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@wim that's pretty cool. I wrote a pretty bad hack about how to import multiple versions of the same lib a while ago gist.github.com/a-recknagel/15811a7b68afbe10e5c6864ed7e56db2
@roganjosh did I mention Vienna ?
@JonClements you haven't. My first thoughts were Ultravox :)
oh yeah... that's a good Vienna for sure though :p
Actually, I'm definitely tucking that one away in memory. Nice suggestion! Have I given you The Four Tops - Simple Game before?
21:39
@roganjosh there's quite a few tracks on Joel's first album (that are probably some of the best he's done before popular)... "Cold Spring Harbor"... try: youtube.com/…
@JonClements bit close to the bone for me, that. I'd rather something like thunder
wim
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maybe you guys could make a music chat room, it's reoccurring a lot and not really of much interest to the rest of the Python room I think
@roganjosh Tomorrow Is Today is nice... but perhaps even more "close to the bone"
@wim nothing wrong with idle chat - keeps it alive with actual people as part of a community nattering away until Python stuff turns up
@wim oki doki but it leaves the room dead of chat?
It's not like Sunday's buzzing with life and we can't see all the interesting python discussions for the music chat
21:48
We also had a protracted conversation about speeding up a numpy calculation earlier. I'm not sure what you're expecting
wim
wim
the numpy thing is fine because it's on-topic and other people interested in numpy might want to jump in
So, silence otherwise?
wim
wim
no, a quieter low-traffic room is ok?
But there is nothing but this music discussion
guess this is something that can be raised at the GM
wim
wim
21:49
personally I usually review what's been discussed in the room over the weekend or days I've missed
I'm happy to stop. But you'll be left with whatever every else is discussed, being nothing
the status quo is that many regulars enjoy music and music-related discussions
@wim fair, I see that point
wim
wim
it literally says in the rules
Ask about Python. Go to a relevant room to ask about other languages or topics, even if that room is less active.
Those are directed at random people coming here. We are always lenient with problems of regulars. Makes all the difference.
21:51
This should be on-topic: I've got to come up with some "What's new in Python 3" training for people who are nearly able to stop worrying about Python 2 compatibility - what are your faves?
@AaronHall f-strings
wim
wim
I don't mind a little bit of off-topic banter but when it's between the same two people again and again that might be better served in a private discussion or in a room where it was the room topic
@AaronHall print is a function and can be passed around like a first class citizen.
@AndrasDeak yeah my top one! I've been using them in training now already...
@wim I am not disagreeing with you
21:53
@Dair future import allows that though
@Dair well yes, but we've done a lot of "how to write Python 3 compatible code" training already, and print functions are in that mix. Think new features that would break Python 2.
@AndrasDeak Ok, what about you don't have to import from future to get print as a func. :P
works for me :P
anyway, rerbrb for a while
wim
wim
the future import print is lacking some features (e.g. flush=True doesn't work)
I want to do annotations (with the future import) but we're not committing to bringing in Mypy yet...
Is there value in that anyways? Docstrings and docs?
wim
wim
21:57
I think it's still kinda controversial and opinion-based whether annotations add value or not.
I want to argue that they do when your code is supposed to be documented and used by other people.
Do I get into the typing module though?
wim
wim
the typing module is such a trainwreck that it might turn more people off than attract them !
As long as you only use it for annotations, there isn't really anything wrong with it, is there?
wim
wim
personally I can see use-cases where annotations can be awesome (framework stuff) but most of the time the types are obvious from the code anyway so the annotations are just adding noise.
Once you start inheriting from Generic[T] then things get questionable, sure
22:05
@AaronHall also some gems like head,*rest = iterable
let's not forget 0-argument super
wim
wim
I don't care much for syntax sugar
fundamental things like no implicit conversions between bytes and text is a huge win for me though
the biggest seller is that many 3rd party libs already dropped support for py2
0-argument super actually enables some poorly written class decorators that replace the class with another class or a function ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
wim
wim
so, you're gonna miss out on every improvements and bug fixes in 3rd party libs
You guys think I provided enough context for a question I posted? Should I have added a pastebin with more data,etc.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58793377/generate-a-heatmap-that-imputes-from-a-value-of-a-scatterplot
wim
wim
22:15
looks good to me
that plot i posted there, before I'd accidentallly lefy a column of data I was suppose to cull from my regressor and it made this shape
(for people who are privy to this chart they'll know its not actually a regressor but I just wanted to simplify for a sec)
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22:42
@roganjosh this one is also great
@AndrasDeak yeah I like that
@wim this is a captive audience - and they don't have much control over their platform, so I don't have to sell them on it, but yes, they're getting more and better libs.
23:20
@AaronHall class Foo:
23:36
@Skyler pastebin and other off-site resources are frowned upon due to bit rot concerns
I mean link rot
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