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user559633
19:00
@Dom as amusing as the last few times you tried to make that joke, i assure you
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wow looks like you're getting genuinely offended
I'm sorry but America is far from perfect, the UK is comparatively bad, but this Trump business is a serious issue
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@Dom no, it's just the "americans are shit" "joke" is so unbelievably tired. it's like saying the yankees are bad at baseball or something.
@RobertGrant lol:D
brief cabbage, guys
yeah @Dom go pick on php instead
Bad at what?
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@RobertGrant at being a free and amazing country (as advertised)
user559633
19:02
@RobertGrant we improved on some of the european sports, we hope you don't mind
Mind? We didn't even notice :)
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oh good. we hope you have fun with that kick a ball and pretend to get hurt game
knew it
user559633
i think you call it soccer?
Indeed we do. We also call it football because we don't pick the ball up.
19:04
people who actually play it just kick the ball and have fun, btw
I've got nothing to defend professional football, though
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(joking aside, i actually like playing football. it's a good game)
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@tristan As opposed to American Football where they're armoured like a warrior going to battle?
Argh Dom you survived, and then you went back in.
@Dom well they do suffer significant brain damage, so there's a reason for armour
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@Dom based on the damage it does to players, the padding makes some sense
19:05
@tristan don't understand it compared to rugby though, in all seriousness.
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Our Rugby players get cauliflower ears and broken noses and go on playing
you could argue about the handegg issue though
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@Dom it's almost as if the rules are different, which makes the potential for serious injury different in nature
Also rugby players play the whole game
Maybe there are situations that make american football more dangerous, but I can't imagine what they could be
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@RobertGrant Lining up and resting before hitting each other.
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19:07
I really don't know the differences but you should compare American Football to Rugby not Football
maybe you should just not compare shit
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also a valid course of action :)
I've seen some massively hard hits in rugby. Like two enormous guys both running full tilt for the ball and doing the hilarious not see each other, jump for the ball, and smash into each other. And then get up quickly and carry on.
That's about the most painful-looking thing I've seen in rugby
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@RobertGrant sure, but in american football, that happens in every play
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Even recreational players get injured, my colleague fractured a rib the other day, the next day he was at work
19:09
@tristan I doubt that exact thing happens, but okay :)
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The truth in my eyes is countries and patriotism don't mean ish, people are people
Americans always bastardise all good sports. Look how they've turned ice hockey into skate boxing :D
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well, not two people running for a ball on the ground in every play, but the stoppage between plays means that everyone resets to collide directly with someone else
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@AnttiHaapala you're welcome :)
Yeah I think ice hockey and basketball are awesome
According to wikipedia modern ice hockey started in South Africa
19:13
While we're on American sports, I'm a big fan of pool ducks
Hmmm, SA, you say?
user559633
baseball is a great game to play -- it's okay to go watch in person too because you can go sit in nice weather and get beer and food brought to you
And basketball is from Canada. Oh well.
Rather good. Not unlike cricket, what?
user559633
Is screaming obscenities (as if you actually care what's happening) encouraged at cricket matches too?
19:15
Dear me, no, old chap.
Well no, not unless it's for troubled teens
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Well, I guess we'll have to fix that part of cricket here in america too.
I'm sure playing cricket in prison would yield that result
One can drink one's pint or nibble one's sandwiches with rather more fervour to indicate irritation.
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@JRichardSnape "you may have noticed that i, indeed, did not clap, sir"
19:16
quite
Quite an entertaining rugby moment
Course, now it's repeating forever
How annoying is that
I'd like to say...very
We could fillibuster to chase it from the screen.
OTOH, I might just go and watch snooker instead.
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I think beer pong definitely beats tennis
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snooker, you say
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19:21
really any pong beats tennis
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beer tennis.
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beer tennis beats tennis :)
@tristan Fantastic sketch, that
Oooh, and that's a bad miss
beer ten is always the killer.
Right. Temporary rbrb. Spicy food and snooker beckons.
user559633
19:22
enjoy
Hm I haven't had dinner
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@JRichardSnape got that 5 mins later lol
what a creeper
Oh yeah I see it now :)
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Lol that's why he's the professor
@JRichardSnape Clearly you've never heard some proper old fashioned sledging.
19:34
@AnttiHaapala :) Yep.
Cricketers are worse than most football/rugby players. I've seen rugby players fined/carded for things that are said regularly in cricket.
Rugby is very strict in terms of attitude towards the ref
Gentleman's game played by hooligans vs a hooligan's game played by gentlemen and all that
Yeah absolutely, it's part of the culture as much as anything.
Search for "best cricket sledging" to hear some corkers.
I couldn't type them here without possibly being flagged.
One of my favourites is:
One of the all time great bowlers, Glen McGrath was getting frustrated at being unable to dismiss little known Zimbabwean cricketer Eddo Brandes.

McGrath: “Why are you so fat?”

Brandes “Because every time I fu** your wife, she gives me a biscuit.”
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19:51
starred that
@RobertGrant must've been a troll
Troll in the dungeon! There's a troll in the dungeon... Get Dumbledore!
funny though
20:04
someone changed the years back :D:D:D:D:D
but didn't notice anything wrong with geography
user559633
"The contemporary sport of ice hockey was developed in South Africa most notably in Cape Town, where the first indoor hockey game was played on March 3, 1875" lel
@tristan the idiot who changed the years also ensured that one cannot undo the vandalism automatically
user559633
That's actually how I get most of my troll edits into wikipedia. Hide the amusing part behind a grammatical error, bolder claim, or politically-correct word change.
oh well, can't bother reverting now
South Africa and Ice Hockey? Sounds legit.
wasn't there a recent argument that stated it started in Britain?
20:12
A few things I read say that, but that modern ice hockey rules were developed in canada
user559633
i created ice hockey in my basement in 2014. check out wikipedia if you don't believe me.
you actually had me looking up your name and 2014
to see if you troll edited that page
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if anything, i'd probably add in some fake play names or fouls.
oh well, reverted
throw something in there about a first down and having the bases loaded
21:14
what the heck? Cold Play have done a relatively cheerful song including dancing monkeys... I'm confused...
Love . Turns out it is legal to position typedef after the type... so this is completely legal:
struct awkward { int el; } typedef *(*wtf)(long line(double (((confusing)))));
what it does is declares the wtf as a type alias for a type of pointer to function returning a pointer to struct awkward and taking one argument of pointer to function taking a double argument and returning long, of course.
And that's why I think C should be taught as someone's first programming language
It's just so obvious
21:29
I thought the zen and the first step was to teach students how to influence butterflies such that patterns influence a huge amount of casual events so it writes a few bits on a drive somewhere? :p
I generally do it by pinching a network cable to produce the correct sequence of 0s and 1s saved to a Dropbox file
I hate CRCs.
Is it just me - or did anyone else when they were younger try screeching down the phone when dialling a modem to see if you got a connection? I once got a 300bps!
grr... 3rd edit lucky - doing too much at once
22:29
Could i find someone to help answer my question?
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@ZackTarr Probably if you look hard enough :)
Please see the rules for this room
@AnttiHaapala I'm not sure even the great Sheldon Cooper could follow that
@Dom made a slight edit to your message - sounded like it applied to all chat and a "Please" never hurts :p
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@JonClements np, I didn't know mods could do that, will say it better next time
knew you could delete
omg - what else do you know about us? :p
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I hear there's a top secret chat for the inner circle ;)
22:38
"You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment"
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and as I'm all too often reminded on GDSE, you have a banhammer in your toolkit :)
cbg guys
cbg @Signal
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I have to ask, what is cbg? cabbage?
Hey Jon, how's your Sunday going?
cbg = hello :) sopython.com/salad
22:39
@Dom I like that you've quoted the room rules, but not read this room's site further :p
:p ^
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@JonClements It's a pretty comprehensive wiki, like real life, I know what rules not to break but I don't know the law inside out - or life in general
@Dom banhammer? What's your understanding of that then?
@Signal same old - same old - yours?
Hello all!
Working on a little bot. Trying to figure out how to extend it with c.
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22:43
@JonClements strike 1, 1 day off, strike 2, 1 week off, strike 3, a year I think? Custom penalties for serious offences, does that cover it?
cbg sean
@JonClements Have you ever meddled with it?
@Dom you got the strikes wrong :) but yeah - any reason you ask though?
@Signal ?
Extending Python w/ c
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@JonClements I was answering your Q about what I know about mods, don't think I asked a question at first, but what are the strike timings anyway?
@Signal sorry - have I ever meddled with C and Python?
@Dom they're published on meta for defaults, but can be discretionary depending - any reason you're so curious? :p
@Dom anyway - speaking as an RO and not a mod - if you're going to try and help out here - as mentioned, when quoting our room policy - please be nice about it or leave it to a RO or perhaps regular of the room instead until you're more well known.
23:04
Hi guys! I've been trying to debug this error for a while now, but I can't figure it out (it's numpy related I believe). But I guess just to check before I dump code on pastebin: what are some common causes of copying over numpy values into another array, and later the value disappears?
Say I have a 4d array x = np.zeros((3,4,5,6)), and another array called y = np.ones((4,5,6)). When I assign x[i,:,:,:] = y, and I evaluate the statement later, the values of np.sum(x[i,:,:,:]) is zero.
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@JonClements no reason I just like knowing stuff. I didn't mean to be rude, I was just being facetious like you guys were to me when I came in and asked if I could ask a question. I also said I'd say it better next time.
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@OneRaynyDay Are you absolutely sure 0's aren't what it should be producing?
@Dom I guess we'll just move forward then, then :)
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Sounds like a plan :)
23:21
@OneRaynyDay I'm fairly sure this isn't the first time you're effectively asking for debugging your code
Any why oh why - are you using for loops instead of vectorising operations?
@JonClements Sorry about that, I won't post anymore about debugging then - I just thought it was something outside of my knowledge
@JonClements correct. Sorry, I'm being pretty vague here. This is what I'm referring to.
Don't worry - you're just not likely to get any useful answers here right now at this time of night - do a MCVE with expected inputs/outputs etc...
@JonClements Also, I'm not vecotorising operations because the actual array is like over 5000 elements big, so I'm only showing the last 500 elements
I'm quite familiar with the effectiveness of vectorizing numpy operations :) Spent about a couple brain boggling nights over it
and yeah, no problem, I'll just go get a cup of coffee, sorry for bothering you guys!
No problem haha. Enjoy your coffee :)
23:26
not bothering - just heed the advice - formulate it as a question for the main site
@Signal and do you know C ?
printf("A little")
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How hard is C in comparison to C#?
could you or could you not write a C program from scratch and know how to include the headers from a Python development environment?
I've written the C program
The Python part is the new thing to me.
Dom that's a very opinionated question.
So err, your C program is completely in C with no linkage to the python libs?
23:30
Correct. Trying to figure out why Python.h can't be found
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@Signal what's your opinion on it, if you don't mind sharing? My experience with C# is that it's pretty easy but I've only worked with it in ASP.NET MVC
well, if you can write C, you generally know about include paths, right?
I have no clue @Dom . Never used C#.
@Dom @Signal Python room - let's not get off-track - thank you
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ok (sorry for cheating on you Python <3) :)
that's what she said?
23:33
@JonClements Nope.
@Signal I'm off to sleep in a mo', so I'm not going to hand hold you - there's plenty of docs about it
depending on your context though, also look into cython
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I think I've rubbed people the wrong way here, I'll get out of your hairs for good
why do you think that @Dom

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