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2:08 PM
 
@Neil funfact if that would happen, the helicopter would crash
 
@Squirrelintraining not if it were rotating
but yeah, if it stayed like that it would go down in a hurry
 
@Neil It wouldn't even be in tahat postition of they wern't rotating
 
*that, *position, *if, *weren't
what is with your spelling today, man?
 
Dude, my brain is dead and such.
 
2:12 PM
for some reason when I try to zoom with pinchgesture (xamarin)
after some ratio it stops
it doesn't zoom nor in or out
 
The rotten core of our backend in the depths of the oldest programm layers had a bug that happend because of recursion and I was looking at my code for like 30 mins trying to find my mistake until i got the seniost of seniors devs to have a check and he found the root of the problem.
 
Eugh. Why are people so retarded
 
He was like wTf himself
 
@Developer00 either memory or thread issues ?
 
10/10 timing on that message
 
2:15 PM
@Sakthivel 0 issues reported
 
OakBot Online.
 
ITS ALIVE
\o
 
o/
 
tf is the javabot doing in here
 
well... its better than an absent caprica
 
2:17 PM
Eh
 
uhh there's some controversy about the Linux foundation forcing "hard left" policies in their newest Code of Conduct?
 
Nonono
 
@JackSparrow report
 
Retarded jack sparrow is here
 
2:17 PM
https://linuxfoundation.org/donate
>100% of donations received to toward funding diversity programs
 
Oak > Jedi Sparrow
 
and people have a problem with this
 
Oak is garbage
 
that means Jedi Sparrow is greater garbage
wait..
. > = less
great garbage > smol garbage ?
 
Depends on if more garbage is better or not
 
2:19 PM
now I finally understand what people mean with USA > Europe
 
I keep coming back to this chat room, so that probably says something
 
THERE'S ONLY ROOM IN THIS CHANNEL FOR ONE OF US @OakBot
3
 
@JackSparrow Type /help to see all my commands.
 
....Come Again?
AND I AINT LEAVING
 
oh this would be glorious
if only Sparrow would respond to oak by reply
 
2:20 PM
Oh boy I want to see JackSparrow and Oakbot getting into a reply loop
 
@Wietlol File System
 
@JackSparrow tell Oakbot panini
 
Like SMB/CIFS
 
@HéctorÁlvarez slowpoke
 
2:20 PM
@JackSparrow tell MikeTheLiar KieranSpelling
 
@Wietlol I eat lunch at that time
 
@MikeTheLiar [ <>https://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/47808284#47808284]( <>https://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/47808284#47808284)
 
oof
 
That looks like a problemo
 
2:21 PM
you eat lunch... for 3 hours?
 
@OakBot go away
 
@CaptainSquirrel Type /help to see all my commands.
 
/help
 
2:21 PM
> My commands are also listed here: github.com/JavaChat/OakBot/wiki/Commands
 
@HéctorÁlvarez Yes definitely
 
/afk lets see how this will unfold
 
@Wietlol Cya later
 
2:22 PM
That didn't make much sense. Did you mean Java?
 
YOU FUCKING WOT
 
/banana
 
@OakBot this means war
 
I think this bot is a perfect replacement.
 
/learn Java That didn't make much sense, did you mean c#?
 
@CaptainSquirrel Saved.
 
heheheheheh
 
/learn ​ break stuff
 
2:23 PM
@MikeTheLiar Tricksy hobbitses. Command names can only contain letters (a-z) and numbers.
 
OH IT'S LIKE THAT, IS IT
 
you have double space
 
I know what I entered
And I do not, in fact, have double spaces
 
/learn break stuff
 
@HéctorÁlvarez Saved.
 
2:24 PM
IDK what you entered
but that character is invisibru to me
 
/groot
 
okay so some guy was banned from going to a Linux event because he wore a Maga hat??
 
Private Event
Your free speech rules do not apply
 
Make Apache Gnu Already?
 
@AlRey didnt some people get banned from blizzcon events too for mocking china
 
2:28 PM
/help
 
> My commands are also listed here: github.com/JavaChat/OakBot/wiki/Commands
 
and the dude who got a price from blizzard but then said something about hong kong...and lost his prize money
well its a private company so whatever
 
/8ball groot
 
yea we all know about that
 
@MikeTheLiar I AM Groot.
 
2:29 PM
doesn't mean it's okay -- especially with how big the Linux community is
it may as well be a government
 
el oh el m8
 
/8ball
 
@MikeTheLiar I AM Groot.
 
Can you go play with the bot thingy in another room? :-\
 
when did this new bot get here?
 
2:29 PM
Good bot.
 
this is the java chatroom bot I think
/cat
 
wait does this give random cats
or just a cat
 
Yes.
 
damn
 
user11867329
2:31 PM
o/
 
I am Groot!
 
user11867329
Whats the best way to prepare a WinImage to deploy corpo
Symantec Ghost still a thing?
 
He's speaking the language of the Gods
 
oh no, people have used groot
 
@Wietlol you brought this curse upon our land
Reap what you have sown.
 
user11867329
2:34 PM
How do I image
 
We must cast out this demon!
 
@OakDev what exactly do you need to do? Generate an image?
 
oh dear lol
meet my friends tree and rabbit
 
OakDev, did you make OakBot?
 
user11867329
@MikeTheLiar I need to have a Windows Image. Ready to deploy on new computers or faulty computers at work.
 
2:37 PM
@Wietlol You think the guy with the same name as the bot, who showed up 3 minutes after we started abusing it might be affiliated with the same?
 
user11867329
You know, instead of installing generic Win10 + softwares
 
@MikeTheLiar obviously
as soon as he noticed the abuse in the logging, he came here to ask for solutions to stop people abusing the bot
 
user11867329
Also, I have 0 affiliations with OakBot, unfortunately.
 
he is a clever tree
 
@OakDev you want to do with programmatically with C# or are you just asking for general input?
 
user11867329
2:39 PM
General Input.
 
Gotcha.
 
user11867329
Like with Symantec Ghost back in '10
 
I assume you've already seen this? docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/…
 
@Oakdev It depends, but this room is far from the best place to ask about it
 
user11867329
@MikeTheLiar Taking a look as we speak.

No open-source software?
 
user11867329
2:43 PM
@CaptainObvious Yeah, are you sure though?
 
If you've got a WDS server, I'd suggest using sysprep
If not, I like using Macrium Reflect
 
user11867329
Is it possible without a "Server" dedicated for that?
 
@OakDev I don't really know, I'm just doing my duty as a rubber duck with a connection to Google
 
user11867329
Macrium is pay :(
 
user11867329
2:45 PM
CloneZilla
 
user11867329
Jesus, how could I forget that
 
You're asking for something which has practically no use outside of a commercial setting
 
user11867329
Don't say that, who doesn't like to snapshot their PC
 
user11867329
Especially if not encrypted
 
I
I dont like snapshots of my PC
 
2:47 PM
Snapshotting your PC, sure
Snapshitting for deployment, nah
 
I wouldnt do snapshitting either
 
Even taking a snapshit on its own isn't exactly desireable
 
/urban snapshit
 
@MikeTheLiar I am Groooot! I am Groot. I AM Groot. I'm Groot... I am Groot.
 
rofl
/groot
/urban snapshit
 
2:48 PM
@MikeTheLiar Snapshit: A disappearing message of one's own poo, usually sent at a strategic time, such as before a job interview or on a birthday.
 
/groot
 
I took one before I wiped my PC in August and I now have a 133gb image which I've looked at twice.
 
I'd hope you wiped after a snapshit
 
user11867329
Ok but... how does it work with different computers with different specs
 
ofc I wipe after a snapshit
I wipe the floor with you
 
2:50 PM
Where I work (using Macrium refelct) we just installed everything on a PC installed the normal way, took the snapshot, and then apply it every time we do a new deplomyner
We tend to do a new image about once a year, the last one we did in September
 
._.
 
we have scripts to set up machines to be how we want them
 
Windows (since Windows 8) doesn't completely shit the bed on boot if the hardware changes form what it originally had
 
Windows 7 did that?
 
2:52 PM
Nah, that hasn't been a problem since XP
 
@CaptainObvious I'm so happy that phrase is seeing common use.
 
It depends how much hardware changed
@JonathonChase What w
 
@JonathonChase "Yes?"
 
user11867329
@CaptainObvious but... does that work on different computers?
 
'shit the bed'
 
2:52 PM
I'm also glad that "Yes" is regularly being used
 
user11867329
I mean... different drivers and all
 
Every Win 7 computer I built I loaded enough drivers to get the internet working and then let Windows handle the rest of it
 
Shit the bed has been around for years
 
A number of problems I solved by deleting the manufacturer's driver and letting Windows install a new one
@CaptainObvious shit the bed is highly regional
I've never heard it outside the northeast
 
@MikeTheLiar Sure, but if you took out the hard drive and put it in another PC with a completely different hardware config its highly unlikely it would boot successfully
 
user11867329
2:53 PM
@MikeTheLiar Is there a way to exclude useless drivers from the image?
 
user11867329
Or would I need to manually uninstall the useless ones after restore
 
Also I'm in the northwest so I have heard it outside the northeast
 
user11867329
@CaptainObvious Thats what I'm saying
 
@OakDev no clue.
 
But from Windows 8 I've only ever had issues if the boot order was fucked, but otherwise Windows has always booted fine. Sure it would take 15 miuntes or so to grab drivers from Windows update
 
2:55 PM
@CaptainObvious Mike is also american
 
user11867329
@CaptainObvious Which software did you use?
 
Macrium reflect
It's not even expensive, and is free (to a point) even for commercial use
Not sure what parts of it that includes though
 
user11867329
CloneZilla's asking for CPU Arch but there's only amd64
 
user11867329
and i686
 
user11867329
3:04 PM
is i686 intel 64-32?
 
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@Feeds Quiet you!
 
Really?
That's only just being announced
Even though its been live for weeks???
 
How do I fix a compilation error in my cshtml that only appears when the view tries to load?
 
Sounds like you've got a runtime issue
Are you sure everything is correct in your view?
 
3:13 PM
and I uninstalled discord AGAIN xD
this time I'm not even telling my friend where I've gone....mostly cause I feel like half of them are angry with me
 
@CaptainSquirrel i just cut the line it was complaining about, pasted it and now it works
 
@OakDev No, amd64 is the one you want
 
user11867329
amd64 is standard for most boxes?
 
user11867329
I love how CloneZilla's TuxBoot recommended USB boot software... last update 2014
 
i686 is for 32bit devices, but who has 32bit devices anymore
 
3:16 PM
@CaptainObvious meeeeee
 
Very confused by their choice to name it i686 instead of i386 which is the conventional way of referring to 32bit
 
nah but srsly I know a lot of businesses that still use em
 
[citation needed]
my laptop from 12 years ago was 64bit
 
they're going out of style, but the Y2K38 bug could still be an issue if they don't go out of style quicker
 
@CaptainObvious what makes you say that i386 "means" 32 bit?
 
3:17 PM
The Intel 80386, also known as i386 or just 386, is a 32-bit microprocessor introduced in 1985. The first versions had 275,000 transistors and were the CPU of many workstations and high-end personal computers of the time. As the original implementation of the 32-bit extension of the 80286 architecture, the 80386 instruction set, programming model, and binary encodings are still the common denominator for all 32-bit x86 processors, which is termed the i386-architecture, x86, or IA-32, depending on context. The 32-bit 80386 can correctly execute most code intended for the earlier 16-bit processors...
 
it doesn't really give any indicator of how many bits, it's just the chip name
 
It's the original 32-bit intel x86 processor
 
386 doesn't indicate "32 bits" anymore than 486 does
 
if it's got "86" in it, it's prolly 32
 
it's just the name of the cpu that supported 32 bits
 
3:19 PM
It's the name of the first one
 
lets stop this 32-bit vs 64-bit nonsense
 
user11867329
capt is right, stop arguing
 
lets solve it using 48-bits
 
Like how 64-bit arch is usually called AMD64
Because AMD extended x86 to 64bit first
 
if you want to specify 64 bit architecture, you write 64 bit architecture
 
3:21 PM
x86_64 would like a word
 
the sex pistols defined punk rock, but that doesn't mean when I want to refer to punk rock, I have to call it the "sex pistols" type band
 
Tell that to developers of software for both architectures
 
64 bits :D
32 bits :)
16 bits :|
8 bits :(
4 bits!! >:(
2 BITS!!! >.<
1 BIT!!!! >O<
HALF BIT!!! OoO
QUARTER BIT!!!!! O_O
-gaaasp-
THEEEE WRIIIIIIST GAAAAAAAAMEEEE!! ୧༼ಠ益ಠ༽୨
 
I don't have to.
 
@JonathonChase Comes up fairly often, but not as often as amd64. At least it didn't a few years ago, maybe it's more common now
 
3:22 PM
they're free to call it whatever they wish. In the meantime, I'll be referring to 32-bit architecture as 32-bit architecture
 
@CaptainObvious I should pay more attention to the architecture notes on my arch installation.
 
I'm really not sure why you're arguing the toss. I'm just stating the commonly used nomenclature for 32 and 64 bit systems
 
i686/x86_64 are common ones I see for 32/64
 
I often dont know what you are arguing about either... I'm just stating that Kotlin is better than C#
hides in bunker
 
Until before I'd never even seen i686
 
3:25 PM
maybe it's fallen out of vogue
 
you seemed to suggest that 32-bit is synonymous with x86
 
In terms of mainstream software, it is
By far the most popular notation at least used to be i386 for 32-bit and amd64 for 64-bit
 
well clearly intel has 64-bit architecture. You don't feel it's incorrect to be calling it amd64?
 
No, because intel licensed the 64-bit tech from AMD
 
@WhatsThePoint oh boy, its one of those
 
3:27 PM
They have then iterated on it enough to call it Intel64 I believe, but that name is very rarely used
 
10 mins ago, by Wietlol
lets stop this 32-bit vs 64-bit nonsense
 
Yes, just write JavaScript and don't worry about architectures.
 
12 mins ago, by Wietlol
lets solve it using 48-bits
When you write HTML, it will bend the rules if you dont follow them.
When you write CSS, it will punish you for not following the rules.
When you write JavaScript, you will be provided by the rules at runtime.
 
yeah compromise!
 
write code dynamically
 
3:37 PM
Using dynamic, truly the best thing in C#
And I have unironically used it multiple times
 
Hah, noobs. I've been dealing all day long with some dude who keeps failing at his task over and over again.
 
when I write dynamic in C#, I start over
 
Build your expression trees by hand.
Use the Roslyn API to manually construct the AST and then compile that.
 
that project is doomed at that moment
why dont you write CIL then?
 
Type safety is a crutch. Live the free dynamic life.
 
3:39 PM
The 2 times I've used dynamic were when I was working with reflection
 
> What rules? ~JavaScript
 
Because the parent class of PropertyInfo and FieldInfo, which both expose GetValue and SetValue methods with the same signature does not itself expose those methods
 
it was a comment on a video about HTML vs C
where in HTML, the parser will fix your mistakes of not closing tags or nested <p> tags, etc
and C will just reject it because it is ambiguous
 
build an abstract adapter class that exposes that method and has implicit conversions from both PropertyInfo and FieldInfo to private implementations of said adapter
 
quite an interesting video... even more interesting comments
 
3:42 PM
bam, unified operations
 
Html does not fix your mistakes, HTML punlishes you
 
HTML punishes you if you try to use it for anything
but it will fix your mistakes of not closing <br/> tags or <img/> tags
 
@JonathonChase Or just use dynamic and watch as your compile errors disappear, and become runtime errors instead
Html will punish you unless your browser is "helpful" and will "fix" your fuckups
 
@Wietlol HTML punishes you severely.
@Wietlol That's because you don't know how self-closing tags work.
The so-called self-closing slash is considered whitespace in HTML5
 
html treats <br> as <br/>
and <img> as <img/>
 
3:45 PM
That's because they can work on their own
 
That is because <br> and <img> are intrinsically self-closing
 
and <p><p> as <p></p><p></p>
 
And <br></br> is an error.
 
My most favorite self closing tag is a <div>
 
@Wietlol That's a special rule of HTML, that also works with <li>, but not with <div>
 
3:46 PM
<title/> is also an error
for some reason
 
Because if you don't have a closing </div>, you are in for a world of pain
 
HAHA
NICE TYR
fuck
 
@Wietlol Again, because you don't understand how self-closing tags work and are not listening, and keep spewing nonsense.
 
1 message moved to Trash
what was that @CaptainObvious?
 
3:47 PM
wait
 
An HTML tag can be either self-closing or not. This is a property of the tag itself, not of anything you write. <br> and <img> are self closing tags. <script> and <div> are not.
 
ah fuck
 
> <script> and <div> are not.
Not with that attitude
 
<br> and <br/> are equivalent, because the / is considered whitespace. It is merely ignored, in favor of those who are used to writing more XML-like versions of HTML.
It has literally no effect.
 
You can have a <div/> but it doens't have much practical use
 
3:48 PM
This is why you must have <script src="whatever"></script> and not <script src="whatever" />
Because you will have an unclosed <script> tag and everything will be FUBAR
 
@MadaraUchiha html is a tag based document definition language... just like xml... except it changes the rules of its syntax to try to make stuff easier
 
As for your comment on <p><p>. There is a special class of HTML tags that can be implicitly closed by encountering another opening tag of the same type.
<p> is such a tag, so is <li>
<div>, however, is not.
 
Wiet you should give up
 
<div>hello<div>hello is two nested divs
@Wietlol html does not change the rules.
You don't understand the rules, and so they seem random to you
 
user11867329
Can someone pass me a USB key real quick?
 
3:50 PM
Here
 
If you're going to argue how weird and quirky a technology is, at least make an effort to understand the actual quirks and how they work.
 
user11867329
@CaptainObvious thx
 
I can argue that making <p><p> the equivalent of <p></p><p></p> is a stupid decision
But not that it's random or arbitrary.
Because it's neither.
Nor is it up to the browser, or your writing style, or whatever
 
Next he'll start spewing more random shit like "Kotlin is better than C#"
 
Pretty much everyone today uses HTML5, and HTML5 has a specification and a standard that pretty much everyone adheres to.
 
3:52 PM
HAH
 
@MadaraUchiha html changes the rules so that p and br and li are auto closing
 
> specification and a standard that pretty much everyone adheres to.
 
I am not sure where that is any different from your statements
 
3:52 PM
Your amount of faith in developers is disturbing
 
@Wietlol That's like saying "C# changes the rules so that var is a special keyword"
No, var is a special keyword in C#.
Those are the rules
Nobody "changes" them to make it so.
 
var is no exception to the default tho
 
That's literally the language.
@Wietlol I don't understand what that sentence means.
Of course it does, var can't be an identifier, and if I'm wrong and var can be an identifier, consider any other reserved keyword that's not context sensitive that cannot be an identifier
And that is your exception to the rule.
 
well, in a language, you define its structure
in C#, that is composed of keywords, a set of symbols, identifiers, numbers, etc
 
Wikipedia has a very helpful gif of how to tie a hangmans's knot
 
3:54 PM
Want an exceptionless language? Go write Lisp
 
in html, it is composed of tags, attribute, text and some weird shit at the top that almost noone understands
 
@Wietlol Dude, you don't get to call a language you know, pardon my french, jack shit about, "weird"
Get learnt, then complain
 
Interestingly with a filename full of cyrillic characters
 
im not complaining tho
 
3:56 PM
No, I apologize, you said that in HTML the "parser will fix your mistakes"
And I told you that that statement is false.
 
ok
 
The HTML parser will not fix your mistakes. It will behave in the way the standards say it should behave.
 
Also in no language do the rules "change"
 
The default, by the way, it to close outstanding tags, that's true. But never where you expect them to be closed.
 
Just that some languages will have allowance for people doing stupid shit
 
3:57 PM
<div><img> is equivalent to <div><img></div>, even though it's bad practice to do so, and an HTML validator will complain
But this is a per-spec behavior. A spec abiding parser needs to be able to do this, and predictably.
 
Bonus confusion for non-spec-compliant browsers rendering things wrong because they were written wrong
 
would <div><p><img> be equivalent to <div><p><img></p></div>?
I need to go read the spec
 
@JonathonChase Yup
@CaptainObvious That's thankfully mostly a thing of the past.
 

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