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03:29
@AnttiHaapala you know any good CRUD framework for pyramid?
I'm looking at cornice but it doesn't seem nearly as full featured as something like django rest framework
it should be able to autogenerate the list and detail views from a sqlalchemy model, bare minimum...
@wim I thought you meant crud, as a word, which means nonsense... :-)
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CRUD is webapp lingo for "Create, Read, Update, and Delete"
which is POST GET PUT/PATCH DELETE in http ..
Yeah, i searched it up and got a result on Quora saying the same thing
:-)
Does PGP/PD stand for POST GET PUT/PATCH DELETE :-)
@wim Antti Haapala isn't here
Last seen 18 hours ago
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yeah I get it. chat is async.
Lol :-)
 
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05:39
Ugh
06:11
For those interested in the XKCD emoji battle, there are several results viewers linked in the comic forum thread
06:31
@U9-Forward "crud", as a word, does not necessarily mean "nonsense". That's just a derivative meaning. Its primary meaning is "a substance which is considered unpleasant or disgusting, typically because of its dirtiness". Also, "a deposit or incrustation of filth, grease, or refuse".
06:48
I'm finding it very hard to evoke interest or excitement for an emoji battle... is it just me?
it probably is. My stance has always been as so
If I had to pick one, it'd be 💩 but from what I gather from the chat transcript here, that's out of the running already.
@coldspeed Nah, I don't care for it either
07:13
cbg
@PM2Ring Yeah, i just searched up crud and the second result just said "nonsense", otherwise it is what you said.
07:27
@AndrasDeak Are you doing okay? :P
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@coldspeed Lol, I am doing okay, but not Andras
@U9-Forward Maybe you should consider sharing those good vibes with people having a bad day... Here's an RSS feed link: chat.stackoverflow.com/feeds/search/Ugh
@coldspeed Ugh, (i am using it now), i don't know how to open that file...
So few python question that i can answer these days. well, but a few days ago i got 230 rep
07:45
Use an RSS feed service...
If you have a mac, you can use RSSBot, download from the App store. Otherwise, you're on your own :( (well, you can use your browser. But I don't know how to do that.)
I have a Windows
08:00
rbrb
Rhubarb
What is rbrb?
cbg
@AndrasDeak rbrb according to google. and if google says something, it must be true.
08:28
hello i have posted a question in starckoverflow....i need some advice about "dirty" datasets to clean it and make a assignment....any ideas ??
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Q: Some advice in dirty datasets for cleaning

Eduardo GutierrezI have to make a project in my master degree about cleaning a formating data. So i need some advice about dirty datasets and what can i do to clean it. So i have been googleing and what i found are lots of "clean" datasets. Or some dirty datasets with only some missing values... So it would be g...

Let me elaborate: Click this link and read the stuff that's written there
08:52
sorry
@EduardoGutierrez What Aran-Fey said. However, your question is likely to get closed because it's too broad, and also because resource requests are off-topic. But it doesn't have any close votes yet.
Well i have some ideas and i post a question..but probably is better by chat
i need some ideas/resources of getting results from different resources so can clean and format data....for example metereological data taken from spanish observatory, barcelona observatory, european observatory...just to "join" and compare data
ive been thinking about price in petrol station of gasoline... for example in kuwait, spain, uk....something like that
thanks for your help...
09:28
@EduardoGutierrez Probably. It looks like your question will be closed soon. You could get some clean data sets & use random processes to create various dirty sets from them. That will make it easier to test how well your cleaning algorithms work.
How or what are this reandom processses have to do ? i dont understand
@EduardoGutierrez Randomly select data elements, and discard them, or add random errors to them.
 
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12:33
@U9-Forward POST, GET PUNCH, DELETE.
morning cabbage all
I didn't think I would spend as much time watching Emojidome as I have. Truly the competitive event of 2019 so far.
13:07
Style poll. In Accessing x+1 element with 'for x in list' in Python, I suggest that both next(file) and file.readline() are viable ways to advance a file pointer by one line in Python 3. But which one is preferable? Assume that I couldn't care less about writing 2.7-compatible code.
Can anybody suggest good python blog with explains like waitbutwhy stick figures. Have tutorials and assignments
I'd prefer readline - without even reading the question or your explanation, I (presumably) understand what your code snippet is doing from 'outfile', 'write', 'infile', 'readline' - you're writing a line (twice, I guess) from infile to outfile.
With 'next' I don't believe that meaning is so clear.
Same. That's why I'm disappointed that readline doesn't work in 2.7.
(if you use it while also iterating over the file in a for)
My disappointment at DNA beating floppy disc in Emojidome is sincere.
13:17
@Duck_dragon Nothing comes to mind. The Python community is still waiting for an iconoclast to upend our preconceived notions using funny cartoons.
@Kevin IIRC, it's advised to not mix direct iteration with .read, .readline, etc. But that might only apply to Py 2.
I'll do a doc search after I look at that question.
I begrudgingly added a state-machine-esque solution because I wasn't sure how advisable said mixing was. Now I'm working on a regex solution, which will be my final whack at this dead horse
13:32
@Kevin Just a thought, can we the people in this group (who are experts in a particular library) collab with some artists and start a blog. I am sure it will help some newbies link me to get the details in an interesting way. That way it will not be oversimplified and one can grab the concept a lot easier . I know there are lot of video courses but I am still waiting for someone who can amuse with the text.
*like
If I had unlimited time and gumption I would roll up my sleeves and write Kevin's Poignant Guide to Python, but alas I'm not in the right headspace to do it justice right now
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That blog is hilarious. The world does not need any more python guides, fortunately
Should I ever do so, I trust the room to provide an unlimited supply of Opinions about how I'm doing it wrong <3
How cool it would be if someone could train a machine learning model to draw stick figures based on some text. Guess I found a project to do.
Kevin, maybe you could just figure out how to upload knowledge into the human brain directly. The-automatic-instant-guide-to-boundless-python-wisdom
13:45
First we need to find some Python wisdom. All I've got in my head are memes and three gears arranged so that none of them can turn.
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Duck_dragon a picture is worth a thousand words so you'll need a bunch of text :)
yeah and I am not even good at writing **ditch another idea
Hey but you're probably good at drawing stick figures so you still have a shot
I wrote fifteen lines of prose for a thing yesterday and it took me about an hour and a half. Probably could have done with another couple of drafts, too.
@Duck_dragon I'm going to lose my morning to waitbutwhy, so funny
13:53
cbg
cbg
@Dodge it is. You should watch Tim Urban's TED. I found out about this blog after watching it. I even mailed him to thank for the great content he is giving out there
Let's see... appx 190 words over 90 minutes means I could write a novel in three years if I worked on it four hours a day every day.
the illustrious 2 WPM benchmark
Tim Urban has already made me want to buy a tortoise
You clicked the turtle, didn’t you
14:03
@Kevin Well the Lord of the Rings took 12 years, so 3 years seems fair for a longer work.
Let's see... the LOTR trilogy is 455,125 words. JRR had a full time job the whole time and didn't touch the manuscript during '43... I estimate his WPM at 0.47.
I wonder how that compares to GRRM
I suspect this is not the most useful metric of writing ability. It is known: "Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight". Perhaps this is also true of writing.
Perhaps to a lesser extent, because in programming you can have a eureka moment and write a clever ten line function that satisfies 90% of your goals, but in writing you can't make 90% of your chapters appear from thin air no matter how clever you are with a typewriter
14:23
Perhaps. The shortest tragedy story in English is only 6 words.
For Sale Baby Shoes Never Worn is a beautiful work, but because of my compromising morals, my goals include not just artistic integrity but also "it has to be at least half an inch thick or nobody will be able to see it when it's on the shelf at a bookstore"
I also know an 11 word mystery / horror story. There may be a shorter one.
Honorable mention to "The last man on earth sat alone in his room. There was a knock at the door"
And, in the same genre, "looks like we're the last two people on earth, m'lady"
@Kevin That's the one.
"Knock", is a science fiction short story by American writer by Fredric Brown. It starts with a short-short story based on the following text of Thomas Bailey Aldrich: IMAGINE all human beings swept off the face of the earth, excepting one man. Imagine this man in some vast city, New York or London. Imagine him on the third or fourth day of his solitude sitting in a house and hearing a ring at the door-bell! Fredric Brown condensed this text to "a sweet little action story that is only two sentences long". "Knock" then goes on to elaborate on those two sentences and build a more complete plot...
14:31
my door bell rings several times a day during the rainy season, every time I open my door and no one to be found. One day I found the water gets seeped inside the switchboard that causes the bell to ring.
Honorable mention part 2 to "The last man on earth sat alone in his room. There was a lock on the door"
s/lock/sock
@Kevin In my teens, I read a hilarious story by Fredric Brown: Placet is a Crazy Place
In the emojidome, it's neck & neck between the hedhehog and the science gal.
14:51
The emojis should lay down their arms and use ZERO WIDTH JOINER to merge into one super-emoji, and overthrow their human oppressors
m8_
m8_
15:10
Hey, if I have a dictionary of dataframes, is there a simple way to loop over the dict and add a column to each df?
for df in my_dataframes.values(): insert statement here that adds a column to df
Maybe you're thinking "aw, a for loop? Can't I do it with a list comprehension? Those are cool". I suppose you could, but it wouldn't be idiomatic. The ideal list comprehension does not have any side effects, and mutating a dataframe is a side effect.
@m8_ Do you know how to iterate over the items in a dictionary? It is a bit different than a list but not by much (speaking about syntax only)
If you were in a functional programming mood, you could use a dictionary comprehension to create a new dictionary that has new dataframes which are identical to the old dataframes except they have new columns. But that uses twice as much memory and may be hilariously inefficient.
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@Kevin, thanks! I just forgot the .values() in my loop
@Dodge, just got schooled by the Kevin.
get used to it lol
15:16
I am forever mildly annoyed that iterating over a dict yields only its keys. I'm sure there are very good reasons that this is the case, but it violates my intuition every time.
you could also do for key, df in my_dataframes.items(): or ...
for key in my_dataframes:
  df = my_dataframes[key]
okay maybe it is not different than a list. I just always use .items()
suppose you have a dictionary initialized like this:
d = {'a': 1, 'b': 2}
then you can roughly think of items returning a list of tuples:
[*d.items()]
# [('a', 1), ('b', 2)]
which is roughly the same as:
[*zip(d.keys(), d.values())]
Basically I want to live in a world where ["foo", "bar", "baz"] and {0: "foo", 1: "bar", 2: "baz"} are functionally identical for as many non-mutating operations as possible
We do not live in that world because for x in obj: print(x) prints foo and bar and baz for the former, and it prints 0 and 1 and 2 for the latter
["foo", "bar", "baz"].items()
(-:
15:25
If enumerate did not already exist, I would campaign in favor of list.items()
@Kevin Well, it means that there's consistency for the two usages of in as applied to dicts. for k in mydict: and if k in mydict:
Golf that. What is the shortest way to make the dictionary dict(enumerate(a)) for a list a
ok so I was correct in my original statement, phwew
15:44
A list with items
_l = type(
    "list_with_items", (list,),
    {'items': lambda self: dict(enumerate(self)).items()}
)

_l(a).items()
I am disappointed we did not end up with female scientist vs space but somehow I expect space will beat the hedgehog.
@Kevin If I had unlimited time and gumption, I'd roll up my sleeves... that's it, just roll up my sleeves.
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Rolled up sleeves are In so that's definitely something you should spend your gumption on
In a recent question, OP has 99 problems and I wrote an answer fixing the first one, with the intention of editing the rest in later. But then they commented "works great, thanks". I don't know how this is possible.
15:59
I think very low rep users just want to get some feedback and the chance to get some points by accepting. They might not want to draw any more attention to the post.
Other times OPs have 99 problems but aren't aware of 98
wim
wim
🦔 is kicking butt
hey anyone good with pyqt?
When I started using the site I felt, in some ways, like I was a mortal interacting with gods (sounds lame I know) so my first interactions were always “Thank you so much, that’s awesome!” before I honestly allowed myself to process answers or feedback.
@wim Space won!
16:14
@Rockstar Im decent at it
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse Can you look into this question stackoverflow.com/questions/55432367/…
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I had no idea MILKY WAY emoji was so popular
@wim They were calling it space? NB 🌌 is how it displays for me?
@toonarmycaptain They were. I prefer the version that looks like a spiral galaxy.
@Rockstar You could try doing your hello() function in a thread
And when you close the app you terminate the thread
16:22
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse Can you try answering the question there i dont know much about threads. Will look into it now
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aka
🌌 Galaxy
🌌 Night Sky
🌌 Space
🌌 Stars
🌌 Universe
I think MILKY WAY is the official unicodedata name though
That's awfully human-centric
wim
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SPACE was already taken by a much more boring ascii character
The aliens over in Andromeda will never adopt unicode with all of the anthrobias it's showing
@wim It is.
16:26
Obviously it should be GALAXY. We're also going to need modifiers for the various morphological classifications.
I need to be able to convey the very specific mood I feel when looking at lenticular galaxies in particular
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Female Galaxy Medium-Light Skin Tone with Probing Cane
In a few billion years, it'll be obsolete, when we merge into Milkdromeda.
Heh
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I would like also MILKY WHEY for the cheese byproduct
16:34
@Rockstar does pressing 'q' currently work?
Yes it closes the webcam instance (not the application) in the original code. But the guy who answered in the comment provided code which even closes the application.
@Rockstar How do you know the instances arent closing? It doesn't let you connect again?
@Rockstar I dont think its a Qt issue I think its a camera issue. Try implementing your camera like this: stackoverflow.com/a/11449901/8150685
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse When I click the "start" button from the PyQt application it starts the running the webcam instance using openCV in an infinite loop. I programmer the webcam instance to terminate only when the user presses 'q' (we can assign any button we like). When i am closing the PyQt application by using the 'X'(close) button the application is getting successfully terminated but still i am able to see the webcam frames getting displayed.
@Rockstar ahhh. So just to clarify. q works as inteneded but if you close the application with x it doesnt free the resource
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse Yes
16:46
That MOMENT, when the whole system turns on, and items are flowing through the system queues and you have to wait to debug the last of them, and you don't know if there are any, its that tipping point. Where you know within a short time if not already a new phase of development / milestone has been achieved.
@Rockstar okay one sec
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse and the link you pressed i think its pretty much same code except some good exception handling and instead of using 'q' they are using 'Esc'
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse Doesn't ur threading solution which u have said earlier work?
@Rockstar Not for your problem. See my new solution. I think the issue is if you press 'x' you arent freeing the camera
This class may be able to fix that
17:01
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse ok looking into it
Ah, good old "getting commentless downvotes for giving a coherent and correct answer to a low quality question"
yep yep.
Cleanse me with your disapproval
sprinkle sprinkle cbg
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse Thanks buddy. Made some changes to the code based on my requirement and everything is working fine.
17:10
@Rockstar If you tell me the changes I can fix the answer to match your solution. Then you can mark it as an answer
Let me give the benefit of the doubt to my downvoters. It might be because my answer corrected the logic error, but in the simplest way possible, which did nothing to correct the style problems all over the place.
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse Join this i pasted the code here pythontutor.com/…
I still don't consider that a good reason to downvote, but that puts them a few pegs higher in my esteem
@Kevin which question?
@Rockstar it didnt paste...
Try repl it python 3.
IMHO, keeping the OP's code that exhibits poor style is tolerable. Keeping buggy code, with the excuse that the OP didn't ask about those parts of the code, isn't tolerable.
17:19
@PM2Ring I would say that explaining what you've changed and why is a minimum if you're going to post changed code, so that it's clear what was part of the solution to the question asked, and what was necessary but unrelated to said question.
I don't want to link to it, since then it will look less like "I'm venting about this small irritation" and more like "I'm fishing for pity upvotes". And in any case I shouldn't linger over the event any longer than I need to
But even in the latter case, I'd mention it in a comment, and give them time to fix it before downvoting.
Hmm. Do generators not have a way of determining whether they've terminated? I thought there was an is_closed attribute or something, but maybe I hallucinated it.
"Call next() on it and see if it raises a StopIteration" is a cromulent approach, but I seek the LBYL alternative
wim
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they have a thing
I have an answer about it somewhere...
17:22
@Rockstar Updated the answer. You can mark it as a solution now.
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse Cool thanks
@Kevin inspect.getgeneratorstate
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import inspect
`inspect.getgeneratorstate`
Ayyy
wim
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grrr
17:23
Excellent, independent verification
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GEN_CLOSED is the final state
Is that just a wrapper around calling next?
If this information is available in an existing answer, then maybe a hammering of Python and looping a generator is in order
wim
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no there is an attribute on the generator instance
oh, probably not then
ok
17:24
if generator.gi_frame is None:
    return GEN_CLOSED
From getgeneratorstate's source
Not that I'm inclined to tell OP that messing with inspect is the best way to resolve their specific problem
Sometimes you just have to EAFP
Hmm it occurs to me that it's impossible to determine whether a still-open generator has yielded its final value, because you'd have to solve the Halting Problem to do that.
def f():
    while random.choice((True, False)):
        yield 1
I called next() on this three times and got three ones. Is it finished? How the heck should I know?
Sometimes I wish a generator would only raise StopIteration once, and then some other more serious exception, like ISaidStopIterationAlreadyException - otherwise I just silently non-iterate when I'm really accessing the generator thinking it was something reiterable, like a list.
17:39
message box saying "you just don't know when to quit, do you?" followed by a segmentation fault
Better hope your CPU architecture doesn't support HCF
So timely! HCF was one of the April Fool's instructions in an April issue of Creative Computing way back when - also CRN (Convert to Roman Numerals), TAB (Throw Away Byte) and RPM (Read Programmer's Mind)
web.archive.org/web/20170908154113/https://… contains a mind-boggling amount of similar humorous instructions
I tracked this down a while ago when someone was mentioning HCF, not knowing it has been around a while. Disappointed that DWIM was not in the list.
Skimming through, I'm fond of JNL Jump when programmer is Not Looking and FLI Flash Lights Impressively
DCWPDGD Drink Coffee, Write Program, Debug, Get Drunk is less an instruction and more a life philosophy, but I dig it
Guys anyone know plt.setp(autotexts, size=8, weight="bold") alternative in iterms of ax (sub-plots)
17:48
I do not.
Here's DWIM's more passive aggressive cousin, YKWIM You Know What I Mean
If I use itertools.tee and advance one generator very far ahead of the other, then it will require substantial auxiliary storage. Is this still the case even after the less-iterated generator gets garbage collected?
The rough equivalent to tee implemented in tee's documentation keeps a reference to each generator's deque even after that generator has died. If this was the real implementation, I would say that the auxiliary storage hangs around as long as a single generator lives. But I don't know if the actual implementation works this way. C has access to deeper magicks.
18:07
@toonarmycaptain - you asked earlier, yes I'm registered for PyTexas
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@Kevin should be pretty easy to test it yourself
github.com/python/cpython/blob/… is basically opaque to me but I see mentions of weak references, which makes me vaguely hopeful that things can get freed in a timely manner
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tracemalloc is a very under-appreciated little gem in the stdlib docs.python.org/3/library/tracemalloc.html
I'll give it a shot.
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trap for young players: interactive repl sometimes keeps a ref hanging around in _, delaying __del__
18:18
trap for young players: using __del__
Ok, I did a tee on itertools.count(), advanced one generator by X, and took snapshots before and after deleting the non-advanced generator. The snapshots differ by 36 bytes when X is 10, 300 bytes when X is 100, 13.9 KiB when X is 1000, and 178KiB when X is 10,000. This leads me to believe that the auxiliary storage is indeed being deallocated when the generator is deleted.
Here is my work for the record, even though half of you can't get to it through your firewall
The memory usage isn't perfectly linear, which I'm going to blame on... Caching.
I always blame caching, but I might actually be right this time
wim
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dpaste works for me not pastebin though
I'll try to remember that. dpaste.com/1PAPWY1
m8_
m8_
18:53
GUYS! I figured out a thing
All on my own
BAM!
...sorry, a little excited over here
@PaulMcG Great :) See you there.
@m8_ I know the feeling.
Figuring things out is rad.
m8_
m8_
Indeed!
I like it enough that sometimes I figure things out for complete strangers.
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19:19
Cabbages. In a gunicorn app I want to redirect requests to certain resources to a login when they are not authenticated. I currently want to do that using the pre_request hook in gunicorn but can't figure how to return, or short circuit, the request from that method, when the conditions for redirection are met. Can the pre_request hook actually be used in that way? Is it actually a bad idea, and I'd be better doing that work in the handler that gunicorn launches for the request?
19:38
Anyone know the websockets API? Trying to figure out how to ingest data through websockets for a specified amount of time; the data ingest works fine but I would like to be able to specifically run it for 5 minutes or whatever and then have the process complete after that.
19:48
Also, conda has somehow wrecked my python installations:
mbp13:~ alkasm$ /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.7/bin/python3
Python 3.6.3 |Anaconda, Inc.| (default, Dec  5 2017, 17:30:25)
[GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Clang 4.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_401/final)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
What is up with that ^ ???
wim
wim
20:03
nuke it from orbit
I just reinstalled Python 3.7 and now it works
no idea how that ended up happening. It wrecked my virtual environments the other day too, I created a new virtual environment, activated it, and pip installs weren't installing into it...even though which pip showed the pip from the virtual environment.
Definitely need to nuke the whole thing.
Great, and now after reinstalling, activating my normal venv virtual environments doesn't point to the correct Python, so the packages aren't importing. heck.
brb like 2 hours, need to completely nuke and rebuild my life
good luck
ty, ima need it.
20:26
cbg
wim
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GvR license plate:
hedgehog lost?!
booo
I didn't care about the whole emoji thing until I learned this...
20:57
Anyone here good at pyqt5?
or pyqt
you may want to just ask anyways.
Well i have like 8 buttons and i am connecting clicked event of each button to same function. Now when the function gets triggered how do i tell which button got clicked in those 8 buttons
Any idea ?
I've noticed the key to posting successful answers to older questions is to have large, eye-catching titles. More so than the length of content
The click event should have an object attribute of the object that is associated with the event
What you are doing is pretty common practice, I think
Every button has same text. so which attribute will be helping to differentiate?
21:12
what do you need the differentiation for?
Well consider there are 8 rows with a combo box and button in each row so on button press in a row that rows combo box should be reset that is the functionality I am trying to implement
Im not a Qt expert, but this page shows how to connect callback functions to buttons: tutorialspoint.com/pyqt/pyqt_qpushbutton_widget.htm Looks like there is a QDialog.whichbtn method you can use
Thanks will look into it.
 
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22:41
Was wondering if anyone knows a clean way to reproduce this SQL join in Python/Pandas. This question dates from feb 8 and didnt receive a good answer yet. I looked in the rules and saw its allowed to post a question older than 48h, that didnt receive an answer. stackoverflow.com/questions/54591008/…
@Erfan indeed it is (allowed, that is)
for what it's worth I think your question is fine, it just somehow went under the radar
hopefully it'll get some more views now that it's bumped
@AndrasDeak Thanks for the information and response.
the one thing you could improve is to write two lines of python code that generates your example dataframe
but the pandas-savvy people will probably have no issue using what you have now
22:56
TIL
wow. Good job at not scrolling, SO chat/FF
it does that occasionally...
Oh man, I always get confused between the words "question" and "answer".
I think it's about messages not loading rather than scrolling
Yeah. I'm guessing that's the case. Probably my websocket went static or something
"Please edit your answer to include a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable Example"... under a question :|
22:57
until TIL
And the last two typos suggest that I should go to sleep. So rhubarb.
rbrb :)
@coldspeed pro-tip: "Please [edit] your post ..." is polyglot ;)
@AndrasDeak Thanks for the suggestion. I justed included copy and paste-able code to reproduce the dataframes.
ooh, that's super useful... I'm going to can that :D
23:16
hey guys. I've had an interview for an apprenticeship, and I've been given a choice of Level 3 Software Developer Technician and Level 4 Software Tester. Now... I've been coding for a past 5 months and obviously testing my code in the process of implementation, but never really thought about testing as a path to go.
programs:
I'm a bit torn to be fair! Is testing as exciting as dev? ;>
it is a necessary evil
@coldspeed you don't seem to be a fan :)
What's the best way to make a simple CLI (but uses external packages) installable? Like I can throw it in local with a shebang, but whats the better way to do it so that it runs inside a virtual environment just for that program?

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