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4:00 PM
There's little to no breakage with regards to specced features breaking between browsers, there's only "this browser is too old to implement this newer aspect of the specs"
But yes, it used to be a real nightmare
Full of if (isExplorer)s and if (isFirefox)s
 
when you teach HTML, will you start by explaining the edge cases? which would probably scare away all students or take years to go through?
I assume you'd start by explaining the basic structure of its syntax, so tags, attributes and text
then, people start writing html and oops, they "forgot" to close their img tags because of whatever reason
HTML will then say "oh, it doesnt matter, I will fix that "mistake" of yours by auto-closing your img tags... always"
this is a good thing, since noone really wants to have images with stuff inside it... right?
 
@CaptainSquirrel I'm not talking about developers who write HTML
I'm talking about developers who write HTML parsers
 
oh i see
 
@Wietlol But the default works
 
I Wouldn't know anything about parsing html
nope
no sir
 
4:03 PM
<p></p><p></p> works just as <p><p>
 
Definitely didn't parse html with regex
 
yes, and?
 
If you don't know any better, you'd simply use the former and be none the wiser
BTW, It's not that <img> and <img></img> are equivalent
 
exactly, and in most cases, it is also the recommended approach
 
4:04 PM
The former is correct, and the latter is a mistake.
You don't close an img tag. Ever.
 
<img/>?
 
It is inherently self-closing, by virtue of it being an img tag.
 
and if someone would accidentally use <p><p>, then in his mind, it would be a mistake, because he didnt knew you could do it like that
 
@JonathonChase The / is ignored.
 
and HTML would fix that "mistake" of his
 
4:05 PM
@Wietlol No, it wouldn't.
That person would think of <p></p>
 
Huh. Is there any defined practice on leaving it there?
 
In reality they'd get <p></p><p></p>
Which is not what they had wanted.
This is even worse if you forget to close a <div> tag, which is more common than <p> tags
 
I do assume that he simply forgot the end tags, not forgot the slash to end the p
I suppose in the case where he wanted <p></p> and accidentally forgot the slash, then he would notice quite quickly that his code is borked
 
This is the same argument against automatic semicolon insertion in JavaScript
Is it a bad feature? Probably
But it's an intended feature, that you can make use of if you want.
Also, don't forget: The HTML5 standard was written to be as compatible as possible with all the myriad of other HTML dialects that came before it
This is why it accepts strict XML syntax, and lax HTML 4.1 and whatnot syntax.
Again, I'm merely contesting your "HTML will bend the rules for you" and "The HTML parser will fix your mistakes".
Not that HTML is quirky or has room for improvement.
 
I suppose you should fight this with my source...
be careful tho, he calls HTML a programming language
 
4:13 PM
shudders
 
I see my quote was a bit wrong
> HTML: Works even if you don't follow the rules.
CSS: Doesn't work, even if you follow the rules.
JavaScript: Doesn't tell you the rules to begin with.
 
> Next video:
Professor David F. Brailsford vs the world: Why i called HTML a programming language.
 
@Wietlol I mean... that too sounds like someone who's either joking, or very ignorant about all of those languages...
 
> So, where does HTML beat C?
these comments are glorious
 
4:15 PM
Fun fact: Did you know that elephants are born at 100Kg? That makes them the 2nd biggest babies in the world, only after Wietlol arguing other languages. :)
19
 
@MadaraUchiha ofc he is joking...
the part about bending the rules however is from the video itself, and that person sounds rather serious
 
I mean, once you understand the rules of HTML, you realize that the rules aren't bending anywhere
Just because it's forgiving, doesn't mean the rules are flexible.
HTML handles a large case of idiocy very gracefully, but you know what they say about making it idiot proof...
 
Can you guys recommend a book for Angular 7/C# Web API?
In addition, should I be looking into core instead of MVC Web API?
 
@HéctorÁlvarez that is not true!
 
I mean, you can build an ASP.NET Core MVC Web API
These names get out of hand
 
4:19 PM
would that be better
 
blue whales are heavier than elephants at birth
> When born, the blue whale calf is about 23 feet (7 m) long and weighs 5,000 to 6,000 pounds (2,267 to 2,722 kg).
 
I am new at angular and web api in general.
I am looking for best practice
 
BTW, I have a shitton of things to say about HTML, it's just that my experience of the pains of HTML go a bit deeper than a video 😃, those "exception" cases for <p> and <img> are not what really bothers me with HTML as a language.
 
If you're just starting, best go with core
 
dont get me wrong, I am not bothered by them... instead, I think they are nice exceptions
except... when you want to write a html parser
luckily for me, I dont write everything myself
so obviously, I wrote a few html parsers... one even with regex
</sarcasm>
 
4:28 PM
thanks @Squirrelkiller
 
user11867329
Error 477 is not a standard HTTP error code, correct?
 
Correct.
 
user11867329
thx mang
 
4:53 PM
Time to go home, bye bye!
 
Not yet it's not :(
 
V.7
5:29 PM
Hey all ;)
If Window's XAML has <ContentPresenter x:Name="ContentPresenter" Content="{Binding}"></ContentPresenter> and a content of it set to custom UserControl then Window's width is oversized 10 times instead of designed one. Like multiplied. I've tried to make UserControl fixed and auto, but no result.
@LynnCrumbling Already saw this one. THank you, but it requires additional(unofficial) reference which is inacceptable.
The main mission is to make UserControl fill the Window's area
Although, after that it is really interesting how would it be possible to make an event of MouseDown of Border execute method in ViewModel(DataContext) of Window because when trying to set MouseDown property to ICommand it says: System.Windows.Markup.XamlParseException: 'A 'Binding' cannot be set on the 'AddMouseDownHandler' property of type 'Border'. A 'Binding' can only be set on a DependencyProperty of a DependencyObject.
@V.7 Would that be the solution(is that the right way to do that) codeproject.com/Tips/478643/Mouse-Event-Commands-for-MVVM ?
 
 
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7:32 PM
heyo
 
8:22 PM
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@Feeds Shut It!
 
anyone here ever worked with freetexttable in ms sql? Nobody in the sql room seems to ever talk about it
I just want a way for users to search for stuff in a textbox a la google
 
8:43 PM
@AlRey did you try the chatroom on Database Administrators?
 
I'm not a member there x~x
therefore, I don't have enough points to speak in the chats
I'm a member now
 
You don't get the association bonus?
> 34 rep
oh
 
guhhhh this is the only fulltexttable question on that site
5
Q: Full Text Search Term Casing Affects Results

Pandiyan CoolI have been experiencing a full text problem when searching using CONTAINS. I have the full text catalog accent sensitive setting set to false. The table contains following rows: Microsoft C# Microsoft Visual C Microsoft C When I try to get "Microsoft C#" using the following query: select n...

 
What is your question, anyway?
 
eh I don't really have a direct question...just wanting to know if someone could help introduce me to it cause I'm not seeing a whole lotta content out there
it seems fulltexttables work only with views -- which is something I'm gonna struggle with, since the tables I'm working on often have foreign keys and the like
 
8:53 PM
I don't immediately see the relationship between the two
You can make a view using tables with keys
 
idk it's just that for some reason when I did try making views, there was some problem with keys
 
A view is just a saved query that you can treat like a table
 
9:05 PM
Anyone here any good with finite state machines?
AND, wouldn't mind a quick review of a small one I created?
 
Aug 28 '17 at 15:53, by mikeTheLiar
Don't ask if you can ask, it creates an infinite recursive loop. Just ask your question. If someone is around who can help, they will.
Don't ask if you can ask, it creates an infinite recursive loop. Just ask your question. If someone is around who can help, they will.
 
aah the eternal conflict between attempts to be polite and the current etiquette
 
If I ever manage to enforce any level of politeness on this room I will let you know.
 
Its not worked so far
 
@JackSparrow C#
 
9:18 PM
May 5 '16 at 15:17, by BoltClock
THIS ROOM IS OUT OF CONTROL
 
'sup
Oct 25 at 11:52, by Squirrelkiller
PSA: Stop pinging Patrick. There's a real user called Patrick that gets those pings. The bot has to be renamed.
This goes for Jacky over there too
@CaptainSquirrel You gotta rename your bot
Or change the trigger
 
Did someone actually come in here and say as much?
 
Not yet
How long did we have to wait for Patrick though?
 
That's true enough
uno momento porfavor
I need to fix some shit anyway
 
New recruits for our room soon:
 
9:26 PM
Why did we loose caprica?
 
Robert left :(
 
Oct 30 at 13:19, by Madara Uchiha
I cannot. The user running her basically left chat for good.
 
cuz meta drama
 
@JackSparrow learn WhyIsCapGone <>https://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/47711541#47711541
 
9:27 PM
I've learned the command WhyIsCapGone
 
lol
You know, I still really would like some feedback on this FSM. It's been a long time since I had to make one and I basically forgot. So is there a recommended place I can post the pdf I exported it to?
 
No idea, gdrive?
 
@JackSparrow learn test testing
 
I've learned the command test
 
ALso, I expect a state diagram here, you could just upload in image to imgur
 
9:29 PM
@BrandenBoucher do me a favour and say @JackSparrow forget test pls
 
good point
 
Test failed, he's still JackSparrow
 
@JackSparrow forget test
 
Command test has been forgotten
 
god dammit
 
9:30 PM
Oh shit everyone's admin
 
hmm, what else should I tell him to forget
 
yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
Can't tell him anything now
 
@JackSparrow forget forget
 
he's offline
 
hahaha
 
9:30 PM
damnit
 
imma fix some stuff
 
so close
 
@Squirrelkiller, if that had worked...
 
I guess he would have just loaded the last save
 
I'd like to point out that the forget command is hardcoded
and as such, cannot be forgotten
 
9:32 PM
Well that figures. I cant upload to imgur
 
You cannot forget that which is already lost
 
@BrandenBoucher Why?
Also you need to get yourself some greenshot
 
Just because there's another user with the same name, they should not be getting pings unless they're currently in the room.
 
Apparently we have a new policy here at work that says we can only upload to sanctioned cloud storage
 
@MikeTheLiar it happened with patrick
 
9:35 PM
@MikeTheLiar Then why did Patrick get pings?
 
greenshot?
 
You'll have to ask Patrick or Stack Overflow
 
Oct 25 at 11:08, by Patrick
@CaptainSquirrel Well I keep getting notifications with rude comments. Is there anyway I can leave this room and not get notifications anymore?
 
> Is there anyway I can leave this room and not get notifications anymore?
 
aah. greenshot.
 
9:35 PM
There's a "leave" link in the upper right
 
greenshot is an amazing screenshot tool that lets you draw a rectangle on pressing print (if you leave it on the standard setting), and then gives you options to open it in an editor, upload ot imgur, keep it in the clipboard, whatever
 
rgr that
Here's a gdrive link to that pdf of the FSM: drive.google.com/file/d/1QmCxrNzkEEMENUb-kD9DzzUfslmMYtn1/…
 
When I wanna quickly share something here, I'll just press print, draw a rectangle around it, press 'imgur', copy the link and paste it here
 
@Squirrelkiller you know you can just use win+shift+s for a snipping tool right?
 
yes, but that doesnt upload to imgur
 
9:38 PM
@Squirrelkiller, well, that 'imgur' part would still be a problem for me now
 
Also I think I'm the one who told you people about win+shift+s?
 
@Squirrelkiller you can then press ctrl+v in here to upload to imgur
 
oh nice, gotta try that
 
like so
 
9:40 PM
uhh it wont do anything
 
Is that a dark mode? How.
 
in the textbox?
chrome extension
 
Is the Cap'n asleep?
 
ooo. pretty colors
 
9:42 PM
he do be asleep
 
The colors are the first thing I disable FWIW. Way too distracting.
I wonder if Lemon's going to discontinue extension, too, since he doesn't care about us anymore.
 
they are quickly loosing their novelty
 
Riiiiiight...
 
lol are you new here?
 
@JackSparrow are you alive?
 
9:43 PM
I don't understand mate
 
That's been up for, like, a decade
 
I forgot
 
You can add it now Mike
@JackSparrow KieranSpelling
 
Is that even English?
 
OH ARE YOU SHITTING ME
 
I don't understand mate
 
Wanted to check if there's a section on pasting a picture in to the textbox and it getting uploaded to imgur
 
@JackSparrow commands
 
he's ded again
clearly i fucked it even more
 
9:44 PM
@Squirrelkiller that's also from Lemon's extension
 
ohhhh
 
You can paste images from your clipboard and they'll upload to the SO imgur account
 
why do you people just suggest that then as if it were a standard feature
 
oh huh
I thought it was a standard feature
 
9:44 PM
 
I always install the extension tho so
 
It's slow AF though, for what that's worth
Still faster than saving it and uploading the file
 
Haha. I can't upload directly, but I can through here
 
@BrandenBoucher looks like your states need some actual names/descriptions
 
Also if you send a message while it is uploading it doesn't like it
 
9:45 PM
hmmm
 
I have written an web api expecting a named tuple. But if I use js to call the end point with named property it does not work. But it works when I use item1, item2
 
Also if you paste a URL into the upload dialog and press enter, it'll double post.
 
Is there a way to make endpoint accept named property
 
the names in tuples are jsut syntactic sugar
 
@Squirrelkiller, I need names beyond the one's that are underlined? Or do you mean that those are not syntactically correct state names?
 
9:46 PM
hmm
 
Better make a dto
or simply several parameters
 
I expects a named tuple collection
 
@BrandenBoucher I mean they...just describe what just happened. Waiting is a name that describes what your machine is actually doing at the moment. In a vending machine, there might be wait for enough cash, instead of button pressed
@YousufHossain Every named tuple could be a class though
 
Gotcha
 
9:48 PM
Just make an inner class if you dont need it anywhere else
Could even make a struct, that would be a bit more performant in that case
 
If you're that worried about performance, you shouldn't be using C#
 
What was the other thing that went wrong today
 
 
I was just giving ideas, i dont usually work with structs
 
9:53 PM
@Feeds Quiet you!
 
Jack, KieranSpelling
 
11 hours ago, by Captain Squirrel
@CaptainObvious ....ok boomber
 
@Squirrelkiller happy now?
 
He responds to just Jack?
Jack, commands
 
I know the following commands: commands, learn, tell, echo, save, info, forget, ban, unban, c#, kieran, panini, lenny, shrug, KieranSpelling, funfriday, kieran2, Treason, Treason2, treason3, WhyIsCapGone
 
10:03 PM
Oh yes, absolutely :D
 
I like this actually
 
Jack, Treason
 
11 hours ago, by Captain Squirrel
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS
 
Now add some more :D
 
Jack, tell CaptainSquirrel panini
 
Jack do you hear me without a comma?
Jack, do you hear me with a comma?
 
Is that even English?
@MikeTheLiar ...no
 
@CaptainSquirrel this is a good prompt, we should keep it like this
 
He'll still respond to @'s
 
Hey Jack, do you hear me with salutations?
 
10:06 PM
@MikeTheLiar No, Stop using my name wrong >:(
 
lol
ok boomer
 
Jack, off a horse you inconsiderate robot
 
Is that even English?
 
'twas kinda obvious
 
10:07 PM
Shut your mouth
:(
 
I think adding some optional salutations might be a good idea
 
Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiine
 
(Hey|Hi|Okay|Oi) Jack, or whatever
Is there a place to make feature requests?
 
@me on slack
 
I'm just thinking of the way Hey Google works
Jack, tell Captain echo good job mate
 
10:09 PM
 
Sandy also receives commands when you put please before them, you could do that too
 
Jack, Tell MikeTheLiar that's not how that works mate
 
I don't understand mate
 
oh fuck you
 
Jack, tell Mike commands
 
10:10 PM
 
Jack, echo Hello
 
Hello
 
Jack, commands
 
I know the following commands: commands, learn, tell, echo, save, info, forget, ban, unban, c#, kieran, panini, lenny, shrug, KieranSpelling, funfriday, kieran2, Treason, Treason2, treason3, WhyIsCapGone
 
Jack, info tell
 
10:10 PM
@Squirrelkiller Command tell, Created when time first began
 
Jack, tell Mike shrug
 
@Mike [ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯]( ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
 
lol
 
10:11 PM
lol
 
I'll fix that
 
Jack, forget shrug
 
Command shrug has been forgotten
 
excusemewhatthefuck
 
Jack, learn shrug <>¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
 
10:11 PM
I've learned the command shrug
 
Jack, shrug
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
o
that's actually better than the way i did it
i just added \\\\
 
I fucking know it is, I spent a long time getting that right for Caprica, may she rest in peace
 
10:12 PM
Jack, tell Mike shrug
 
@Mike [ <>¯\_(ツ)_/¯]( <>¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
 
Oh now that's interesting
 
sec
Yeah i fucked up the logic
 
Is Jack an instance of Zirak's bot?
 
10:13 PM
Let me test something in the sandbox
 
Jack, save
 
I've saved meself
 
@Squirrelkiller no, he's running c#
 
Oh nice
Ah right I'm actually in your repo lol
 
yes you dumbass lmao
Jack, are you alive?
 
10:14 PM
Is that even English?
 
10:46 PM
Jack, can you hear me in here too?
Jack, Are you alive?
Jack, Say something!!
Jack, are you alive now???
 
Jack, respond to me!
 
....Come Again?
 
woo
11 messages moved to Trash
Jack, test
 
10:53 PM
@BrandenBoucher you still here?
 
Yep
@CaptainSquirrel, what's new?
 
sec, I need you to run something for me
ok, please run this in chat
Jack, forget test
 
Jack, forget test
looks like he no longer thinks I'm an admin
 
Jack, test
 
That's because he hit a breakpoint :P
 
10:56 PM
lol
 
Ok, try again please @BrandenBoucher
 
Jack, forget test
 
@BrandenBoucher There's no command called test, Savvy?
 
Jack, learn test 123
 
10:57 PM
savvy indeed
 
I've learned the command test
 
Jack, forget test
 
Jack, forget test
 
@BrandenBoucher You don't have permission to do that
Command test has been forgotten
 
Jack, please forget test
 
10:58 PM
I don't understand mate
 
Ok, permissions bug has been fixed lmao
 
Jack, forget learn
 
he's dead again
just pushing this update
 
Did he forget test when I told him to because I have the slänt, bröther?
 
ok
Yes bröther, because of your slänt.
 
11:01 PM
Whoops, I switched tabs then switched back and didn't realize I was in the sandbox and was freaking out because neither of us were ROs
 
Doesn't matter
Even if you do it in sandbox, because you own this room it will allow it
 
s l ä n t
 
Jack, learn slänt <>https://i.imgflip.com/38pq7a.jpg
 
I've learned the command slänt
 
Jack, slänt
 
11:03 PM
 
l ä m p
lol
 
11:28 PM
slowpoke
how long ago was that?
 

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