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@thefourtheye also search for "I write the songs" :-)
I am on it.
Oh its by the same guy
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Some of my first associations with Manilow were from Night Court..
Like a lot of artists - I don't fancy the "hits" that made them
Manilow made it big time with Mandy and Cococapana (sp?)
Google auto fills to Copacabana, so I'll suggest that
20:31
Billy Joel springs to mind as one artist - I have everything he's ever done, even some old cassette tapes and vinyl - but I'm not a fan of the stuff that made him "pop" - his earlier works were better and some of his later stuff wasn't bad at all - don't know if that makes me odd or anything but still...
I love Billy Joel, and there's no possible way I'm considered old, if that makes you feel any better. :P
My favorite would either be Captain Jack, Allentown, or anything off of Glass Houses.
@Morgan ever listened to anything off the "Cold Spring Harbor" album?
I know She's Got A Way. I don't think I know the rest of the album.
I don't know what it is, but I know I can't live without here... she's got a way of healing...
beautiful song
Yeah, I'm listening to it now. So good.
I hadn't heard it in ages.
The Stranger is another great one. I love Scenes From An Italian Restaurant off of that one.
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I think "She's got a way" was also on the Songs In The Attic album
I tend to like his slower more ballad songs.
Welp, I'm going to spend the rest of work listening to Billy Joel. I'm blaming/thanking you, joncle.
you're welcome I guess: the turnstiles album had a good few tracks... also see youtube.com/…
ugh... I see that chat bug still hasn't been fixed...
I've seen a lot of life and I'm damn sick of livin' it
I keep hopin' that you will pass my way
And someday if your dreams are leavin' you
I'll still believe in you

Though I'm living and I'm singing
And although my hands still play
Soon enough it will all be over 'cause
Tomorrow is today
lyrical genuis
I don't think I've heard this one before. Just finished Scenes, so I'm listening to it now.
And some of the lyrics in Piano Man: wow - "sharing a drink they call loneliness, because it's better than drinking alone" - just wow
cbg!
20:47
Oh yeah. He's an amazing lyricist. I would put him up there with Peter Gabriel and Bob Dylan.
And this...
I would love to listen to this song in a Live performance.
@Morgan I'd also put Paul Simon & Carole King into that category (my favourite Gabriel song: youtube.com/watch?v=fQ3wpjdYMqk)
@JonClements Oh man, yeah, how could I forget Paul Simon. I don't know much Carole King.
@MorganThrapp the Tapestry album is legendary :)
20:52
This is probably my favorite Gabriel song (youtube.com/watch?v=5pteh5hdZlg).
I loved him in Genesis.
Speaking of Paul Simon, have you heard Mumford and Son's cover of The Boxer? I thought they did a great job with it.
As a youth I liked Smash Mouth's first album, which demonstrated quite a bit more range than what you'd expect from them if you only heard the songs of theirs that play on the radio.
I haven't listened to that CD in 10+ years though so I can't say for sure if current me would have the same assessment of teenage me
@MorganThrapp and although it's pop Garth Brooks - The Dance - such a beautiful song
If you want to talk about bands with a surprising range, Chumbawamba. Aka, "I get knocked down".
@JonClements Eh, I can't do Garth Brooks. Something about him just bothers me.
I don't begrudge any band that only has one hit. That's one more hit than I've ever made.
@Morgan I prefer Alan Jackson/George Jones/Brad Paisley - but that song and "The Wolves" are just wow
21:04
Yeah, country just doesn't do it for me.
Well - although some of them are "Country" - I'd not consider some of the songs being so...
When grew up, my father very much liked a folk musician named John Prine. We would listen to his tape a lot on road trips. Enough that I learned the words to most of his songs, even though they weren't necessarily child-appropriate.
I grew up on a ton of They Might Be Giants, Pete Seeger, Phish, and R.E.M. Which might be the strangest collection of music ever.
@QuestionC my friend's 6 year old daughter knows the lyrics to quite a few Eminem songs :p
So, I grew up more or less knowing all the words to Sam Stone, a song about heroin addiction and "the hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes". I figured the hole was a metaphor for something.
21:07
TMBG has my undying respect for errata-ing "the sun is a mass of incandescent gas" to "the sun is a miasma of incandescent plasma" like ten years after the fact.
A few months ago, in my 30's, I went back and listened to John Prine and I finally put 2+2 together. I was depressed for weeks.
@QuestionC John Prine is a genius with lyrics. I especially love Angel from Montgomery. But yes, he can be very depressing. I think the first song I heard of his was Sam Stone.
@Kevin FWIW, Pterry was a TMBG fan. In Soul Music the band "We're Certainly Dwarves" was a TMBG reference.
Written by Leonard Cohen - a fantastic artist/writer in his own right
21:12
I think John Prine is great, but I also recognize I've been programmed to think that.
It's rare I find a cover "better" than the original though
Here's a good Aussie version of Bird On a Wire
@Kevin Really? I didn't know that. That's awesome.
Yeah, they made a whole new song to retract the first one :-)
21:13
Can only think of one other right now which is a raggae cover of Pink Floyd's wish you were here
Elvis's cover of Blue Suede shoes?
Or Hurt by Jonny Cash?
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Respect, by Aretha Franklin.
Flute cover of the 20th Century Fox theme.
@QuestionC That is one of the few times I have cried from laughing. My GF banned it from the house.
Didn't the Beatles do a cover of something that became enormously popular? I forget.
@QuestionC Oh wow - yes... on his last album... had also covered a Sinatra song I forget
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@QC: Redding was quoted as saying "I just lost my song. That girl stole my song." after he heard it..
Grr... now I'm listening to youtube.com/…
@DSM Not very respectful of her.
21:27
I forget, does del x guarantee immediate garbage collection on x?
Only if x is the only reference to that object
rbrb - back later
garbage collection is by default non-deterministic, is it in python?
Tedeschi Trucks doing a medley of Prine's Angel From Montgomery and Grateful Dead's Sugaree at The Royal Albert Hall: youtube.com/watch?v=NEBO1qaOcjE
I understood 2 words ^
"doing" and "at"
21:29
In this case, x is the only reference.
@Kevin If an object hits a zero reference count - it'll be picked up at the GC sweep - that doesn't mean immediately though
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I've been to the Royal Albert Hall! .. to hear a visiting Canadian band, admittedly, but still.
XY problem revealed: I'm trying to see if I can validate my second comment in Making a raw_input() update its string by writing a threaded solution where a child thread calls raw_input and I shut down the prompt in N seconds by deleting the thread.
I wrote a tiny proof of concept but it didn't work and now I have no time and must go home.
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At 4:30 EST? Lucky!
And when something does get GC'ed that just means it's returned to Python's memory pool, not to the OS.
21:31
Only because I unluckily begin working at 4:30 minus nine hours. Everything balances in the end.
stackoverflow.com/a/15457947/4014959 discusses Python's memory management.
@PM2Ring I got to see them live a couple years back. They put on a great show.
@MorganThrapp I really want to see them live one day. And I wouldn't mind seeing Warren Haynes, either.
@PM2Ring I've seen him 3 or 4 times. Another great live performer.
And he's so good at interacting with other musicians.
21:36
Oh yeah. The festival that I went to a couple years in a row was put on in collaboration with him, so he would come out and play a song or two with a bunch of different artists who played the fest.
21:51
ugh, defaultdict is going to be the death of me. It refuses to work with Count() lol
nested = defaultdict(int)
developers = Counter(nested())
developers[y['user']['first_name']][story_size] += y['minutes_spent']
@Kevin I think I've managed to take your suggestion and literally butcher it into the ground lol
Does anyone know any libraries that will allow me to add my own gui around other programs(such as vlc, firefox etc)
@Arden Would that not be just using a python gui library and just load the program inside the window
22:06
@sudoGaron i have not come across any with such functionality, (besides an old library for tk which i ported to tkinter but it only works on xwindows)
but that's what i want to do on windows as well
@Arden yeah TK was my first thought. :(
what are you trying to do with that code?
@JGreenwell fill a dictionary with key:value pairs as the 'first_name'{story_size: minutes_spent} and continue to increase the minutes_spent value each time as it loops through the data.
I've tried, Counter(), and defaultdict() and apparently butchered both into the ground
if it gets to that level of complication I would usually point someone to either making a class or pandas (depending on data size and other methods which need to be performed)
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There are lots of ways to do what you want, such as a nested defaultdict.
For example, d = defaultdict(Counter) would work.
>>> d = defaultdict(Counter)
>>> d["Bob"][100] += 75
>>> d["Bob"][100] += 50
>>> d["Fred"][200] += 88
>>> d
defaultdict(<class 'collections.Counter'>, {'Fred': Counter({200: 88}), 'Bob': Counter({100: 125})})
22:22
would I even need to use counter at all though. it's the only solution I've seen to keep adding values while creating the keys initially.
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You don't need to use either defaultdict or Counter if you don't want to.
@DSM but that's only dealing with single nests. I'm having to build down into {'Fred':{'S':0,'M':4,'L':0}} so and so forth
ohhhhh wait yeah I see what you're saying now. use Counter as the default.
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The above example should handle both of the cases you've given as examples, which are only nested two levels. If you need arbitrary depth, you should have said so. :-)
this is why I need to actually learn pandas I think. I'm trying to deal with complex data and using a spoon to build from it.
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pandas is handy if you're working with data which is fundamentally tabular.
22:28
I'm very new to working with data especially from an API in JSON.
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How easy it is to convert that into a frame depends entirely on the format. Sometimes all you need is read_json; other times you'll have to walk the data structure manually to generate something Python is happy with.
makes way more sense now, the defaultdict sets the key if it's missing initially.
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Correct. And it sets the value by calling the object which is passed to the defaultdict, so whatever you pass to defaultdict has to give you the object you want if you call it.
23:18
someone knows a better way to do this?

`executable = os.path.join(dir, 'dir')
cmd = ['\"' + executable + '\"']`
23:35
What exactly are you doing?
I'm using subprocess to run an command, but the comand has a path, if the path has any space the command don't run, so I need to add the quotes to avoid any error
You don't necessarily need to account for spaces. If you use a list for your command, the path will be given as a single argument anyway.
how like a list?
subprocess.call(["program", path, other_argument0, other_argument1...])
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23:51
Yeah, it should Just Work(tm).

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