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8:15 AM
if we're in a [tag:cv-pls] mode/mood, here are some:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66743376/python-replacing-column-contents-based-on-conditions
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66774801/how-to-solve-appliaction-error-in-heroku-afetr-deploy
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66785151/how-do-i-filter-a-list-of-1-to-100-both-included-for-prime-numbers-and-numbers
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66922330/extracting-the-most-mentioned-from-a-data
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66931261/how-can-i-timestamp-a-pdf-and-sign-it-using-python
@aneroid and why didn't that work? test:
 
I don't know. But let's not flood chat with CVs; each should come with a specific close reason so we know what we're looking for in advance. Many questions will get closed naturally - should be used sparingly when we feel there is a specific need to mobilise the room
You probably used shift to create a multi-lined message and it broke the markup. Or something something.
 
yes, I did use shift. thanks
those questions are about a week or more old, and reason would be "needs debugging details" (no code attempted, not enough info given). some ppl like to use "need more focus"
 
8:31 AM
I've opened the first one and it doesn't look like you've voted to close it yourself?
 
i wanted to change my close vote reason - and once i retract close, i can't re-vote to close :-/ can't remember the last time i tried that and realised once retracted, can't re-vote
"You voted to close this question Mar 22 at 9:59"
and on top: "You have already voted to close this question, but you may vote again on Apr 21 at 3:00"
 
In that case, I'm utterly confused by the history. It just shows some review getting rejected but it doesn't show a CV from you (does it? I'm not sure how to read that timeline properly)
 
yeah - I don't think that's implemented well. Once I've retracted my close vote, I think it's in the same cool-off period as an actual close-vote to re-cast it
or I didn't retract it and it resets in 6 days. wrt the "invalidated" close status
for the opposite action: this one should have been re-opened but not enough re-open votes were cast and then it got auto-deleted: stackoverflow.com/questions/66838187/…
troubling that even after the edit, it was reviewed twice and voted to be left closed. sheesh
 
8:55 AM
I don't find it all that troubling. When have you Googled "How to print the factorial of a number like this?". You wouldn't even know what "this" is. SO isn't supposed to be a helpdesk, however much they as a company now allow it to be
 
no, what i mean is: OP has put the code for what output he/she/they are currently getting. so clearly just needs to know how to format it properly or use the right call
 
They did, a day later, but the premise of the question probably doesn't merit reopening. It got deleted by the roomba for being inactive. It shouldn't have been reopened IMO
 
not every question is useful to other people. and that benchmark only rewards dumb RTFM questions like "how do I select x, y, and z indices from a list?" and gets 5 responses: stackoverflow.com/questions/67031015/…
 
Well yeah, because there's rep in answering that, yo.
 
:-/
 
9:02 AM
The python feed is basically nonsensical these days :'(
 
like how many Python questions are just "do a list comprehension" ? those questions need that regex maniac to hyper-delete
 
But you can't contrast these two properly. Your first example got closed and stayed closed for the right reasons. The other just got jumped on and the masses were impressed so got to upvoting before anyone who cares about curation got to it
@aneroid Wictor? hahaha
 
@roganjosh if that's the stackoverflow standard, then close votes should be raised to "5 needed". i mean, come here in 12 hours (on a weekday) and you get very high-rep users blanket answering literally every question, especially the baaaad ones
@roganjosh yes, possibly, can't recall his name but that sounds like it
 
So why do you think that close votes need to be raised to tackle that? It means it makes it harder to curate the site before people post dumb answers
It was originally set at "5 required" and then it dropped to "3 required" and I actually started bothering again... for a while. Now I just go on main if I'm bored
 
easy to close, hard to re-open - with rules/standards very VERY vastly different in their implementation
 
9:10 AM
But I reject your premise that the roomba'd question should have been re-opened in the first place. The system worked there. It would work for the rest of the python tag too, if there were enough people actually bothering to use the site moderation tools properly and not just answering to farm rep. There's only a handful of higher-rep people actually trying to curate the site; the rest just answer anyway to get more rep
That list-comp question is making me grumpy again :P
 
I reject your rejection on the very simple premise that the "higher standards" you refer to don't exist. if ppl were deleting stupid questions consistently, the XP farmers wouldn't be losing the earned XP and would eventually learn to stop.
in the meanwhile, someone who can't figure out how to format output correctly but has done 90% of the work is turned away...
that dichotomy invalidates the whole "deserved to remain closed" argument, imho
 
@aneroid yeah, like how people that post dumb yam on social media learn to take criticism
 
SO answers take more effort than social media rants. also, on SO it would be taking away the thing they're trying to gain (xp, rep, whatever)
 
@aneroid Ok, well let's re-open it and allow another list comp answer. The site will be better for it, I'm sure
 
in comparison to the junk being answered by the horde, the answer is actually yes, the site will be better for it (sadly)
 
9:20 AM
You have a different idea of "better" than me. The court system is entirely overrun in most countries. It doesn't mean that existing rulings should be overruled just because there's a plethora of cases that haven't had time to be heard
 
i was going to make a justice system statement as a comparison earlier but didnt want to get political
 
Unfortunately, people still keep breaking the law (in this metaphor) in the meantime, faster than the backlog gets cleared
 
@aneroid no
 
I don't think it's a political point. It's a reference to a system of logic that has been accumulated over hundreds of years
 
@roganjosh some can and should. example: all the (mostly) coloured people serving time for having or smoking small amounts of weed in states which have now legalised it - by your logic - leave them in prison. were they breaking the law? yes. was it being unfairly applied to just one group of ppl and very harshly? also yes, which is why there's only now motivation to overturn such rulings.
@AndrasDeak ok. my points for why are above. agree to disagree, in the context of actual activity on SO and not ideals of things that "should be" but just don't happen
 
9:29 AM
I don't mean to invest any more effort in this baseless debate
 
@aneroid That's going too far on the analogy. The legal system is, mostly, objective. You're now bringing up biases on how that's executed and that's a different matter. I prefer to stick to the objectivity of the premise
And I agree with Andras; I don't think this is going anywhere. Let's draw a line and disagree
 
already did --> |
 
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