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gawd, I almost ice-cubed my pepsi can
Ok, I think we can start any minute now
Just waiting for his majesty Mosho to show up
@BenjaminGruenbaum I say we ping @Mosho repeatedly in the JS room until he shows up
That worked last time
used the quick cooling hack, and went on writing two commit .. a minute more and it would have been frozen
19:03
How about I start and he joins up so we don't waste too much time?
Sure, just a sec
1min .. I need to find my sushi
Hi, I'm Zirak, your fake host since @mosho's tardy.
First topic of the day, let's do something unimportant: subscription to javascript tag on codereview.stackexchange.com
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Yay, boltclock to hte rescue
19:04
Yay I'm a real boy. Thanks @BoltClock
BTW, thanks for addressing the concerns I had about dealing with jquery questions last meeting even though I never made it.
I don't think the js tag in codereview.stackexchange.com is that interesting, anyone plans on actually answering questions from there?
Who plans to actually answer these?
@BenjaminGruenbaum I don't mind them, there are gems there
@rlemon was the one who proposed it; care to elaborate?
And there aren't that many questions there anyway
19:05
I think it's worth a shot
@MadaraUchiha I'd much rather subscribe to the ES6 tag than to cr.se
subscribe to "javascript" and add "jquery" in the ignore list
Try it for a few days, see if it sucks, abort/continue?
I think we should educate SE about observables, those are better.
19:06
rlemon (on hangouts): I thought it'd be interesting
@BenjaminGruenbaum Can't see why not both
As in, make the tag a room project
in JavaScript, 1 min ago, by Mosho
okay, I'm home and fully undressed
@Mosho okay, take over
what about ?
19:07
hear ye hear ye
Lots of shit questions on
let's get this over with :D
Guys, they get like 2-3 question/day in the tag
Fine, let's try cr.se, but I want to stop it if it gets annoying
I don't see why we don't just do it, and if we see the volume being too much, we'd tone it down
You can subscribe to more complex queries too in the future
19:08
Ok, fine, next topic
So besides cr.se, any other feeds?
@FlorianMargaine asked about SMBC
I like SMBC
what is SMBC ?
19:09
Sunday Morning Breakfast Cereal
SMBC never came close to changing my natural frown
SATURDAY
And its only once/day.
@Mosho vote?
I would recommend adding commitstrip.com
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19:10
idk, I don't feel I'm present often enough to have a say in this case
okay...anything else?
what is the conclusion for topic #1
All in favour of keeping SMBC, vote here
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All in favour of removing SMBC, vote here
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@Zirak I saw that
whistles innocuously
19:13
@BenjaminGruenbaum He gets a vote too, shut up.
how about adding some dev-tool blog feed ?
I was thinking about Atom and Brackets in particular
@tereško Let's finish SMBC first :P
are we adding the js tag on cr.se?
okay, it's a tie...tie = keep things as they are, I guess
We are, yes, we're trying it out
19:14
alright
@Zirak :D Yeah ok
Sorry for my delay. What did I miss? (Also, fancy seeing some butterflies and orchids in about 12 hours?)
Alright looks like a tie
So:
* Add cr.se for a trial period
* Add commitstrip.com
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We'll keep it for now
19:15
Topic #2: Assigning people to execute room meeting (or other) conclusions.
@Mosho Hold on
Yes! That's a peeve of mine
...or not yet
2 mins ago, by tereško
how about adding some dev-tool blog feed ?
2 mins ago, by tereško
I was thinking about Atom and Brackets in particular
s/peeve/fetish/
19:15
alright
+1 for a V8 blog
as long as they don't have too many posts
Do you know a good one?
nudges @JanDvorak's corpse
well, as I mentioned: blog.atom.io , but it is not JS specific
I'm for: Room owners may (and should) add interesting feeds, if a feed one person added bothers another RO, they may remove it - only if there is disagreement it gets brought up in the meeting.
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While I love atom, it's not the editor everyone uses.
19:17
In the spirit of "don't be a dick"
@Zirak I don't. Why "corpse"?
@JanDvorak You were acting like Jim
@BenjaminGruenbaum Looks legit
19:18
@BenjaminGruenbaum I like that notion.
Ok, good, can we do next topic it's 10:20 already?
looks like the atom blog is only once evry few days, though
ON TO TOPIC #2
Now that's a pet peeve of mine
I vote for @Mosho to be our permanent room meeting host/conclusion maker.
19:19
Specifically, we said stuff like "let's do X", and nobody did X
@Zirak Like what?
I think assigning room meeting responsibility should be from last meeting holder to next meeting holder. GH issues should be volunteered to.
So in the ghost of meeting future, past and present, let's bully people into doing X
@MadaraUchiha Like room rules. We talked about doing things to them about twice now.
@MadaraUchiha nay :<
Meetings assigned from owner to owner from month to month have been working out so far. For half a year now.
19:20
Or the bot's customised greeting messages
half a ear is a long time indeed
@Zirak people assume that @rlemon takes care of rules stuff and you take care of bot stuff
Except for Paul Irish who assumes you take care of devtools stuff :D
Can we have Cap's greeting be useful in other rooms as well?
@JanDvorak Let's stick to the topic
@BenjaminGruenbaum But it's not exactly that. The rules stuff was something which the room agreed to, and the room (or someone who volunteers to do it) should do it; likewise, the customised messages aren't my idea, I want those who proposed it to work towards it.
19:21
/me has Cap in the ignore list for at least two years
@Zirak To be fair, almost no one knows the code, and it's not the prettiest
@Zirak I proposed. And you want me to work???!! You talk like my mom :P
IIRC, it was the meeting dude's job to fix up the rules with the conclusions
@tereško Why?
meaning I was flaunting that before it was cool
19:22
Those are just two examples, and I'm if we dig (not that far) we can find more
Just send me the rules revisions and I'll do them.
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But help with additional resources would be nice.
@JanDvorak I don't even remember .. got annoyed by the flood
@MadaraUchiha Doesn't have to be code work. That thing specifically was a proposal
@tereško Time to undo?
@Zirak Weren't we talking about a customized message for Caprica under certain cirumstances?
19:24
@Zirak you just want the algorithm?
@rlemon Who's the person who'll "just send" you the rules? It's been about two months now and nothing happened. It's also my fault of course
@Zirak It's all your fault.
Whoever has the decided on ones
@MadaraUchiha (@AwalGarg) Yes, but it's more of "it's useful because X Y Z, under circumstance A post B, under C post D" etc.
if the only updates needed are from meetings, then you have that in the gists
19:25
@Zirak I tried to write something like that a while ago. Will have to dig up where it is now :/
Welcome message should be "Welcome to [room], [description]"
Configurable by ROs?
Next topic :D?
@BenjaminGruenbaum Do we have a conclusion for this one?
19:26
Topic #1.5: Cap's greeting message :D
#133 and #219. Just sayin'
yeah we covered #3 and #4 :P
Afk
cap's greeting message is like topic #11
@rlemon THAT WAS POOR TIMING
19:27
just saying :P
@rlemon Topic #5: Celebrating The Lemon's 300k messages and manhood.
Where is the topic list? the link in this room description doesn't have it.
so that's that
Sorry gf wanted to go out for lunch
room topic changed to JS Room Meeting: gist.github.com/Mosho1/6367a8d14bb72fabe7fa (no tags)
19:28
So I can't be glued to my phone
The issue Zirak raised was to decide who will do what. We should not be discussing the examples of "what" right now. The issue raised is legit though.
On the topic of assigning people to execute roomm meeting conclusions
I think it should be a voluntary thing (but we need to make sure that someone volunteers)
@Zirak thanks
Of course, on decisions that make sense to do so
maybe assigned by room owner who did the meeting?
assignees can refuse of course
19:29
It should probably be done while the discussion happens. Since I've raised room rules issues, I'll do the rules.
What if everyone refuses
they wouldn't
because they're not a-holes
@JanDvorak Then whoever raises the issue is a dick
(Zirak): Those who raise issues will work on them. Star if you agree.
Volunteer + fallback to event organiser?
19:30
@AwalGarg Not necessarily.
If all else fails @Zirak is always backup
@JanDvorak Volunteer + fallback to issue raiser + fallback to dickhood
@AwalGarg only if they are capable, maybe
I might volunteer for dickhood then :-D
19:31
We just need to make sure in the room meetings that even if there's a consensus, there's also someone willing to put down the glove and actually execute.
@Zirak write a bot plugin to rum meetings
@Zirak yeah, I just want you to put your thoughts like that
It's no good if we all agree that "someone should do X" but no one is willing to actually do X.
@rlemon I didn't know rum had meetings. Does scotch know?
No, shhh
19:32
Have someone volunteer during the meeting to perform X, or the consensus is void.
@MadaraUchiha I think Zirak volunteered for this one
Also god damn mobile
@MadaraUchiha then the decision should be deemed unimportant and void
if it's important to someone, they will do it
@MadaraUchiha I think what everyone needs to find is a bit of patience. We're all busy people with lives outside of this chat room.
@MadaraUchiha I can hear it when you're ping'd
19:33
"here is a damn good idea" "yeah damn good really" "I don't have time to work on it" "me neither" "idea abolished"
I think it's less of an issue since we're all consenting adults. I just want to know it's not "someone, somewhere will fix it", but "Bob will fix it", and have Bob be defined so that Bob knows he's fixing it. Bob can take his time.
Okay, now I'm really gone. Have a good meeting everyone.
@Shmiddty False. None of you have lives. In fact, you all stop existing once I close my laptop.
We cool with that?
@Zirak yah
19:34
@MadaraUchiha you stupid I have 2 lives.
Can we move on to worshipping @rlemon's manhood?
@MadaraUchiha Can you prove that? Oh, wait, don't
s/bob/zirak/
@Zirak Yeah, I agree.
@Mosho Let's praise rlemon's manhood
Behind his back
19:35
so volunteer -> issue raiser -> dungeon master?
I vote we all play DnD
@Mosho Yeah
-> dev/null
I'm down with that
@SomeKittens *KSP
19:35
@Mosho I think the main thing here is that we resolve that during the meeting
But how do we handle dice rolls over the internet?
Who does what, that is.
Webcam show them to the DM?
@KendallFrey YUS
@SomeKittens Rolled 1 on Sociability, you lacked the ability to convince people. You die alone, in the gutter.
19:36
@MadaraUchiha that is inferred
Alright then, next topic please.
@Shmiddty I think @rlemon invented a dice rolling machine
@Shmiddty Math.random?
assuming we are done with @rlemon's manhood
!!roll 1d20
19:37
NEXT TOPIC
!!chose 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6
Topic #6: Achievements (100 stars, 100k messages, etc.)
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Yeah, it's 10:40 and we really didn't cover much..
I'm worried a bit that adding achievements will result in chatting to game the system, rather than fun. Thoughts?
I don't like achievements.
19:37
where is @darkyen00 and @SomeGuy?
@Mosho It's a cute idea we talked about a few months back, thought about putting the bot behind it
Me neither, smells pointless
@Zirak What do you have in mind?
It can be a source of motivation for some
I see no problem with it
It could be cool if the achievements are unknown and awesome
specially spammers
19:38
@Shmiddty motivation to do what though?
talk more?
fair point
motivation to do what? spam and post sexual innuendo?
Yea, unknown surprise achievments
Add, then remove when people start abusing it?
19:38
I like achievements don't get me wrong, the only problem is when people change their actions to target them
s/innuendo/inherendo/
I can get a ton of messages pretty easily
Not an achievement for posting messages, but getting starred or talking to yourself or stopping a discussion, etc
MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD
someone just do the "star this to vote achievements", "star this not to"
19:39
Let the storm rage on.
Stats are cooler imo
When the achievements are unknown it could be gamed less, and let's be honest, only regulars will be interested.
^ true.
Achievements for helping non-vamp newbies?
unknown achievements are way cooler
19:39
example unknown achievement? :P
Unknown achievements are only unknown until they are known.
@Zirak You don't fool anyone, everyone can look at the code and easily infer what the "rules" are.
OTOH, what's the point? They're only cool if the people who have them think they're cool.
unknown achievements sounds nice, but only if someone will be on top of it, referring to topic #2 :P
@MadaraUchiha who cares, though?
19:40
@MadaraUchiha That can be solved
SO just needs medals for chat damnit.
Just don't tell them where to look
But it can also be like what the bot's winded weasel replies - just encoded, not really hidden, because honestly, who cares?
It's just to add the mystery
@Loktar SO has chat badges.
So it can be cool, but only if all of us thinks it's cool
19:41
I think it is cool for people with no lives
like me
@AwalGarg "Forever Alone: Talk to yourself for 5 minutes"
so is it like some of the other suggestions weve had , if someone wants to make achievements do it?
The winterbash hats were fun because of the gaming aspect, though
Hi, I heard I was welcome here!
@bjb568 You misheard but welcome anyways
19:42
@Zirak how is that an achievement?
So, the question is, do we all think it's cool?
@AwalGarg it totally is.
@AwalGarg It's really funny
Imagine talking to yourself, and suddenly, ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED
Maybe we need a Star this if achievements are cool
@JanDvorak Thanks for inviting me too!
19:42
@bjb568 Much like my performance on my sailing final, you dropped a knot.
star if they arent :P
@Loktar yep, just about to
I like achievements
I don't mind achievments
Star if chat achievements are cool
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Star if chat achievements are dumb
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19:43
I don't want the chat room to became a place for competitions, just let it be a place where people have fun and talk without thinking: "I should split my thoughts in as many messages I can", "I should star everything that might be considered nice to have as many stars as possible"
But I don't want them to be too spammy
I got an achievement for first star! :P
@Loktar haha
@towc We all ahve the same concern. I suspect it'll end if that takes place
yeah can just deal with problems if/when they arise
19:44
@Zirak and just after that every single newbie present repeats the same == moar spam.
@towc Seems like risk of harm with little benefit.
no reason to squash it before that imo
@towc It's gonna be a feature for regulars, really, and regulars are usually okay
@bjb568 whats the risk, some more messages than normal? meh
spam
19:44
votes are in, achievements are cool
@Zirak well, that's true
moving on
We also won't have achievements for stupid stuff
@bjb568 literal spam is flag fodder
19:45
3 mins ago, by Zirak
@AwalGarg "Forever Alone: Talk to yourself for 5 minutes"
moving on
Who's in charge of implementing/suggesting achievments?
Topic #7: Video/Audio meetings.
@MadaraUchiha Zirak and I
@Mosho meh
19:45
@MadaraUchiha Cap
@SomeKittens Cool
just one thing: no achievements for how many messages/stars given. Maybe just time spent on the room and stars received?
everyone can suggest achievements, I guess
@Mosho I think we have a more technical problem here
Hangout has a limitation of 10 people
Skype sucks with so many people as well
skype?
19:46
Do we have a better alternative?
skype is cool with many people
I'm usually naked, so if you guys are fine with that we can do video
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Implement a custom solution
@JanDvorak Good luck with that :)
I have to test my skype account to see if my name is hidden or not.
19:46
Mumble/Teamspeak + so chat?
Perhaps said solution could tie up several instances of a Skype call?
@Loktar We could do Mumble/TS
@Mosho Room meetings? No. What we did so far with just people hanging out? Whatever they want to use.
I mean, video may be too much, but audio seems nice
@Mosho they work so far
19:47
I don't think audio has the asychronicity necessary for meetings
(also, we've had TS for ages before hangouts)
hangouts work for those interested
again, most of us have real crappy mics and internet so...
I probably wouldn't participate
Isn't there an HTML api for getting audio and video, and then the data can be transmitted with sockets?
19:47
I have a crappy voice
lol
ur an owl
also, a crappy mic
But for room meetings I think it should be SO chat only, because that's our lowest common denominator
Another problem is that I don't think that everyone have a mic
19:47
@BenjaminGruenbaum for meetings?
I thought this was about just the meetings
One can chat from work
@Zirak eh yeah that is a fair point
Voice chat, no so much
@argentum47 I will vamp you to test my skype :P
19:48
No hangouts for meetings
@Zirak agreed
Most laptops have a mic built in
@MadaraUchiha gah, people should get macs
again: just some could use audio, the others can just use the chat
@JanDvorak exactly zero laptops have a decent mic built in
19:48
@bjb568 only if it's raining frequently
maybe host and room owners?
@KendallFrey I never said "decent
@towc Lacks history
@towc then people in chat would be missing it
mic or no, not everyone wants to do voice chat
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19:49
^
some people might have a funny voice too, like @Zirak
@JanDvorak I never said you did :P
@KendallFrey no, they can hear, but would have their mic muted if they have it
why not what we are doing now.. some of us are in a hangout, everyone else is on the chat
+1
@KendallFrey the two on my MBP are ok
19:49
wtf did I +1 myself
@Loktar You're an idiot
+1
yes
It looks like you did
@towc can still be infeasible in some circumstances
Alright, I think we have a relatively high consensus.
19:49
as?
@MadaraUchiha not sure about that
yes
next topic
oh?
While voice chat is a nice thing, we don't want it as a requirement to participate in room meetings
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chat has transcript.
Chat has transcript, history, stars.
Sounds like consensus to me
19:50
meetings stay as is then
next topic
+1
lol
Some of us are currently on hangout too, laughing at @Loktar +1ing himself
19:50
Topic #8: Oneboxing/unoneboxing commands.
If people wanna join, they can join, if not, no biggie.
Cap should auto-unonebox most things. Then the amount of oneboxing isn't that big of a problem
is unoneboxing really needed?
just for gifs I'd say
@JanDvorak hrm? Bot already unoneboxes gifs, which are THE annoying thing. Is anything else needed?
I used to enjoy entering chat and reading back with oneboxing
19:52
I like the idea of a userscript (or @rlemon 's theme) having the ability to toggle onebox individually as well as by default
@Zirak Some jokes get kinda repetitive
no biggie, though
Have every message be moved to JS trash after 2 minutes.
except on Fridays ofc
But - why not have Cap unonebox own messages consistently?
just vote?
19:53
@JanDvorak oh, you mean Acceber White?
Like I said, I think the bot already does a good job at unoneboxing the things it posts
Should cap auto-unonebox everything?
@JanDvorak Bot already unonboxes everything it posts
I think that no more unoneboxing is needed than what we already have
A nicer thing to have would be the ability to unonebox any onebox
19:53
Then status quo seems fine
@towc I agree ^
(Userscript or theme)
I don't understand the topic then, but okay
Next?
MOAR GIFS
Concensus: status quo (own stuff + animated things) ?
Right
@JanDvorak consensus: not enough fucks given
Left
19:55
moving on
@Mosho same thing
Topic #9: Specialized canonicals page.
Explain?
"a la room 11"
@Mosho Already under work
19:56
alrighty then
What is it?
if there are gifs, there must be cat gifs
yeah explain please?
@bjb568 -1
19:56
1 message moved to Trash
@MadaraUchiha will explain
y'all're no fun
@bjb568 we have enough of your mug as a static image
19:57
oh, the thing like the tag's wiki?
Do we want one like that to ourself?
damn .... got distracted
@Zirak Similar only it looks a bit nicer
"Here's some places you can upvote us"
I think it's a nice idea. I also think people would rather dump XY's in chat than read canonicals
19:57
Let us write an application which takes the question of user, and find which canonical will suit best.
was the video/audio chat topic already covered ?
I'd say "no". We should raise awareness of the tag wiki and contribute to that.
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@tereško How's your Pepsi doing?
@SomeKittens it's gone
@Zirak Well, I think that's kind of the job for SE, not for us.
19:58
@tereško yeah, people hang out as they wish, meetings stay in chat.
We won't even dent the pageviews that page gets.
That's something that requires a system-wide change.
@MadaraUchiha It doesn't have SPL?
@MadaraUchiha I think he meant - use that page for canonicals
@MadaraUchiha But practically every hit our page gets will come from us
@BenjaminGruenbaum We definitely could do that.
19:59
So why not direct those hits to the wiki
totally agree with Z
(come from us = either us, or we tell someone to go there)
@Zirak I'm not saying we can't do it like that. It's just that I don't think that our purpose should be "to increase the tag wiki views"
As for an argument to not put it in the Tag Wiki

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