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16:05
That's right.
So anybody have something great going on??
Hmmm, its raining heavily here, if that counts :D
Delightful, you lucky dog.
I had a schnauzer as a kid that loved to run around in the rain.
Air
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@thefourtheye Send us some?
@Air You mean like this?
@Air, everyone knows they're seeding clouds off the coast to extend the drought. adjusts tinfoil hat
16:11
@AaronHall Nah, my hometown is very hot with very less rain and I got used to that. So, I don't think I am lucky :-|
user559633
@AaronHall Yeah, what do you think cloud computing is actually about
Air
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@thefourtheye Sure, it's hot here anyway, we just need the moisture
@Air I am just 2 KMs away from the Bay of Bengal ;-)
I've done this joke before, but: Simulation of California residents in a couple years:
Air
Air
16:16
Maybe more like:
New iJeggings incorporate the latest in catheter technology
@thefourtheye It's interesting comparing your climate data and our climate data. Our summer temperatures are very similar but your rainy season starts earlier and you get about 3x as much annual rainfall.
Both the links show only Chennai's climate :D
Hi @thefourtheye
@sonicMandelBrot Heya. How goes it?
Awesome man ! whats cookin in the room XD
16:27
California
@Air :O Oh yeah. Its very similar. I always imagined California to be colder
Haha it's hot. @aIR
@thefourth i agree with air
Even I agree with him, he has data :D
Haha.
@bot world ahead

http://www.hngn.com/articles/110149/20150716/robot-passes-wise-men-self-awareness-test-for-first-time.htm
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@thefourtheye In the US, people from outside of California associate California with the sort of weather and lifestyle they have in the southern part of the state. Warm, sunny, beaches and palm trees.
16:33
How big is California?
Oh boy. Its pretty big for a state :D
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Probably WP will give you a better answer in numbers, but it's one of the largest US states.
> It is the most populous U.S. state,[4] with 38 million people, one in eight of the people who live in the U.S, and the third largest state by area (after Alaska and Texas)
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It's also very long north-to-south, and has several mountain ranges that divide it up into different climates
So on the coastal side of the mountains you have sunny and warm weather in the south, wet and cool weather in the north; in the central valley you have hot and dry weather for the most part, with some colder weather way north where there is an elevated plateau
That is awesome :-) I thought India is the only place where you can find weird climates like this :D
It also has an unusually high ratio of spoiled rich kids
(and alot of pretty awesome folks too)
16:37
@JoranBeasley [Citation needed] :D
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There are very poor parts of the state as well
If you want weird climate, look at pictures of the cloud patterns around Mount Shasta
Im probably slightly biased since the 10 years I spent there were in Santa Barbara
And with that upvote, I successfully cross the 90,000 border :-)
I want to visit Yosemite one day. Probably avoid the winter though...
@thefourtheye Congrats..
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16:40
@Ffisegydd I think it's probably great in summer or winter, and in winter it's less crowded. I have not visited yet, though.
@AvinashRaj Melons :-) And I see that you are already on your way to 100k. Keep going and I ll chase you down. After all, that is what the dogs are good at :D
@thefourtheye very nice, 90k.
@AaronHall Thanks :-)
@thefourtheye I need 1 more month to reach 100K . So three people from Chennai going to hit 100k.
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Air
The scenes on Endor in Star Wars were also shot in California, and several parts from Jurassic Park in the same general area.
16:43
@AvinashRaj Three? Cool.
Whoa. Congrats @AvinashRaj and @thefourtheye
@sonicMandelBrot Thanks :-)
@sonicMandelBrot ^^^^^^^^^
@Air I've heard that, depending on how bad the winter is, it can be absolutely brutal. Makes for nice photographs but also frostbite.
16:48
@Ffisegydd @Air witness this Sacramento resident's continuous joy at being in Yosemite: cockeyed.com/travel/yosemite/yosemite.html
During winter it feels like California is the place to be.
@davidism superb link
(there are two pages, don't miss the link at the bottom)
Another must visit spot : redwoodhikes.com/Skyline/WindyHill.html
Beautiful set of trails to go hiking
16:51
The one thing I miss about living in NorCal (or really anywhere but San Diego and Los Angeles) is that there were way more good places to hike.
Down here there's hiking but it's all desert.
Hmm. yeah that's true.
I also liked mission peak :)
We do have some nice beaches though:
I was out at La Jolla Cove at high tide a couple days ago flying the quadcopter. The colors of the water were beautiful.
I need to figure out how to de-warp the images in gimp (or just python), the fish-eye lens can be annoying.
Very nice, I'm jealous.
Wow you fly a quadcopter?
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Air
more_california_places.extend([castlecrags, tulelake, laketahoe, mojavedesert])
16:57
@davidism I clicked on the image, only after I read the 'fish-eye' lens :D The image is awesome
I love drones!
Yeah, I have a Phantom 2, it's really fun to fly.
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Air
Wow, that's a nice piece of equipment
^^ too cool!
we have trees ._.
17:00
@corvid
where?
I want to build a smaller one with a head mounted display, it would be so cool to fly that way.
New England
Air
Air
Yeah, the foliage in California is nothing compared to the east coast
I hate palm trees with a passion
And evergreens are nice but not very colorful or dynamic
Air
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I've been out to the Berkshires in autumn a few times and it was lovely.
17:04
@corvid :) nice. Whats the climate there like?
I like maples foliage
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Air
'Murica slideshow aside, I'd love to visit India some day as well. It's on my list of "places where I will go and eat all the things"
The climate is pretty intense based on the season, reeeally hot in the summer, pretty cold in winter, with 1 month of perfect temp in between those extremes
Air
Air
New England doesn't get that hot in the summer.
It does have very well-defined seasons, though.
It was 90 a few days ago ._. that's hot. Not like southern cali but it's desert there
Air
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90 feels way hotter in Boston than it does here in Sacramento.
17:07
I have nothing to do with this post, but it seems entertaining so far: steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/06/…
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Air
A high-80s day is wonderfully cool for the summer here. In Boston, where the humidity is higher, high-80s means "oh god why didn't I buy a bigger fan I feel like I'm swimming in my own shirt"
@Air Give us a shout and we'll take you to the best places here :) @thefourtheye what say?
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@sonicMandelBrot If you can wait enough years until I have money for international travel, then sure :)
I'm going to Hawaii in November and that's going to be the closest I have ever been to India, I think...
Oh, no. I lied. Looks like London is closer.
@corvid that seems pretty much like the Indian clime!
Air
Air
Europe and the Atlantic are just so squished on the map compared to Asia and the Pacific.
17:10
@Air haha, I'd bet that a trip to India is far more cheaper ^^
I imagine New England / NorthWest coast to be Tolkienesque rolling hills and glades.

I live in Florida. Sometimes I think it would be cool to drive away two hours and go on a picnic, but then I realize everything that isn't civilized is just soggy jungle.
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Air
@sonicMandelBrot I'm sure it would be cheaper to be in India but the airline tickets would be more expensive, and that is more than half of the cost of our trip to Hawaii
haha @Air couldn't agree more!
But trust me, that's gonna be the only part you're gonna spend .
Anyways, let us know once you land 'ere. we'll take care of the goin' around part :D
anyone remember the link to that one SO question about ordering a list of ints so when you str join them all you get the maximum number possible?
Air
Air
Actually, it looks like the cheapest flights between here and Chennai are only a little more than we paid for Hawaii.
$1300 versus $1050.
But the flights to Chennai go all the way up to $5000! $12,000!!!
17:18
@Air So plan it in advance ^^
Air
Air
Oh, I'm looking at it wrong
It's $1300 per person - that's a lot more, $1050 was for both me and my wife
I can't even imagine spending 5-10 thousand dollars on a plane ticket
Haha. traveling to the other side of the world wouldn't be so easy
@JoranBeasley This?
But I'm sure your wife will love it cause this place is a shopping casino ! :p
Air
Air
Well, my wife has a job interview this afternoon, so wish her luck and maybe then we can start saving for it
17:21
:) @Air good luck to her on my Bhalf ^^
@BhargavRao yes!
howd you find that??
Air
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She's very excited about international travel, though her first choice would probably be to visit the Sedlec Ossuary
@sonicMandelBrot Thanks :)
@JoranBeasley Go to @PM's account and it is his top voted answer :)
Air
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@MartijnPieters You might want to edit this comment with your magical mod might so it says "no such thing" (which I assume is what you meant)
17:26
re-cbg
cbg @Jon
@Air: hrm, those comments can just be deleted.
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@MartijnPieters As you prefer :)
17:35
@Martijn Can you even un-delete a comment?
@BhargavRao he is chuck norris of SO. he can do anything :D
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Hum. For some reason I can't get the logging example in the Pyramid quick tutorial working. I've gone so far as to diff the files with what's shown in the tutorial to make sure they're essentially the same, but I'm not seeing the debug messages in console and the logging tag in the debug toolbar is greyed out.
@ChillarAnand Haha. I asked if mod's could :)
Air
Air
@BhargavRao Yes, mods can view deleted comments, undelete them, and even edit any comments
@BhargavRao I can
17:38
Wow.
Aha. The details are here meta.stackexchange.com/a/252691 :D
Air
Air
Editing other users' comments is pretty rare though; it gives no notification and leaves no record visible to users or moderators (perhaps some record is left at a level the developers can see)
It looks as though the logging configuration in development.ini here won't actually log debug messages to console since the root handler level is set to INFO... or am I crazy
I don't understand why there's no handler set for the tutorial logger unless the default configuration Pyramid uses is to handle the logger in the debug toolbar
I should read more docs I guess
@Air I use it occasionally when a comment that was flagged as rude can be salvaged.
You should frob the foobar to make this actually work for the OP, you <censored> can be salvaged to You should frob the foobar to make this actually work for the OP.
you <censored>, you wont <censored> understand :D :P
Air
Air
Yes, I do the same. I will also occasionally use it to edit out an @mention if I've deleted the comment it's responding to, but the reply still makes sense and should not be deleted
17:54
@Martijn although we can't "undelete" self deleted comments
@JonClements yes we can.
erm.
I meant comments we ourselves deleted.
What about deleted chat messages?
You meant undeleting comments the poster deleted.
@BhargavRao nope.
We can read them, just not undelete.
17:56
So you can post a [feature-request] in mod only room ;)
nope... it's not necessary... if the OP of a comment chooses to delete it, so be it
Moar power! :D
well yeah, mods have "moar power" than normal users, but we don't abuse them
I know that you guys don't abuse :)
Moar responsibility!
we can see deleted comments - that's enough
18:02
IKR. :)
18:14
@MartijnPieters are you sure youve been using python as long as alexmarteli? he's a pretty sharp guy (but I agree with you about lambdas being fine also)
DSM
DSM
Afternoon cabbage for all.
yo @DSM
hi @MoAli
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Air
18:27
Speaking of Martelli, looks like he should tick over 400k reputation tomorrow
Since he's rep-capped today at 399,806
Anyone else experiencing this reputation tab bug in Chrome today?
Apart from replace, translate and re.sub are there any other functions to replace single characters?
user559633
list slicing?
Nope. Dunno the index
Something like - I wanna remove the single quotes from this string "I didn't do it"
Air
Air
> I got a error and was reading through the traceback. I noticed something in the traceback called limbda. What's the difference between limbda and lambda? Is limbda better than lambda?
^ almost made me laugh out loud
Err what?? :D
From where?
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18:38
@BhargavRao An old comment that I found by doing some detective work to see what the context was of @Joran's comment above about lambdas
cbg @Vignesh
How are you
All's fine here
How about you?
I am good bro in Canada
18:43
Nice :)
Sorry are you in canada
Yeah. For research only.
DSM
DSM
@Air: wow. (And I don't see the rep bug, but I'm using chromium on linux.)
P.hd or MS
Err. Nope. Undergrad. Got selected in interview
18:46
Nice :D how is weather isn't very cold there
cbg @DSM. You need to join Slack like the rest of us. One of us, one of us!
Nope. It is actually hotter than Bengaluru (my hometown) Around 23C
@davidism The Dark council? :P
Yeah been there once was a little on the freezing side for me from chennai 30C is a good weather for me :P
Air
Air
Isn't Slack, like... Skype for your office?
But I thought Skype was Skype for your office.
DSM
DSM
~14C. Best of temperatures.
Air
Air
18:49
Or Google Hangouts, or FaceTime, or whatever the kids are blah blah blah
A bit on @DSM's side. For me 18 to 22C is the best :)
14C then count me dead
@Air It's just chat with permissions and integration with a bunch of tools.
Ugh, electron really does not want to work :|
Air
Air
@VigneshKalai You sound like the southern California kids who come up to northern California for university. :) We make fun of them for wearing puffy jackets when it's not even close to freezing outside.
When you grow up where winter means you get ice crystals on your face walking from your front door to the bus stop, 14 °C is perfect
18:53
What to do adapted this climate :P
DSM
DSM
I don't mind 17 C at the height of summer, when you're playing beach volleyball.
Here there is no winter season summer and rainy season only
Air
Air
After living in Sacramento for 4 years, I have adapted pretty well - to the point where 30 °C seems "too cold to go swimming"
But I have no body fat so in the water I freeze and sink like a stone :(
Ha Ha adaptability
DSM
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@Air: I've heard the same about Jordan at the height of his skill. He couldn't swim, because he simply sank.
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18:58
@DSM Trust me, I am in no way comparable to Michael Jordan.
@Air Are you saying Winter is coming?
Ugg. I hate to compile these Latex stuff :(
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Air
@sonicMandelBrot No, I'll keep my head, thanks
@sonicMandelBrot You can press the up arrow to edit your most recent chat message.
19:00
@BhargavRao Thanks for the tip :)
I'm kinda new 'ere. Getting used to the place.
Also when you are free, visit sopython.com. You will get an overview of the chatroom
Ok all fellow pythoners time to sleep enjoy you cold weather while you can summer is coming :P
Good night @Vignesh. Rbrb
@BhargavRao thanks :) will check that out. @VigneshKalai good night :)
All others coding on the other side of the world ^^ Good <Placeholder> (Fill it as u like it :) )
So this is an error in the Python docs right? stackoverflow.com/q/31437463
The second sentence in the quote is wrong (" Comparisons between numbers of mixed type use the same rule."), isn't it?
19:06
Woah! When had I upvoted that? :O
19:17
@BhargavRao what Latex stuff?
You know rite. In Latex you have to compile every stuff thrice to get it right. :(
Typing my project report for these two months
Happy friday python people o/
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cbg @PeeHaa
cbg
Air
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I think my Friday will get happier after I get some lunch in me.
19:22
Lunch?? God your timezone sucks :P
Hi @PeeHaa. Howz everythin on the php side?
@BhargavRao Retarded, because php
Other than that fine :-)
Haha. Expected that :P
hi guys need to know small things about Red Hat Linux Enterprise...any one dealt with?
19:24
I have dealt with it before
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@flornquake Strictly speaking, it looks that way. Needs to add another footnote perhaps, to say - except in this or that edge case.
@MartijnPieters and anyone else using Flask: do you think making a synonym of might be reasonable? I mostly see the jinja tag misused, and even the official docs no longer acknowledge Jinja 1.
It's safe to say it isn't a problem anymore
@Mahesha999 welcome, please read our room rules: sopython.com/chatroom
Also note that this is the Python room. Consider asking in Server Fault or Super User chat.
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@davidism How do you see jinja misused? Do you mean that people use it when they should use jinja2 instead?
19:25
yeah
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Hmm. Jinja is the name of the project, after all...
It's not like they're tagging it jinja1
But I get the weirdness. It's always referred to as jinja2.
@PeeHaa thats great, I have RHEL5 in 5 CDs(ISOs). Also RHEL 10 ISO is of 4Gigs+. I mostly use Fedora. But its ISO is max 800MB. Whats the matter?
Air
Air
@Mahesha999 Are you asking, why is Fedora's ISO smaller?
Because... they're different distributions
sort of yess
You had a question about small things. 4G OS is not small
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19:28
Even the same distribution can have ISOs of different sizes - net install ISO vs full install ISO?
or is it like there are many more package which I will not need. Actually I want to run minimum 5 VMs of RHEL. And I have 16GBs of RAM and somewhat 40 GB of hard disk free. So just estimating the things
There's a high chance that the RHEL distro has more packages on disk.
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Air
Yes, "high chance" is maybe an understatement....
Considering their target market has the ability and need to make a local distro server.
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@Mahesha999 Why RHEL as opposed to another distro?
19:31
Why RHEL? That's kind of a business thing.
Air
Air
A better comparison than RHEL vs Fedora would be RHEL vs CentOS
Or Oracle Linux.
umm... my production environment runs RHEL, otherwise I would have tried in Fedora or Ubuntu...
Air
Air
Correct me if I'm wrong, sounds like the situation is you use RHEL at work and Fedora at home
I still don't get what you're even asking.
19:33
yess sort of
At home I have both Windows and Fedora, at work its RHEL and Windows
@Mahesha999 please ask your question, the suspense is killing me
I think I did asked.... :p
Not clearly enough then.
I think people here answered... :p
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19:37
It's RHEL server, right?
Air
Air
Fedora server is not 800 MB - it's 2+ GB
Going out for food. Rbrb
ok I may ask one more question: is there something like comparatively light weight RHEL
Anyway, the isos just include possible packages you could install during setup, you're not necessarily installing even close to all of them.
Air
Air
19:38
Most of the time a server distro is going to contain more than a client distro
@Air ohhh I have Fedora Desktop
@Mahesha999 it's not clear enough what you mean by "light weight". Most distros I've installed have a similar installation size.
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@Mahesha999 Yup, that would explain it...
Just learned there some variants of RHL5:
Red Hat Enterprise Linux Advanced Platform (former AS)
Red Hat Enterprise Linux (former ES) (limited to 2 CPUs)
Red Hat Enterprise Linux Desktop with Workstation and Multi-OS option
Red Hat Enterprise Linux Desktop with Workstation option (former WS)
Red Hat Enterprise Linux Desktop with Multi-OS option
Red Hat Enterprise Linux Desktop (former Desktop)

from here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux
now guessing which will be smaller one
19:41
@Mahesha999 this has gotten too off topic, and you seem to have a fundamental misunderstaning about "size"
please take it to Server Fault or Super User
Yeah I know if I opt out to install most packages I will need considerably lesser space...anyways better I stop it here now and move on with something unless I get stuck again somewhere...in which case I will come back here :)
btw I dont find superuser and serverfault rooms useful, they are inactive since ages:
http://chat.stackexchange.com/?tab=site&host=serverfault.com
http://chat.stackexchange.com/?tab=site&host=serverfault.com
thank you
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@Mahesha999 Root Access seems active enough
user559633
In any case, it's off topic.
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Good luck
Time for a red hot enterprise sandwich. Rbrb.
@Jon @WayneConrad need a ruby opinion to be fair, should this be deleted: stackoverflow.com/questions/1113611/…
DSM
DSM
20:04
What will deleting do? It's already locked.
It's just a big list, possibly out of date, that doesn't really seem useful.
I don't like those "X vs Y" questions in general, but I know people disagree.
Also, the question contains a bunch of the answers.
DSM
DSM
I'd vote to close, and I'm not going to try to reopen. But I've never understood the appeal of deletion.
Mostly the "out of date" argument for me. Maybe those features are in Python/Ruby now? I'd have to check each one, and there's no way to update the answers.
It's also a useless list. I'd be surprised if someone could use that to actually decide between using Ruby or Python.
DSM
DSM
Obsolescence (and I'm not admitting how many times I had to try that to get it right) by itself seems like a weak argument for deletion-- that covers a lot of answers. I just find it hard to get worked up about.
But it's time for my Friday Indian food, so I'm off. :-)
rbrb
DSM
DSM
20:15
cbg-then-rhubarb, @Martijn!
20:27
@davidism I'd say to keep it, either locked or closed, but not deleted. Programmers are grownups (more or less) and know to put less stock in older material, but there is useful stuff there.
Yeah, I suppose so.
DSM and Wayne win this round. But I'll be back!
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Air
cbg
Finally got the thing working, but I have no clue why it works. Not sure if good or bad
20:39
Hello! Does anyone know what the tensor dot product does in numpy? Is there such a thing as a tensor dot product?
Actually I think I may have figured it out.
I'm staying out of the rooms today, because grumpy, but came because I was summoned. Just be glad I didn't put a curse of "insigificant whitespace" on @davidism . :) rbrb until the next time you need a Ruby genie.
rbrb :)
user559633
puts "hello Wayne"
The city has no outdoors stores :\
user559633
@corvid Which city? There must be an REI or something or the ilk
20:51
Boston, REI doesn't have the right gear for the job... need like a Bass Pro Shop or a Cabelas
user559633
...what are you looking for, little crow?
A bow stringer hah I feel like it is bad to string it by hand
user559633
Yeah, it is bad to string by hand. Good call on not just going for it.
user559633
Are you doing targets in the city or trying to get something before you go home?
20:53
Doing targets tomorrow, but just got a new bow
user559633
Oh nice, what did you get?
Just a really basic 30 pounder because my like 90 pound drawback is too hard to practice with
Birds with bows. The end is near.
The tables have turned!
user559633
@corvid 90# compound or what?
20:54
Nah, old fashioned type of Hun bow, it looks so cool, but it's SO impractical
Air
Air
You can make a bow stringer pretty easily
Hit up the hardware store for some twine and cut-to-size rubber
user559633
Whoa, do hun bows cut down on required strength far more than recurves?
user559633
Oh yeah, it's a composite.
@Air but I want a bow stringer because I am afraid that I will poke out an eye doing this unprofessionally, and making my own bow stringer still leaves that fear haha
this one is the hun bow, I think you're not supposed to pull it back all the way
user559633
is it possible that someone at the targets will have a stringer you can use?
user559633
20:59
@corvid yeah, and the way it's built requires less strength on the draw
user559633
i have a 45# recurve and my fingers start hurting after maybe like 100 shots
Air
Air
@corvid You could email [email protected] and ask where the club buys its equipment.
Of course, who knows if they'll get back to you or not, and they might just say, "Amazon."
I asked a friend from the area and he says all the sporting goods stuff is outside the 128 belt
Other than generic running, racket, ball, etc
This agrees with my memory, but then my memory is shit
21:21
who puts their main() at the top of their scripts? just curious...
Anyone do anything great today, by the way?
I did nothing great today whatsoever.
Air
Air
Um... I fixed a bug caused by the EPA not capitalizing the letter "x" consistently
I'm sure there is a universe in which that is a great achievement
toasts Air's achievement with his green tea
Air
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Probably the same universe where Kazaam won an Academy Award
toasts Air's obscure bad movie reference with another sip
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21:39
Are CSRF tokens generated per session or per pageload/view rendering? Seems like the former would do nothing, but the Pyramid docs are a little unclear
> If session.get_csrf_token() or session.new_csrf_token() was invoked previously for this session, then the existing token will be returned.
I'm not clear on who exactly has knowledge of the token, and how it offers protection. So, client visits foo.com, gets session cookie, then browses reddit for a while before ending up at bar.net
Some link on bar.net tries to load a sensitive URL at foo.com
Client still has their session cookie, but must not have any knowledge of the CSRF token? Or else it wouldn't help. But if the token is generated on the view accessed by that sensitive URL, that doesn't help either... so the token must be generated beforehand?
> **Content blocked by your organization**
> **Reason:** This Websense category is filtered: Computer Security.
> **URL:** http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/csrf-demystified/
-__-
Air
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@kush Yeah, I can use github. (thanks!)
woot!
@JoranBeasley I've been using Python since early 1999.
Air
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I guess our IT department thinks that people reading articles about security are doing so in order to hax their mainframes
21:54
@davidism I have been thinking about merging the two.
apropos your earlier comment @martijn - I tried for badges on H&I too and similarly gave up. It needs so much time to do properly
Are there any posts about Jinja 1 at all?
which is a shame - because I'm very pro the idea, as I said on meta when Tim Post asked about it. I thought my (rather limited) time was better spent on Triage.
21:58
@JRichardSnape: it was the majority of terrible unimprovable posts that I found that really discouraged me.
yeah. A combination of those plus the just about salvageable ones taking so long for me. Hence I thought being a bit more harsh on the "unsalvageable" button in Triage might be a better use of my time.

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