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18:52
room topic changed to JS Room Meeting: gist.github.com/Zirak/c5a9ea88b4fc6b8b2164 (no tags)
(nothing personal)
In case anyone wants to, there's also a casual hangouts room: plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gzbwozrylaxqrpbpr76bdhcsmya not the main debate room, just a place to rant.
g'mornig
Allright, shall we begin, or wait a few minutes for strayers to join?
I am busy :(
19:02
Can we vote on Zirak changing his avatar to the jQuery logo?
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@BenjaminGruenbaum With a moustache.
Let's vote on Benjamin Gruenbaum finally coming out of the closet
ok, with this grand jury, welcome to May 2015 js room meeting. woo
First topic: How're we feeling over the past month? Anything notable, improvements, deprovements?
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Steak fillet?
Onion slices?
@Zirak homophobic joke, classy.
@Zirak Room seems... deader than usual
19:05
NEEEERDS
less hating, I think. Better handling of people who don't want to understand, I guess
Well, I'll merge it with the next topic (and nearly only) then: I've noticed a few relentless help vampires in the room, which keep returning over and over.
I feel like people are being more helpful too in general, which is nice
Like the guy with the Bender avatar
Or the reverse of microprograms
Kick them
Also downvotes
19:07
I've been trying to poke them off, without too much success. Every time they return it's with renewed forces and equal stupidity.
@BenjaminGruenbaum They come back
@Zirak kick them again, make a shame list of them and pin it.
We're not in 8th grade, my moustache is much classier
can't argue
Do we have clear rules against vamping?
This is going to sound downright cruel, but can't we let the bot auto-kick (effectively ban) for a set period of time for the worst cases (e.g. postpone access for 1 day and each re-enty the bot gives a message about the why)? That might be enough incentive to fix stupidity.
19:10
and a good definition of vamping?
Well, I've also been trying to hit the vampire feeders on the head, so hopefully it'll curve down with time.
@SomeKittens I think it was one of the conclusions on the past meetings
We don't like vamping
As for what's vamping, everyone got their own definition, so it's hard
@RoelvanUden We've had the opposite: Before kick-muting, we had a special gallery mode with the bot allowing entry to everyone except a blacklist
@MadaraUchiha So it's tricky for users to know where the line is
we've been handling it pretty well lately people used to help vamps allot more
19:11
@SomeKittens Yeap, we said no vamps, with vamping described a bit loosely but there's some common understanding of what it is
Every vamp will say they aren't
@SomeKittens Yes, but a user who was told off multiple times, like the ones we're discussing, we know they're vamps
They know they're vamps
If you told someone to stop asking dumb questions 3-4 times, it's time to be kickin'
@RoelvanUden lol, I love it, although mod flags should work too
19:12
@Loktar There was a bit of a surge recently; it died off a bit, hopefully for good, but it's parabolic
@RoelvanUden Well, that's problematic since 3 kicks and mods gen called automatically
We should probably solder "don't feed vampires" on a boot and kick regulars with it
(As well as for every consecutive kick)
We can also decide we don't help users with poor-research questions.
Yeah this is just a constant thong we will always have to deal with however the room has been doing a good job of it imo.
19:13
They just take attention from more interesting stuff and/or interesting user questions.
so just mute them if you don't want them?
@BenjaminGruenbaum Hmm. Re: interesting questions: @Zirak can we add a topic "How can we generate more interesting questions?"
@BenjaminGruenbaum Something along the lines of "if it can be found in a google search, you're kicked?"
they're not going to bother you, just who still wants to help
and it's not as rude as kicking
@Zirak I'm in favor of that
19:14
@SomeKittens Sure
Jeeze instant kicks? Lol
I'm against instant kicks, just ignore the user. Don't give them feedback.
well sometimes people aren't good at Googling.
No need to be rude
At least a warning would be appropriate
19:15
Fwiw, I didn't even know we had a vamping problem since I have all these people ignored anyway.
@BenjaminGruenbaum That was historically proven to not work, the room in general needs to ignore
Yeah exactly we've discussed this topic to death in the past
@BenjaminGruenbaum The ignore feature is pretty broken
It works great for me
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yeah, and then you get lots of
19:16
This can all be solved if someone just writes a SO chat client, puts on github, and everyone agrees to use it so we can coordinate ignoring etc.
@IgnoredUser, use $.each
We need a talking point in the meetings that says read prev meeting notes... maybe a collection of them so we don't keep eating time with the same topics
@IgnoredUser, use a for-loop
@MadaraUchiha yeah, I just read that, figure out someone is talking to an ignored user and don't respond.
@MadaraUchiha seems like ignore should ignore @IgnoredUser chats too
that doesn't sound like a huge break
19:18
@BenjaminGruenbaum And ignored user remains as stupid
@ElliotBonneville discussed to death. Declined by SE
@rlemon Hangouts
@Zirak I don't care about the ignored user.
chill your nips I just got here
19:18
MY NIPS ARE AGITATED!
More like cheeze your nips
So...we kinda reached this:
- Keep up with no tolerance for vamps
- Raise awareness if the vamps come
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Anything to add/remove?
Raise awareness = if someone's helping a vamp, stop the helper and helpee
19:21
Cool! Moving on: SomeKitten's special topic, how do we generate more interesting questions?
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Ask them.
Let's do monthly challenges!
lol
what's "interesting"?
What if rlemon was Zirak and Zirak was rlemon?
19:22
Exactly
@MadaraUchiha's canonical challenge was great! I learned a ton from it
Why am I alone?
Challenges were a flop
What is the meaning of life?
@ElliotBonneville Not more generic jQuery pap
19:22
I will not buy this tobacco, it is scratched.
well just keep me around, I have lots of tough questions
It seems like if someone has an interesting question he comes, asks it, and we do stuff to it.
that question could better be phrased "how can we get more people and less vamps" I think
If you find the chat uninteresting make it interesting. Convos eb and flow
@ElliotBonneville Moreso on main as well
19:24
@Zirak if we're interested we do it, otherwise we dont'? I don't get it
Right... I'm out.
Cya guys later.
See ys
The question is specifically about things like the canonical challenge
@BenjaminGruenbaum Hope you weren't butthurt
@SomeKittens What's the canonical challenge?
Not butthurt, but these discussions are pointless.
19:25
We'll have room owner discussions next
in JavaScript, Apr 13 at 11:55, by Second Rikudo
Canonical idea: Write a canonical question and answer about promisifying XHR for a 500 bounty from me. Ping me for details. (Preference to folks under 10k)
@SomeKittens oh
I enjoyed that a lot more than I thought I would
Those are nice. But I think it falls into the category of bring interesting stuff when you find them.
fair enough
19:26
Unless I'm missing something
ok, that's that
Next topic: Do we need more/less room owners? What's our ideal amount?
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I feel like a limit should be set, but I have no idea what that limit should be
I don't see a need for a hard limit
We talked about it a bit before (the first part): If we seem to be lacking in certain timezones or people are already pseudo doing it, why not promote them?
There should be "as few as possible, but not fewer"
just don't get non-mentally-unstable people as RO?
19:29
I'm sorry but is there an actual problem with what we're doing now?
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I think it's good currently as long as we continue to prune add during the meetings
As for ideal amount, meh. We shouldn't go promoting everyone, but it's cool as long as we recognise when people stop moderating.
+1
Cant star on mobile :(
how about we change this to limit, how many we can appoint per month
what is our avg promotion rate i wonder
Some months we haven't promoted anyone
19:31
how many ROs are there now
No, we don't seen to have a problem so far
there is no problem currently with the system, but why not be proactive.
Yeah its better than before the "great pruning"
I dunno. Having too many room owners isn't a problem, having bad owners is.
19:33
Any other nuggets of wisdom?
Wax on, wax off.
Conclusions:
- Doesn't seem to be a problem at the moment, if it turns into it we'll handle it
- Just keep doing what we're doing
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Help help, I'm being repressed!
Should we continue with nominations? We don't have a lot of people to actually vote right now
19:35
Anything else?
- change zirak's avatar
Ro vote?
We don't seem to have a lot of people right now, let's push them up to the next month?
Sounds good
Heh attendance sucks for these the past few
Oke doke.
Anybody got anything else?
@Loktar The last one was the largest methinks
ok, that seals it, the rickety racket wild hunt of a meeting
19:37
is there really desire for an SO chat client?
Late but: I feel like the JS chat has vastly improved in quality these past few weeks. Barely any drama, no spam, no aggressive anti-vamping. All in all, a good room.
should we have a JS room logo?
Later all good meeting zirak et all
+1 @SterlingArcher
@towc Make one and we'll see
just a thought. You know I'm the opposite of a designer
ok, that could be nice
sorry, got distracted
@Shmiddty Did you ever moderate a room meeting?
Do I have to?
Congrats, you're the next one's!
19:40
ah bollocks
:D
(you can say no, of course)
Will I be goaded and guilt-tripped if I do?
of course
@Shmiddty Definitely.
haha
19:41
for the remainder of your life/lives
Alright, I'll sleep on it.
Every morning, you'll wake up to "Good morning chicken"
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We didn't vote on anything?
Where's that hangouts link, @rlemon?
stars
All right, thanks everyone for being here, conclusions here: gist.github.com/Zirak/…
one more thing: I cancel the nomination for NickDugger
thank you :-D @Zirak
sorry i couldn't take part actively was preparing for a vc meet tomorrow. --- got carried away
@towc Done
19:52
back
did I miss anything?
@AwalGarg not much
RO voting postponed for next month
and everything else remains the same
ok, cool. Thanks

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