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@PaulMcG hmm, I don't know, I feel like using unix.SE would be better
reusing your two example: for the ssh port one, using "ssh port" as search query and the first result of that being: unix.stackexchange.com/a/276502/409852 minus the additional port flag, it's pretty straightforward
would have probably been better if I used a search engine instead of SO/SE search, but It's good enough here
hmm, for the docker one, I might admit defeat, since there isn't too many good result on unix.SE...
at that point, you could just make or use existing snippet/oneliner manager, such as github.com/maaslalani/nap or making your own with fzf/tmux: gist.github.com/gotbletu/538ffd9565bc38b5426dd9071ff1eecd
at the end of the day, It's already obvious how bad the result from the thing that shall not be named is, especially with things as finicky as commandline arguments/flags and specificities, that aren't documented and would only be known on some post on Unix.SE or some manpages (or through trial and error by user)
 
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02:58
@PaulMcG ChatGPT is notorious for being able to explain algorithms that it can't actually perform. I think it needs to have some kind of recursive introspection ability. Simply feeding its output back into its input gives it a bit of introspection, but that's not sufficient for anything that requires a more structured analysis.
@Braiam GPT-4 often does a better job than plain ChatGPT-3.5, but it still has the same flaws intrinsic to GPT, so (for example), as you noted earlier, it can explain the method needed to solve a problem even though it is incapable of actually using that method. In my jigsaw analogy, that happens because it doesn't know what the words on the jigsaw mean, they're just pretty patterns. Here's a recent example of GPT-4 saying clever-sounding nonsense about matrices. scottaaronson.blog/?p=7209#comment-1949083PM 2Ring 4 hours ago
There's some discussion about this, with examples, in the Comments section of Aaronson's blog articles on GPT.
yeah, if something isn't defined or written in some way, shape or form (eg: synonyms, lemmatization, etc) then it won't ever be part of the output, unless it is an "error" caused by matching statistical properties (or as some people call it, hallucination...). It all depends on it's training dataset and the way it match against it (and your prompt)
the training set is also probably not sanitized to prevent fallacies (it does contain wikipedia and SO content, if that can hint at anything), so this add even more to this
That's not quite true. It can generate stuff that wasn't in its training data, or the prompt, as long as the token sequence probabilities are high enough. Of course, such results can be true, false, or silly nonsense, and GPT can't tell the difference.
that's what I'm saying. As you say, even if say, "cat are also a good friend to Humans" isn't ever used as a sentence or meaning in the entirety of the dataset, it can still be part of the output, even if the prompt never ask or verbatim mention something related to it. That's what i meant earlier by "it all depends on it's training dataset and the way it match against it"
my own guess though is, the probability of something being part of the output is higher if it's part of the dataset, verbatim (eg: like a portion of the Python docs for example).
Even if you retrained it from scratch with perfectly sanitized training data that only contained correct info, GPT could still generate silly output from it. Douglas Hofstadter gave this cute example decades ago in Gödel, Escher, Bach, while discussing the valid rules of inference. Input: 1. Politicians lie. 2. Cast iron sinks. Output: Politicians lie in cast iron sinks.
I already mentioned on the meta room before that I had a some success (4 or 5 posted) in finding original source for some of the output. It's hard now since this was done on older version of chatgpt (probably because of some internal change or the prompt they use on their end, etc): meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/422499/…
@PM2Ring yep, I didn't say that verbatim, but I did say "it depends" :P But I think I may just be exaggerating, you're right
03:38
@NordineLotfi I don't think there's much value in looking for sequences in the source data that match ChatGPT output. Sure, some of those sequences may have a high probability of being regenerated, but ChatGPT cannot distinguish such sequences from novel sequences that it generates. OTOH, when GPT can access the Internet (eg Bing Sydney, or ChatGPT Plus with an internet plugin), it should use that to identify sources (when it can) so that it can give valid attribution & references for its output.
except when ChatGPT cannot find the correct citation it can still generate one, and will phrase it in a way that it is a definitive citation anyway
03:50
Well, sure. Checking its output against the internet helps, but it's not foolproof. And of course checking everything would have a big impact on performance speed and resource use.
From twitter.com/studentactivism/status/… : "Because if ChatGPT is, as it seems to be, a consummate bullshitter, it's also—definitionally—a bullshitter who doesn't know when its bullshitting. And we all know that that's the most dangerous kind." — PM 2Ring Dec 18, 2022 at 17:33
 
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@PM2Ring yeah, but I thought this was interesting. Also, I don't think it can ever reliably "access internet", unless we see it that way if companies out there just use search result, and append that to each prompt input from the user internally, and call it that "accessing internet"...but I think I'm getting caught up in semantics here, anyway
@PM2Ring yeah, but the bigger problem I see is, unless it's unique enough (like in the four example I provided in the link above) you won't find it verbatim. There is also the probability of it being changed but similar to original sources, thanks to lemmatization, and whatnot.
11:10
I thought USB was the worst designed plug, but after spending money on new headphones only to realize that the audio cable wasn't completely plugged in, I may have to reconsider
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@Aran-Fey soz, I have to call you out here; I genuinely loved the audio jack once I realised the plastic ring isolated each earpiece. It's no washing machine (still my favourite everyday appliance) but I think it's pretty cool
I have found... my people. I daren't look to washing machine enthusiasts because I can sit and watch the thing itself, let alone enthuse about it online
 
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Hi everyone, im making a tkinter app, and im using 'self.root.state('zoomed')' to make the window fullscreen (except for the title and task bar). The problem is that when I add 'self.root.resizable(False, False)', the window suddenly covers the taskbar. Anyone got any idea why/how to fix? Much appriciated!

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