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10:01 AM
my eyes have the itch of a thousand itches
hep
 
Scratch 'em out.
 
flutter is kind of similar to xamarin
unironically
 
i really wish i could
 
But how can I create a sort of ecommerce app without sqlite or other stuff
 
except the state management
 
10:06 AM
inb4 hayfever
 
So, on PhoneGap I should create webpages on server that will then be displayed on the app?
How can I access to data if they are completely detached insted?
 
mr5
@misha130 except it's fast in Android
@Developer00 internet
@Patrick learn hungry
 
what am I suppose to learn?
 
mr5
hungry you idiot
 
10:10 AM
@mr5 IS XAMARIN OBSOLETE
 
I'm not understanding
 
DID GOOGLE BEAT MICROSOFT FINALLY
 
How does PhoneGap actually work
 
phonegap basically is the proxy between the native phone interface and the javascript
 
mr5
for low end devices, Xamarin Forms is still slow. To be fair, Xamarin.Android is fast though
 
10:10 AM
using plugins
in general phonegap or cordova creates a simple android or ios project that is like a template and puts a webview inside of each
the webview basically displays an html page and runs the scripts you made
 
mr5
@Developer00 it's like you're writing in html for phones but you also have access to device's components like GPS, Bluetooth, Flashlight, Vibration, etc...
 
downsides of such: can't run any background services. can't run anything while javascript isn't fully loaded
also slow
also obviously its not fully reliable since iOS has one type of webview and android another so they will have a different understanding of css
and different understanding of js
 
mr5
you can actually modify the internal MainActivity, inject Services, etc.. basically, you still have full access to native development but it's not PhoneGap though
 
@Patrick haha
 
Ughh...
 
10:13 AM
uuuughh
 
What's the best solution for an ecommerce app?
 
you little dummy
 
@Developer00 your app should be a view, not a system
 
@Developer00 just like make an app
who cares whats the best
 
you set up a server, that server can have something like a web service
that web service will be your e-commerce application
then, you create a mobile app that uses the api of that web service
 
10:14 AM
How does it pass data?
like
via json
?
 
mr5
I still don't understand what an e-commerce is
 
for example
I use my own format
but json is pretty commonly used
 
ebay is ecommerce
 
So
the ideal would be:
create an app that only has an UI
 
mr5
eBay sells stuff, so everything that sells stuff is an e-commerce?
 
10:16 AM
well its commerce aint it?
 
The code is written (in my case) in aspx.cs on the server
 
have you heard the good word of grpc?
 
And from the app I call services that return me the data I need
 
mr5
I actually don't know the definition of commerce ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
yep
 
10:16 AM
Right?
 
mr5
@Patrick learn shrug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
It would save me lots of time
 
@mr5 haha! what does shrug mean?
 
And effort
 
mr5
@Patrick shrug
 
10:17 AM
¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
it would certainly make most things easier
 
mr5
oh no it's broken
@Patrick learn shrug ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@mr5 haha! what does shrug mean?
 
So I'd be creating just a couple of html pages
 
mr5
@Patrick shrug
 
10:17 AM
with their css
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
mr5
there
 
and some js
 
I wouldnt create html pages tho
 
@Patrick learn slashes \n\r\t\\\
 
10:18 AM
@misha130 haha! what does slashes mean?
 
but I have a certain hate against document based ui
 
@Patrick slashes
 
\n\r\t\\\
 
well, pages that look like html
 
let me get some coffee first
 
10:18 AM
ALRIGHT
 
you can write the entire system in the web service
then you can build an app that is basically a user interface for that system
 
But PhoneGap doesn't have a compiler, does it?
 
why should phonegap have a compiler?
 
@Wietlol with what language?
@Wietlol ofc it doesn't have code in it
 
10:19 AM
phonegap does have a "compiler"
 
sorry for my silly questions
 
phonegap has a build process
that must be done each time you make changes
 
But is phonegap safe?
I mean, it has to communicate with server
 
mr5
no one is safe
including @Patrick right?
 
"phonegap" (probably should say cordova) is just like any android or ios safe
 
10:21 AM
Or even, does it work with offline?
 
it works with offline
 
How?
 
@Hans1984 I didn't know silvester was a programmr
 
mr5
if you're choosing which platform to use for mobile dev, and want a definitive and comprehensive answer, you should be reading blogposts imo
 
different ways you can make your cordova/phonegap app offline. Sqlite, a manifesto, service workers
 
10:23 AM
@Developer00 whatever you choose
 
indexeddb
 
Well, you're right but those are generic answers
 
mr5
every release of XF creates a bug that doesn't show up before
 
I've been think a lot about passing from xamarin to native lately
 
@Developer00 it works offline, but when you want to connect to a web service or database, you do need a connection of some sorts
 
10:24 AM
cordova/phonegap apps are PWA (progressive web apps)
so a bunch of stuff like that
 
if your app simply displays text and stores local stuff, it can work offline
 
mr5
development becomes very daunting
 
But if phonegap is worth
 
but that is irrelevant for your case
 
I might give it a try
 
10:25 AM
@Squirrelintraining he is.
 
mr5
take note that PhoneGap is way way way slower compared to Xamarin Forms
 
Even if the app doesn't have any elaboration in it?
 
look here mate
here is a cordova app
 
mr5
In terms of speed and efficiency, Xamarin.Android for Android is okay. Xamarin.Forms and Xamarin.iOS for iOS is okay.
 
you can clone it launch it see whats it about
if it fits you, go for it
use the template even
 
10:27 AM
in terms of speed, you shouldnt care
 
I'll try after lunch
 
cordova or phonegap should work like a browser
if you can make a website that runs fine, you can make an app that runs fine
cordova/phonegap should even be more performant than a browser
since you can create the app with a set of local resources
 
jesus christ that is just not true
 
which the browser doesnt come with
 
there are limitations because of the webviews that cordova offers
 
10:28 AM
It looks like it's way way easier than xamarin
 
mr5
@Wietlol oh really?
 
why isn't cordova widly known?
 
mr5
oh well, I understand you don't encounter low end devices too often
 
@mr5 assuming you can make a website that runs fine
 
Or maybe it's just that I didn't know it
 
10:29 AM
low end devices?
 
mr5
yep
 
In terms of elaboration
What should the app do
just get data, pick images and display them
well but no
I need to move or replace images
It has to be done via js
and send those data back to the server
 
via the libraries that cordova/phonegap provides you can get access to the gallery
 
Won't those cause the app to run slower?
 
sure will
same for every other moment you add code
 
10:32 AM
What about the elaboration with images
 
elaboration?
 
@mr5 haha! what does shrug mean?
 
move, stretch, add text, place it...
Can it be done on the app
 
there is a plugin for that
 
10:33 AM
that stuff is something you should write
 
really?
 
I dont think there is someone that made exactly what you need
 
Is it possible with plain js?
 
here you go the full list of plugins
 
10:34 AM
@misha130 Thanks
 
sure, you can use JS for it
 
So I need to pick one or more images from the gallery
Display them
interact with them
get the offset of the position, the zoom
 
if you want to use plain js then you probably need to go for react or something
 
Is react more viable?
 
react is a ui framework
 
10:37 AM
dude its all the same
 
js is a programming language
they arent comparable
 
Oh
Sorry
Got it
 
ionic is a ui framework for cordova that uses angular as a base framework that uses typescript as a language
 
you could also try react native
could be interesting
I havent tried it because it is a bit difficult to make it work with kotlin instead of js
 
I'm not really good at programming I think
 
10:38 AM
you are just new
 
mr5
PhoneGap/Cordova
Ionic
ReactNative

^ write in any platform you want and implement PWA and convert the code in WASM
 
I do my best, obviously
 
no one is good at programming
 
I would be amazed if new people are already good with things they have yet to learn
 
go play with spongebob @Patrick
 
10:39 AM
Damn, I feel so abandoned in the company
2 months into programming and lots of expectations on me
I'm afraid I'll disappoint everyone here
 
mr5
@Hans1984 I think I should use .includes instead of .startsWith for Patrick
 
okay
 
mr5
@Patrick list annoying users
 
name: Squidward, score: 1
name: Mr. Krabs, score: 1
name: Sandy, score: 1
name: Harry, score: 1
 
@Developer00 don't be afraid of failure
 
10:41 AM
Well, I could be fired if I fail
 
mr5
@Squirrelkiller would you please vote for Harry as annoying user?
type '@Patrick add annoying user Harry'
 
@Patrick add annoying user Harry
 
Ughh...
 
@Patrick add annoying user Harry
 
then you get a new job
jobs come and go
 
10:42 AM
Sure why not
 
@Patrick list annoying users
 
@Patrick are you ignoring me?
 
name: Squidward, score: 1
name: Mr. Krabs, score: 1
name: Sandy, score: 1
name: Harry, score: 1
Ughh...
 
@Hans1984 Where I leave it's kinda difficult to find a job in IT
 
@Patrick add annoying user Harry
 
10:43 AM
There are few companies
 
HE DIDN'T EVEN ADD A SCORE
@mr5 your bot is bork
 
I'd have to move in bigger cities
 
mr5
sorry it was '@Patrick vote annoying user Harry'
 
I see myself as a mercenary in this work world
 
REEE
@Patrick vote annoying user Harry
 
10:43 AM
And leave here my family, my loved ones, my friends...
 
one day I work here one day I ll work there
 
@Harry Captain Squirrel voted you as annoying user.
 
It'll be difficult
for me, of course
 
@Developer00 well if this job is important to you all you can do is try your best right ?
 
@Squirrelkiller fix your vote
 
10:44 AM
what
why
im just minding my own business
 
Sup guys
 
@Patrick vote rat Captain Squirrel
 
Ughh...
 
@Hans1984 I am
I just hope it's enough
 
see he doesn't even want to deal with you kieran
 
10:51 AM
Anyone seen the issue in VS 2017 where you use IIS Express and then once you close it the entire VS stops you from editing files, says there is an exception that occured and you can find it in log file
 
@anand_v.singh hammer time!
 
https://developercommunity.visualstudio.com/content/problem/99397/visual-studio-2017-153-crashes-loading-solution.html
This link is the log
@Patrick I don't get hammered during my work day Good sir
 
Ughh...
 
if you say stop in any place of the sentence, will patrick respond?
 
@Wietlol hammer time!
 
10:53 AM
@mr5 I guess this has to stop
 
@Patrick haha
 
Ughh...
 
this needs to stop
 
@Hans1984 hammer time!
 
no it's stop
 
10:53 AM
it has a timeout per user?
 
please stop this
 
@Harry hammer time!
 
we cant stop him
 
@Hans1984 hammer time!
 
fix that pls
 
10:54 AM
Harry the bug is upset now
 
hes un stop able
 
Now we have to do smehting
 
anyway
 
@anand_v.singh you people come in here and just call me a bug with no thought? i'm a RADROACH
 
Hey @Hans1984 you faced that issue
 
10:55 AM
what issue ?
 
@Harry Still a newspaper smack from being dead
 
i'm irradiated
buzz buzz
 
hes a strong roach he will throw that newspaper back in your face
 
then hide under the kitchen sink so you ll never get him
No, I have not
 
10:56 AM
My broken leg has a metal boot, I will crush him
@Hans1984 (Sighs) My hopes are lost
Well no issues I guess this is hammer time now, time to hammer that system and tell IT it broke
 
ALL HOPES ARE LOST
save us @Patrick
this lil fcker
fell asleep
 
@Patrick Nice
 
Ughh...
 
Fuckers back
 
hes not beeing very helpfull
turns @Patrick upside down
 

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