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mr5
3:01 PM
I am stuck on the registration process since I downloaded the app (months ago) because it forcefully asks for "Manage Phone Calls" permission right after launching the app - no explanations on why...
So I gave it a try again today and now I have to reupload my passport picture again because the app closes itself after I switched to other app.
It asks for the picture where the passport ID could be located, picture for signature page, and on the next page, it fucking ask for the passport ID!?!?!
stupid ass app. can't even use OCR.
it's so pathetic that I am doubting to invest my money on it.
If I would design the app, I would ask for picture of the passport where I could use the OCR and have it automatically fill by text box so that the user can confirm if it's correct.
and save every step of registration because it's too much hassle.
 
@mr5 string because I'm getting the same one everytime I login
 
mr5
It's very hard to take a good picture of the passport alone because of the glaring property of the paper.
 
they don't want you to try to recreate them
 
mr5
ohh
@juanvan hmm that's strange.
maybe you are receiving a cache response?
 
Has anyone seen anything like this before? Grabbed a new sln from our Git repo and it won't build because of these compatibility errors. The thing is: none of these packages are, or have ever been, referenced in the solution. Another developer doensn't get this and can build fine. I've tried different editions of VS, restarting the project and restarting the machine. Really don't know what else to do?
 
mr5
3:09 PM
.sln? maybe .csproj?
 
Oh I've also tried deleting the repo and fetching it again, both from sourcetree and VS
 
https://gist.github.com/juanvan/3bfb8306b83697c44440a4c0f8863169
Here is my token code
 
@mr5 I checked those - no mention of any of those packages. And like I said, other developers can get fresh copies of this and it builds fine so it looks like it's local to my machine
 
mr5
afaik, .sln pertains to involved .csproj and its configurations only
@BobTway are you using .netstandard format?
 
Sounds like the csproj has something FW in it?
 
mr5
3:12 PM
@juanvan maybe this is the offending line? jwtBearerOptions.SaveToken = true;?
 
mr5
I am not sure about the server implementation side. No xp at all in there.
 
ahh
 
That's the csproj - AFAIK it's .netstandard - it's pointing at net47
 
There anything in the solution explore that points to fw
 
3:14 PM
fw?
 
framework
vs core
 
Nope
This is a tiny solution with one project. It builds fine for other members of the team. I have never seen anything like this before
 
going to test that soon, got to play with the kids for a few
 
mr5
Maybe one of the project dependencies have dependencies not compatible with your target framework?
Where do it find those dependencies?
 
@mr5 That's the only thing I could think of, and I was going to start removing them one by one but then someone else tried it fresh and it built. So it can't be that, right?
 
mr5
3:18 PM
Try to find the Packages folder in the root or the root's parent folder and look at the packages there.
Check also of your local NuGet repo.
 
There isn't one.
 
mr5
Maybe it's pointing other than NuGet.org?
 
No, I checked that too
PM is set to "all"
 
mr5
Couldn't you get more useful error messages other than the previous?
My VS from Windows after opening it again after 3 months is not functioning anymore. That's how easy it is the project could get broken.
@BobTway do you have VS for Mac?
VS for Mac is much much better compared to Windows version.
 
I want to find the end of sentences of a text. But in German language we use abbreviations like "etc." and "usw." which contains a point. How to ignore this points?
 
3:26 PM
@mr5 No I don't have it on mac. Astonished MS's own software runs better on an apple device!
 
var lines = pageString.Split(new[] { "." }, StringSplitOptions.None); is not working
 
mr5
@BobTway it has learned from its past. Also, it's a Xamarin Studio at its core lol.
 
@kame that is difficult
there is no procedural way of doing it
 
mr5
Have you tried clearing the machine-wide NuGet cache directory?
 
you need a certain understanding of the text to be able to differentiate between full stops and accents... or whatever they are called
 
3:28 PM
@Wietlol yes. Also I have to ignore decimals.
 
mr5
@kame are you trying to make your own language interpreter?
 
do you want to use NLP or make NLP?
 
@Wietlol I am parsing a pdf and get the result as a PDF line. But I need the full sentences
@Wietlol use it. :) But how :)
 
for document scanning, you might need a stronger tool than NLP though
but to get started with NLP, TextRazor is quite interesting
 
@Wietlol I think I don't understand NLP yet :/
 
3:30 PM
for analyzing documents, perhaps AWS or Azure might have better tools
for AWS for example, aws.amazon.com/textract would be the option
 
what is elastic search?
 
mr5
document-based search?
 
@Wietlol Thank you again. :)
 
meaning?
 
Removed all the packages and re-added them manually and it built 0_o
 
3:33 PM
ElasticSearch is basically a toolbox to build your own search engine
> Elasticsearch is a distributed, open source search and analytics engine for all types of data, including textual, numerical, geospatial, structured, and unstructured.
 
have you tried it before?
 
@Wietlol but all the options seems to cost money.
 
mr5
> instruments that record analyze summarize organize debate and explain information which are illustrative non-illustrative hardbound paperback jacketed non-jacketed with forward introduction, table of contents, index that are intended for the enlightenment, understanding enrichment enhancement and education of the human brain through sensory root of vision... Sometimes touch.
 
can be used with a database?
structured = relational database?
 
mr5
@kame for the meantime, you can make a dynamic array and define set of "full stops"
 
3:38 PM
@mr5 Maybe it is better to say stop at each point, but not if the lookbehind is "usw" or "etc" or a decimal like "1.23"
so I need Regex
 
mr5
yeah. that set of full stops can be a RegExes pattern.
 
3:56 PM
Stranger things have happened
 
4:23 PM
@kame most services like that expose an easy to use service
for example, TextRazor is very easy to use, just use the web service via it's api and done, izi pizi
you can work with it in any language that can do http requests
the downside is that you rely on their hosting
which costs them money
paying for that service is 1 thing
if 500 texts per day is too few for your case, then you fall out of your free tier
the other solution is to host your own application doing that work
it doesnt need to be exposed via http or anything though
but in that case, you are bound to whatever limits the libraries have
I played a bit with the Stanford NLP library
that is a Java library, so easy for me to use
you could make a small application using this and host it in something like AWS Lambda or Azure Functions or Cloud Functions or whatever and use that instead
I am not aware of any C# libraries though
 
mr5
oh no
Xi Jin Ping is mentioned there.
I am not using that anymore.
Isn't NLP associated with machine learning also?
 
most NLP solutions do indeed use some form of machine learning
but it is not required to be that way
I believe a non-ML NLP solution has a lot more potential, actually
 
mr5
how could a non-ML NLP be achieved?
fixed data set based data?
 
grammar rules
for example, a simple language
every sentence must be made out of 3 groups,
1, the operator
2, the operation
3, some weird argument
for example
I walk home
you send mail
now, it is very easy to parse these sentences
 
mr5
I think you're forgetting the mapping phase.
 
4:36 PM
when you add more words to give more context to each part, it would require grammar rules and word understanding
for example
the neighbours have a party
 
mr5
how would you create a structure for a language that fits all when all of them are unknown
 
"the" and "a" are words that are part of grammar rules that precede nouns
so, the NLP parser needs a dictionary and a grammar ruleset
both of these do not have to be static data, it could be a database defining both and it just looks up stuff as it goes
 
mr5
yeah. and those things needed to be crafted by a system.
 
not necessarily by a system
it could be crafted by humans
 
mr5
and that system would be either ML or manual labor from human.
 
4:39 PM
keep in mind, we have had english dictionaries and english grammar books for centuries
and most of the content has not changed
anyway, once that is done, you can add more sentences, like questions or orders
 
mr5
and the system to "map" the standardized rules to the NLP system is still missing.
 
at that point, you are well on your way of having an NLP parser
the advantage of ML is that you can just let it try to figure out the rules and words
and you just have to say if it was correct
the advantage is that you dont have to do the difficult work
the disadvantage is that you cannot guarantee it's behavior
what ML would be really good at, is learning how people use the language
for example, people here rarely use upper case characters at the start of a sentence or a dot at the end
and we often leave out words, or misspell them
ML could keep track of the misspellings, optional words, violations of grammar rules, etc and update the grammar rules and allowed spellings to be able to keep up with how natural language changes over time
I believe ML is a very powerful tool, but rarely as the backbone of a solution
some of those libraries or services for example dont detect entities if casing is incorrect
which is imho the most stupid thing I have ever seen
 
mr5
It's really useful. I once tried it with one of our project. Parsing input from the text is almost guaranteed to be better overtime but it's failing when we put STT.
Since we heavy rely on STT, we didn't get the project. Apple's STT is fucking shite.
 
STT is something that would benefit a lot more from ML
 
mr5
The Google version is working most of the time but still has flaws when the speaker is heavily accented.
 
4:49 PM
because "misspelling" is a few orders of magnitude bigger
keep in mind that there are thousands of ways to pronounce words
especially "Wietlol"
each attempt at pronouncing that, should be a guess of pronouncing "Wietlol"
 
mr5
The concept of the project was: ordering foods via voice using your phone. I wish I could explain the tech better with our clients, but I'm waay to shite also.
 
and based on the context of the text, it might make sense, or not...
so, STT would benefit a lot from an integrated NLP as well
 
mr5
Google's Dialogflow have an overloaded API also that accepts audio file instead of texts. But we discovered it too late.
 
@mr5 maybe you are just shite at speaking english :D
 
mr5
yes.
I am not practicing English verbally, only written.
and add to that, I'm bad at communication in general.
 
4:55 PM
arent we all? :D
humans in general are trash at communicating
 
mr5
eh no.
 
my interpretation of how we communicate, displays so many failure points... it is like JavaScript
it can break anywhere
 
mr5
As I observed it, humans tends to get better at communication when they are frustrated over something they know a lot about and someone fucked it up.
moral of the story: be knowledgeable and always be frustrated.
 
it appears we have a different definition of "communicating"
 
mr5
but our "ML" doesn't think it's good for survivability.
 
4:58 PM
for you, I assume it means "sending signals to other beings", while for me, it means "exchanging information with other beings"
 
mr5
I believe we do. Mine was particularly referring to a situation only.
 
when people are frustrated bla bla bla, they are very good at sending signals, but they often forget to exchange the information
 
mr5
right. that's true communication.
 
on the receiving end, often, the only information they receive is that the other person is frustrated, not really knowing why, since when, by who (possibly them though), or what for
anyway... FOOD!
 
mr5
anyway...COFFEE!(again)
 
5:09 PM
I do not understand the attraction of coffee. I can't stand the stuff. There's so many other ways to get caffeine that actually taste good.
3
 
mr5
You underestimate my power of resourcefulness.
 
5:40 PM
If I have website that uses a huge block of data with calculations that need to be run on (the block is specific to a company, which can have multiple users/logins, with multiple companies using the site), what are my options for holding it in memory instead of loading it from the database and re-running the calculations every page-view?
 
@mr5 that didn't change it
changed the length of the ttyl and it gave me the same token again
 
it just occurred to me I haven't danced in ages omf
 
mr5
@juanvan does it also includes token expiration?
 
Ya it's in the claim, I set it for 1 min, just to see if that would change it
is my generate token - I sent the config last time.
Might setup this one, see if it changes it
https://jasonwatmore.com/post/2019/10/11/aspnet-core-3-jwt-authentication-tutorial-with-example-api
 
mr5
why does it needs to be in UnixTimeSeconds?
 
5:54 PM
doesn't just the example had
So this creates a the new key
 
mr5
it seems to be that the reason falls in your use of deterministic hashing algorithm HS256: see here: github.com/auth0/node-jsonwebtoken/issues/…
 
Ahh so have to update that to get a random token
Need to use JwtSecurityTokenHandler and not JwtSecurityToken
 
6:18 PM
@Hypersapien tenant separated applications
a visit on your website for tenant X (or company X) would always go to application X, and a visit on your website for tenant Y would always go to application Y
this way, application X only has to know about tenant X's data
you could even go a step further (very recommended) and make application X unable to access the data from other applications
 
mr5
memoization from the server side could work too.
 
Guess if I link the accounts by IP like I plan, the fact they're the same for each login doesn't really make a hill of beans
 
oh hey wietbot is here
 
Fuck this. I moved to a new apartment last week and I can't plug my work laptop directly into the new router (because it's in another room). I'm getting less than 1Mbps on this thing.
My own computer, which is right next to it, is getting around 220Mbps.
 
I get what I have to do now, that helped a lot @mr5
 
mr5
6:32 PM
np
glad to help
use hotspot from ur comp, hyp
 
@Freerey I suppose he is
@Wietbot are you though?
 
I have no clue what you meant right there. You can use the listCommands command to see all my commands.
 
nope, he isn't
 
@mr5 It's a tower. I'm not sure it has hotspot capabilities. I can check it out, though.
 
220mbps?? that's possible?!
download and install a game from 2007 in 15 seconds
 
mr5
6:43 PM
does it have USB sockets?
or built-in WiFi?
 
Built in wifi
 
mr5
then I'm sure it can turn into hotspot
 
Yeah, I just set it up
 
mr5
you can also use the shared internet via USB though
 
And it's still incredibly slow
 
mr5
6:45 PM
@Freerey you're from US, you shouldn't be shocked with that speed.
 
speeds are horrible here
they're much better in places like South Korea
 
7:05 PM
@mr5 I don't think I have a cable with two regular USB connectors. I found a page with instruction on using an ethernet cable, but I couldn't get it to work
 
7:18 PM
@Wietlol
You mentioned tenant separated applications. How would that get set up?
 
depends on how you currently host applications
your service provider might have tools specifically for dealing with multi-tenant applications
 
Our production server is on Azure
 
and the rest is not?
:p
but yea, I suppose Azure has multi-tenant tools
 
I think the testing server is just one machine. Then there's my dev machine.
 
7:49 PM
oh boy I just noticed a political convo about trump 8hrs ago that I wish I was in on
@bradbury9 the thing is that Trump doesn't control the media; the corporations do....but Americans hate the media and will listen to anyone who says they hate it
and that's why I think trump will win again
 
8:02 PM
I really hope you're not giving American voters enough credit.
@Wietlol I'm looking up multitenancy and I'm trying to figure out how it would work.
 
 
8:19 PM
@Hypersapien Americans are getting smart to the nonsense
 
 
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