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V.7
1:05 AM
 
 
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mr5
2:11 AM
oh boi
 
2:37 AM
oh no, Italy is winning. We're going to have to do better
 
mr5
lazy ass developers
 
That's pretty funny
wasn't linux started by one guy?
 
mr5
yeah
it's a me Mario
 
mr5
unfortunately, it happens all the time here.
most local governments are uneducated and no manners
no regards for human rights
trippin up their powers especially during curfews
 
2:50 AM
I'm sorry to hear
how are you doing?
 
mr5
I happen to experience something similar to that on curfew hours.
fine. this lockdown causes very little change in my lifestyle.
 
mr5
3:51 AM
this OData does not seem to be sucky at all
 
4:26 AM
We're under "lockdown" too but lockdown in the US does really mean that much
 
4:41 AM
Ben Popper on March 27, 2020
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6:55 AM
Goood moorniiiiiiiing CeeeeShaaaaaaarp! How's everyone's lockdown going so far? Already scared to go to the supermarket?
 
7:28 AM
supermarket feel more scarier than their customers
mandatory disinfection and thermal scan
 
Wow, that's extremer than here
Honestly though I'd like supermarkets here to make desinfection mandatory.
Many supermarkets here put desinfection stations near the entrange, but not all.
And that desinfectant is usually empty by noon.
 
my requestdto is automatically getting time in UTC
which is being sent in a different time zone from client
what can I do?
 
Well good day to you too brave trainer!
 
I need the same date as being sent to me
 
If the client is in a different timezone, you'll have lots of fun now!
For example: Specify "same date"
 
7:41 AM
didn't get you
why model binding makes the datetime in UTC?
why not the actual date and time send by the client
 
Let's say you're in england: UTC. It's noon.
The client is in indonesia: UTC+7. For them it's 1900.
The client now sends something.

Which time do you expect? 1200 or 1900?
 
1900
 
Then the client needs to send LocalTime
(I think)
 
he is sending his localtime
didn't get you
 
DateTime has several methods for converting between timezones, I guess you gotta find the right one?
I never had to work with time zones other than "make sure it's all utc" with banks. That one was not to be fucked up...
Basically we stored everythign in UTC, and just displayed it in local time.
You could try that too. Since you don't know about the time zone of your client: Internaly only use UTC. And when time is displayed or entered, you convert from local to UTC or back.
 
7:46 AM
hmm
 
Basically
Time zones are hard
Store everything in UTC
And then adjust for the client side view when applicab;e
 
8:03 AM
okay
wait
is there a difference
public MyThing GetThing([Frombody]DateTime startTime)
{
 // filter and return some results
}
if I do
public MyThing GetThing(DateTime startTime)
{
// filter and return some results
}
??
 
parameter binding
!~google microsoft asp.net parameter binding
[Parameter Binding in ASP.NET Web API - ASP.NET 4.x | Microsoft ...]
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/web-api/overview/formats-and-model-binding/parameter-binding-in-aspnet-web-api
Jul 11, 2013 ... Describes how Web API binds parameters and how to customize the binding
process in ASP.NET 4.x.
[ASP.NET Blog - DevBlogs - Microsoft]
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/aspnet/asp-net-core-and-blazor-updates-in-net-core-3-0-preview-8/
Aug 13, 2019 ... ASP.NET Core and Blazor updates in .NET Core 3.0 Preview 8 ... use for data
binding using the new @bind:culture parameter, where the value ...
 
@Shad The FromBody is implicit anyway AFAIK, but if you want to use Swashbuckle you should declare it explicitely everywhere.
 
thank you thank you ...:))
 
 
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mr5
9:36 AM
Does "let it slide" means ignore?
 
Yes
Unless you're talking about literally letting something slide
 
mr5
it's a slang right?
 
mr5
talking about slides
time to roller skates
o/
 
9:53 AM
It's an idiom
Similar to "sweep under the rug"
Also I'm not sure idiom is the correct word here
Someone english help me plz
 
10:06 AM
 
10:20 AM
>npm i
> found 39682 vulnerabilities
Whoops
 
10:45 AM
over 9000?
 
npm update
 
good morning
 
mr5
ah
classic Valve
3 downloads in a row for its client
 
lucky we are programmer
 
hmm... I learned something new today
today I learned that I have feelings
but... not the nice kind of them
 
11:01 AM
Seriously we have like the safest jobs ever
 
do other people still have jobs?
 
whores do not have for example
 
I suppose doctors are also very certain of their job position
but... it might not be a safe job
 
you are are cool
 
11:19 AM
what happened, that you were upset?
 
me?
 
whores are f.cked
get it f.cked ?
giggles
 
@Wietlol yes
 
meet Robert Jensen
this is a dutch media dude who is quite expressive about his opinions about politics and (other) media
 
Hi ,
Anyone please help.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60837328/how-to-dynamically-merge-other-cells-based-on-one-cell-tool-id-value-c-sharp
 
11:29 AM
his main argument is that politics and (other) media would be lying all the time about everything and that people in the netherlands have to "wake up" from this illusion
lately, his episodes on the "Jensen Show" are about corona... because... what else, right?
 
I have already raised this.But didnt get a solution yet.Could anyone please help ?
 
except that his content is literally:
"we have nothing to fear"
"this is only a plan from the government to take away your freedom by doing this lockdown"
"most of us already had corona because it is something that has been around in europe since the 60s"
"look at how bad the european union is, we need to go for Nexit" (Nexit is like Brexit, but then for the netherlands... I think Jensen also started that movement)
and he is actively promoting to disobey the government's measures to avoid spreading the virus
I just watched 2 episodes and I am gutted
I literally had to take a walk after watching it
like... fcking die to corona... pls
I know a lot of idiots, but none of them really deserve to die, but there is a certain level of idiocity that just passes the limit
 
@Aadi Have you tried the solution from the link I sent you?
 
11:49 AM
@Wietlol it's like the anti-vaccine movement
 
anti vaccine movement?
 
how do I become better?
I think I am very stupid and clumsy at times
 
@Squirrelkiller,

Yes.But it doesn't helped.
 
@Shad congratulations, you have now become better
 
so I am going to have to listen to insults of my seniors?
this is the only way to grow?
 
11:55 AM
Step 1: Realize you are stupid and clumsy at times.
Shad: Check.
 
*insults I mean get embarrassed
I am having around 2 years of experience now but it doesn't seem like that :(
 
it doesnt have to be insults imho
 
not insults
 
insults do not help by themselves
people can interpret insults differently and make the best of it, but insults as intention are not helpful
 
I mean embarassements by my mistakes
 
11:56 AM
and embarrassments are not insults?
only if you are the one that puts them on display
 
I mean during code review
 
if someone else is like "ooh look at Shad's epic code, hurr hurr hurr"
 
or crossing deadline
no they are not like that
I mean't the other way :)
 
you learn from mistakes
if you are smart, you find out how to learn from other people's mistakes
 
hmm
 
12:00 PM
you dont make amazing solutions because you are amazing, you make them because you understand what the problem is
4
 
what about the responsibility that is expected with more experience that I get?
 
and that problem was most probably a mistake
 
hmm
 
experience is not related to responsibility
however, if you have to choose someone to be responsible, you ofcourse pick the one that is most reliable and would get you, most probably, the best results... which is something you can learn by experience
if you want to have a nice goal, go for reliability
you can rely on me being capable of bashing C#
if you want C# being bashed, you call me
change "bashing C#" to whatever you want to be good at
become reliable at being capable of doing it
 
A master isn't someone who knows everything, but someone who's made all the mistakes.
 
12:16 PM
I do use embarassment as driving force for a fellow programmer, who just doesn't "join" the team. Constantly re-implementing. Constantly ignoring hints. Constantly ignoring common error handling
He have a T-shirt with a text "It's a XY thing. You wouldn't understand." where XY is his name.
I have said "It's a XY thing" expressing, that a mistake he made could be avoided, if he listen, more times than I went into the office.
 
12:30 PM
thanks wietlol and squirrelkiller :')
ooh
 
Hello everyone, this is my first chat session. I hope everyone is fine and healthy :)
 
12:50 PM
@ntohl and how is the learning curve?
I assume we, at my job, could have a similar expression "It's a Wietlol thing." where it would mean that people are thinking of too many edge cases
like... "what if the server is down, but we still get logs that stuff is being processed..."
way out of the reasonable edge cases
 
Anyone else worried about their job?
 
im perfectly safe at mine...
 
That's good mate, which industry are you in?
 
our business is completely unaffected by the virus
we work entirely via the internet/laptops and we actually went into 100% remote working about 1.5 weeks before the government told people to try to stay home as much as possible
maybe precaution by our managers or just perhaps to test the calamity plans in case there would be a lockdown
 
Cool, but what industry are you in?
 
1:00 PM
our main business is comparing insurances
also managing them
as well as electricity providers...
and we are trying to go even broader than that
that is... pretty much as much as I can tell
mostly because I dont understand the details of the first two and I am not allowed to tell the details of the broader stuff :D
 
Cool man, good to hear you folks are doing well :)
 
@Wietlol how old are you I forgot?
 
I am 42
but I have been 42 for about 3 decades now
 
....
24!
 
so... I am not sure how reliable that number is
 
1:06 PM
lol
 
Nov 4 '19 at 16:20, by Héctor Álvarez
BTW @Wietlol may I ask how old are you?
Nov 4 '19 at 16:21, by Wietlol
@HéctorÁlvarez im 12
hmm... last year wasnt a good year for me
I think avner might be the only one here older than me
but that is not fair play, he must be over 300
 
haha
I feel I am still 10
though I am in my early mid twenties
 
Is there a general chatroom for tech/dev trends here?
 
trends?
 
@Wietlol It's not bad. But we made from 0, so he could just check how others do stuff
 
1:11 PM
yeah idk like general discussion
 
I would consider any chatroom viable for general tech/dev conversations
 
so they wont ban me i hope
 
the audience is what I focus my attention to in those cases
@ntohl we can all learn how others do stuff, but if we dont understand why they do stuff like that, we would rarely accept that stuff as actually good
I know that this might not really explain the behavior of consistently not doing that thing which colleagues have continuously been pushing as the business'/team's standards... but still
one of our guys, who is a really experienced and pretty smart (sometimes even clever) developer, still has trouble avoiding nulls where favourable because he just doesnt understand why we do it...
which is mostly our fault of not being able to explain it properly...
 
@LorenzoVonMatterhorn I have a joke for you if you want to be banned
 
it's just... Handling a combobox. Values coming from db, where there is a validity field. Filling a combobox with values should only contain the valid rows + 1 extra row, which was the already choosen one, so a row, which is since invalid is still an option.
 
1:18 PM
@Shad You sure look like 10.
 
haha
 
Ash doesnt age tho
he will always remain 10
 
XY asked if I can check his code. The case was about 2 comboboxes were dependent on each other
 
you guys give such positive vibes :')
 
and we will grow older and older and older
 
1:19 PM
Will he though?
 
and at some point, we have to let Ash go
 
:/
our childhood
 
But i don't wanna
 
\O/
 
1:21 PM
I told him how to handle it, and copy a solution from somewhere, but I had to do something other for 2 minutes, so I couldn't send him the code. He already started reimplementing the whole stuff at the end of the 2 minutes, and I had to show him 2 coding errors.
which could be avoided, if he just copy pastes
which he loves btw
 
I also love rewriting code
but only if the difference is significant
and only if I understand the old code and understand why the replacement should take place
if it is to fix 2 comboboxes... I'd avoid doing such a dramatic change
mostly, it is to avoid technical debt
 
He just shrug it off by "ofc some error handling is missing"
 
ah
 
but it was the team standards, that he doesn't feel to apply to
 
we had an issue open which was basically "ok, there is still some sql injection in this website we use internally and we REALLY have to remove it" and management was like "no, we have more important things, such as displaying the total number hours someone has been working on our website"
 
1:28 PM
Well if he feels himself not part of the team, maybe HR should tell him he is not part of the team?
 
that issue was open for like... 4 years
I guess that counts as "some error handling is missing"
 
lol that shit only gets done if something happens
 
oh, a lot happens
 
something *costly happens
 
because of that error, using values with single quotes couldnt work
and... single quotes exist in some locations
for example "'s Hertogenbosch"
eventually, people understood that quotes were an issue and started using other names when possible
that place is also known as "Den Bosch"
so they could avoid the issue
but every time they did one with the quote, it blocked our process queue and we had to manually fix the quote
 
mr5
1:33 PM
Is anyone getting bored while working at home?
I'm very unproductive this week
 
eventually I said "ok, FU, I am going to rewrite this because every time they use quotes (which they should perfectly be able to), I have to spend an hour fixing stuff by pausing the queue, taking out that one item, fixing the problem, putting it back in and unpausing the queue"
 
V.7
@Shad Don't use localtime. Use UTC ... only. Everywhere. ( ) <- big dot.
 
okiay
 
@Squirrelkiller I think I'm not part of the team anymore. I helped with some Debug.Asserts some places, so the overall quality of the software is better. Others just comment out some of the asserts, because it throws too much (for example Debug.Assert for invalid data reaching a point, where it should be already validated). When later they ask my help how that part works, I just stand up, and go back to my actual task.
also I think I stated my point by harassing with "It's an XY thing" enough. The point is noted.
 
you are not part of the team?
how many teams do you have?
 
1:49 PM
good ol boris
now hes a coronarino too
 
"thanks to the wizardry of modern technology"
"to communicate"
 
@Wietlol I'm in other project now
 
if communication is already wizardry to this man... how does he live in this period of time?
 
tho these separation are not very solid. I still work back in a prev project from 1 year ago
 
V.7
@Squirrelkiller IMHO better used as when avoiding to discuss or dealing with(i.e. something negative or troubling/which causes annoy).
 
2:26 PM
can anyone help my with a groupby question?
 
V.7
Me = I;
Who = Me;
Action = Love;
Expression = Action;
What = "C#";
someStrangeVriableNameAddedBySome_unknown_pRoGrammerWhyItIsSoLONG = What;
Object = someStrangeVriableNameAddedBySome_unknown_pRoGrammerWhyItIsSoLONG;

Console.WriteLine(Who, Expression, Object);
 
0.o?
looks like perfectly fine code to me :D
 
2:52 PM
!~shiba
 
lol
 
3:17 PM
is HTTPS a property of the webserver (not the website)? If thats true, what is being configured in the project of ASP.NET when you enable HTTPS when creating a project?
 
3:28 PM
Ben Popper on March 27, 2020
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V.7
s(._. )z
 
mr5
ehh
instagrammable pics of UIs? why not
 
4:36 PM
Has anyone ever used SqlBulkCopy? I'm getting an error where it's trying to convert a value to an int and it can't, and I can't see if there's any way to tell where in the source data the problem is, what row and column.
 
5:09 PM
@Hypersapien I have converted the bulk copy to row by row, to debug that
 
5:21 PM
Any one familiar with MVVM in Xamarin.Forms (Prism)..
I want to evaluate property from two other properties, I think I saw something does this in Prism but I can'r remember..

like when Property1 changes, then evaluate ShowButton property based on Property1 and Property2 values, the same for Property2
 
5:37 PM
MultiValueBinding?
MultiValueConverter?
 
5:48 PM
These are Xamarin un-exististing features
 
 
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7:33 PM
posted on March 27, 2020 by ericlippert

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7:45 PM
Can someone walk me though setting up permissions on a web folder? On the site in IIS, Basic Settings -> Test Settings gives me an authentication error. Cannot verify access to path.
I hardly ever have to deal with IIS
 
8:25 PM
nm. I got it
 
 
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9:29 PM
Hey all
I'm kinda confused about Tasks and Stack Traces. I set up a method to be called a few times in different tasks and the method spits out a stack trace to the console. Specifically, I iterate over the Frames in an instance of StackTrace. In the method that starts all of the tasks, I call a Task.WhenAll on the list of tasks. Looking at the stack traces, they all start with PerformWaitCallback. Is there any way to get the stack before that point?
 
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