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1:00 PM
[dog doing impression of a woman]
 
> absolute trash dick biscuit?
 
@Squiggle System.Xml.XmlException: data at the root level is invalid. line 1 position 1.
it's a popular error on the net, but none of them gave me any solutions, and there was none who had the same problem as I - it gives this error few times, and then it starts to work out of nothing, on the same file (without any modifications)
 
@Dess but you said this happens part-way through the processing of the file?
 
hello
I am banned from asking questions
 
yea, it reads at least one information from the xml file
 
1:03 PM
Great intro
 
how can i get rid of it
why am i banned?
 
i read that if i delete questions i will get banned. But i havent deleted any
 
> The ban will be lifted automatically by the system when it determines that your positive contributions outweigh those questions which were poorly received.
 
how do i know my question is poorly recieved
 
1:04 PM
Your question up/down is currently -2.
 
is it the Vote ?
 
@jubi yes. And if it's very poorly received it'll get closed/put on hold/deleted
 
in my questions the vote is 2. So it means it is poorly recieved
am i correct
yes, one of my question was on hold
 
Also you've asked 10 questions in the past two weeks, and provided two answers - one on your own question.
 
1:06 PM
@Squiggle whooops, never knew that
 
oh,that also matters.i never knew that.
So if i knew answer i should not post it back..oh noooo!!
 
just keep in mind downvote on deleted question/answers will still take count in question ban
 
If you knew the answer you shouldn't have posted the question in the first place ;)
 
usually you won't get banned just for asking too many questions. check if you have any deleted downvoted questions, that's usually the reason
 
true..i ddnt knw the answer when i posted question.later i found the answer and felt it may be useful for someone else
thats why i have answered my own question
i havent deleted any questions as i remmeber
 
1:10 PM
flag&delete also count
 
but one of my question is on Hold
 
@tweray @jubi has a bunch of questions with < 0 votes, that's probably the biggest issue.
 
again, that's not something i am trying to judge, just to remind you if you don't understand why
 
oh..so the other users who is viewing my question should vote ..right
hmm...difficult :(
 
Hey, what was the name of the function that can accept value within given range in NUnit? For example Assert.AreEqual(value1, value2) will always fail because value1 != value2, but what if I know that value1 and value2 are always equal to 50 +/- 5 i.e value1 + value2 = 100
 
1:11 PM
but anyways, you seems to have many downvoted questions, that's already fair enough to get you banned
 
ohk...
how did you identify downvoted questions
 
@Vlad You can split it up with an x > 45 && x < 55
 
is it the -8 for my question stackoverflow.com/questions/35872544/…
 
it's all there on your profile
 
hmm..i saw
 
1:13 PM
"The only way to end a posting block is to positively contribute to the site; automatic bans never expire or "time out". Begin by fixing your existing questions;" From the link @Squiggle gave.
 
now i should modify my question to get it upvote.right
 
@Vlad Assert.LessThan(Math.Abs(value1-50), 5);
2
 
i am gonna update it to get upvote and should overcome from ban...
really sad
:(
 
that's how the site work, nobody has previlege
 
why people downvote ?
i think its bcz of grammer mistake and formating
 
1:15 PM
no, see the on hold reason of the question you linked
 
well take in mind that even if you do edit the people did downvote won't come back and upvote it back
 
ppl just don't understand what you are asking
 
Anyone want to check if how I post my questions is correct? I'd like to prevent that happening to me :)
 
i have updated the question s which was on hold
but it is not removed from hold.
 
@tweray yes good idea
 
1:18 PM
who is gonna unhold the questions after my update
 
sdd
Question about visual studio 2015: When I add a groupbox, I can add a radiobutton into it. When Itry to add a 2nd radiobutton, the 1st one gets deleted automatically.
 
once you edit it, it is going into reopen queue, reviewer will judge and vote on if the question worth reopen
 
sdd
No matter whatever I tried, I always end up with just 1 radiobutton.. How to fix this?
 
ohk..so i shall wait to reopen the question
 
@sdd in Winforms or WPF?
 
sdd
1:20 PM
WPF
 
I just tried it in winforms and worked fine ;o
 
thanks twery. i was shocked to see the ban today
 
sdd
@R593B WPF
I have searched th einternet for the past 30min but still no solution..
Anyone who can help?
 
@sdd Just made a new WPF project and got the same issue there
Oh
Try clicking after placing the first
Then place the second ;p
 
sdd
Yes that it gets added, but not into the groupbox..
I need 2 radiobuttons in 1 groupbox
 
1:24 PM
Thats odd indeed ;o
 
sdd
My main goal is: having multiple sets of radiobuttons
If there is aany other way to achieve this, I am open for it
 
groupbox is designed to only contain one child element, if you want multiple controls inside a groupbox, you need to first wrap a grid or panel or whatever other container inside
 
falls off chair
 
a screw on the floor
 
sdd
Grid works perfect, thank you!
 
1:29 PM
writes things in italics
@jubi stackoverflow.com/help/how-to-ask absorb this, then review your previous questions to see if they are sufficient.
 
ok
 
Hey guys,
I am trying to programm a confirmation form, meaning that if the user presses a butten, this forms pops up and you can only carry on working when u accepted it.
any ideas?
 
@MilesA. so... a modal form?
WPF? WinForms? MVC?
 
What is a modal form?^^
 
google it ;)
 
1:41 PM
haha ofc i should have guessed :D
Nah, it's just a form with a button that says "accept" roughly.
Or maybe that is it? :D I am so confused right now
 
are you using Windows Forms? WPF? what?
 
Yes, Windows FOrms
 
193
Q: How to create a message box with "Yes", "No" choices and a DialogResult in C#?

PetrI want to make simple Yes/No choiced MessageBox, but I think it is nonsense to design a form for that. I thought I could use MessageBox, add buttons, etc. to accomplish this. It is simple, but since there is no DialogResult returned, how do I retrieve the result?

 
@Squiggle Thanks for that one, roughly what i need.
 
I'm not an expert on Winforms, but I do know how to use the Stack Overflow search box.
 
1:48 PM
@Squiggle Haha you definetely thought of something my brain had troubble spitting out ;)
 
mY COMPANY USES collegue directory where i will have information about all the staff.

And now in my mvc application when i fill details about the staff say name i want to do a look up in the collegue directory
and wanna auto fill the fields in mvc mvc view. Is it possible. I dnt know how the collegue directory works.
what i have is just a link to the collegue directory
 
Too vague to answer
 
i will explain
 
@jubi stop and think about what you're asking.
we can help with technical questions, but if you don't know how the thing you're trying to make is meant to work, there's nothing we can do to help you.
"I want to make an application that does X. How do I do this?" = BAD QUESTION
"I tried to integrate with X and I'm receiving error Y. I have tried A, B and C but they didn't work." = better question.
 
Ha. Cat sitting right on top of neighbours' chimney
 
1:54 PM
when i said i dnt know how it work i mean i dnt know which database it is pointed or based on what technology it is developed. it is a kind of intranet application which is used across the company
 
Doesn't seem to have any problem getting down
@jubi so how are we supposed to know?
 
from my mvc application is it possible to connect to an external link.
 
@jubi where is the I have tried this and this part?
 
Uhoh. Cat #2 on the scene. Both cats seem to want to fight but both are balanced on top of a fence
 
1:57 PM
@jubi Have you tried asking the people who actually run this database?
 
Is this a trustworthy test?
[Test]
		public void MakeSignTest_RunMakeSignHundredTimes_PassesIfThereIsEvenDistributionOfNegativeAndPostiveNumbers ()
		{
			// arrange
			int len = 100;
			int[] signs = new int[100];
			int negative = 0;
			int positive = 0;
			int treshhold = 40;

			// act
			for (int i = 0; i < len ; i += 1)
			{
				signs[i] = ArtmUtils.MakeSign();
				if (signs[i] < 0)
				{
					negative += 1;
				}
				else
				{
					positive += 1;
				}
			}

			// assert
			//Assert.Less(Math.Abs(value1 - 50), 5);
 
@TomW start a liveblog
twitter.com/catfight_uk
 
given that ArtmUtils.MakeSign() returns randomly between two values 1 and -1
 
nope..i wont get those details about the data or database
what i have is a link which is an aspx page and there is a serach option, if i give my name over there it will give the detials like email id , surname ,dob etc...
 
@Vlad nah. It's not deterministic. It may pass sometimes, and fail others.
 
1:58 PM
Hah
I found another one
 
what i am expecting is get the response from the link and match the fields like "surname","email" and get the data for those and show up in my application
 
@jubi what do you mean 'link'?
 
@jubi you could treat it as an external webservice but that's pretty gross
 
@Squiggle so what should I do to test my MakeSign () function?
 
@Vlad Why are you concerned about the randomness?
 
2:00 PM
@Vlad what are you trying to test for?
 
@squggile ; it is actually "colleaguedirectory.intranet.group/Pages/PeopleResults.aspx?k=jubi&exact=true."
 
i want to test this:
public static int MakeSign ()
		{
			int sign = (int)Mathf.Round(ArtmUtils.Range(0, 2));
			return (sign == 0 ? -1 : 1);
		}
 
Guys I am trying to play videos from Vidzi in my Winforms application but I got kinda stuck.
I got this `Shockwave Flash Object` where I tried using the "share" link from the video itself (In this case http://vidzi.tv/dgvcf931y4i7.html ) This doesn't work.
I found this post on reddit but I don't quite understand how the guy found the direct video link. https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/3fs2nx/extracting_video_link_from_putlocker/
 
ArtmUtils.Range(a, b) a inclusive, b non inclusive
 
Derp forgot to include the post >.>
 
2:02 PM
@jubi so, a URL. You have a URL that returns a HTML page full of search results. You want to do something with that.
 
@Squiggle by link i am jut pointing to an intranet page. What i want is i will call this "colleaguedirectory.intranet.group/Pages/PeopleResults.aspx?k=jubi&exact=true" from my mvc application and read the page and get the details whatever i want
yes
 
@Vlad but why do you need to test it?
 
@jubi that's gross :X
 
@Squiggle : Yes,exactly
 
^ I concur. Please don't write crapware, do it properly instead
Nobody at your company will thank you for persevering with writing horrible software
 
2:03 PM
@jubi get a real web service in place. Query that.
 
why do I round it hahaa
 
fokkin hell
 
user47589
Good morning.
 
hey @Amy
 
@Vlad that is really a public method needed by the user of the class, where the MakeSign is implemented it?
 
2:03 PM
@Amy save us!
 
user47589
saves the room to disk as "CSharp-chat.txt"
 
bike repair shop just called, the estimated 100€ are now 140€ because my mech hangar got broken when I had an unpleasant encounter with an icy surface during January.
 
>D
 
MakeSign is static inside a static class called ArtmUtils
 
@squiggle :you mean dnt use URL
 
2:05 PM
@SteffenWinkler what bike is it?
 
find out the database and create webservice to find details
 
@jubi by all means use a webservice, but one that is meant for being consumed by applications
 
@jubi Exactly.
 
(p.s. how do you think you access a webservice? Using its URL!)
 
@ntohl a Gudereit LC-45. Trekking bike.
it's really a nice bike, but I forgot to get it inspected last year and now there are quite a few things damaged.
 
user47589
2:06 PM
i access web services by talking to the local spiders. It's easier than using a you-are-ell.
 
Also @jubi why are you trying to replicate functionality that already exists in another application?
 
yeah pobably a test for MakeSign is redundant.
 
@Vlad Why do You test it? ArtmUtils is not Yours.
 
@SteffenWinkler I have a bike in the shop as well. Meant to be collecting it today
Barely used; just been collecting spiders in my shed for ~6 years
 
@Vlad Not redundant, just unreliable
 
2:07 PM
@TomW yup, mine will be done today as well. They just called because the previous estimated didn't pan out due to that mech hangar
 
user47589
@TomW has fast access to web services in his mech hangar
 
mech hangar sounds much cooler than it probably is
MechWarrior, choose your clan
 
Probably the best way to test randomness is via statistical significance tests, not pass/fail
 
my new application is going to use only part of it, just to get the details of the staff. In my page i am going to have many other fields which is not in the existing one
 
2:07 PM
@ntohl what do you mean not mine?
 
@SteffenWinkler omg 16.8 kg. And repair it for 140 eur?
I got my car repaired for 200 eur
 
@ntohl yup. Chain has to be exchanged, same as all pinions(?), rear wheel needs to be changed, too. Rear brakes are done
 
@KendallFrey yes I already tried that, with 100 values and a treshold. But somebody said this way the test is not trustworty
 
that's not a statistical significance test
that's a pass/fail unit test
 
@TomW see the image, it's the silver metallic thing connecting the red frame with the switcher(?)
 
2:09 PM
@SteffenWinkler the heating motor was replaced
 
aa, that is new, statistical significance test
@KendallFrey and how do I write such test? Conceptually how?
 
@ntohl so you got a non-essential part replaced for more money than I needed to get 4 essential parts repaired/exchanged?
 
@SteffenWinkler right, I'd have called that a derailleur. But maybe we're talking about a specific part
I do not bicycle; I have no idea
 
@Vlad Why do You test some API that You use? It's just used. Not Your own code, that should be tested
 
@TomW according to wikipedia it's called a 'Derailleur hanger'
with the alternative name 'mech hanger'
I like mech hanger more, especially because I can actually pronounce it
 
2:11 PM
 
Rather than a result saying the test passed, you want a result saying the random algorithm produced 50.2% positive signs with a p-value of 0.6.
 
@SteffenWinkler You would reconsider that one, when You have the same situation as me... You can't see out in any window of the car, because there is ice on it. Inside the car...
 
@Vlad I have no idea, you'd need a test framework that supports such things. I don't know if any exist
 
@ntohl ah, see that's your issue, you've the windows up!
 
@KendallFrey I'd go with FsCheck
 
2:13 PM
Of course, there's much more that you can test besides just the number of +/- it generates
randomness checks are a pretty complex subject
 
@SteffenWinkler the windshield is a window too
 
In German that thing is called 'Schaltauge' (mech hanger). Which translates to 'switch eye'
@ntohl so?
 
@ntohl That's a fuzz test, isn't it?
 
just messing with you @ntohl ;)
 
So a function that generates two numbers(1, -1) randomly should return -1 50% and 1 50% of the time.
in perfect case.
 
2:14 PM
okok.. kappa imminent
 
!!urban kappa
 
@SteffenWinkler Kappa The main symbol/emote of Twitch.tv. It represents sarcasm, irony, puns, jokes, and trolls alike. If you see this term used outside of Twitch.tv, then this is not the correct definition. Usually used at the end of an ironic or sarcastic sentence. Sentences that contain a Kappa should not be taken seriously. If you search "Kappa Twitch.tv" in Google you can see what the emote looks like, and why it is used (snip)
 
it should also return 1 50% of the time after returning 1
etc.
 
@ntohl kappa.
 
Yes so maybe I run 1000 time MakeSign and check the percentage
 
2:16 PM
In any case, I like that bike. Even though it was as broken down as it was, I still rode ~300 km on it without a (bigger) problem.
 
@KendallFrey Umm. Don't know. I just use it :D You can behaviour test with it, like state something obvious. Like every list's reversed reverse is the list. FsCheck will generate 100 tests for You if it's true.
 
@ntohl Yeah that's not helpful for testing randomness though
@Vlad The important part is the p-value
 
I dislike the idea of testing randomness.
 
also, 1000 times isn't enough for a good randomness test
 
@Vlad the thing you are testing is not a "unit test"
 
2:17 PM
@KendallFrey Yeah, but You can write, ALL of the time the result will be between -1 and 1
 
you want billions
 
I'll probably be buying a cheap MTB sometime soon. Found out I actually like cycling through forests after it rained, but don't like the cleaning up on the bike after I'm done.
 
@ntohl How is that at all relevant to what we're talking about?
 
@KendallFrey That's one test for MakeSign()
 
@SteffenWinkler That's what mine is, I think. Very sturdy but weighs a fing ton
 
2:18 PM
@ntohl it doesn't test randomness though. that's what we're talking about
 
69
Q: How should I test randomness?

dlras2Consider a method to randomly shuffle elements in an array. How would you write a simple yet robust unit test to make sure that this is working? I've come up with two ideas, both of which have noticeable flaws: Shuffle the array, then make sure its order differs from before. This sounds good, ...

 
i have a feeling that I should not be testing my random function :)
 
@Vlad You got it right.
 
@TomW you've a steel frame? Last time I had one of those was...12 years ago. No suspension or anything.
 
Unless you have a good reason to be worried about it, you're right
 
2:21 PM
@SteffenWinkler not sure
@SteffenWinkler it's got front forks, it is still a bit of a boneshaker though
oops
 
The only thing that comes to my mind is, run the function until both values even up in appearance, i.e 50/50.
That would need many repeats :)
 
in that case you'd never run it at all
You don't want a pass/fail test, so stop thinking about it.
 
@TomW ah ok. If you don't mind me asking, why repair the bike when it's collecting dust anyway?
 
living in a teenage dream
 
@SteffenWinkler I'd like to either start using it or sell it, it's taking up space
 
2:24 PM
ah ok
 
@CharlieBrown put down the porn and get on with work
 
user47589
@Squiggle get your priorities in order
 
speaking of p-values... apparently the eggheads that come up with stuff like that had a conference to discuss the true meaning of p-values, and almost predictably, could not reach a concensus
 
user47589
what was the p-value of their consensus?
 
oke. Another improvment of my code :) moved some functions that should not be part of my MonoBehavior that should be in utilities
 
2:28 PM
Hello , does any one used paypal ?
 
I have but only to buy things on the Netz
Or you mean programmed Paypal app?
 
in paypal there are 2 account 1 for test called sandbox , another is live
I want to pay my user , so when i click a button , an amount should be transferred to paypal email account of user
i use payout function from developer guide
it works fine with sandbox account
but when try on live account
it said

Paypal.Identity Exception , The remote server returned an error: (401) Unauthorized.
 
According to some people testing user interface is stupid since it changes alot. However programming video game includes lot of updating the UI at runtime. Should I bother unit testing the functionality that works with UI?
It seems more like an integration testing than unit testing
 
Just realised I was listening to lostprophets
 
user47589
that's integration testing.
 
2:33 PM
#don'tknowifthatfeelsbadman
 
And also another drawback is that games are state machines which means you put all your visual and bussines logic inside that single state aka Scene :)
 
@Bassem how do you know what your credentials for the live account should be?
And how do you set them?
What authentication model does the paypal API use? Where is it documented?
 
user47589
we don't know the paypal API
 
through paypal developer website
i am sure that Client ID and secret ID in my website are same as Codes on paypal
 
@Bassem maybe you can make a helper paypal account just so you test it for real
 
2:37 PM
no problem in functionality
Sandbox ---Work
Live ---Not Work
!!
 
@Bassem That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: 3, i, d, y, ^, !, π, ?
 
morning
 
!!3
 
@caprica , what is the problem ?
 
2:37 PM
read the paypal docs again :)
 
@Bassem Caprica's a bot, not a person
 
yes
 
user47589
@Bassem the Caprica bot is activated when you use double !
 
i am speaking about payout
https://developer.paypal.com/docs/payouts/
 
2:38 PM
maybe you need to get user credentials at runtime
 
@Amy which double ?
 
user47589
!
 
user47589
shift-1
 
Exclamation point
Bang
 
!! adhd
 
hmmm , ok
 
Line with a dot under it
 
! Hello :D
 
I am getting attached to that dog.
 
@R593B see what you did? you broke the bot :o
 
2:40 PM
@R593B are you on the other end of that leash?
 
!!weather warsaw,poland
 
@AdrianK. I am innocent! :(
 
@AdrianK. Warsaw: 6.97C (280.125K), light rain
 
@mikeTheLiar I Wish :O That dog looks awesome.
 
best book for integration testing? Continuous Delivery?
 
2:42 PM
@Vlad experience is the best teacher ;)
 
@R593B ok
@CapricaSix I don't see any rain here :O
 
!!doge trash, dick, biscuit
 
  wow
            such trash
                          so  dick
very  biscuit
 
!!weather Goes,Netherlands
 
@R593B Goes: 8.98C (282.13K), few clouds
 
2:43 PM
That one is right :P
Few clouds lol.
 
Damn I want a tea? Who want tea, lets cry toghether :)
!!weather Skopje,Macedonia
 
@Vlad Skopje: 9C (282.15K), light rain
 
why cap not giving freedom unit
 
@tweray think it's based on the location
!!weather Boston
 
@mikeTheLiar Boston: 61.56F (16.42C, 289.575K), light rain
 
2:45 PM
wow
 
Probably determined by the API that she's using
 
@mikeTheLiar you're in Boston? I might visit MA this year if I'm lucky
 
@AdrianK. nah, I just wanted to know what the weather was like there
 
even bot knows only murica stupid enough to deal with that
 
JK, yes I am in Boston
What are your plans in MA if you're lucky?
 
2:47 PM
@tweray I'll give her the freedom unit
 
hes taking the southie tour challenge
 
theregister.co.uk/2016/03/09/microsoft_sonic_debian Microsoft has today released a homegrown open-source operating system, based on Debian GNU/Linux
 
@mikeTheLiar I have a 50+yo friend there where I might crush for a few nights. It kinda depends on how much days I will have free, if any. All hinges on if I'll have a business trip to the US
 
^ specifically for network switches, but still a significant jump
 
Go home Microsoft, you're drunk
 
2:48 PM
wtf microsoft like linux WutFace
 
That's quite ironic knowing Linux stance towards MS
 
@Failsafe what's southie tour challenge?
 
Releases SQL Server for Linux.
Releases MS variant of Linux.
... what next? gonna ditch Windows?
 
SERVES YOU RIGHT FOR MAKING IT FREE YOU SCHMUCKS AHAHAHAHA
P.S. GET A HAIRCUT
 
@AdrianK. Where you try and survive for a week straight
 
2:49 PM
btw, anyone experienced this. I left my laptop (win 8.1) on overnight. in the morning, i got fucking win10
 
oh, and released cross-platform Visual Studio Code, and bought cross-platform Xamarin
 
LOL
 
Wait,... wait, is Internet Explored now Firefox? Kappa
 
@Failsafe Southie's actually extremely gentrified at this point
 
:D
 
2:50 PM
@tweray talk about unwanted software >.<
 
@mikeTheLiar yea i know....
it used to be cool
it's like a super drug addict who found out he was having a kid so he cleaned himself up and became a pastor or something
found god as it were
 
!!urban gentrified
 
@AdrianK. [gentrified](http://gentrified.urbanup.com/2832593) sissified, punk

used to describe someone unaccustomed to frank discussions, particularly a man who is made uncomfortable by mild hostility, a fop
 
Modern day Southie challenge: survive for a week on minimum wage
 
and even better, my laptop is now trying to sync all those 500GB of dump i have on onedrive
 
2:51 PM
@mikeTheLiar Probably pretty hard to get past the "finding a minimum wage job" point
 
huh, Visual Studio supports R now
 
turns out new onedrive on win10 no longer support remote only directory
 
@tweray not only syncing buy also sending it to MS lol
 
and they didn't even put a # behind it
 
@tweray It forces itself to be scheduled to be installed at some point. "We'll install Windows 10 at bla bla." If you clicked away that notification Window, which should have appeared a week prior, then yeah, that happens.
 
2:53 PM
ok and I' m off again, see you tomorrow :)
 
huh
 
sigh... msft
 
this chat starts to become a scrum meeting lol
 
@Failsafe Google image search "Southie in $decade" is pretty interesting.
 
...
.Where(Function(ti) ti.hasSubscription = True)
Is .. is that a lambda?
 
2:55 PM
yes
 
wow
this codebase is weird
Lol
 
@Sippy Welcome to C# chat! You should ask that in Visual Basic chat...
 
We can't handle symbols in VB world you see
 
@Sippy can probably be translated to .Where(ti => ti.HasSubscription)
imho
 
A colleague of mine uses the term "Walking Skeleton" to describe like, an alpha version
Has anyone ever heard this term before?
 
2:57 PM
@Squiggle I just saw your comment
now i am watching the full video
 
@TomW Yeah, my analyst used that term for Proof of Concept app
 
because fuck it
 
@Failsafe which what?
 
somebody read "working effectively with legacy code" by Martin Fowler? Is it useful
 
technoviking
 
2:58 PM
haha yeah. Bitchin'.
 
webapi post method call just skipping the line of code.
 public StaffLocation StaffLocationCreate(StaffLocation staffLocation)
        {
            string uri = baseUri + "StaffLocation";
            using (HttpClient httpClient = new HttpClient())
            {
                Task<HttpResponseMessage> response = httpClient.PostAsJsonAsync<StaffLocation>(uri, staffLocation);
                return JsonConvert.DeserializeObjectAsync<StaffLocation>(response.Result.Content.ReadAsStringAsync().Result).Result;
            }
        }

This calls the post method
any clue
 

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