact a perfectly grammatical constru...

That's how you use it.
 
Nah. No fun in that :D
 
You use it with collective nouns like "everyone" because it would sound weird to use singular pronouns in conjunction with them.
Using it as a substitute for a singular pronoun with regular nouns is improper (and it can be pretty confusing, as you just illustrated).
 
3:30 AM
:O
 
But then again, this is a Stack Overflow chat room, so what am I saying?
 
darn them grammers
 
I disagree because I think it's the most pragmatic choice
 
But... Rules r meant to be broken
 
and prescriptivism should bow before pragmatism where it can.
 
3:30 AM
Grammar is just standardized perception. So it's rules!
 
I prescribe pragmatism
 
@JeremyBanks If you're really trying not to offend anyone, then I guess. I prefer his/her, s/he, etc.
 
rules that the Man uses to keep us down! rise up!
 
*rules that the Man/Woman uses
2
 
@AstroCB That's fine too. I find it uglier, but it's probably the better choice if you're publishing where your writing may be widely judged.
 
3:31 AM
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 6 secs ago, by Unihedro
If I actually rewrote my nomination post instead of keeping the one that I typed on the fly on an Android at 4am right before the nomination began, I might have been better, but still no way of getting into the secondaries. :p
 
rules that the (Wo)?man uses to keep us down
(Wom|M)an
 
Regex time!
 
Wait, what? The 2014 election page links to the 2015 Q&A on meta
"The candidates answer your questions" links to meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/290096/…
 
@meagar that link is system-generated to link to the latest questionnaire I think
 
3:36 AM
Why is "Wom" on top? Discrimiation!!
 
I was trying to find the Q&A from last year
I think I remember some drama over somebody taking a long time to answer
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A: 2014 SO Moderator Election Q&A - Questionnaire

meagar An asker repeatedly flags their own question and says that they need to delete it or they'll be fired, because they mistakenly posted proprietary code. There are several good answers on that question. What do you do? I'd advise the user that, once posted, it's our policy not to remove conten...

 
@meagar Yeah... there's a single Post somewhere that all of the elections use for that message. I think might be able can see it in the data explorer, or at the right URL...
 
Going to bed
 
Night
 
Looking forward to seeing how things stand when I wake up
 
3:41 AM
night
 
 
1 hour later…
4:44 AM
moring
 
morning
 
Paresh is moving up.
 

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