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2:06 AM
Then diving so you can see entire world under the sea
Thats why people shall learn the easier breaststroke first. The only swimable under water without equipment
 
mr5
2:45 AM
@nyconing how does it work?
@Wietlol what language is that?
 
Breaststroke provide best propulsion forces underwater by create high pressure between wide legs, and with the combination of arms crawl force
The only disadvantage is the resistance of re-entry. But it can be reduced significantly by practice.
 
3:10 AM
Other type have less resistance of re-entry because they reset the position out of the water. Thats why they cant be used underwater.
 
Goood Morning oOo
I don't know I prefer the Toad underwater... Will try breaststroke next time
 
 
2 hours later…
5:37 AM
Good morning
So one of our ministers wants every messenger service to practically provide a backdoor for our intelligence service.
 
GoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOd Mornin' squirrelerinos!
@Squirrelkiller Who?
 
@Squirrelintraining the CDU wants to limit our freedom of speech before elections
 
5:54 AM
Seehofer
der horst
 
Und AKK
Anneliese Kampf-Kaffeebecher
 
Die hat auch einen an der Waffel
 
Und wie!
 
@SebastianHofmann You are friggn Sebastian L.!!!
@Squirrelkiller Well 'duh, he's from Bavaria
 
Hey schieb das nicht auf uns, wir sind nicht alle so behämmert!
 
6:02 AM
Doch
Naja ok nihct alle
Aber Ausnahmen bestätigen die regel!
 
@Squirrelintraining Nein, bin ich nicht!
 
Hören Sie auf mein Hirn zu ficken werter Herr!
 
Good morning
         If LookUp("AHR","HOMENTTP","DOCLEVEL_NUM", "ENTTP_COD='" & sarray(0,j) & "' ",sNum="DOCLEVEL_NUM") Then
         If sNum=1 AND Trim(sLev1 & "") ="" Then
Nice VB believes it's JS
and here I thought I'd seen everything
look at it being a string and then being compared with a number.
 
6:18 AM
o7 avni
 
Hey hey now, VB believed in loose type coercion even before JS came around.
 
@HéctorÁlvarez Since when are yo doing VB again for fun?
 
@Squirrelintraining The tricked me.
"We are looking for a .NET profile" they said
At least they pay much better than my last job, plus I'll have remote work later down the road
 
6:22 AM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan But JS was to loose types as Van Halen was to tapping. He didn't invent it, but it wasn't cool until he showed off.
 
mr5
VS team are bunch of robots
 
@HéctorÁlvarez Time to quit I'd say
o/ sama senpai roel
 
@Squirrelintraining ¬¬
 
6:44 AM
@HéctorÁlvarez Double negative -> one positive?
 
I'm not quitting my job (yet)
Although I admit I've talked to a couple people who are looking for a .NET person
 
Talk to plebs who are searching for C# plebs
Aswel we are searching for C# plebs.
Come to us and I will get a hefty ¬fine
 
finen't
Also better come to us, we need someone speaking spanish
 
mr5
reference incentives?
 
Because I'm learning spanish and need practice
Yup, reference incentives
 
mr5
6:54 AM
is asian engrish okay?
 
I know a filipino, that english was acceptable
 
mr5
ugh
I still have one more year to practice my engrish verbal skillz
I'm not really good verbally
 
@Squirrelkiller Just cuz your gf, 'eh?
 
mr5
You would find me always saying "ahhhmm", "ughh", and the likes
 
I actually started way before I met her^^
Had Duolingo on my phone for years
 
6:56 AM
@mr5 Why 1 year restriction?
 
mr5
@anand_v.singh bond
 
Your Job requires you to learn it?
 
@Squirrelkiller Moving abroad sounds tempting to some extent, but it's quite the gamble
 
I had one such job offer from Tokyo they were sending to compulsory Japanese classes, and I had 1 year after joining to learn it, it was a great job, high pay, and I wanted to learn a new language as well, but didn't really like that I would be learning so many things at once...
@mr5 What is your mother tounge?
 
mr5
@anand_v.singh nope. I'm just planning to go abroad
 
7:00 AM
@mr5 Look at Kojima, he's been in the industry for decades and can't even say "hello" properly.
 
mr5
@anand_v.singh I speak Tagalog (Filipino major language)
 
@Squirrelkiller That doesn't count!
 
ohayou
 
mr5
@anand_v.singh my GF is in Japan but I really want to work in Europe instead
I have found 1 suitable job in Tokyo but I'm still not sure
 
7:12 AM
@mr5 You got a Japanese gf?
mr5 living the dream right there!
 
they're strange about work in Japan. They give you leniency and you're not supposed to want to take it because you're a dedicated worker
 
.Where(it => it.Account != null)
.ToDictionary(it => it.Id, it => it.Account.Id); // << throws NRE
im like "wtf"
how?
 
Maybe it.Id is null?
I don't think dictionaries support null keys.
 
@mr5 that is mine
[Key]
[Required]
[Column]
public int Id { get; protected set; }
I assume it wont be null
both the key and the value
(its the same property)
at first, we had .Where(it => it.AccountId.HasValue)
after which, I could see how it could in theory be null anyway
but this one, I am clueless
 
mr5
7:35 AM
@Squirrelintraining no. she's just working there haha
 
@mr5 Oh.. What a shame
@Wietlol debug it
 
@Wietlol Are you sure it's not .Where(it => it.Account != null) throwing?
 
make propper lambda with return and try
 
Maybe it was null
 
@Squirrelintraining cant reproduce
 
7:42 AM
when you tried to do it.Account it broke
 
@HéctorÁlvarez line numbers say no
also
stack trace
> at System.Linq.Enumerable.ToDictionary[TSource,TKey,TElement](IEnumerable1 source, Func2 keySelector, Func`2 elementSelector)
 
Right that makes sense.
 
.ToDic(it => {
try {
return it.Id
}
catch(NRE)
{
debug.Break
return 0;
},
it2 => {and so on}
 
There certainly is some poltergeist
 
@HéctorÁlvarez It does, it tells you which enum throwed the exception
Aswell maybe .Where() returns 0 elements?
Doesn't fit the description tho
 
7:45 AM
What about this: .ToDictionary(it => it.Id, it => it.Account?.Id);
It might also be that Account has null ID?
@Wietlol Assuming this is for Account.Id?
 
yep
and for it.Id (the key of the dictionary items)
 
Sounds like data corruption
 
8:01 AM
sounds like a pain
I cloned the repo of the version that is currently in the environment that produces the error
but all of the projects wont build
projects wont build because it is placed in a different location than the original
somewhere in the source, it must have a path
ok, i reproduced the issue locally
if I run the expression in the immediate window first, it wont throw the exception
if I dont, it will
the only difference I can see is that I have to do a refresh of something
 
probably some async stuff, isn't it?
 
i assume not
the expression is EF tho
but the function this expression runs in, is not async
ok... now the issue is solved for me
 
8:16 AM
Well, a message requiring all your threads to run sounds like parallel operations to me.
 
(but I assume after I rerun the project, it will crash again)
yep, after restart, it crashes again
 
@mr5 Mine was in Data Science, so I wasn't very sure to begin with...
 
(put a try-catch around the call that throws the exception, it looks like some corrupt data indeed)
well... that is my issue
lets see what this will do
omg, I think I know what half of the issue is
well...
that makes sense
> .Where(it => it.SuperAccount != null)
 
Glad to be your rubber duck @Wietlol
 
> WHERE [Extent1].[SuperAccountId] IS NOT NULL
so, it.SuperAccount != null is not always correct
thank you
now I need to find out why it doesnt properly do the selection
appears to have this issue with 52 entities
out of 2951
 
8:45 AM
it appears that it only loads the entities from its cache unless explicitly being asked for in a db query
 
mr5
@anand_v.singh are you applying for a data scientist?
 
Has Breathing stopped visiting us?
 
delete Breathing32
push Breathing64
 
mirn
@Squirrelkiller Merkel replaced by Merkel 2.0
:(
 
Merkel just arrived at a time where she could not win, no matter what she did.
This one however...this one is bad even before she actually did anything...
 
8:56 AM
@mr5 I am still in college technically, now I am doing an internship and will join as a full time employee from July, at that time I was applying for everything... I wanted a job in full stack but the company I was interning at said that they will confirm later, so I was quite good at data science so I was easily able to get to the interviews there
 
see thats why i didnt vote
theres not a single Party i can trust
i thought for a Long time about it and came to the decision i cant vote for anyone
 
Whereas in full stack the entry level jobs weren't that good, but then I got the offer in the company I am interning and I let go of data science
 
Die Partei!
Denn sie ist gut
 
haha
 
I'm not too deep into politics but I believe Angela Merkel has achieved a very positive set of results in the last few years.
 
8:58 AM
NO seriously there are wuite some partys that go in the right direction I think. Unfortunately, as always, CDU/SPD have the masses.
 
hab überlegt ob ich die piraten wähle waren mir dann aber zu eindimensional mit ihrem programm
 
Well and surprisingly Die Grünen too this time.
 
@Hans1984 Nobody can replace mama merkel
 
wir haben wichtigere Probleme in Deutschland als Privatsphäre im internet
 
See the problem we have in Spain is that everyone who puts their hands to rule, is a corrupted politician. They keep stealing time and time again.
 
8:59 AM
@Hans1984 in that case vote for DiePartei
 
Jo the Piraten waren wieder in eine andere richtung zu extrem
 
Not only she's very good, but also rubbish
Like bring down the % for everybody else and vote for DiePartei
@Hans1984 and thats just a lazy excuse not to get out of the hosue
 
@HéctorÁlvarez it seems Merkel is viewed rather positive from ppl around europe(outside of Germany)
its not the first time i heard that from someone outside of germany
its always interesting to hear the view on that Topic from someone on the "outside"
 
She is, she's been holding Germany in a place of power, we can't say that much about UK politicians, they managed to put the UK in such a terrible position.
 
well even by alot of Germans shes viewed positive
just not by me haha
 
9:03 AM
Then again, EU politics are all I'd ever care about, I would never even wonder about whether your chancellor decided to stop paying for vaccines unless it came out on press.
 
i have to agree on UK
 
I can only tell what's happening in Spain
 
to be honest this brexit Thing Looks like a big Circus to me
 
A politician was shot in the head in my home town and nobody even cared.
 
I dont get UK politics
 
9:04 AM
She was sooooo deep in shit that when she died everyone went mad, people were afraid, next day everything was uncovered and we all laughed
 
@HéctorÁlvarez thats sad
 
> virtual
 
like "We all won from that trade" you know?
 
sigh
 
hey guys, I've been asked to develop a new feature for an existing .net app however it needs to be developed as a standalone service.

So it's to have it's own database, written in .net core instead of .net framework (which the old one uses). At this stage I'm not sure Docker containers are in scope.

I'm about to start playing about with this and try to mock something quickly and was thinking I'd setup an Azure Message Queue - have the existing app write messages to this queue via some common viewModel, then have the service application read from the queue and persist to its own database etc.
 
9:05 AM
There's an HBO movie or something, which they made after this incident
I believe it's that one
 
oh
 
@JARRRRG What sort of interactions would this new service have with the old service?
 
Last scandal was this dude who's been charged with several larceny charges, sentenced guilty every time, now he was found stealing 850.000€ from a bank stock sales.
 
Two separate apps really shouldn't communicate with each other via viewmodels - that's between a back-end and front-end, nothing to do with cross-service communication.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan - essentially a form of logging.
Existing App Logs to -> Azure Message Queue -> Service Reads from Queue persists to Database

The other scenario is

Existing App queries service (I guess through api endpoints? web api 2 I suppose) and displays/consumes that data as neede.
 
9:09 AM
@JARRRRG First, it it's running on .NET Core, it will be running ASP.NET Core, not WebAPI 2.
So you're saying you have a separate logging service that your existing app needs to use, both to post logs to, and to query the log history?
 
yep
and its been decided from a technical architechtural point that we should develop this new "audit" system separately from the application, as a service - so that it can be developed in isolation and with a newer framework
 
This looks like a good scenario for a separate microservice. The way to go about it is to develop this logging service as if it's a completely different app than the consuming app. It probably shouldn't know or care about the original app's data structures or anything. It should know only about reading and retrieving log messages.
Exactly.
Using a queue should probably fit here. You want a fire-and-forget paradigm in the consuming app, it doesn't need any response from the log service. And for the log service, you need one one hand robustness (not to lose messages) and you don't necessarily care about your DB being up to date within microseconds.
 
yep, but I've never done any microservices before or have any real experience with docker.

So I'm trying to understand how I can start setting up something that is going to use this new app.

I was going to setup a local instance of Azure queue.

Write a simple page on the consuming app that is going to write some basic messages to the azure queue.

Then start up an empty .net core app and have that some how read from this queue and persist what that to its own database instance?
Also I think docker isn't really in the scope of this and don't think its neccesary either
We're not worried about scaling at this point I assume
Am I about to go down the right rabbit hole here or is there something I can read or look at before diving in?
 
Would that help?
 
Nah I want to stay away from Docker for now
 
9:16 AM
@JARRRRG How is your current app hosted?
 
Just your traditional IIS servers with the sql databases hosted on their own os instances
So the existing app is hosted on the companies managed IIS servers, but they are leaning towards using Azure more (whatever that looks like) hence they bought up using Azure message queue.
I'm also working along side an external software development team which is going to be developing with this new architechture, hence I've been asked to do the same. Which makes sense too, sounds kinda more exciting also.
 
Oh, mama Merkel is really good!
She got stuff done
The wrong stuff but she did really well.
 
:o
 
@Squirrelintraining What did she do that you despise so badly
 
@HéctorÁlvarez For starters she is in the CDU which makes her evil by default.
 
9:21 AM
Central Drocessing Unit?
why is the Compact Disk Ultimate bad?
 
No time now, will schnacken later hecti
 
CompactDiskUnit
 
 
1 hour later…
10:32 AM
Hello, anyone knows why i'm missing servicehost class even if i use the system.servicemodel?
Uhhh, it's missing in 2019 great
 
Maybe it ran off because you didn't treat it well?
 
yeah exactly
 
@HéctorÁlvarez Christiche Demokratische Union > Christian Democratic Union of Germany
 
now your missing it
should have treated it better in the first place
nvm
 
Rotten to the core,
Put the intrest of the Economy over the people
Recieved highest donations from ecnomy and are tightly nit with almost every lobbiest out there
 
10:52 AM
@Squirrelintraining Can you translate that into english?
@Squirrelintraining Oh
Well IDK how that stands for your politics, in my country we have this abstract horizontal line, the left is composed of parties who want to help everyone, the right wants to help rich people only, and every 4 years everyone proves they vote whomever is customary because only 2 groups out of ~30 existing ones get to rule, and they take turns. The other parties are just sidekicks.
 
I mean in every country the major fight is between capitalism and socialism...
And none of the approaches can work on their own
You need to have a balance between both, and where you put that balance is what matters..
 
I'd just assume define the aspects which are important for a people, and then only put in place laws to ensure these aspects and for the rest, capitalism!
if you want medicare for everyone? fine
you want to protect the environment? fine
you want to respect people's rights? all fine
but everything else gets a green flag
 
!!meow
 
lol
 
11:26 AM
@Neil If it was so simple
Here we have certain regions with specific benefits that have stagnated over the last 5 centuries.
It wasn't until the 8th century that the arabs were defeated and sent back to Africa, after that several kingdoms were present and they said "how about joining forces?", Portugal decided to stay independent and the rest joined but under very tight conditions.
 
Not tight enough it seems
 
I mean Catalunya and a few more regions had a lot of benefits in exchange for joining Spain. This happened centuries ago, we are only carrying tradition
now they've been at the top for long enough that they can start their own country again, which is why all the ruckus about secession and rebellion
 
there's been a sort of movement in Italy as well
the upper half of Italy produces well over twice what the south of Italy produces per capita
So a lot of Italians here in the north would just assume split Italy in half
It isn't so much that the southern italians are lazy, simply that corruption is kind of the norm
 
Damn. We're moving in the wrong direction here.
Guys I'm losing my mind.
Api returns *no body*, just a header with status code 200.
How do I read that in C#?
net451
RestEase
I jsut get null all the time
wont go into IHttpActionResult
 
11:43 AM
@Squirrelkiller 200 is the response in this case
if the content is null, then no sweat. the doing is done
 
Yeah the 200 means OK
It means return true; in webinary assembly.
Damn today's a boring day
 
So uhh
Turns out it works now
And yes, 200 is ok, but my application wouldnt read it
 
It's NOT an IHttpActionResult
It's an HttpResponseMessage
That was the mistake
 
Oh
Yeah, actionresult is for MVC isn't it?
 
11:56 AM
I have no Idea what kdni of Api it is
I jsut have a swagger site
 
Well that sucks
damn still 1 hour and a half until I can mail the boss about my job deplorable conditions
 
@HéctorÁlvarez i thought i did
@HéctorÁlvarez more or less the same i'd guess
@Squirrelkiller lel i see what u did there
@Squirrelkiller I don't see the problem, the API says all is OK
 
12:13 PM
!!OakBot or CapricaSix
 
@Hans1984 OakBot
 
!!laughingdog
 
@Hans1984 That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
let me go to the sandbox...
!!thincat
 
Hello guys, got a problem with a web api project. I configure a specific route "/proxy/p1/p2/p3/p4".
But when one of my parameter is with a point it isn't detected as a valid route
for example "/proxy/search/2.0" isn't fired
but "/proxy/search/anyOtherTerm" works
 
!!zoomcat
 
your sure it allows numbers?
 
@Alexis What are your parameters declared as?
strings?
int?
2.0 isn't an int.
 
12:29 PM
its a double
:P
 
or a string
 
i know
 
it's a version
 
in that case its probably just a part of a string
 
!!orly
 
12:30 PM
@Alexis we'll have to know how you configured it.
 
Oh shit I didn't expect that.
I apologise.
 
well im more of a Java guy anyway
so no Need to apologize for me
 
I would never
 
12:33 PM
im just here for the lolz
 
@Squirrelkiller didn't expect what?
the spanish inquisition?
 
A Version class.
 
because what i've heard..
 
Come on get it over with
 
!!spanishinquisition
?
 
12:36 PM
@Default That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
hehe, yeah, Version class is probably pretty unused in C# :)
 
I would avoid putting dots, spaces, special characters, or the batsign in the URL
 
The batsign?
🦇
 
/2.🦇/
 
@HéctorÁlvarez how about emojis
 
12:40 PM
Override .ToString() so it returns the version with dashes instead, dashes are trendy in URLs
 
Unicode doesnt have the actual batsign
yet
 
na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na
BATMAN
 
@Default Emojis are fine. I don't see why someone wouldn't want to type their way to version 1.:two-eyed-poo:
 
haha
 
12:42 PM
I like that unexpected character
 
@Squirrelintraining hey, I thought that would work. what IDE is that?
 
@Default vs 2019
 
Go go gadget unicode!
You're probably on windows-1252
 
how do you paste images?
 
ctrl+v
 
12:44 PM
ctrl+w
 
Not into c# chat though
 
I typed a random hex code and got a scroll down button
 
I typed a random alt code and got a cross
 
@Wietlol I have the chat docked in firefox, so ctrlw actually just skips to the next available tab :)
but nice try
 
damnit
 
12:45 PM
Coincedence?
I think not!
 
it works in c++ in vs2015 anyway. I can add the emoji :bat: to another int
 
ª
 
; ⍅º --> A man shooting a bow
 
I typed a seemingly random, but not really random because it was influenced by me bashing my keyboard, alt code and got an "a".
on a side note...
> Incorrect syntax near 'go'.
sigh
 
㉤㉤㉤㉤ Japanese coins
 
12:49 PM
prolly go **;**
 
@Wietlol Expecting GoTo?
 
removing go fixed it
 
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