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9:01 AM
!!learn c#slack "Send an email with some identifying information to coctothorpecastle@gmail.com"
!!are you alive
!!do it
******* **** sorry safespace
 
I don't think Cap survived the room freeze.
 
uhhh
dunno
Nah she's dead in all the rooms atm
 
Even saying "I've had a shitty day" is something I'd reserve for IRC wait...this isn't IRC?
 
We're not swearing in here anymore :)
 
I always thought this was an IRC channel...
 
9:06 AM
I think the question raises a good point though
the language in here is really bad
it's not exactly professional
 
We're anonymous why would we need to be professional
Anyway
 
@Darth_Wardy it's a chat channel. Of course it's not professional.
 
Offline discussion
This room is no longer for off-topic :D
 
So you're saying you can't be professional because you are in a chat room?
that's rediculous
 
That's not what he's saying, it's not what I'm saying.
 
9:08 AM
Even though I sometimes felt the language to be too bad in here, I generally think it's okay as it's a chat...people are, in general, more prone to stupid in chats.
 
@Sippy friday after the freeze, it worked
 
@Darth_Wardy you can but then why be in a chat room?
 
@ntohl Yeah it was working 4 hours ago
@SteffenWinkler Please don't start this up again
 
I come here to discuss C# stuff generally ... I don't need the profanity
 
okok @Sippy
 
9:09 AM
Saying that there are just two options - either professional or profanity - is a false dichotomy.
But yeah, it's just a rehash.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan in general that's probably true ... in here I doubt that though
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan that's exactly what I wanted to say. Chat is a grey area. But the mods say it has to always be professional.
 
I watch my language usually. And for the sake of a place, where C# can be discussed, we all should do the same.
 
People who still wanna have fun with the friends they've made here can join our off-topic chatroom we've created elsewhere. This room is staying calm now.
 
@SteffenWinkler No, I disagree. Mods say it shouldn't have profanity, not that it has to be professional.
 
9:11 AM
@Sippy link?
 
It's an invite only Slack.
 
Honestly, I am here to help people, talk with like-minded people and occasionally vent my frustration that I cannot do elsewhere. If I can't do that, because I have to be "professional" all the time, nor can I tell someone they are doing something stupid, then this place would hold no meaning to me anymore.
 
We can be relaxed and loose and friendly and still avoid profanity. Quite easily, too.
 
Would you like an invitation?
 
Send me an invite too. :-)
 
9:12 AM
@Sippy uh, yeah?
 
invite me too
 
@Sippy slack = lifes answer to problem no one had
I don't even get why it exists
 
The point of the slack isn't to split everyone up, but when we have conversations that are gonna get people banned here or cause stupid drama then we might as well have another chatroom where we won't face repercussions
@Darth_Wardy It's worth 2.8bn and makes $30m/yr
Lots of people have a problem that slack solves. Slack ain't cheap, either.
 
@RoelvanUden This is exactly the false dichotomy. Are you saying that one can't vent frustration without profanity?
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan yes. Well at least that's my opinion
 
9:14 AM
@SteffenWinkler Well, I disagree. And I think you're severely underestimating the ability of people to communicate.
 
well. If You hit Your finger with a hammer, the first thing You do is swear
 
If you vent you use words like 'sh*t' or 'f*ck*ng' like f\*ck this WPF sh\*t or 'stupid'
 
@SteffenWinkler Well, I don't. I say "WPF is stupid and annoying".
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan No, I can't. Can I tell someone they are doing a stupid thing with nice words and glossing it over? No. They won't get it. Similarly, if I vent, I'm not nice. I'm complaining about something and to properly express how much something bothers me, yeah, I'll use curse words.
 
@Roel @Steffen can you send an email to coctothorpecastle@gmail.com please
 
9:15 AM
Can I get an invite @Sippy? :(
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan that'd still be profanity (stupid) and get you banned or at least the message deleted. Because somebody somewhere could be offended by it. For example a WPF developer
 
Do I have to pay for a slack account?
 
@Sippy Done :-)
 
@SteffenWinkler No, it won't. This (and @Roel's) comment is completely missing the point.
 
@Sippy meh ... it makes money for sure ... but that's not the point I was making
 
9:16 AM
Its free @scheien
 
@SteffenWinkler Saying "Don't use profanity" isn't saying "always be nice even if fake" .
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan uh yes it will. Read the mods stand on it. They say that as soon as someone could feel offended by something it's bannable.
 
1 min ago, by Sippy
@Roel @Steffen can you send an email to coctothorpecastle@gmail.com please
 
I do enough fake nice offline thank you very much
 
@SteffenWinkler No, sorry, that's really now what any of the meta answers said.
 
9:16 AM
Actually, no, I don't.
I realize I curse and shit here too.
And nobody gives a damn
 
That's a kneejerk reaction - "I have to be able to say EVERYTHING or else it's the same as not being able to say ANYTHING".
 
@RoelvanUden that's the problem
there are reasonable limits this room seems to ignore
 
@RoelvanUden Well, some people give a damn. They're the mods, and the owners, and maybe silent lurkers, or would-be lurkers.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan f you post something that offends them they have the right to flag that. From be nice: Inappropriate language or attention. Avoid vulgar terms and anything sexually suggestive. Also, this is not a dating site.
 
@Sippy Sent an email
 
9:17 AM
I'm in SO's house, I'm perfectly willing to give up a TINY LITTLE BIT to play by their rules.
 
@MaartenWachters oh great, thanks.
 
remove dependency between two classes using ninject
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan exactly the point i am making bt apparently badly
 
calling someone stupid can be interpreted as an offense. Thus flagable/bannable.
 
Tell me honestly, does my way of talking bother either of you, @Darth_Wardy, @AvnerShahar-Kashtan?
I think I'm generally nice.
Just not always.
 
9:18 AM
@RoelvanUden Most of the time it doesn't.
 
@RoelvanUden generally no ... but its worth being mindful of others
 
I like people who doesn't try to hide who they are.
I'd rather be hated for who I am, or than loved/liked for someone I'm not.
 
^ This is why I only have a few friends :D
 
True friends like you for who you are :)
Even with the defects.
 
@scheien Again, that's irrelevant. There are social contexts. It's not about being liked, it's about setting a social baseline, one that's hardly prudish or overly conservative, for people to adhere too in this social context.
 
9:20 AM
@Roel @Steffen @Maarten invites sent :)
 
Rav
i think profanity is fine as long as it isn't excessive
 
@Sippy thank you very much
 
@scheien Because remember that this place isn't just hanging with friends. It's hanging out with strangers too, and with employers and employees, with a wide variety of people, under SO's umbrella.
Saying "this is my place, not theirs, so I can speak as I want" ignores the fact that it isn't, actually, your place. Nor mine.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan you are right, and I'm not debating that.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan that's not what any of us are saying. At least I don't think that's what any of use want to say.
 
9:22 AM
At the end of the day, and I'm gonna try and end this conversation here, SO has made it very clear that it doesn't matter how we interpret the rules. The rules are no vulgarity, vulgarity can be interpreted differently by different people, and as long as a mod acts against a member under their beliefs relating to vulgarity, they will be backed up by the community of members and moderators.
That leaves you all with one choice and that is to act professionally on SO.
 
more like 'language should be used to express oneself as long as it's not NSFW/NSFL or one large accumulation of profanity'
 
@Sippy or leave
 
Or leave if you so prefer.
 
You can call someone stupid and still be professional about it.
 
I don't prefer that, so I'm gonna use SO and slack :)
 
9:23 AM
haha, this is SO. We can't function without this large community.
 
And I appreciate some people don't need or want to leave this chatroom so we're not splitting up, Slack is just a place for the people who have made friends here to have discussions that can't be had here.
 
I haven't made any friends here though
 
I have :)
 
Sure you have.
 
@SteffenWinkler Well, the examples brought up in the meta post (I wasn't around for the actual drama itself) were definitely NSFW/NSFL/contained profanity, even by most liberal standards. I don't think the room is usually like that, and maybe freezing was overkill, but that only lasted an hour while things were resovled.
No-one ever banned a user and froze a room just because he wasn't nice and used the word "stupid".
The rules are vague because you can't really make a blacklist of "bad words". But I trust SO's system enough that if a mod goes on a ban-spree for people using "screw" or "stupid", there are enough other mods to put him in his place.
 
9:27 AM
@scheien you my little toothless fanatic ;)
 
:)
I feel that people get offended by anything these days.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan I actually think the freezing was justified as it got more and more out of control and people needed to cool down.
 
@scheien flagged (joke of course)
 
:D
 
@scheien that's offensive to me ;)
 
9:29 AM
@SteffenWinkler yeh, I was like you not there at the time but I read back through it all and was like ... probably about time tbh
 
Stop bullying scheien please
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan okay then. Let's drop this. I'm still unsure about this, but I guess we'll see soon enough ;)
 
He is my friend and my dad owns stackoverflow
 
lol
 
haha
 
9:29 AM
So I'd watch out or #banned
 
Free armbar coming up
 
@Darth_Wardy oh I was there. Was pretty amusing/popcornish
 
@MaartenWachters is your dad Jon Skeet ?
@SteffenWinkler lol ok
 
so are we doing a side chat room?
 
Don't know if he is much Jon but he's a lot of Skeet
 
9:30 AM
can I get invite?
 
Do you think he likes Skittles?
or Skeetles?
 
@SteffenWinkler Back to our regularly scheduled panini, then.
 
Is the side chat just a profanity store?
 
@Darth_Wardy Currently not, but that's a great idea!
 
I think Skittles are gross
 
9:33 AM
@MaartenWachters I eat them if it's the only candy available.
 
My favourite candy is sour worms
 
@Darth_Wardy Why would it be that
Enough drama has been caused by touchy subjects, not just swearing.
Off-topic conversation often generates heat which attracts moderators.
They see in infrared.
 
@scheien or Dragibus from Haribo hmm
I've not had a run in with a mod yet, but are they that touchy scared? @Sippy
 
Is that like jelly beans?
 
No
Most of them are really cool guys/gals
We only tend to get problems with one.
 
I think the C# game chat attracted some rpg.se mods
 
Mm
 
Today is my last lecture C#
FeelsBadMan
 
Don't stop coctothorping
Every other language is totally subpar.
 
Idk if I'll continue c#
If I don't make it this year , I'll probably go work as a store clerk
Don't get me wrong, I love programming
but I'm not a calm one, I get quite noisy / ragey at times
 
9:39 AM
@MaartenWachters You can get away with rageyness as a dev more than as a shop clerk.
 
No but I get ragey because I'm not able to do something
Only if I fail
 
And shop customers are usually much much worse: notalwaysright.com
 
I know, I've got store experience
 
@MaartenWachters All the best ones do
Man I shout at my PC every day
 
"All the best ones do, I shout at my pc everyday"
Not so subtle huh
 
9:41 AM
I love it when my coworkers yell certain profanity words because somethings broken.
 
Lol
 
When I did my internship as a web dev, I've had no experience with JS / PHP
I have latourrettes
so sometimes my coworkers would just laugh cuz I'd be shaking my head like really hard and yelling profanity
God I still despise PHP
 
PHP has no value
compared to other modern languages and frameworks
it's still basically a glorified templating engine. Feels like a duct-tape solution.
 
My marvellous window problem is solved... Not only did I need to dock into 2 other monitors (how my usual setup is).. I had to setup the monitors in the correct order to be able to reach my lost window... shieeet
 
New PHP isn't awful
It's not like .. good though
Don't tell that to a PHP developer though jesus they'll bite your face off.
 
9:49 AM
I don't know any PHP developers :D
 
We have a PHP team, I asked them once wouldn't they rather work with C# or JS or something
Very, very energetic response.
 
bark bark bark bark bark!
 
One of them asked me how I debug stuff, if I just do it with vardump or something
I lol'd so hard I fell off my chair.
 
XD
 
They don't even know how much better it gets.
 
9:51 AM
"Wait, so you have different files for HTML, code and database handling? That seems very inefficient..."
 
:D
 
I had that discussion once with a PHP dev. He argued that it's much cooler to not know what kind of datatype a variable has during development.

Noped right out of the room.
 
So who isn't using aspnet core yet?
it's awesome
 
it's ASP...
 
L O L
where is the documentation squiggle
where are the docs
 
9:57 AM
ASP.NET != ASP
but yeah, the docs kinda suck
 
@misha130 who needs docs? You can access the source code online!
 
@JanDvorak that's like saying VB.NET isn't VB
 
wowwwowowow
 
docs are improving daily. Plus, if you need docs, you ain't ready for the POWAH that the dotnet core stack brings.
 
@misha130 Missing comma. I was wondering what a documentation squiggle was.
 
9:58 AM
@Squiggle You sound like a PHP developer
does that scare you
 
@JanDvorak it's a clone of @Squiggle that documents things.
 
"POWAH OF THE PHP"
 
That's like saying w3schools is great because it separates the wheat from the chaff.
 
Jan you're not allowed to say stuff like that
Too far
 
Godwin's law? Dammit.
 
9:59 AM
@Sippy no YOU sound like a PHP developer
 

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