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11:00
england ==> canada
I would so do that if I ever had serious thoughts about moving countries
I survived!
I really wanted to move countries but it is impossible to..
There was this place my friend visited near Vancouver but I can't remember what it was called, but it was beautiful
@ActionHank Checked for bullet/knife wounds?
@Sean oui, just some scars
11:01
@ActionHank No fresh ones then, excellent
The old 'you need to work on your education'
of which they are correct about
I need to get my MCPD this year
I really hate that...
yeah, me too
Talking about moving countries, anyone with a spare room and maybe a job to a brazilian? :(
I see what the value of such a title is (being a consultant) but I don't really learn anything!
@AndréSilva if I move to Germany, you can rent my appartment
11:03
I've never understood why, when they can throw tonnes of shit at me and I clean it up, fertilise the crops and come out clean on the other side, they still want me to get a bit of paper just so they can pay me more.
._. In NL or Germany ?
@AndréSilva in NL
I have a mortgage to pay!
@Sean pay more is good right
I'll think about it lol.
Going to smoke. Be right back.
i got an official 'we like your work, but we don't like you're slacking off in the education department'
"But they can charge you out for more, it gives customers confidence." No. Lies. Good work gives customers confidence. If you do a shit job as an MCPD people are more likely to never come back. If you do a good job, they will come back, regardless of qualifications.
11:05
But you'll get the job easier in the first place
as a company
it's true
You would think so, but I don't know anyone who would go to an IT and storage solutions company for development work anyway
All our work is from existing customers and we've had to tell them we're capable of doing it
Dutch people, maybe? As I said we mix IT and Development as a term :P
Not my fault (the fact that our services are badly advertised) =P
I know, I should do it and it would help me in the long run, but as I don't want to be in IT in the long run I don't really care
An extra couple of grand for a year or two isn't going to make the blindest bit of difference to me
I know this company, they gave me a letter when I was going to leave to entice me back that said "And for each exam you pass, we will add £500 to your salary." and that's 95% likely to be all they'll give me =_=
I got a 8-9% raise just now, imagine what I get when I pass (ALL) my courses in a year
11:15
#thatLamboIsComing
#@AndréSilvaIsComing
@ActionHank See that's alright but I don't even get my salary raised to match inflation =P
What do you guys mean by lambo ?
Lamborghini
11:16
lol
in brazil its called a ford mondeo
We have lamborghinis..
Like 10 in the country..
Never seen a mondeo in the streets..
Nothing wrong with fords, they just don't go as fast, or look as nice
Ford are excelent for speed.. But you can't compare with lamborghinis..
I can, I just shouldn't
Haha true.
Brazil is so f*cked up that a VW Golf is a car for the wealth...
11:19
That moment when you realise you should have written down what the customer was saying on the phone because you know your note-taking sucks, but you didn't anyway...
I like Golfs
They're not bad cars, it's just if you break them it costs a shitload to get them fixed
Nah VW here in Brazil are cheap to repair compared to Hondas and Peugeouts..
Since we have VW Industry here.. And GM too..
The 2009/10/11/12 (the ones before this new one) GTIs are the best looking so far if you ask me
The first thing anyone said to me when I was starting out with my driving lessons and looking at cars and insurance was "Don't get a VW, parts cost a bomb."
Think it was my uncle
Then it was "Don't get a Peugeot or a Citroen either, they fall apart while you're driving them."
@AndréSilva and to think the South American VWs are of less quality than German VWs :P
@ActionHank Of couse.. Brazilian are well known for being lazy while German are well known for being precise and hard working..
Not sure where the VWs are built that they send over here
11:24
I need a cheap black/white laser printer. Any ideas @Sean ?
There are somethings that I can't understand.. For example, England is small. Smaller than Sao Paulo. And yet they have a lot of money and well distributed money.
While in Brazil we are kind of poor ( getting richer ) and we have a lot of space to do stuff
@AndréSilva That wasn't always the case in England. And it probably won't be the case for much longer.
@JamieTownsend I got my mum a Kodak ESP C something, it's a little all-in-one, was only about £60
@JamieTownsend From PC world no less. Yes, I feel dirty.
The main problem in Brazil are the big farmers that get a lot of space to get not the same amount of money he would get with industry.
11:27
@JamieTownsend Oh I missed the laser part
@Billdr England was always rich. Since what? 1000 AC ?
@JamieTownsend And keep forgetting it's not a laser
@AndréSilva But the wealth was not always well distributed.
@AndréSilva Well distributed? You taking the piss? xD
11:28
@Sean Compared to Brazil, India, or China.
@Sean Are you rich ?
@Billdr Well yes, that's true
the rich getting richer is not some evil greed conspiracy
if you want to understnad why the poor are getting poorer
its because they make "poor choices"
@AndréSilva By no stretch of the imagination am I rich =P
if you do english literature at university, you're going to work in subway
the rich encourage their kids to do activities that add value to their lives
11:29
@Sean But were you always rich ?
@Cylen Do you know off-hand what the figures are regarding the top 1% and how much of the country's wealth they have?
world 1%?
or UK{?
No, the UK
to be in the top 1%, you need to earn over 150k
One of the richest bastard in Brazil is a priest...
11:30
@AndréSilva Well, my family's been well-off, but not rich
and i'd guess its between 10- 30%,
150k is not a lot of money,
@Sean So you agree that you could work out to get rich with not much difficulty right ?
90k per year after taxes
@AndréSilva The richest bastard in Brazil is a conman...
you'd be able to buy a million pound house after 20 years
with a mortgage
11:31
@AndréSilva Depends on how you define difficult
if you lived in poverty while getting there
@Billdr Well yeah.. Eike Batista used to rob oil map from public company to his own company to get rich..
And the other rich bastard just lost his company to some french..
@Cylen When I came out of school into a job, I soon realised how much money wasn't worth =P
The other is a priest
And the other is a criminal in all the countries, stole money from government in Brazil but, only Brazil don't have evidence to arrest him.
Even Interpol wants his head but Brazil protects him because he gets reelected every year..
@Cylen Or rather, exactly how much it cost just to pay the bills and feed yourself
11:33
Compared to Brazil, I think even Mexico has better distributed wealth..
Brazil is one of the only countries that the real owners aren't company owners. Because politicians own 50% of brazilan big companies.
The main TV channel in Brazil gave a lot of money to the government when we had a dictatorship. Because the military used to give a lot of money.. And yet, no one does nothing.
@AndréSilva No, it's not that. The quality of materials of Mexican/Brazilian produced VWs are just lower. Has nothing to do with work ethos
The other big TV channel is owned by that rich priest that uses to laundry money from the money he receives from all his churches.
@ActionHank But we should be the biggest. We are a huge country. Look at China..
Corruption here is big as hell...
But I bet you're not as communist as China :P
Nah..
Their view of communism is just dictatorship from a different POV...
@sean what is your target salary ?
11:39
And I'm not sure China is going to be like that for very long
china gonna tear itself apart
Like every other industrial nation
i think other industrial nations grew naturally
or rather, organically
@Cylen I have no idea... I'd rather be doing something I enjoy than earning a tonne, unless I could earn millions by sitting behind a desk all day =P
chinas growth is very forced
and its ignored lots of critical issues
the air pollution rates in beijing are officially measured at 4 times the stay indoors rate
and by the US embassy
at 8 times
11:41
@Sean Don't you sit behind a desk all day anyway?
@Billdr Haha, good point. I meant sitting behind a desk doing nothing. And I do occasionally do work, before you pull that one ;]
@Sean I'm pretty sure you're just asking for a raise.
Man.... I want to start a project but I have no idea where to begin with..
You begin with an idea.
@Billdr Nooo =] I want to be in games dev (like every other developer in the world)
11:42
I have one.
Great. Step two is: ???
I was going to tell you but you never spoke to me on Skype again..
I generally don't talk on skype
1) Idea
2) Courage
3) ????
4) Profit
? ._.
there, I'm on skype. PM away.
I'm at work, so... no voip.
11:43
I'm at work too.. People here barely know english so they would say bad things about me knowing it..
Going in.
Dirty.
@Cylen I would like a Lambo. I would like a nice big house with all the gadgets I have my eyes on, and a massive home cinema system, and a computer system like the one out of Swordfish... So uhh... That kind of salary =P
You like don't you...
ok
so lambo for life
My motivation sucks, that's something I need to get over and I know it.
11:45
but a book
called willpower
read it
do it
and also find something you like doing, i was the worst ranked employee in 10 years at my first job (accountant)
Is that actually a book?
ISBN: 978 0 141 049489
it sin my bag at all ti9mes
I have problems finding things I enjoy doing. I used to enjoy programming til I started it as a job =P
what are your main things you enjoy in life
Sleeping
I really like sleeping
11:47
sleeping isnt living
its recharing for living
I know =P
*recharging
I like playing games, but being a games tester is even less than I'm being paid atm and I don't like playing games that much
I had fun writing my own (shitty) game when I was learning to program
It was even what you would consider a finished game
Even though I never considered it finished cos there was tonnes of things I kept adding
The wonders of browser-based RPGs =]
Nowadays, I have trouble finishing a card game xD
sounds like being slightly more goal focussed
A card game, I might point out, that I actually do enjoy playing, which is rare, cos most of them are boring
11:51
would help you, you're clearly creative and logical
but require better focus
Yarp
try the following
at the start of every day
write down what you want to get done that day
write it down in priority order, and start at the top
when you're done, stop and go enjoy yourself
anything youi dont finish, put into tomorrow
and be very specific, not "finish project"
Yeah that's the hard part, being specific
it will increase your productivity signifincalty
well that just takes alittle time
My to-do lists tend to be the task as a whole, which is alright for small tasks
11:52
when i was your age
i woudlnt get out of bed until i'd written that list
Getting out of bed is a major task in itself xD
I struggle to get to sleep, but when I am asleep, it's near on impossible to get up
nutmeg and dark chocolate
before bed
I fucked myself over this morning. I got up at 1pm on sunday, went for a bath at 9 and got in bed at 10. I actually managed to get to sleep but I woke up at 5am and couldn't get back to sleep for an hour. Should have gotten up, trying to wake yourself up in the middle of your deep sleep cycle is fucking impossible. Hence being 10 mins late in this morning. Although the fucking door didn't help
11:54
a small square or 2 of choccy, and a decent amount of nutmeg on whatever your'e eating
Isn't one of nutmegs active ingredients MDMA? (The main active chemical in Ecstasy)
@JamieTownsend That's exactly the same problem I have
There must be a condition or something @Sean ?
@JamieTownsend Although it depends where I am. If I'm at home I can sleep in til the afternoon every day, but if I'm at my mums, the slightest noise will wake me up and then I won't be able to get back to sleep again. (assuming I've had enough sleep, otherwise I don't get up in the first place)
what is your sleeping environment like sean?
temperature, humidity, noise, light leves?
*levels
Uhm, well at the moment it's always fucking cold regardless of how long the heating is on. But toasty warm in my covers (ahmagawd I love that feeling). The light isn't so bad, I have no lights on in my room except for the tiny one on my phone that says it's charging (I need that, it's my alarm).
12:00
what do you find you notice/think of when you're trying to sleep
and do you exercise at all?
Humidity I have no idea of and noise depends on the weather and the local apes. If it's raining I can hear it dripping off the roof into the back yard. If the local apes decide to kick up a fuss it can be noisy with shouting but that doesn't happen so often
Time to get some work done and leave this room! man you guys are time black-hole!
lol
@Maverik gl, hf!
thanks :) and get over that starwars thingy already! i need ma medic!
12:02
@Maverik Black holes are time black holes.
O.o
i thought they were light black holes?
Things I sleep of when I try to get to think.... (I'm not correcting that.) It depends =P sometimes my mind runs off on any weird tangent it can =P
Nu!! I seee what you're doing there
i shalt naught fall for that!
ctrl+f4
@Maverik Matter that goes into a black hole becomes infinitely dense, thus allowing it to violate causality. At least, that's how I understand it from laymen physics books.
Bewhahaha
You've crossed the event horizon. There is no escape.
I'm still getting desktop notifications but I'm gonna hope you won't ping for black holes at least :)
12:05
And it's very rare I do exercise, but I've always had this sleeping problem, even when I was at school and PE was mandatory, and regular sex. A day in your room with your girlfriend really does make you sleepy. Does wonders for your abs though =D
I did ~2 hours of biking over the weekend. I ate a total of 3500 calories. I gained 3 pounds. Stupid body, violating thermodynamics.
cardio doesnt burn calories :/
sorry bildr :P
@Billdr what kind of bike do you have?
about half an hour on the treadmill, and you do the same exercise as half a cookie
@ActionHank The brand is "Scott."
12:08
@Cylen It depends. Burning calories is a matter of respiration. The higher your heart rate, the more calories you burn. Simple biology tells you this. Although cardio doesn't burn as much as people think it does
there's other factors as well in there sean
I wear one of these: bodymedia.com/explore.html at all times.
Oh yeah, but as a general rule, the higher your heart rate, the more calories you will burn.
I've found it to work within the +/- 10% accuracy they claim
@Cylen I've always had the sleep problem though. When I was a baby I slept right through from the very first night
Not sure how that's relevant, but it's there anyway =P
12:11
(assuming 1lb of fat is about 3500 calories, and so a 3500 calorie defect should translate to a 1lb loss of weight, forgetting water retention and muscle growth)
well, just because its always been around
doesnt menan you have to put up with it
Oh I know that
I just have no idea how to get rid of it xD
start googling
WPF people: does wpf natively handle touch input?
and then just experiment
its the rest of your life
12:14
When I went camping in Ireland I was up at 5am for the drive to wales for the ferry, then chilling in town all afternoon, then hiking over all sorts of weird terrain from like 7-8pm til midnight. Then setting tents up and such.. I still wasn't tired until about 4am in the morning... And then some weekends I can fall asleep multiple times through the day after doing fuck all =P
(not talking about metro apps)
wb mav ;)
eh thanks :)
i'm only here for the question before i waste hours on interwebs :D
Biggest advice for exams, read the whole question before you answer! #fail
:'(
:(
been there.. sucks when you realise it after the exam is over!
12:16
@StuartBlackler I've done that so many times it's untrue >_<
sucks because I didnt have time to correct my mistake properly. Should have done enough to get a pass from the rest of the paper though
hopefully =]
what exam was it stuart?
But its seriously put my chances of a first class honors in jeapody
All counting on my dissertation really
it was Advanced Data Management (Data Mining basically)
I passed my A level Maths and I only answered about half the questions, granted I did get an overall E, but it's still a pass! =P
12:18
the only reason I am doing this stupid degree is because I have an e in computing (off 5 modules haha)
I got a C in computing
My coursework was shit... I went about it completely the wrong way
I got a BJ in computing once
@JamieTownsend Lucky you
me too, got fined and banned
totally worth it
12:20
Had sex in the music rooms many many times, got caught in the library with hands in places they shouldn't be in the library a couple of times
The librarian looked rather flustered when she came round the corner to that one xD
Never got into any trouble though
I heard on fb this slag got caught literally fucking a guy on the dance floor. N the bouncers carried them out together lmfao
lol!
I can believe it as she is a proper dirty scank
Hahahahah!
he was dancing behind her, with his cock up her lmao
12:22
haha
star worthy story
Wtf...
afternoon @Lews
Hi Stuart
That's brilliant xD I wanna know what possessed them to carry on after they got grabbed by the bouncers
"Keep calm and continue screwing" maybe?
probably big tits :)
12:23
lol
I think maybe they was on the brink ? I dunno about you but if I am about to cum, a fucking earthquake ain't stopping me
Hahahahaha, an earthquake would probably help you along
gonna test you on that JT
LOL!
how fucking cheap is that
I only want it to print invoices
Hey that's not bad =]
12:26
Is that including ink
@ActionHank Most printers come with a cartridge/toner pack included that I've ever bought
@Sean they do. but most printers aren't as cheap
Anyone know how I can cast an object to a type with a certain attribute on a property?
Why the hell can't you switch/case on Type?!
@ActionHank I got an all-in-one colour inkjet for £60 for my mum =] they're getting cheaper =]
12:28
@Sean oh that's nice
In ASP.NET I want to cast a Control object to an assignable type that has a property with the attribute ControlValuePropertyAttribute set.
@ActionHank Yeah it's a Kodak ESP C something, think it might be C35 or something
holy mind eye fuck
TURNS RIGHT
12:30
Sometimes my G+ feed delivers.
I first tried to do something like:

var types =
from a in AppDomain.CurrentDomain.GetAssemblies()
from t in a.GetTypes()
let p = t.GetProperties().Where(prop => prop.IsDefined(typeof(ControlValuePropertyAttribute), false)).Single()
where p != null
select new { Type = t, PropInfo = p };

but I always end up with an empty sequence. :/
@Billdr If you look at one spot on the image it doesn't move. The trick is keeping your eyes from straying
Huh, it stops if you think "turn left"
@Billdr I actually now can't get it to start moving again. DAMNIT.
must
get
rid
of
picture
12:31
LOL
from
screen
keep going, it's still there!
@Zolomon That let p = t line is your problem, I'm 99% sure.
not for me @Sean :D
@StuartBlackler Damnit.
It's ok it won't move any more.... =\
I think because I stopped it almost as soon as I saw it, my brain now refuses to be tricked again
12:34
@Billdr Thanks, will look into it
@Zolomon try FirstOrDefault instead of Single
4
Q: Should I use Single() or SingleOrDefault() if there is a chance that the element won't be found?

the_drowWhat would you prefer to see? try { var item = list.Single(x => x.HasFoo); } catch(InvalidOperationException e) { throw new InvalidOperationException("Exactly one item with foo expected, none found", e); } Or: var item = list.SingleOrDefault(x => x.HasFoo); if (item == null) ...

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Q: When to use .First and when to use .FirstOrDefault with LINQ?

Metro SmurfI've searched around and haven't really found a clear answer as to when you'd want to use .First and when you'd want to use .FirstOrDefault with LINQ. When would you want to use .First? Only when you'd want to catch the exception if no results where returned? var result = List.Where(x => x ...

lol, as much as I hate this place my boss is pretty awesome, he's brought cakes in cos it's his birthday and someone complained about there being nothing healthy and he just says "Sorry Mary, no weight watchers in January." xD
3
everyone loves birthday cakes!!
HEY
I JUST MET YOU
AND THIS IS CRAZY
FUUUU this song just turned up on the radio
Now I'll have it in my head for the rest of today
@action this is the only radio you need: ah.fm/player
12:43
BUT HERE'S MY NUMBER
SO CALL ME MAYBE
I now think of that dude in drag when that song comes up.
@Billdr nice one
Much better this @StuartBlackler thanks
"Call me maybe" got brought up and code I expected to work failed. Time to slit my wrists. see ya.
It was nice knowing you @Billdr
Can I have your bike?
(before any German steals it)
no rest for the wicked! Im off again to uni to go and revise for this other module i have tomorrow. Luckily its my last one.
Please have beers ready for when i finish tomorrow, i will need it!
See ya
12:51
cu later
I'll go too, have some work to do (bigger raise needed!)
@ActionHank Yea, did you get your review yet?
I can't believe you're all actually going to do some work
@Billdr He did
Did he get more monies?
@Billdr If you read up it'll all still be there somewhere
my interest is limited to what's on my screen currently.
12:56
He said he got an 8-9% raise
They said they're happy with his work but he's lacking with his education
So he's going to do his MCPD this year and is excited at the prospects of a much larger payrise
Can remember what was said a while back in chat, cannot remember what I did yesterday.

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