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I also got caught in that pesky net :P
hmm, I think there's a uni VPN someplace, I never thought I'd have to use it
I'm disappointed....I think I'm starting to feel the limitations of 8GB RAM
which is really sad. I thought I could go longer.
what kind of device...?
MacBook Pro
Moore's Law stopped delivering useful gains to end-users once developers realized they didn't have to write tightly optimized software any more, since everything would double in eight months anyway and their junk code would be good enough
And that's why you have to sit through 10GB software updates every time you turn on your Xbox.
@idjaw download more... what are you doing with 8gb of ram ?
20:13
I think visual studio code is broked
20:29
@MooingRawr Docker, Chrome, PyCharm, Slack
you use PyCharm? interesting
personally yes
at work IntelliJ
I'm doing work stuff now, but working on open source stuff, so I'm working on my main laptop, which has a pycharm license
the math doesn't add up with the memory....something else must be causing these odd slow downs. Will have to investigate
I use sublime text personall and at work for python, but c# has to be done with visual studio -shudders-. I see... gotta hunt for those memories.
A bit unrelated career question: I'm having a contract with a company for a few weeks to see if I'm a good fit. They are paying me $x an hour. Should I expect final salary after this trial to be lower, higher or not changed?
no idea
depends what kind of position, what level you are being hired for
what you are currently making as a base, assuming that you have already held a permanent job
20:32
Well what are you running within docker? And are you on linux or OS X?
What would that matter? I'm guessing if they are hiring a junior for example they won't offer high salary even for a trial
@KevinMGranger I'm on OSX. Plus, what I'm currently using it for is so light weight
@idjaw Probably just restarting your MAC will help you solve a lot of problems.
I feel the same (everything stucks) when I don't restart my system for more than 2 weeks. After restarting, everything works smoothly
yeah...I think I'm going to end up doing that
@Tomas laos depends on if they like you, if you do a good job, if they want you around. If they really want you, higher, if you are avg and you fill the position maybe slightly higher or same, if they dont want you they wont hire you...
20:33
once I finish this round of refactoring. I'm merge conflict partying right now
Juniors gets paid less until they can prove themselves
Shouldn't the ratio for trial/permanent should be the same regardless of experience ?
If I were hiring, I would offer junior x% less for trial as well as x% less for permanent position.
No? Why would it ? It's business, if they want you they will give u a good offer, (want being u proved yourself or you have experience to back it up which helps prove yourself), if they dont like you they will try to give u the least amount they can to keep you happy.
Compared to experienced developer
I guess it depends on the company.
20:36
Why wouldn't they give me the least amount they can to keep me happy even if they like me ? ;D
Why not just ask them?
Isn't that how capitalism works?
my company hires junior at a cheap salary, and you can climb up to get raises. If you are experiences or highly recommended by a team member, you can start at a higher salary, if you are contract you get about the same as a junior even if your experience... contract work at my company is usually 8 months to 12 months.
Is that number written on your forehead?
@davidism I will, but by knowing what is the trend in the market I can have a better situation to negotiate.
20:38
don't market trends also differ in different parts of the world?
Trend in market also depends on your location..... For example SoCal pays more than say Canada Ontario... so asking us doesn't really matter to you (sigh got Kevin'd by Joe)
A salary in one part of the world does not equate to what it should be in another
standard of living and all that
btw @KevinMGranger Nothing else fancy with Docker, I'm using the standard python:3.5-onbuild
@MooingRawr I was asking for a different case. My case is, I do contract for a few weeks, if we all like each other, they hire me.
@Tomas It depends on lot of factors. One among it is How the senior manager thinks about their developer. Some think that the person with more experience is worth paying more. Some looks for talent in freshers and pay them handsome salary in order to keep them and train them as per their organization's skill set.
But experience always counts
shrug.txt
20:39
@Tomas you're asking random strangers from different locations and circumstances what the "trend in the market" is? Sorry, you're not going to get an answer more specific than what you've been getting, which is "it completely depends".
@MoinuddinQuadri you would have to pay me 7+ digits a year to work in India :D too hot and crowded :D + respect to those who can handle it.
@idjaw I'm not asking about absolute salary. I'm asking how much of a difference is it likely to be from a rate they pay me for a few weeks, and a regular rate for as long as I work for them.
@Tomas it completely depends
is it OK for me to say I want to go to India to eat? I really want to just eat everything.
20:41
@idjaw Naan and their flavored rice... mmmmmm
@MooingRawr seven digit yearly salary in INR is average salary over here if you are in goodish organization :)
oh there is so much more than that. A very good friend of mine introduced me to amazing Indian dishes. He was also vegetarian, so he also put a lot of thought in to all the spices he was using. It was incredible. Some of the best dishes I've ever had
@davidism How does it depend ? I'm not asking for absolute numbers :)
@MoinuddinQuadri so than 8 or 9 digits in INR :D I was talking in USD/CDN :D
hey @davidism if I walk outside right now without a jacket, is it going to be OK? Can you go check for me?
20:43
@Tomas it depends on the policies of the company, what they think about you, and what the weather is like the day they decide to hire you.
@Tomas If the place you are living is trending and competition to get coders are rare, they will pay more, if the place is over populated by coders who are willing to take the position the pay might be the same... factors like that.
You would have about as much luck consulting a crystal ball than consulting us. On the other hand, you could just ask them. Trust me, they won't care.
@idjaw Jokes on you, I know this answer. Also it's a really nice day today :D
How do you guys not understand what I'm asking lol
it's a beautiful day today
20:44
If everyone is x except you, maybe it's you that is x and not everyone... :(
I would almost shovel my balcony to sit outside...almost...but there is waaaaay too much snow on my balcony right now. I don't want to deal with that
@MooingRawr As per my guess, your expectation is more than what senior most employee in India office of my organization would be getting. Atleast the HR of my company is not going to hire you :P
It is far tooo much as per the Indian standard
@Tomas there can't be many reasons for that
10M inr = $149k
@idjaw Food over here is really nice. Given that you are ok with spices
20:46
Definitely OK with spices.
We eat too much spicy food and here is a lot of variety
@MoinuddinQuadri I know, I looked up your living cost, I'm just saying, too hot for a Northern fellow like me :( and too crowded
My friend liked to eat with me, because I was one of the only ones who could keep up with his level of spice
:P
Indian food is good
though I've not had it in India :D
There's this one Indian spice that my stomach can't handle, but it's only that spice and I don't know what it is... I can eat Indian food regularly and it's fine so long as I don't eat that spice. I wish I knew what it is :( eating those food is playing roulette with my stomach (It's not turmeric powder for sure)
20:48
@MooingRawr We already have too much population. Why would be someone be importing people that to at 10x cost? :P In india, companies can hire 10 talented people at the same cost
hmmm now googling Bengaluru street food
And Indian are talented by the way :P
@MoinuddinQuadri hey man, I'm not saying you guys should or not, or it will happen, or it's realistic, all I'm saying is my price to work in India is that. :D
@idjaw @AnttiHaapala The variety of chicken related dishes that you'll get over here is some thing which you won't find anywhere else
Though mostly foreigner complaint about upset stomach after they eat that food :P
haha
@MooingRawr BTW I don't have any issue in coming over there ;)
@MoinuddinQuadri mine would be upset for sure :D
yummy I could turn a veggie again with those
even @khajvah could be surprised
@AnttiHaapala You missed the main street food.
that was just one restaurant"
It is known as Aaloo tikki which is made from mashed potatoes. You can find it in stall like this
20:54
hehe
We have such stalls in almost every street :P
@MoinuddinQuadri How often / common do you eat at those stalls? I remember visiting Hong Kong, and they had stalls too, and I found myself loving those stall food more than restaurants...
say in VN the thing about stalls is, if they're moving, then I'd not necessarily want to eat at those :D
I'm so hungry right now
20:57
I am fond of such food, so I go over there at least once a week. Mostly people eat from there only once or twice a month. Girls love this food comparatively more
Adding to it, in India we have a lot too many varieties of sweet dish ... Yummy <3
that was some damn good sushi there :D
Japan's sushi stalls are no joke... also their ramen stalls mmmm
ah crap, I want to go to VN now
21:00
I ate sushi once, but I didn't liked its taste. May be the cook in restaurent doesn't know how to cook it. But I am not going to try it again. I am already too afraid by its taste
well it depends :D
raw fish for example, in here it is common to eat salt cured and smoked fish so eating raw is not much different
and the rice... sometimes the rice is just so horrible it ruins it all.
sushi is all about the rice... gotta get that right.
I always eat fish with lot of garlic and ginger paste in it. Something like this:
Eating it raw is something I can not even assume :(
call me weird, but I like my fish steamed or raw....(depends on the fish I guess). I don't really care for it grilled or fried... (fish N chips is okie but like not my number one choice)
Also depends on the region to region. We are use to eat it differently. Our tongue is not used to something different (eating it raw) I guess
21:06
salt-cured salmon
not really raw
I'll eat fish any way it is prepared
fried, grilled, steamed, whatever
fresh out of the water and I just bite it
sure
It looks nice. atleast
Haha.. I have already seen a lot of Panda related videos in past and I am already in love with them. They are too cute and innocent. But we don't have any panda over here :(
that video reminds me of the Takenoko board game
very fun game btw
21:13
a Finnish zoo was trying to get pandas for loan on Finland's 100th anniversary
I have read in past that all the pandas across the world are the property of China. And each nation/zoo which keeps them, pays some yearly amount to China
yes
I am not sure what is the status of the project now
today I bought a pair of beyerdynamic earbuds for work, found out it was made from Germany :D
Ohh man, the amount is US$1,000,000 per year (source)
~they'd be in Finland in this December.
a couple
21:16
@AnttiHaapala go see em be derps :D
this December is still 10 months far :(
ah @MoinuddinQuadri actually the one page in Finnish says that it depends on the contract and exactly "not the 1 million dollars mentioned on various web sources"
the next evolution of voice assistants youtube.com/watch?v=ApAzIJ3jQtw&feature=youtu.be
I should be going to sleep now. Its 3 AM
rbrb
this was here already :d
@MoinuddinQuadri you posted it in January :D
Ah, you were talking about video, I though you are playing with me regarding time :P
I just saw this videos as suggestion on youtube. I wasn't knowing that I already shared it :D
21:37
Hello :-) I'm pretty new to ML and trying to make some programs on TF, but they always fail to work the way I'd like them to (mostly, they don't converge). I've been doing everything on my own so far and am looking for some people who could help me, any kind of friendly online community which is somewhat machine-learning oriented really. Any recommandations ? Thanks
@Hippalectryon Just curious. Your profile says "If you've noticed a mistake in one of my answers, please do leave a comment". But I do not see answers from you :P
@MoinuddinQuadri I'm a MSE user :-)
My few SE questions are old
Ohhh... BTW I am also playing up with TensorFlow these days and I have the same issue as yours :( Please let me know once you find some nice responsive channel.
In which domain are you mainly using ML for?
@MoinuddinQuadri For fun :P - image manipulation and prediction mostly
earlier today I was trying to make a program that predicts my mouse movements
utterly failed, as always :( and no clue why
It's a pretty simple program too
you are too impulsive with your mouse?
21:42
Nah I had it tested on my mouse doing circles
have you tried something more conventional as an experience?
asking as an utterly clueless layman, it's just that doesn't sound like a trivial task
I tried the MNIST tutorial on tensorflow, I understood it and it worked
Well I just give TF the last 128 coordinates and the 129th, and it should overtime be able to predict the 129th
But it doesn't converge :(
pastebin.com/jn2DjDY2 if you're interested
I don't really have anyone around me IRL who even codes, less alone can help me :(
yeah, I don't think it'll get better than [email protected], which I see you've already found
rhubarb
21:57
> ImportError: No module named 'rhubarb'
 
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