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12:07 PM
\o
o/
 
I'm back from the dead...uh I mean "dentist"
 
Much better
 
V.7
p/
 
and my 3hour surgery
 
12:08 PM
@Hans1984 how'd it go?
 
@Hans1984 deadntist, the dental practitioner for the undead.
 
V.7
Ha, recently read a reddit thread of gynecologist(woman) who allowed asking him any questions. Recommended.
 
@CaptainObvious Seems like there should be some kind of beverage in there.
 
@Neil it went well but it was very exhausting
 
I can imagine
 
12:09 PM
You'd think vampires would be the most lucrative patients, but you'd be surprised how much gnawing on bones can wear a ghoul's molars down.
 
Well never fear
 
are you back at work now?
 
no,im at home
 
after a 3 hour surgery, I'd go home too :P
 
@CaptainObvious is that what you've been doing for the past however long?
 
12:11 PM
 
@Neil ;)
 
Nah I just left it in the kitchen with this amazing substance while doing work for a little bit brewless
 
Ah, way better
 
huh amazing
I'm writing out all the steps for the deployment i just did T_T
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan This sounds like a good idea for a manga.
 
12:14 PM
The worst thing i ever have to do ever
writing documentation :(
 
Just bang a teaspoon of that and add hot water then leave it for like an hour and then it's basically good. Just needes a lil rinse after
 
I don't mind writing documentation
 
Writing documentation is boting
 
It quickly passes the time
 
12:15 PM
Waiting for adb to flash updates to android devices is even more boring though
 
Get on my level @CaptainObvious
 
generate documentation
 
Jon Snow for scale
 
Ew laptop
 
!~shiba
 
12:17 PM
 
lol
 
@CaptainObvious that image doesn't show the two 27" monitors on my desk too
 
I have a "man mug" at home which is fucking huge
It makes the sports direct ones look small
 
I think this is around the same size as the sports direct mugs
maybe slightly bigger
Its essentially a tankard
 
Cant use a normal teaspoon because it just drowns
RIP Teaspoon, lost at tea
3
 
12:18 PM
lmao same
is not the gud
 
I had a mug once which when thermally heated with coffee would make the word "don't" display above "talk to me"
 
>The mug itself is man-sized and oversized, reaching a height of 13.5cm and a width of 10.5cm
 
so if I had a mug full of coffee it would read "don't talk to me" and when it was finished, it would show "talk to me"
 
V.7
@CaptainSquirrel So dusty there :B
 
12:19 PM
@CaptainObvious 13.5cm seems very small for a man. Most men I know are between 155-200cm.
 
Oof I'm just barely in that range
Hey I thought chat oneboxed amazon links
 
Maybe not amazon.co.uk.
 
Or, you know, various bits of chat keep breaking and no-one will fix them.
 
12:20 PM
@Neil amazing
 
Yeah no chat is just dum
 
can confirm
 
wtf happened to the starred comments..?
 
chat was deployed and no updates for yers
 
@Freerey the roach ate them
 
2hours sleep
 
@V.7 That alive bool will be false in a few weeks.
 
yea no thanks
 
lmao 2 hours fors leep
sounds about right
 
me.sleep(20h)
 
12:24 PM
I once did an entire weekend on a 30 minute nap
 
V.7
2 hours for a sleep ... it's a f*ing dream here.
 
i slept for 2 days straight after
would not recommend
 
fuck coding
 
I was woken up by my roommates knocking on my door and asking if i was ok lmao
 
i rather sleep
 
12:25 PM
same
 
once you get older you ll realize where your priorities should be
 
why not both
 
V.7
@CaptainSquirrel Are they alive so far? Here they might would be dead already(neutralized by woken)
@CaptainObvious #f00d
 
@V.7 Yeah, it was nice to be checked on tbh
Not that I would have admitted it at the time, but I was going through a rough patch
In that i didn't really leave my room that much
apart from occasionally going to class & going out to get food
 
V.7
12:29 PM
Color of #f00d
 
if my food looked like that, I wouldn't be a very healthy boi
 
you don't know that
it could be a healthy red
 
white meat better
 
@Hans1984 what was your surgery for?
 
multiple things
caries got removed from a tooth that had dental treatment years ago
 
12:32 PM
@nyconing how did you guys write that?
 
while he removed it the tooth broke in half...
that wasnt planned
 
@Hans1984 oh wow
 
then he fixed the tooth
recreated it
 
V.7
 
12:33 PM
and then a dental crown was fixed on top
which they made in their own doctors office
ceramic very good, very expensive
 
you feeling ok?
 
took 3hours over all, and its very exhausting to lay upside down for 3 hours
im doing alright
 
upside down?
wat
 
glad its over
 
12:34 PM
did they hang you from the ceiling or something?
Hans is now a vampyr
 
well the chair is in such a position
you almost lay upside down
so he can reach the tooth
 
wait
Was it on the top of your mouth?
 
yes
those are the worst
teeth on the bottom side are much easier
 
imagine being the dentist that has to hold his hands up for 3 hours straight
 
well there were breaks in between
like 2 x 15mins
still it took 3hours
he told me theres another tooth in the same situation on the bottom side
great...
only cost 1k €
cant afford that again anytime soon
 
12:39 PM
they usually check all your teeth before making an analysis like that
admittedly, maybe it would take too long to do all in one sitting, but still
 
of course it would take too long
no you dont do more than one in one sitting
one already took 3hours
and noone has the money to pay for two at the same time anyway :P
 
@Hans1984 You sure?
 
well, I dont
 
Manage your finances youn' un
 
bs
1k€ is a lot of money for most ppl
 
12:43 PM
You're a developer; you're not most people ;-P
 
Wait, developers are supposed to get loadsamoney?
I'VE BEEN LIED TO!!!1
 
You should absolutely be above median at least.
 
Well according to our government, anyone below £25k is an "unskilled worker"
 
@CaptainSquirrel Wait, developers are paid with currency!? Why have I been accepting peanuts all these years?!
 
Which pretty much rules out Junior devs and people who have a year of development under their belt
@Neil PEANUTS?! I'VE BEEN GETTING A SLICE OF BREAD!!
GIMME YO PEANUTS
 
12:45 PM
no way, bro, they're mine
 
pls
I'll share my bread
 
how much bread?
 
half
for half your peanuts
 
Junior developers start with at least ~26K over here. Minimum/unskilled hovers around ~18K
 
done! hah.. didn't know I had only 4
been saving those tonight for a feast
@RoelvanUden capable developers should (at least in theory) get a nice jump in salary after the first couple years or so
 
12:47 PM
I'm having an issue retrieving an object from a hastable using the key assigned to that object. I have an Address object that has a property address which is a placeholder for a hashtable holding the objects Line1, Line2, etc. that are added to the Hashtable collection in their constructors.
All objects have a toString method but when I try to retrieve the Line1 object from the Program.cs class using the key "line1" that is set in the constructor of the Line1 object by using the statement: Console.WriteLine("Address line 1: " + address.address["line1"].ToString());instead of printing the string representation of the Line1 object it prints the namespace followed by the class name i.e. outputs "Address line 1: AddressClasses.Line1". What is causing this (unexpected) behavior?
 
all your peanuts! now !
 
@RoelvanUden that's news to me
 
:'(
 
the Junior roles i see offering £26 generally ask for a year or two of experience as well
 
look at that greedy squirrel
 
12:48 PM
I count in euros in the Netherlands , you brits have a slightly different pay scale.
 
great..
 
ah ok
26k EUR = 21k GBP
 
That's slightly better tbh
that'd be a graduate tho
 
You can't just convert currencies. It depends on median income and living costs.
That's different per country.
And region.
 
12:49 PM
the mythical big mac index
 
Hence my earlier statement, developers should be above median at least.
 
the rationale being that a big mac costs the price that is roughly the same, given typical salaries across the world
 
Regardless of country.
 
Any Ideas?
 
@Neil Is that really a thing? That's cool.
 
12:50 PM
yeah.. a proper measure of your salary would be how many big macs you could buy with one month's salary
 
The Big Mac Index is published by The Economist as an informal way of measuring the purchasing power parity (PPP) between two currencies and provides a test of the extent to which market exchange rates result in goods costing the same in different countries. It "seeks to make exchange-rate theory a bit more digestible."The index, created in 1986, takes its name from the Big Mac, a hamburger sold at McDonald's restaurants. == Overview == The Big Mac index was introduced in The Economist in September 1986 by Pam Woodall as a semi-humorous illustration of PPP and has been published by that p...
 
Genius. :-3
 
Hey @mr5 good to see you here. Can you help me with this problem?
 
mr5
Since avnir got hired, Google is on buying spree
 
12:54 PM
I'm having an issue retrieving an object from a hastable using the key assigned to that object. I have an Address object that has a property address which is a placeholder for a hashtable holding the objects Line1, Line2, etc. that are added to the Hashtable collection in the Address object constructors.
7 mins ago, by MyWrathAcademia
All objects have a toString method but when I try to retrieve the Line1 object from the Program.cs class using the key "line1" that is set in the constructor of the Line1 object by using the statement: Console.WriteLine("Address line 1: " + address.address["line1"].ToString());instead of printing the string representation of the Line1 object it prints the namespace followed by the class name i.e. outputs "Address line 1: AddressClasses.Line1". What is causing this (unexpected) behavior?
 
@MyWrathAcademia Debug it. Simplify first. Split the retrieval of that object and the console writeline. Check what type the object really is. Call tostring on it and step into to see if your custom func is actually called.
 
i think i shall have a way of the sub for lunch
 
@RoelvanUden thanks for the hint.
@RoelvanUden by debugging do you mean manual testing?
Line1 line1 = new Line1(numbers, roads, words);
Console.WriteLine("DEBUG HERE: " + line1.toString());
Address address = new Address(line1));
Console.WriteLine("DEBUG HERE 2: " + address.address["line1"]);
 
food secured
 
@MyWrathAcademia By debugging, I mean, using the debugger. You have used the debugger before, right?
@MyWrathAcademia The two last statements are not the same.
 
1:08 PM
// output:
DEBUG HERE: 111 North Avenue
 
@CaptainObvious what hath thou secured for sustenance?
 
Just a bacon and susage butty today
 
Can someone tell me why you can't get the bytes of a short?
Encoding.Default.GetBytes(@short));
 
output: DEBUG HERE 2: AddressClasses.Line1
 
1:09 PM
@AshKetchum 'Cause a short isn't text
@AshKetchum Use BitConverter
 
@RoelvanUden I have never used a debugger before
 
@CaptainObvious so for lunch, you got breakfast? lol
 
My IDE is visual studio
 
Good thing
 
@MyWrathAcademia Look at the link I sent ya. Get familiar with it. It's your most powerful tool in development which allows you to see everything that's going in step-by-step.
 
1:10 PM
My IDE is cyanide
 
Bacon & sausage butty is any time food
 
It'll also teach you exactly why this code isn't doing what you're expecting.
 
but this still doesn't work?
BitConverter.GetBytes(@short)
 
@CaptainObvious Incorrect
It is breakfast food
 
1:11 PM
And breakfast food is food that can be eaten at any time
 
@AshKetchum It does for me.
 
I agree with that one
 
guys may I need some advices as a software engineer
may I told you my story?
 
@RoelvanUden I will look at the link now. By the way why do you say that the last two statements are not the same?
 
I know it sounds ridiculous
 
1:12 PM
3 mins ago, by Roel van Uden
@MyWrathAcademia The two last statements are not the same.
 
@MyWrathAcademia I'm not going to tell you. Not to be mean, but to force you to get to be familiar with the debugger. It'll show you. Trust me on that one. :-)
 
Okay, I understand but just to confirm, do you mean these two last statements?
Address address = new Address(line1));
Console.WriteLine("DEBUG HERE 2: " + address.address["line1"]);
 
@MyWrathAcademia Yep, your problem is in those two. Use the debugger to find out why.
 
I will ping you after I read the contents of the link you sent. Thank you.
 
Is there a way to get the length of the original data from a byte[]? Converted to byte[] with Encoding.Default.GetBytes
 
1:17 PM
@AshKetchum uncompile it, somehow?
 
seems long
I was just trying to get it in a seperate method which byte[] gets passed to instead of calling an extra method to append bytes with the length
 
@AshKetchum Uh, .Length
Byte data does not have an 'original data'. It is the exact data. If you mean, what would be the length of the byte data was read as a utf-8 string, then use a convert and get the length.
 
mr5
@Plain_Dude_Sleeping_Alone go on
@Plain_Dude_Sleeping_Alone tell us your story
 
I've just announced my will to resign this afternoon
 
good
some things have to be done
 
1:23 PM
i'm constantly tortured for the feeling being not fit to company culture, everybody is supposed to be fun , not me, i'm a code eater
I'm the toxic one
the bad hire
 
Fuck company culture. You get paid for your skills and time. That's it.
 
mr5
@AshKetchum most of the time sizeof(byte) == sizeof(short)
So there's no need to convert to byte
 
@mr5 What? Hell no. A short is 2 bytes.
 
no, I want to get the .Length of a string but it was converted to a byte[] using Encoding.Default.GetBytes and now all I have is the value from GetBytres (IE a byte[])
 
well if thats how you feel you certainly should resign
no money/work is worth that torture
 
mr5
1:25 PM
Oh wait. short isn't the same as char, byte, bool?
 
yeah, company culture is an invention of the company as propaganda meant to make you feel like you should care about the company
 
@AshKetchum Encoding.Default.GetString(bytes).Length
 
don't drink the koolaid
 
^ That so much. Don't believe the whole propaganda. Your colleagues are not your 'fam' either.
 
How expensive is that call? Would is be better to just call a WriteShort with the length of the string instead of adding this into the WriteBytes method I have?
 
1:26 PM
be a good employee because you're supposed to be professional and you're supposed to do your best, not because you care about the company
 
I have this right now.
public void WriteString(string data)
{
    WriteBytes(Encoding.Default.GetBytes(data));
}

private void WriteBytes(byte[] data)
{
    _packetBody.AddRange(BitConverter.GetBytes(Encoding.Default.GetString(data).Length));
    _packetBody.AddRange(data);
}
 
@AshKetchum ... There's so much wrong with this.
 
I could add WriteShort to WriteString
like?
 
First of, why are you designing your own binary format? Can't you use protobuf or something?
Second, if you're designing your own thing, use BinaryWriter/BinaryReader which has all this built-in for you.
 
I'm not designing my own binary format, its for a network packet.
public class ServerPacketBuilder
{
    private readonly int _packetId;
    private readonly List<byte> _packetBody;

    protected ServerPacketBuilder(int packetId)
    {
        _packetId = packetId;
        _packetBody = new List<byte>();
    }

    public void WriteString(string data)
    {
        WriteBytes(Encoding.Default.GetBytes(data));
    }

    private void WriteBytes(byte[] data)
    {
        _packetBody.AddRange(BitConverter.GetBytes(Encoding.Default.GetString(data).Length));
        _packetBody.AddRange(data);
 
1:28 PM
If it's an existing design spec, you shouldn't have to ask whether you should 'add this or not' because you can't decide.
 
what?
It's my personal project, no design spec involved
 
Then stop mocking about designing your own packet structures for everything that is holy, and just use an off-the-shelf solution.
Or, you should be VERY COMFORTABLE with the material so you don't even have to ask these questions.
Sorry if this sounds harsh but you're just wasting your own time.
 
mr5
@Plain_Dude_Sleeping_Alone dude. Same story. But I am forcing myself to blend in otherwise I feel bad and the admins don't interact with me anymore
 
I am now designing my own packet structure - I am following the packet structure of a client I am using
The client is closed sourced and not written by me
 
Then you are not designing a packet structure, you have to stick to their spec. Don't ask whether you should add things to a packet or not, it makes no sense, because you can't decide.
 
1:31 PM
I wasn't asking if I should add something?
I was asking how is the best way to add it.
Take me back to a time when asking for advice in a chatroom wasn't wrong, damn.
 
Yeah, sorry, I'll shut up now.
 
mr5
taking back Ash Ketchup to Digimon World
@RoelvanUden @Neil does your boss's often tell a joke? Do you feel the need to laugh at it even it isn't funny?
 
@mr5 Nope. Fortunately for me :)
that's not entirely true. He does joke, but it's usually very situational
I feel obliged to smile, but not to laugh
 
No. I work in an extremely flat organization, there's very little 'pleasing the boss' going on. No need to force anything. Jokes are situational, and honestly, my boss is pretty funny most of those times.
 
@CaptainSquirrel i think @HéctorÁlvarez never returend :<
 
mr5
1:44 PM
I can't tell my boss his joke was bad as recommended from Quora because of cultural difference and I'm not a good communicator
 
mr5
@RoelvanUden good culture
 
@mr5 I like it, but as anything, it has its advantages and disadvantages.
 
mr5
I think we're having the same feeling from our company as @Plain_Dude_Sleeping_Alone
But I'm coward to tell what I really want
I wanted to be strict in coding but my colleagues doesn't care about design patterns
 
1:48 PM
omg I've been trying for like an hour to figure out how to make a csproj file
am I disabled or something?
 
@mr5, at least your friends know coding
mine? Well we talk about business process all day along, son vague ideas that couldn't be coded yet
 
@HéctorÁlvarez pls
I think the best type of workplace is a hybrid between flat and hierarchical
flat in that everyone can have a laugh and there's no pleasing of the boss per say
and hierarchical in that people who shouldn't be making certain decisions about things, aren't
 
mr5
This past days, all I do is report to client, create presentation for a design pattern everyone wouldn't even want to follow, and create specs. Ahhh
 
Also if you want some newest fashion trendy , you can do one day visit to my company, I know a lot of beautiful girls here, that's what our bussines process work anyway
 
It would appear i'm out of things to work on
this is a problem
 
mr5
1:58 PM
Yeah it seems problematic to work there
 
Only sometimes
 
class, object, interface ? Fuk those nobody knows your alien terms
 
mr5
Which country are you @Plain_Dude_Sleeping_Alone?
 
beautiful girls might be the only reason to stay in that company
the way you described it
but is that enough?
I dont think so
 
mr5
If you're good looking, it might benefit you, but if you look like me, nah, better find a serious job
 
2:01 PM
If you have fallen out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down, you must make sure you are very good at your jerb
 
pretty sure I wasn't hired because I'm handsome
 
same here lol
 
unlike those pretty girls at plain dudes company
man I hate to get up at 6am
the whole day feels like shit
 
I dunno
getting up early is kinda good sometimes
Like for example
last sunday i woke up at 9am
the missus was still asleep
 
yeah sometimes
but certainly not for a 3h surgery
 
2:07 PM
I got to play csgo undisturbed for 3 hours
I plan to employ that strategy again this weekend :D
oh fuck
that pepsi i had at lunch is giving me acid reflux
god dammit
 
is cs still a thing ?
 
cs:go is
cs:s, i'm not sure
 
ok
 
Feb 10 at 13:45, by AlRey
one of the last times I went on CS:GO, someone said "n***er" for no reason and then everyone decided to vote to kick me out cause they're retarded and thought I was the one who said it
Source is eh....they still got people, but not much
 
I did encounter someone who said that in the game i played last night
I just muted them and continued to carry the team lol
it bothers me how i can play amazing some rounds and shit the next
or be top of the leaderboard with 25+ kills one game
and then be bottom of the board the next
 
2:13 PM
If you're top of the leaderboard: skillz. If you're at the bottom: they're cheaters.. ALL OF THEM!
 
lol
I'm not gunna lie, there were a couple times when i wondered if i was actually cheating
QUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD
 
I love when people play their music over the mic
oftentmeis it's something hilarious
 
if you do that during a comp match, i am disapoint
and i hope you get knifed
(in the game ofc)
 
V.7
wat
 
2:25 PM
sorry internet got disconnected
see you guys
thanks for some suggestions.
 
see you
 
bye Doraemon's friend
 
why am still here..
ok bye
 
V.7
bb @Plain_Dude_Sleeping_Alone
 
Oh dream, America, dream
 
2:56 PM
!~shiba
 
no,not now!
later
 
@Hans1984 do you want a shiba lol
 
no this shiba wants me to take it for a walk
but im too tired
 

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