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If the Python and Ruby were drowning and I could save just one, it would be Python.
DSM
DSM
00:27
If Python and Ruby were both drowning, I'd save Ruby. It's what Python would want, because she is open-hearted and generous.
If Python and Ruby were drowning, I'd import lifejackets and save them both :p
If Python and Ruby were drowning, it's obvious neither of them could handle it, so they should just go keep Poseidon company instead.
01:15
@JRichardSnape If the Python and Ruby were drowning and I could save just one, it would be Python. If Python can swim, then I'd just walk away.
 
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02:45
cbg
@AnttiHaapala cbg
 
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03:57
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CBG CBRE Group, Inc. (CBG) -NYSE
38.29 Up 0.04(0.10%) May 22, 4:07PM EDT
Somehow that got two upvotes. I don't get it.
04:21
cbg
 
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06:19
cbg
@JonClements cbg
Cabbage puppy :-)
06:35
@Ffisegydd I'll raise your "copious amounts of apple juice" for my "don't drink my brothers 'home brew' moon shine"
Hahaha.... our PM is now trying to negotiate a "better deal" with the EU with the bloke he tried to block as EU council president...
07:03
wtf? Cameron's already blocked any EU citizen in the UK from voting in the referendum
Seems unfair and a bit strange - since that'd no doubt bias the result as he'd like it...
Cbg
@JonClements oh, blimey
07:21
@JonClements do you mean the advertisements?
strangely not :)
sadly not everything is the BBC :)
@JanDvorak don't see you around that often these days - how's things?
Mostly just lurking
@JanDvorak I found a d3 doc that explains that exact mystery from yesterday :)
thanks
Very nice indeed
07:36
Yeah :)
It's written by the guy who made d3, so you'd hope it'd be good :)
@JonClements if you don't mind sharing, what did you decide about that job?
07:48
@Robert still undecided :)
moneymoneymoney MONEY
is numpy more functional than scipy?
or one could go for being relatively happy and less stressed BobbyG :)
Well, true :)
I'm more of the "jump into a stressful job and figure it out" type, at least when applying for jobs
cortisolcortisolcortisol CORTISOL
08:12
@JasonZhao they are different things
oh fantastic... looks like I'm going to be baby sitting a dog for the morning
little yappy bugger - can't wait
another dog.
well - it's already here in the garden
yapping away
already have a fairly good hangover... so yapping isn't exactly helping my head
not even exactly what I'd call a proper dog either
I misread as "little yappy burger". Was confused
@JanDvorak I don't think its owner would appreciate it if I did make it a burger
08:21
Interesting how "Made it food" could mean "cooked for it" OR "cooked it"
although it's sorely tempting right now to just strangle the little git
08:57
umm... that's a new one - plugging the phone via usb to the laptop causes some quite random behaviour
cbg @Flexo
@JonClements cbg
@Flexo potato?
you say potato I say potato
Ooh ooh I know! Lyrics that lose something when written down!
Money talks
But it don't sing and dance
And it don't walk
And long as I can have you
Here with me, I'd much rather be
Forever in blue jeans
09:02
totally expected to get rickrolled then
Not a Neil Diamond fan then? :p
always find my playlist "interesting" when on random
Yeah, but what make of jeans
@RobertGrant well - mine are mostly £3 from ASDA :)
Wow that's amazing
I generally buy 1 pair that I like, wear them for 18 months then buy another pair
09:09
Got a pair for £140 a few years ago
When you were in Primrose Hill? :)
What were they, second hand?
oh - they were on offer - down from £490
Ah, makes sense :)
The worst I ever did was spend 50 quid on a belt
can't see how they differ from my £3 ones :p
Which was partially a currency conversion error on my part
And by the time I realised, I was already paying and was too embarrassed not to buy it
@JanDvorak very awesome d3 tutorial. Starts off very basic (as in: what is a variable in javascript) but quickly works its way up to very useful stuff
09:12
Neil Diamond -> 50 Cent - interesting mix
@RobertGrant Thanks - that reminds me I need to replace my belt - it broke the other week
You obviously underspent by 45 pounds
Well - it was a gift from a friend - so no idea how much it'd cost etc...
OMG - there's a creeper in the room - run run run away!
cbg @Ivan0x32
I'm only joking :)
ahh.... another ND track - one of my fav's...
Okay. Data question. Is 20 degrees C twice as hot as 10 degrees C?
09:23
Ah. Interesting question.
@Robert fairly sure that's how C works
Can I guess before you tell me?
So my instant reaction was: yes. But then I thought that actually -273 degrees C is the real zero, so the actual ratio between the temperatures is 283:293
Okay, now tell me :)
I would say "No, because it's Interval data as opposed to Ratio."
Yes, that was my exact thought
Having just read this
Interval data has a meaningful order and has the quality of equal intervals between
measurements, representing equal changes in the quantity of whatever is being
measured. The most common example of the interval level of measurement is the
Fahrenheit temperature scale. If you describe temperature using the Fahrenheit
scale, the difference between 10 degrees and 25 degrees (a difference of 15 degrees)
represents the same amount of temperature change as the difference between 60 and
75 degrees. Addition and subtraction are appropriate with interval scales because a
Taken from Statistics In A Nutshell, Boslaugh 2013.
09:26
That definition of interval vs ratio is what prompted the question. Very glad it works the way I understood it.
Thanks :)
It's an interesting distinction, but doesn't make much difference in everyday life.
"I'm more than cool - I'm 0K"
Yeah
@JonClements :)
old joke - but still a goody :)
Besides, if you touch something that's 30 degrees C and then something that's 300 degrees C, you'll quickly realise that the second one isn't 10 times hotter, it's one billion times hotter. #proofbynaiveundergrad
09:29
Exactly, especially when you compare it to 3 vs 30.
okay - but no one in their right mind would touch something 300C?
That's why it's double blind
I have and I'm pretty sure I'm in my right mind.
I once pulled something out of a furnace in a rush. Luckily I had nitrile gloves on which didn't completely melt onto my fingers.
I was very quick though :P
@Ffisegydd you're an RO here... I think you should re-think your sanity :p
I almost got expelled from school once for err.... let's say that potassium and water don't mix
successfully destroyed a testing chamber - yay me and all that
call that "too much enthusiasm"
09:35
@JanDvorak I'll go for that
was never good at chemistry :)
How much potassium did you drop into water, exactly?
enough to explode and get the science building evac'd
luckily the test chamber had enough resistance
@JonClements I'd say they mix a bit too vigorously, really. Although true they don't mix in the strict chemical sense.
@JRichardSnape never worked out chemistry - covalent and what's the other one
09:41
ta
also, metallic
I imagine your experiment was more iconic in the eyes of your compatriots
van der Waals too.
Not sure about how metallic bonds are classed. Tries to recall 18 years ago
Hydrogen bonds too
09:43
Don't they have a cloud of free electrons or something?
Before you count vand der Waals forces, you should include the much stronger hydrogen bonds
@JRichardSnape I can't even remember how many states of matter there are now
Wow - it's all coming flooding back
metallic = bound by a cloud of free electrons
@JonClements I'll guess 4
09:44
Metallic is similar to ionic except the electrons are "free" and so can move (part of why metals can conduct IIRC), as opposed to ionic where they're static.
solid, liquid, gas and plasma?
States of matter: {laughing, no laughing, doesn't, legal} iirc
5
And a Bose-Einstein condensate I think.
People usually forget plasma, but that's my favourite
@JonClements yes. Although I like @JRichardSnape's ones.
09:45
also, degenerate matter in the middle of neutron stars or quark stars
also, blackholeium
think there's 7 now ?
Is that not just plasma (the centre of neutron stars etc)?
I'm sure our @Ffisegydd will know this :)
Is blackholeium a thing? heads to google. I also thought plasma was in the centre of stars
But am very much prepared to stand corrected
plasma is in the centre of ordinary stars
09:46
In physics, a state of matter is one of the distinct forms that matter takes on. Four states of matter are observable in everyday life: solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. Many other states are known such as Bose–Einstein condensates and neutron-degenerate matter but these only occur in extreme situations such as ultra cold or ultra dense matter. Other states, such as quark–gluon plasmas, are believed to be possible but remain theoretical for now. For a complete list of all exotic states of matter, see the list of states of matter. Historically, the distinction is made based on qualitative differences...
neutron stars are made out of neutrons; electrons got squished together with protons by the sheer amount of pressure
Don't speak to me about neutrons. If I could live in a hydrogen house I'd die a happy man.
Ahh - I see the distinction. Nice to have someone who knows what they're on about around - checks the nonsense I spout a little
quark stars are a theoretical construct where the gravity is too big even for neutrons
Ummm "Four states of matter are observable in everyday life: solid, liquid, gas, and plasma" - when do I ever observe plasma in "everyday life"
09:48
lightning
not every day, but you get plasma in the path of lightning bolts (again, if i remember right)
Some types of lighting bulbs
thought that was just electrons... not plasma
and I thought lightning was just EM
Plasma TVs :P
lightning bolt = tons of electricity rushing through ionised air
Plasma in your blood runs
fluorescent bulbs are essentially an inert gas that is kept ionised by a steady stream of electricity
Well - I have learnt that the range of plasmas is far wider than I thought. And with that, I'd better go and do Bank Holiday things. Thanks for prompting thinking once again, all :) Rbrb
plus a coating that turn the resulting emissions into visible light
@Ffisegydd yeah - can't argue that point can I... good job sir :)
09:56
It's funny how much you forget, even when you're surrounded by science.
wow - just going around the news - new world land speed record to be set
seriously... is 763mph not enough for a car?
and now the aim is 1050mph
I think a more useful thing to do would be to put massive funding into battery tech by making the Le Mans electric-only, and you can't swap out the battery.
it's great we can do these things - but wow - 1000mph in a car
10:02
Wow, though Audi won in 2012 in an etron R8
My old one only did 180 after de-limiting
and then you can't drive more than 70 in the UK anyway
WHO ARE YOU
I just get occasional glimpses of fabulous wealth :)
Oh wait. Maybe you didn't mean you had an R8.
an M5 actually :p
10:08
Oh, okay. Not quite an R8, but still, pretty zoomarrific
@Robert pretty much this model actually youtube.com/watch?v=rnFGLg_-z1o
No youtube here :(
use to have an RS4 as well
Hey all
Is filtering in a list comprehension done after map?
greetings @Bartlomie
10:13
Example?
[tuple(map(sum, x, pos)) for x in positions if x != (0,0)]
The filtered values won't be operated on.
forgot about this one - but a scary vid: youtube.com/watch?v=jJ5Ur3H9svg
(would not want to be in a car with that driver)
11:08
D3 maps - it's like magic.
11:34
Afternoon folks
collapses into chair
Another presentation done
Only one person falling asleep
Was it you? Did you fall asleep in your own presentation?
If the star charts are any judge, I guess some congrats go out to Fizzy!
No I didn't! Was a near thing though
Well done :)
@IntrepidBrit In my screen @davidism has 17 :D
Did you give out 3D printed stuff in the end?
11:36
@RobertGrant Yep. No-one took them this time. Blessing and a curse haha
What are they?
Two little concentric toroids printed at different angles.
One is done "the best way", and the other is printed at an odd angle
Guess the output.
1 and 0 and 2 or []
False?
Tries
Oh.
Yeah, of course lol
Shows: 1) the print angle matters for appearance 2) Shows what makes 3D printing ground-breaking (printed as a single object) 3) "Seams" that can appear in 3D printing
11:41
I think that would make an interesting interview question ;)
I forget that...the key thing there...is like that
Also didn't even know that 1 and 0 gives the answer it does.
Hmmm, that is like that in JavaScript also ;)
Quite interesting
Oh, actually I think I remember this - with and it just returns the first falsy value, or if it's the last value it just returns that without checking if it's truthy or falsy
However my memory's terrible, so possibly not
Sounds about right.
So you get 0 or [] and because 0 is Falsey it returns []
11:51
Yeah
So 2 and 3 and False gives False, but 2 and 3 and 0 gives 0
And 2 and 3 and '' gives ''
Yeah I know :)
Just weird that it doesn't resolve a boolean expression to a boolean value directly, but I guess it could be useful
Even that is documented ;)
And/or it was a performance enhancement, but I'm assuming that's pretty minimal
It's used quite often in Javascript or when golfing anywhere
11:56
I guess though the or thing where it's something or [] is really useful, and uses the same principle, so maybe I just need to think more
But doesn't that break from the Zen?
even Perl has doSth or die
Explicit is better than implicit?
Its more commonly used in JS.
11:57
is that why Python will never have explicit braces? :-D
or explicit variable declarations
@JanDvorak but it has explicit indentation instead :D
I find the indentation to be more explicit than braces ;)
@IntrepidBrit yeah that thing seems to really mean "Anything Guido reckons it should do automatically counts as explicit anyway"
@Ffisegydd back to you, did you turn down that job on Friday?
It's this Friday.
Can't talk at the moment sorry mate, busy busy.
Cool
Interesting: annotate.io
12:14
>>> from dis import dis
>>> dis("1 and 0 and 2 or []")
  1           0 LOAD_CONST               0 (1)
              3 POP_JUMP_IF_FALSE       18
              6 LOAD_CONST               1 (0)
              9 POP_JUMP_IF_FALSE       18
             12 LOAD_CONST               2 (2)
             15 JUMP_IF_TRUE_OR_POP     21
        >>   18 BUILD_LIST               0
        >>   21 RETURN_VALUE
>>> dis("1 and 0 or 2 and []")
  1           0 LOAD_CONST               0 (1)
              3 POP_JUMP_IF_FALSE       12
It looks like whenever there is a series of ands, on failure, it jumps to the next non-and expression
13:12
morning everyone
What is the point of lines 20/21, 25/26, 30/31, 35/36?
F4z
F4z
it's to add 0 if it's not there
but it does something else
F4z
F4z
what do you mean it does something else?
13:21
What does it do?
F4z
F4z
it returns 2 instead of 3, same structure of if and elif but for somereason this one doesn't work..
another hint: what is the output for "I do not want not to help"?
F4z
F4z
what do you mean>
Try it, then try to think about why
F4z
F4z
i've been trying, i came here for someone to help me figure out why this is happening or how I can achieve this
13:25
read lines 17-36 aloud. Think about what they do. It's not what you want them to.
@F4z I think he IS trying to help you figure it out
F4z
F4z
i understand, i'm reading through lines 17-36 to figure out what's happening
Big hint: if word_dict doesn't have "is" and you encounter "is", what is word_dict["is"] going to be after each line? ultimately?
Big question: why do you even bother setting zeroes for keys that you don't want to count?
F4z
F4z
i want to display the value corresponding to the length, i.e. length of 1 : 0
That's not what you do. This counts the occurences of each word that is four characters or shorter
F4z
F4z
13:32
i'm trying to count the occurrence of each word with specific lengths
big hint: lines 18-31 do not have an effect because of what happens on lines 33-36
I'm curious about this code, but can't get to dpaste.com :)
@RobertGrant It's very inefficient
F4z
F4z
lines 33-36 add 1 to the value of the key if the word is a length of 4, if not add 0
@F4z They don't
and if you meant += ... you might encounter another issue
I can compress lines 15-48 to 6 lines
F4z
F4z
13:39
i just started python so give me a bit of space, either way, that's very interesting, i'm gonna keep trying
When you want to see the six-line solution, let me know. But hints for refactoring: do use inequality tests, then move some of the logic from then to else and have it execute unconditionally.
@F4z I haven't seen your code, so this isn't a comment on it, but what's your previous programming experience?
F4z
F4z
i know some basics of c# vb.net and i started with python a while back
i've been getting along finewith certain stuff, but for some reason this kind of thing is taking me a while
You might still be getting into how to think algorithmically
You'll get there :)
Just takes a bit of practice
F4z
F4z
definitely
14:10
cbg all
Just wanted to ask if its possible to use .replace() with bytes object's. Ive tried to decode('UTF-8') then .replace("\x00" , '""), but the string still has all "\x00". Am i just decoding to the wrong codec or something?
oh i found what was going on. i have to encode outside of the for loop, im working with a list of byte object.
Woohoo, cloudy Jira
14:41
Although cloudy Jira is quite slow
cbg all
15:01
Cbg
Rbrb all
15:21
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16:32
cbg again all,
Im having a string step issue, the string"00440049004d002d0031007200"
im trying to turn it into "44494d2d3172" .the closest ive come is " [2::2]" witch outputs "404040203070". What am i doing wrong here,this is very confusing for me: /
Tried "00440049004d002d0031007200".replace('0', '')?
there are '0' in the string i need to keep.
not in this exact string but the list of string im changing this same way has "0" that need to stay.
>>> msg = [78, 111, 119, 32, 72, 105, 114, 105, 110, 103, 0]
>>> map(chr, msg)
['N', 'o', 'w', ' ', 'H', 'i', 'r', 'i', 'n', 'g', '\x00']
>>> ''.join(map(chr, msg))
'Now Hiring\x00'
>>> print ''.join(map(chr, msg))
Now Hiring
pretty cool ad
Probably reduce unqualified applicants that way.
17:02
yeah .... there have been much harder ones ... thats a pretty low bar
that php one in c# though ... wtf
@Death_Dealer ''.join([y for x in zip(s[2::4],s[3::4]) for y in x])
That's why it's the daily wtf
Ok wow i wasnt even close.. im gonna have to study that. Thanks Joran^_^
17:46
Three upvotes on this one today: ux.stackexchange.com/questions/51346/… WHY TODAY?!?!?!?
Joran i have to compliment you on the nested loop, its quite nice. This is something ive been trying to do for awhile thanks again.
at first i used itertools.chain ... but the nested loops is plenty clear here imho
@AaronHall werent we just haveing a big talk about that the other day?
@JoranBeasley you don't need to convert it to a list, you can just pass the generator to join.
(although maybe the list is more efficient since the length is known in advance)
It's memorial day, I think I'll visit UX SE and vote for Aaron Hall's question about credit cards, durdedur...
18:02
@davidism hmm i guess that might be an argument for chain ..
for comprehensions though I think lists are faster ... unless memory is a problem of coarse
18:23
Ramen noodles omnomnom (actual takeaway ramen, not the stuff out of a packet)
19:08
happy memorial day, by the way.
19:33
Cbg
@Ffisegydd got a d3 graph working! Looks fine in opera, chrome and ie; looks wrong in ffx. But it's a start :)
Link @Bob?
Nah just on my laptop
It's the world's simplest graph; nothing difficult :)
or impressive
Just thought I'd keep you posted :)
Cbg
In flight to Germany! :)
Cabbage and happy memorial day
19:50
Happy memorial day!
 
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22:39
Hi, sorry, I'm just writing my first ever chat message
@ytpillai Hey :)
@michaelpri hey back :)
What's up?
I'm trying to figure out how to install Hadoop on Koding.com
Sounds cool
22:42
Yeah.....sorry man casual talk isn't my thing
Hehe, it's not my strong suit either
I'll brb, gotta go eat

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