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@Code-Apprentice that doesn't seem like an accurate dupe to me. the link seems to be specifically about avoiding the content of nested tags, and there isn't one here
 
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08:24
cbg o/
Trying to install this cocoapi/PythonAPI but getting this error AttributeError: type object 'Distribution' has no attribute '_finalize_feature_opts'
my setuptools version is 65.3.0 and in above api, setuptoolversion is set to >=18.0. So that shouldn't be a problem, I think?
09:18
I have a tree whose nodes correspond to geographic coordinates & would like to represent it on the world map, for instance, via folium. I can do this either directly with folium map by adding points & lines in pre-order, or constitute a couple of separate geodataframes using geopandas with shapely Points & LineStrings, then explore them on thefolium map. Which approach is good practice? Are there more appropriate tools in Python for graph representation on map?
09:45
Is it possible to specify setuptools version when creating virtual environment?
I don't think so, but it should be using an old one unless you explicitly update it.
10:20
On my system global one is 45.2.0, however with venv package it becomes 65.3.0
11:15
cbg
I was scraping a website and I got the output from the website as
The purpose of an Entry widget is to let the
      user see and modify a single line of
      text.
Is there anyway to remove all those spaces up? Cleaning it? I use bs4
I often do ' '.join(text.split())
What's the HTML code around that text?
Something like:
<p>
      The purpose of an <code class="code">Entry</code> widget is to let the
      user see and modify a <span class="emphasis"><em>single</em></span> line of
      text.
    </p>
So the space from the left is naturally in the text, yes?
Yep, thats how print() shows it and if you mean the space in the tag, then yea too, thats how dev tools show it up
11:28
HTML has no rules concerning white space
Well isn't that just grand
I bet :P
Seems like I will have to do it the dirty way and strip out the whitespaces manually
yep, basically treat it like a string with too many spaces. use regex or whatever as you see fit
 
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12:53
@KarlKnechtel Thanks for the feedback. Maybe one of the others I linked in comments is a better dupe
@Code-Apprentice I linked all three questions in the dupe, so hopefully the OP will find their answer somewhere in there.
13:14
Is it just me or are sound volumes a complete mess? My Windows sound volume is only at 10/100, and yet a lot of games and videos blow my ears off. And videos on the internet vary from "barely audible" to "causes permanent hearing loss"
@Aran-Fey IIRC there is an option for "sound equialization" which fixes some of this. Effectively, it boosts the quiet videos to a reasonable level, so you can set a single volume that is more-broadly applicable
In my use case, I had it turned on just so that I could play YT videos a max volume even when the recording was quiet, but I think it does help with normalisation of sound levels in the general case
Is that a Windows setting? Where can I find that?
13:29
I'm pretty sure roganjosh means to say "sound normalization" and the setting can be found by googling "how to normalize sounds windows X"
I'd be more helpful if I could but i've been on *nix for some time now . . .
I don't have this "Enhancements" tab in my audio settings :(
I'm pretty sure I remember Windows 7 having bass boost and loudness optimization somewhere in the sound settings
Near where* you can set the sound to sound like in a church, bathroom, etc
Also if your soundcard has an App like Dolby or Realtek, it should have it
Good tip, I found it in the Realtek Audio Console
...which I never installed, but never mind that
It's the least they can do for bloating up your computer, lol
Volume sliders in general are a tricky UI element because human perception of loudness doesn't correspond linearly with objective decibel levels
13:39
Make a setting available for something that the hardware/driver should have taken care of by itself
Volume sliders could be linear and people would still fail at implementing them properly. Just look at the number of games that start out with maxed volume
For one thing, decibels are a logarithmic scale. Every volume slider that represents itself as a triangle that gets taller as you go left to right, should instead be a swiftly rising curve
If you have a slider, put the default value somewhere in the middle dangit
@Kevin I was about to suggest a circle that grows, but a curve sounds better
But yes, even if the physics and biology of sound were easy, we'd still have plenty of cruddy UIs
13:42
Kind of like knobs in mixing tables
This one goes to 11
I always wanted to understand the volume percentage, as in: in regards to what? The volume of something in the speakers? That doesn't seem right
My TV has an unusual sound system. Volume 0 is silent, volume 10 is quiet, volume 20 is comfortable. So far, so good. Volume 30 is, as far as I can tell, exactly identical to volume 20. And likewise for 40 and 50 and 60.
I have a chrome plugin that supposedly boosts the sound levels to 600 %, it works on some sources (as in, I can feel the amplification going steadily), with other sources, the amplification stops mid range
With sound equalization turned on, I had to turn my volume down to 5/100. It's been enabled for a whole of 5 seconds and I'm already worried
13:47
If my AC kicks into high gear while I'm watching TV, the dialogue gets drowned out and I have no recourse except to turn on closed captions
Usually I just shrug and think "I can probably figure out what's going on with only visual clues"
"They're talking... She looks angry... Oh, she stabbed him. I'm going to guess he was cheating on her"
On the plus side, you can at least still hear the action scenes
Ah yes, the classic "whisper-quiet dialog, window-rattling sound effects" effect
See also: the "whisper-quiet TV show, window-rattling commercials" effect
I understand the american school of thoughts for dramatic whispering, but it is so annoying, sometimes. I remember a couple of occasions where I yelled at the actor to f*cking enunciate
Then the commercials, which sometimes are the real jump scares
Audio volume levels were much more uniform back in the analog days. They had to be, because excessively loud recorded sound would play back distorted, and could even cause mechanical difficulties on record players. So sound engineers would carefully adjust the dynamics to try & get the best sound without causing unwanted distortion.
CDs & digital audio software allow a much greater dynamic range, and there's no industry-wide standard, although studios / recording companies generally have in-house standards. Audio creation & mixing software gives you control over dynamics, but people don't necessarily know how to use it properly. Or they don't care, and want to turn everything up to 11.
I would describe this message as "wildly tangential", but those of you interested in sound/music may find this to be neat dead.net/deadcast/bonus-bear-drops-whats-bears
13:55
I would prefer hammy stage whispering where the actor leans towards the audience and speaks their line with normal volume, or perhaps louder. The other characters can't hear him because he blocks their view of his mouth with his hand.
The commercials aren't necessarily that much louder than the programs, but the programs tend to use more dynamic compression, and the commercials use a wider dynamic range, so you get a kind of acoustic illusion that the commercials are more intense.
@PM2Ring there were actually sound engineers. Nowadays the budgets are so low that I have to play sound engineer with my remote while watching a show on netflix. It's so annoying
Netflix sounds are really, really annoying
I've been thinking for some time "this is just broken". I'm glad it's not just me calling Netflix out on this
@Kevin e.g: Bugs Bunny, and Duffy Duck, lol
No it's just, how low can we go with shows, but there have been numerous shows from them with really bad sound
13:58
<barely audible conversation> BANG BANG BANG <back to whispering>
yeah, you have to watch with the remote in hand, no joke
@PM2Ring I see
@Hakaishin Fair point. And I expect that modern sound engineers are simply not as about this stuff as thd old guys who worked with analog... unless they're into retro technology & vinyl.
@dhiaagr I was thinking the bad guy from Dover Boys but yeah, same production company.
Hahaa
14:01
Oh nice, the whole thing is viewable on Wikipedia. Hooray for public domain.
Ironically, I have to put Wikipedia's media player's volume slider down to 5% to get a comfortable volume
Back in the 70s, one of my friends had a very good hi-fi system. He had a record of Tchaikovsky's 1812 symphony that included real cannon shots in the finale. The record cover had a prominent warning on the back that you had to play the record with the tone arm set to its maximum weight, otherwise the cannon shots could cause the needle to jump, which would damage the record and possibly also damage the needle.
I can pinpoint the precise stage whisper I was thinking of. 4:56 -- "A runabout. [loudly] I'll steal it. [very loudly] No one will ever know"
I think you are referring to a soliloquy.
Looking up the formal definition... Yes, I'd say so
Argh. I meant "simply not as aware about this stuff "
14:12
@Kevin One of the best cartoons, I've watched. Top notch quality all around*
I can see what inspired creators I like from National Lampoon to Adult Swim all around
I didn't know it even existed, thanks, man
To be, or not to be calls itself a soliloquy. Peculiarly, footnote "a" says "Though it is called a soliloquy, Hamlet is not alone [because Ophelia is also on stage]". I don't know why this note is necessary, because most soliloqies I can think of happen while other actors are doing unimportant little things in the background, or stand frozen in time
A classic example is the "To Be or Not To Be" soliloquy in Hamlet. The informal definition is something like: "A character speaks their thoughts to the audience audibly, but not to other characters around them"
Ha, timing (for the late, kevin and I sent our messages at the same time)
When I write a message in here that is entirely inside a parenthesis, you may imagine that I am stage whispering with unnecessary loudness
@PM2Ring Reminds me of the chapter of Godel Escher Bach where the protagonist buys a record titled "this will destroy any ACME brand record player". Sure enough, it causes his record player to fall apart after a second of play time.
The record does nothing to Ajax brand record players. I think it's a metaphor about Gödel's incompleteness theorems.
Oh so it has a better name than just "breaking the fourth wall", good to know. Does it apply to when an author addresses the reader, through a character or simply directly, in the middle of a novel?
I don't even remember reading a western novel that has what I'm describing. It must be an Arabic literature renaissance thing
There's the Thank you very much, in the very beginning of the very first Harry Potter novel which made me irritated because I felt the author was emulating H2G2. But it isn't quite the same thing
There's a single chapter in the 7-book Dark Tower series where Stephen King stops narrating and addresses the audience directly for maybe four pages.
14:27
Jesus, was it painful to sift through, lol? Because it's mind numbing when the authors I read did it
Forewords and special thanks pages are usually written in a non-narrative way. Plenty of examples of those
@dhiaagr I think it works, in the particular context.
@Kevin Yep. The record has to be tailored to the phonograph. And (of course) it's the same principle as the proof of Turing's Halting theorem.
I see. Well, the cases I'm talking about are just plain boring and unnecessary
I believe The Hobbit has a part where Bilbo is in a life-or-death situation, and Tolkien reassures the audience that he'll survive mostly intact, because it would be a short book otherwise
That's actually quite funny, lol
14:30
It's a children's book, can't be giving them too many emotional scars
Chuck Palahniuk's narrators were usually entertaining, especially for the angsty too cool for school teenager I was
You may be thinking of the barrow-wights in LOTR? But there are similar scenes in the hobbit.
There's a difference between the author / narrator addressing the audience, and a character addressing the audience. Only the latter is considered to be breaking the 4th wall. OTOH, it gets fuzzy when the protagonist is also the narrator.
True
I remember hating the monologue from The Fountainhead. I flipped forward a couple pages and saw that the character just kept talking and talking. I think I gave up on the book at that point.
14:33
But a soliloquy isn't (usually) breaking the 4th wall. It's the character thinking out loud.
In the case I have in mind, Taha Houcine, a prominent egyptian writer, stopped the narration in the middle of a scene, then went on a rant on some stuff from his own past
@PM2Ring Oh I see, I missed that nuance, I admit
I think I've seen a couple of rants like that, myself
Indeed it is easy for them to be boring and unnecessary
Exactly so
Good writers keep the narration to a minimum, or at least make it entertaining. Mark Twain liked to narrate, but his narrator doesn't get in the way of the story, he's like a companion sharing the story with you, not a school master trying to instruct you.
I loved Huckleberry Finn. French writer George Sand also does right in not using the narrator as a meritless exposition mean
14:49
I originally read Huckleberry Finn when I was a bit too young (I got it as a birthday or xmas present when I was 8 or so). Fortunately, we studied it in senior high school, when I was old enough to appreciate it much more deeply. But I think it'd be hard for a modern reader to truly pick up on everything that Twain put in that book.
Stephen King's chapter breaks the fourth wall, to the extent that he gives the audience a capitalized name. "An ending is a closed door no man can open. I've written many... And so, my dear Constant Reader, I tell you this: ..."
Maybe. But IMO the narrator is on the same side of the 4th wall as the audience, so no breaking is required.
I flipped through The Hobbit and I couldn't find the passage I was thinking of. But I did see an instance or two of the narrator using "we" to refer to himself and the reader. Keeping it casual.
Fourth walls are admittedly a bit hard to pin down in The Dark Tower, since it describes a multiverse encompassing multiple realities. The Stand and IT are strongly implied to be part of the multiverse. And our own mundane universe, of course.
15:07
Rick and Morty play very nicely with the fourth wall
A well-known example in cinema: Ferris Bueller's Day Off. "You're still here? The movie's over, go home"
I like the way Deadpool play with fourth wall and monologue. It's probably a bit cringe/repetitive in the movies, but the comics really show a colorful variety.
Escher's Print Gallery, animated
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wait, it's the same person who made the "Drawing hands" :o I was about to mention how it reminded me of that before I noticed the name
15:23
Sadly, Escher passed away before we had computers which can do that stuff. But I'm sure he would've been pleased to see people playing with his work like that.
^ The original
 
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@PM2Ring Do you ever marvel at the mental ability he must had to visualize these things?
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