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12:20 AM
Does anyone know why DataSet.GetXml() isn't nesting new rows for me?
I have a fiddle showing the issue
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Q: After importing DataSet from XML, new rows are not nested properly

DotNetPadawanI'm using DataSet.ReadXml() to import an XML file into a new DataSet. Then I'm adding a new row to one of the tables inside the DataSet, and then I want to export that DataSet to XML again. The problem is that the new row is not nested properly and just gets appended to the end of the XML file. ...

 
 
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2:49 AM
how would i subract from a list containing numbers from the top down?
ex: listA = {10, 10, 10}, var numbertoSub = 25
listA = {5}
numbertoSub = 15
listA = {5, 10}
 
 
3 hours later…
5:42 AM
@Wietlol hey ; )
@Squirrelintraining hey
 
6:08 AM
@Adan Moin
GoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOd Mornin' pleberinos!
 
@Adan Personally I'd do something like this, but not sure what you would use that for. There is probably a better way to do this with templates.

static class ListExtensions
{
public static bool Subtract<T>(this List<int> myList, int value)
{
while (myList.Count != 0 && value > 0)
{
if (myList[0] <= value) // remove front 0s from teh front of the list
{
value -= myList[0]; // subtract front of list from value subtraction value
myList.RemoveAt(0); // remove
}
else
{
myList[0] -= value; // subtract remaining value
 
@Squirrelintraining morning, was trying to figure this issue out
 
!!tell BenjaminDangerJohnson format
 
@BenjaminDangerJohnson Format your code - hit Ctrl+K before sending and see the faq
 
@BenjaminDangerJohnson hey thanks for the input, I had something like this:
public static int[] Subtract(int[] array, int value)
        {

            int s = 0;

            int index = 0;
            int delta = 0;

            for (int i = array.GetLength(0) - 1; i >= 0; --i)
            {
                s += array[i];

                if (s > value)
                {
                    index = i;
                    delta = s - value;

                    break;
                }
            }

            // Too big a value is subtracted, let's return an empty array
here's the problem, my code uses an object list instead of an int[] array ><
 
6:21 AM
Why use array.GetLength(0) and not array.Length
 
What does that even mean? GetLength(0)?
 
@Adan then your fucked :D
@Neil It's for multi-dimensional-arrays
Get the length of the 0th dimenstion
 
oh, that's not confusing at all ಠ_ಠ
 
yea I know im fked
getlength(0)? not sure, i copied from another source
 
not judging your code, just judging your silly little language
Kotlin > *
(realizing that I'm starting to sound a bit like Wietlol)
 
6:24 AM
isnt there a LINQ where i can say 'consider this part of the object list, ex: x.NUMBERS, and with number 50, mill down from top down
the idea is so simple, i really don't want to do a for loop
{NUMBER: 10, NUMBER: 10, NUMBER: 10}, subtract by 15, --> {NUMBER: 5, NUMBER: 10}
 
it's not clear what that code does
for every number above value, find the sum of that number - value, and for the rest just number?
 
im not sure either ><
 
@Adan If your code uses an object list you may want to either cast the objects to ints or floats if you can, or have them implement some kind of interface that gives them a subtract function. Pretty sure you could also do operator overloading if you want to be clever about it but it can be a pain if your code is too mathy.
 
@Neil yes, yes you are.
 
yea
 
6:35 AM
Also thanks for the Control+K thing. I thought stack overflow used to do that automatically.
 
@Adan keep ait simple do a looop.
 
I don't suppose anyone here has any experience with setting up TightVNC or similar online VNC servers?
 
7:00 AM
@Adan you can do this in linq using a select and where (map and filter)
considering it is C#, you can have a local int variable that has the remaining value you want to subtract
// on the map, you do
if (it <= 0)
    return it; // todo deal with negatives?
else if (it >= remainder) {
    it -= remainder;
    remainder = 0;
    return it;
}
else {
    remainder -= it;
    return 0;
}
on the filter, you filter out 0s
or you could use a DropWhile and apply the same logic
DropWhile(it => {
    remainder -= it;
    return remainder > 0;
})
the only issue you then have is the first element will not have its value updated
and C# doesnt really have a nice way how to handle that
you could do something like .Drop(1).Prepend(-remainder), but that is assuming you only need the int value
 
I'm not familiar with the ins and outs of Linq, but would you still have access to the remainder variable? If so you could just subtract it from the first element of the list.
 
you have the resulted remainder, yes
for example, on [10, 10, 10] - 15, you have [10, 10] (remainder -5)
 
,orning o/
 
and on [10, 10, 10] - 18, you have [10, 10] (remainder -2)
the first element in the collection should have its value set to -1 * remainder (or -remainder for short)
but you cant really put an easy decorator on an IEnumerable
 
gotcha, I'm not really a LINQ guy so I have no idea how to go about it. I basically just consider it SQL for C# and ignore it unless I have massive datasets.
 
7:15 AM
meh, I think linq is much more powerful than regular loops
and much simpler
my language doesnt even have those common loops such as for, foreach, while and do-while
 
I've heard that but never tested it myself. I'm just not a fan of the syntax. I find standard loops are easier to understand.
 
ye, you need to get familiar with it
and that can take a while
especially in C#, considering there isnt a ForEach function
 
maybe. I am dealing with more and more data now that I am moving into MR and AR development.
 
good morning.
 
so, it all looks weird
ohai avner
 
7:17 AM
but I'm going to fight it as long as possible.
 
personally, I dont like to fight progress ;)
I embrace it... and fight lack of progress
 
Also, we're talking about a programming paradigm that's over 10 years old in C#, right?
If you've started programming in C# in the last decade, you should have learned LINQ.
 
still, at schools, you get taught how to do for (int i = 0; i < arr.Length; i++) DoStuff(arr[i]);
I blame schools
at least... mine
 
Schools should start with fundamentals. Loops are fundamental.
 
goto is fundamental...
 
7:22 AM
It's good to learn, so you know how loops work, but in C# specifically you can use LINQ most of the time.
 
Goto is important too.
 
KILLERINO
 
wanna tell me you didnt learn goto?
 
I'm back!
Did you miss me?
 
Morning btw o/
 
7:23 AM
I never want to see a person learning coding for the first time be confronted with goto
 
Yeah I'm old now at the ripe old age of 30. They didn't have LINQ back in my day.
 
and neither with fori
 
@SiT sorry I kinda forgot to kidnap you
 
A CS school isn't there to teach you to be an efficient programmer, necessarily. It's there to teach you to be a computer scientist. They should teach how to be an efficient programmer as a tool of being a computer scientist.
 
we just had sticks for poking the smarter programmers.
 
7:23 AM
Wat
 
@BenjaminDangerJohnson I'm 29, shove that excuse up somewhere not anywhere in here
 
@BenjaminDangerJohnson Well, at 40, I watched LINQ enter the C# world and have blessed every second since.
 
@Squirrelkiller your 29 already?! sheesh
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan shouldnt a CS school teach you how to develop software?
 
And curse whenever I use a language that doesn't have decent list comprehension semantics.
 
7:24 AM
My 29 what?
 
@Wietlol Not necessarily. CS isn't about developing software. It's about computer science research. It should teach the fundamentals, and more is always better, but the fact that a CS graduate goes out to the world and gets a job building, I dunno, websites or something means that there's a huge disconnect between the training and the job.
There should be professional training for being good software developers. And academic training for being good computer scientists. There's a lot of overlap. But these are not the same things.
 
hmm... my education is Software Engineer / Software Developer / Software Architect
 
We have data scientists here at work. They have MScs and PhDs in computer science. They're smart and capable and do good work. But they're not good software engineers.
That's a different discipline.
 
Officially, my education is "Computer Science Expert"
But that's a software dev nontheless
 
There's a lot of confusion in terms, mostly because most universities don't actually teach software engineering, but rather computer science.
That's like studying physics and then going on to be an electrical engineer. You know the concepts, but you haven't necessarily been trained in applying them to real-world situations.
 
7:28 AM
CS == "How does this computer work and why?"
Dev == "Let's make this computer od something useful"
My understanding basically.
 
sounds about right.
 
!= software engineering
 
@Squirrelkiller More: CS == "How do we write an algorithm to recognize emotion in faces". Dev/Engineering == "Let's see how we can take these algorithms and use them at web-scale to create a product".
 
I can't remember anything development related from my old CS classes besides some basic algorithm design stuff and the odd project or two.
 
We have this exact task right now - taking the outputs of our data science team and applying more engineering to them, making sure they're easy to test, deploy on the cloud, containerized and generally speaking, easy to use as part of the entire software product.
I've worked with recent CS grads - hell, I've interviewed and hired and regretted hiring recent CS grads - that knew the theory very well, could write a document clustering algorithm, but had no idea how to apply that to a real world product. That's not necessarily a bad thing - they contribute their part, and the engineers do their part.
And if the software engineer also knows his way around the ML models? Or the data scientist understands distributed software architecture? Fantastic! Everyone benefits.
 
7:36 AM
good morning
 
Christ I hate networking stuff.
 
why. It's so much fun
 
It's the most painful thing since trying to learn JavaScript.
 
TcpListener stuff?
 
nah, not programming. that part is done. Trying to get a VNC server setup so I can remote into installations and fix configuration issues without traveling.
made some crazy projection mapping system for a temple but we have an issue with an overweight monk shaking the projectors out of position.
 
7:47 AM
ahoy mateys
 
AH I see.
CS == I like Maths but not coding
Dev == I like coding but not Maths
Ahoy Captain o7
 
I enjoy math
I think with respect to once upon a time, I'm not as good with it as I used to be
 
@BenjaminDangerJohnson networking is fun and gr8
 
@Squirrelintraining If you say so man, but I can not wrap my head around it. For some reason I am just incapable of opening ports.
 
Databases are dumb
 
7:51 AM
@BenjaminDangerJohnson Opening is easy, closing is most important!
 
@Squirrelintraining Is it? I've tried opening ports through the firewall and routers on 3 different networks and not a single one seems to be going through. I can only assume I am making some kind of obvious mistake.
 
Some databases are dumb.
Some Databases are smart.
Some databases are too smart.
 
@CaptainObvious Databases are only dumb if you don't know what you are doing and are using them wrong
Unless its MySQL in which case you are the dumb dumb for using dumb dumb database
 
I'm probably gonna feel dumb for asking this, but what's wrong with MySQL?
 
7:55 AM
EVERYTHING
 
it's only too smart if it attempts to optimize a search and slows it down in the process, without giving you a means to suggest a smarter search strat
 
ah well that cleared that up
 
but to be fair, usually optimizations are on point
 
Computers, in general, are dumb. They only do what they're told.
 
To be fair to computers
They are just rocks that we tricked into thinking
so its hardly their fault
 
7:56 AM
'xactly.
 
Oh dealing with the router at home canbe a bitch, but networking itself is easy.
@Squirrelkiller and me made a connect4 lan version
Which in theory can be opend to the world if one wants.
 
...like the one we built before?
 
@CaptainSquirrel Really, a computer produces the same heat as a radiator, for the same power consumed
So a computer is really just a really complex radiator electrical heater
 
How does it get available to the world?
 
I like to think of computers as really smart idiots.
 
7:57 AM
@Neil Technically a computer generates a bit more light and a bit more air movement than a radiator
 
@BenjaminDangerJohnson Give me true stupidity over artificial intelligence any day :)
 
It's like when your elementary school teacher asks you to write down the instructions for making a peanut butter sandwich and you don't realize you need to explain the concept of taking bread out of a bag before adding it to the sandwich.
 
@Squirrelkiller hmm, I suppose that's true, but I think that's minimal
 
@Squirrelintraining Also can you dockerize it? Then I will host it :D
 
Is @J.Doe banend again?
 
7:59 AM
also the act of producing light and moving air generates heat if we want to get technical
 
The questin is why should you host it?
It's just gonna do nothing and crash every so often
 
@Squirrelintraining Any ideas on what I might be missing between the firewall and router, or how to check if either of them are set correctly? The only test toll I can find are port checking websites which just check the final result.
 
Why would it crash? It shouldn't crash!
 
@Squirrelintraining Aye, 412 411 days
J.Doe Unban Countdown timeanddate.com/countdown/…
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o/
@CaptainSquirrel lmao
 
8:07 AM
In this case it's Mysql (or more accurately Mysql's sister MariaDB)
 
MariaDB isn't as bad
BUT STILL WHY ARE YOU USING THAT
ITS 2019
 
BECAUSE IT WAS FREEEEEE
And it was 2015
 
SO IS SQL SERVER
 
yuhuh
Just don't store more than 10gb :D
 
8:07 AM
Not if you need something which isn't express
Ya that's a problem. We have multiple individual tables voer 5gb each
 
soooo make multiple databases 5gb each with one table in each :D
 
Nope^^
Also maybe have a friend test if he can reach you computer, might not be such a good idea to let the world know that you have an open purt IMO
 
Then link your databases together
 
@CaptainSquirrel Such unfairness!
 
Postgres is free and pretty good.
 
8:09 AM
Wait why was JDoe banned this time, and why for so long?
 
Being riceist
 
And yes, Postres is both free and works well
 
@Squirrelkiller something something white power
basically
 
But I need to do joins on those tables
 
8:09 AM
Damn riceists, every rice is nice!
 
jin wont be here today
 
@CaptainObvious Did i stutter?
1 min ago, by Captain Squirrel
Then link your databases together
 
hes going to a movie with his company
 
instead of it being [database].[dbo].[Table]
 
@Squirrelkiller No, Parboiled rice is supreme!
 
8:10 AM
Ad Astra he said
 
Its [Server].[database].[dbo].[Table]
 
has anyone seen it already ?
 
To be honest, you could probably just run multiple instances on the same machine
 
That sounds painful
Or, get this
We could just use real SQL server
Which we also already have licensed
 
well why didn't you do that?
 
8:14 AM
@Squirrelintraining yeah, same issue unfortunately. Only testing the end result. Also I've got a laptop and pocket WiFi I'm testing with so second network is covered. Thanks anyway.
 
But apparently if you ask Maria to enter False to a varchar column it puts in 0.
Migration is hard
And the real sql server came a couple of years later
 
What the
If it was False going into a bit/boolean column that would make sense
 
Its fine, if you ask it to put in 'False' it works fine
Yeah but because of legacy code the column couldn't be a bool type column
 
@BenjaminDangerJohnson o7
 
8:18 AM
the difference between express and the normal version of SQL Server is that the normal version allows databases greater than 4 GB if I recall correctly
 
There was all sorts of shite in the column. And it had to remain as it was to keep compatibility with some shitty old excel sheet. Yeah it's painful
 
Though I do wonder if there is some sort of warning or if you hit that 4GB mark and SQL Server starts flipping the bird to every request without prior warning
 
Probably just rejects requests
 
would it reject a select request?
 
If you hit the sql server free tier limit?
 
8:20 AM
I doubt it, but if you tried to add stuff it'd just go nah
 
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A: What happens when you hit the SQL Server Express 4GB / 10GB limit?

JasonAs I understand it you will start to see exception messages appear within your event log, such as: Could not allocate space for object 'dbo.[table]' in database '[database]' because the 'PRIMARY' filegroup is full. Create disk space by deleting unneeded files, dropping objects in the file...

 
@Neil they upped to bar to 10g
and you get an error when inserting data - i had no issues with selecting, but i was not paying attention to that tbh.
 
pretty difficult to get past 10 gb unless you're using blobs and whatnot
 
Well, that depends on your data. But if you're hitting 10GB, consider whether your business model would be best served by paying for a core freakin' product
 
it would have to be a pretty big application to use that much space, assuming it is configured properly
my old company had a licensed version of SQL Server.. you'd think that for a company like this, asking for 50 euros to pay for a library we desperately needed to fix a bug in production wouldn't have been too much to ask.. but noooooooo
they both wanted the bug fixed right away (which entailed sifting through compiled code), and they didn't want to shell out 50 euros to do it
probably ended up losing a hell of a lot more than that since we weren't able to fix it ultimately
 
8:26 AM
Express has the following limits; 1410mb ram, 352mb ram per columnstore or memeory optimised database, 10gb per database, no HA support, no transparent data encryption
 
only opaque data encryption available
 
@Neil 10g is pretty easy trust me lol.
 
@Neil for reference we had databases at my last place that were 15gb a piece
with no blob storage or anything
couple tables with 1.5mil+ rows
 
a polar bear
yesterday a black bat
new animals every day
 
but to be fair, they were also migrated from mysql to sql server
 
8:32 AM
the animals ?
:D
 
(The mysql bit was before my time when i was there, but we replaced vendors software with our own, but in c# instead of php)
 
We had a mammoth database which was ultimately ported from an AS/400 and when it was full, there were millions of records
Somehow this database only occupied about 3 Gb, so my idea is that it would take quite a lot to exceed 10Gb
 
well shit
to be fair, i'm still not entirely sure why they were so god damn big
 
development at my old company was sort of a nightmare
 
what about nuggets today ?
tomorrow i will go to a thai restaurant and eat duck
 
8:44 AM
it was originally based on the as400, and they never really wanted to risk migrating fully to SQL Server, so we ended up having automated processes to recreate the database in SQL Server occasionally when new development was made
There's this japanese place where they give you this big bowl of rice and veggies and they top it with this filet of salmon cooked so that the skin is nice and crispy
they then top it with teriyaki sauce
 
i went to this place alot of times
 
man, there is nothing quite like it. I get cravings for it
 
their duck is sooo good
with spicy sauce and lots of rice
and very good price too
 
sounds wonderful
 
it is
 
8:46 AM
1.5m rows isn't a huge amount
 
it's always fresh and tasty
duck is always soo crispy and yummy
just very good overall
 
the one problem I have with that place is that you pay a little bit more than you normally would for a lunch, and don't get me wrong, they give you way too much to eat as well
 
Just short of 5mil in one of ours
 
I would prefer to not get the soup or the dessert or the appetizer and just get the bowl, which is already plenty, at like half the price or something
 
but its mostly very healthy you have to take that in account
which is worth some extra bucks
@Neil I see
 
8:48 AM
Ooh, we're going to a good steak and burger place for lunch today. Farewell lunch for a coworker who's leaving.
 
26.5mil in another one
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan that'll be nice
 
yes in this restaurant you can only get one meal
so you dont have to eat more than you want
 
@CaptainObvious That's what i mean
 
desert costs extra
 
8:49 AM
And 4mil in another one
 
looking back with the data stored in there
 
or soup
 
We maybe had two tables roughly with 1.5m rows in them each
and those were just the stored expenses
timesheets were roughly 1m ish
 
A part of me doesn't want to have to think of paying for each individual item separately
 
Maybe the log table had a crap load but
The size of that db was a bit odd
 
8:50 AM
it's a hassle and I kind of just want to pay for a menu and not think about cost again, but at the same time, if it's too much, I feel like I have to eat it anyway
 
@Neil im usually satisfied with the normal meal so i dont need extras
its lots of rice
+ duck with sauce and vegetables
 
The worst part about the one with 25mil in it is the data is accessed multiple times daily
Various data across the entire table
 
rip you
 
I optimised it to the point where it only takes about 3 seconds to run a query on it, but that's the best I could manage
 
You know, I used to take the salmon skin off, but it's so crispy, I can't resist
 
8:52 AM
indexes are your friend?
 
Very much so
 
It's nice to have real friends too though
 
@Neil it's too good not to eat it
it makes the whole duck
quack! quack!
duck duck
 
duck isn't good otherwise. It's too fatty if it isn't cooked properly
 
8:53 AM
yes
 
@CaptainSquirrel And statistics probably, you the database engine known when to use and when not to use an index
 
which as I understand it, an index is really nothing more than a simple database table under the hood
when it uses an index, it simply does a breadth search in this index table, which if it is organized as it should, should be an efficient search
 
Word of warning to anyone out there wanting to move to Japan. Don't do it unless you like ramen, takoyaki, or okonomiyaki because that is like 90% of the food here. I hate working late.
 
so you moved to japan ?
I plan to travel there
learning japanese for almost 2 years now but progress is getting slower and slower...
 
yeah got a job here like a year and a half ago. Didn't realize how limited various options are here.
 
9:06 AM
@BenjaminDangerJohnson ramen is awesome
Well, I can't say for sure, I haven't had the authentic ramen, but from the photos it looks freakin' awesome
 
It gets old fast, but it is good.
 
Ramen is 10/10
 
and you feel a bit sick after eating it from all the oils and stuff. Very heavy meal.
 
I really want to try takoyaki because it looks 10/10
and okonomiyaki
 
I just looked up takoyaki
they look like octopus meatballs
 
9:08 AM
tl;dr octopus balls
 
not thrilled on that one
 
I want to try it at the very least
 
yeah it's octopus in like some weird pancake batter.
 
Also i want an ichiran
 
okonomiyaki looks good
savory pancakes
 
9:09 AM
it's okay. I think it is the same batter as takoyaki, but no octopus. Although they cover it in fish flakes if you don't stop them. But then again some people like that bukkake stuff.
 
I actually think, also i like alot about japan, i would have a hard time eating in japan
 
@CaptainSquirrel looks like ramen based on the photos
 
im not into seafood AT ALL
and i need my meat
 
yeah me neither. Hope you like pork and fried chicken.
 
I do
 
9:10 AM
Honestly this is the most communist capitalist country I have ever lived in. It's crazy how almost every apartment is identical.
 
but isnt it expensive
 
pulled pork is the bomb
not very japanese though
 
more expensive than the seafood ?
 
nah it's actually not that bad here. At least in Osaka. Food is dirt cheap if you go to restaurants.
 
I understood that the japanese don't put much emphasis on having large and accomodating homes
 
9:11 AM
most meals are like 500 - 800 yen
 
like in winter, they'll heat just one room that they sleep in and leave the rest cold
 
@Neil can confirm its 100/10 ramen in japan apparently
 
well then i should be fine
 
@CaptainSquirrel beh, I have no idea either way :)
 
@Neil It's not that they are small. It's that they all have the same counters, floors, room sizes, and toilets. You literally can't tell some of the places apart.
 
9:12 AM
@Neil I only know of it because i watch a youtuber that travels around places
and he loves ichiran in japan
 
Is ichiran a restaurant or something? I'm not familiar with it.
 
@BenjaminDangerJohnson OMG, that is cheap. When I get cheap restaurant meals, they are about 10-12 euros
 
@BenjaminDangerJohnson Yes sec
 
@bradbury9 Yeah it's weird. I always thought this place would be crazy expensive. My apartment in Las Vegas cost me $1,000 a month but here I only pay about $600. Grocery stores are expensive though if you don't buy Japanese products.
ah okay, touristy ramen shop. Probably one on the big tourist street (Sennichimae) nearby.
The one thing I really like about this place though is that you find porn in stores. I have no idea why but I can't help but burst out laughing every time I pass a rack of dirty magazines. It's just so weird and expected for this place.
 
In all countries at groceries foreign products are expensive. Not much demand, so price goes up
 
9:17 AM
I mean like convenience stores, not specialty shops.
@bradbury9 Right right, but I mean simple stuff like green beans or watermelons. Not Captain Crunch cereal.
@bradbury9 A small watermelon is like 3,000 JPY here.
 
Yeah, I have heard about that, they go crazy with some products
 
@BenjaminDangerJohnson My idea is that at some point there is going to be an explosion in japanese culture
maybe not in the next 10 years, but sometime soon
 
Like the culture will collapse or become more popular world wide?
 
neither, I mean they will all seek to personalize their own kitchen and apartment in general
major consumerism
 
ah, well they kind of do. Like you can go to a home center and buy new stuff but people here are pretty stingy so they usually just stick with it. It's also normally the same style they grew up with so they don't want to change. I mean even my floors are made of grass for christs sake.
 
9:34 AM
f it. I'm using TeamViewer. I hate to do it but this networking stuff is just an absolute mess.
 
grass?
 
Did someone say weed?
 
you wont smoke weed in japan i tell you that
 
@BenjaminDangerJohnson I sure hope you work in a western-mentality company.
The traditional Japanese work mentality is awful.
 
9:38 AM
 
Well I meant tatami mats, but yeah you can get weed here if you know where to go. I'm working in an area with a lot of underground music clubs (my company makes software art and entertainment software for clubs, companies, and events.) so it's pretty easy to find here.
Although I think the last time I saw it was when I was working on the Pikachu Invasion event in Yokohama.
@RoelvanUden I like what I do so it's not too bad. But I also get off easy with 9 hour days, 5 days a week.
 
For Japanese standards, that is a great work schedule ;d
 
Depends what you want to do, as a programmer it is pretty good. Salary is shit though. Not sure how much you make where you work but most companies pay 75% of what I used to get in the US and I get about 60% at my job.
 
@CaptainSquirrel i leld
 
9:55 AM
@CaptainSquirrel is this supposed to show us how dumb the american youth is ?
or how dumb youth is in general ?
 

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