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user559633
2:02 PM
Sounds like something I'd want to be open sourced, especially considering as it just looks for a requirements file in some predefined places and does a diff against pypi
 
user559633
mh317.io
 
@tristan yeah, it's a bit expensive
 
user559633
Although for $10 a month/120 a year, maybe it's at the tradeoff point as it would take me about an hour to write this myself with email integration
 
Today I found out there are horses near my work. Finally I feel at home
 
user559633
@corvid uhh
 
2:05 PM
Nice to have a stable job
 
user559633
finally you can horse around at
 
Heh.
 
user559633
bobby's was better so i didn't bother finishing
 
Apparently people working at jobs like that do much better
According to the latest Gallop poll
 
2:07 PM
Which nose is best? THIS ONE!
 
anybody experienced with SQLAlchemy's hybrid attributes. ive been trying to tackle an issue: stackoverflow.com/questions/30264374/…
 
2:31 PM
I think I used a hybrid attribute once, does that count?
 
Yes. it was nice exercising my head but i'd really appreciate help now.
 
DSM
Day-off cabbage for all!
 
@DSM Whooohoo! I'll inform my team. DSM gave me the day off.
 
@user2290820 dunno, but have an upvote. Good question.
 
@JonClements super sad news: Oculus Rift to drop support for Mac and Linux -- so you have to wait for Razer OSVR
 
DSM
2:36 PM
If there's a cabbage of friendship, I don't see why there can't be a cabbage of vacation.
 
user559633
oh, it's not binding on chained calls
 
user559633
@PeterVaro lol they should change the headline to "oculus rift decides to put themselves out of business"
 
@RobertGrant thanks.
 
@tristan exactly...
 
I think MS are hoping that one day people will create games for Windows
The dastards
Blimey, we have a new $deploy_chap. Deploys as soon as I ask to the environment that developers may not touch. What a good $deploy_chap.
(Too many silly things in that sentence)
 
2:39 PM
Still getting used to the ability to unilaterally close anything. But this question was really unclear.
I started writing an answer but any way I turned it the answer only raised more questions.
 
@Peter I assume you've been looking into the different headsets, as part of your project. I may bend your ear on the subject at some point, I'll be looking to buy one.
 
cbg
 
Yeah, deceze summed it up nicely.
> So you don't want an exception to be raised, instead you... want to raise an exception...?
 
And I must say "Lol you think that not supporting Mac/Linux will put them out of business"
 
@MartijnPieters I thought he was saying he wants logic and more specific messages around which argument is missing, but I could be wrong.
 
2:41 PM
I thought he might actually be asking "How should I raise an error within def f(*args): when args has zero elements?" but then it basically answers itself.
 
@Ffisegydd sure, but imho you have to wait for late 2015 / early 2016 => lots of things will change, lots of HMDs will come up
 
@MartijnPieters The OP is quite experienced there, he'll clarify and ping you back ... So now it is perfect
:D
 
@Peter yeah that's my plan basically. I'll need to upgrade my PC anyway so gonna wait as late as possible so the component prices reduce.
 
Sad that he deleted instead of making it clear :(
 
@BhargavRao yeah, which is why they got a little more in the way of comments and an initial assumption I was reading the question wrong.
But they deleted it now.
 
2:42 PM
Yep ... He might ask a fully clear question soon
 
@Ffisegydd will you switch to Arch (finally)?
 
guys I have a data modeling question.
 
@Peter nah. I've got a Windows PC, a Mac Air, and a Ubuntu server.
 
@Ffisegydd :P
 
DSM
Am I missing something when it comes to restful interfaces? I don't see why putting actions which don't fit nicely into the verbs into query strings is somehow superior to putting verbs into the URL side. IIUC, sopython also breaks the base-urls-describe-resources policy.
 
2:44 PM
I'll be buying it mostly for gaming, but also thinking in terms of movies for it too.
 
What is the conventional way to create roles such that there are groups of roles which can only edit specific entities? Eg, a user belongs to games, and can only edit those games
 
What is with Waco?
 
@Ffisegydd that will be quite awesome, yeah
 
@PeterVaro have you tried HoloLens?
 
2:48 PM
@RobertGrant I don't think you can buy it right now -- it's not even released yet
 
so many places are releasing some variety of VR, I'm sure apple will follow suit in a year or two
 
but it looks promising, and well, it is not strictly VR it is Augmented Reality
which is super awesome ofc :)
 
@corvid The Apple VR will be revolutionary. It'll have the worst specs of all of them and come out 2 years later.
 
@RobertGrant I once got stranded 10 minutes away from that place the last time I was in Texas
Despite being a bloody huge place, there's remarkably few people wandering around Waco
 
@Ffisegydd also twice the price ;)
 
2:49 PM
I'm surprised the bikers found each other to shoot ;)
 
and there will be only ObjC support and Swift will come later this fall
 
@IntrepidBrit well apparently the cafe use to hold "biker evenings" :)
 
cbg
 
Rbrb :)
 
cbg and rbrb respectively :P
 
2:52 PM
cbg
 
cbg PM
 
user4587874
Is there a way to obtain the standard deviations on fitting parameters when using fit = pylab.polyfit(x,y,1) ?
 
@Ffisegydd but think of how flashy the ads will be
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd except they're beta and their product is as of now an expensive toy. they need people willing to burn their free time getting things to work
 
user559633
not supporting linux/osx end users is one thing, but devs?
 
2:55 PM
Aren't most PCs just expensive toys? :P
 
user559633
most expensive PCs are toys, yes
 
I'm only here for a short while tonight. I've been busy working on an interesting problem about partitions from SE.mathematics.
 
@PM2Ring was going to say you've snuck in there :)
 
@JonClements That'd explain it then
 
@IntrepidBrit started off with fist fights, then whips and chains and knifes, then into a gun battle... you should be use to that in Scotland :)
 
2:57 PM
:)
 
I have a math question for SE but I'm not sure if it's stupid :\
 
@JonClements What, no headbutting?
 
@IntrepidBrit possibly - if not - you need to get over there and show 'em how to do it properly!
 
@PM2Ring Your answer there looks awsum coz it's long :P
Math SE badges look badass
 
I just teleported over there... told one of 'em that guy over there called your mother a slag,,, then left and teleported back home :)
 
2:59 PM
@JonClements "What's a slag?"
You probably need to translate that one to them ;)
 
@corvid They get a pretty wide range of question on SE.mathematics. It doesn't matter if it's basic, or possibly stupid, but it helps if you show what you've already done to solve the problem yourself, similar to posting code on SO.
 
Slag is the glass-like by-product left over after a desired metal has been separated
From Wikipedia :P
 
@IntrepidBrit Amazingly that's what he said... I made some hand gestures - he got the idea...
 
@PM2Ring it's more of just a curiosity. Why do bikes balance so well while in motion, mathematically?
 
@corvid one simple word - gravity? :)
 
3:01 PM
@BhargavRao Thanks. It rambles a bit. :) But hopefully it's more readable than a solid block of equations & abstruse notation. And the Python output adds a bit to the length. :)
 
thus shows my knowledge of physics
 
@JonClements Bikes can't across the Atlantic right? I should be safe
 
@IntrepidBrit unless they've got Hagrid's bike - you're fine
 
It takes more energy to tip over a moving bike than a stationary one because mumble mumble kinetic energy mumble rotational momentum.
 
3:02 PM
Bloody shoreditch hipster buggers
@Kevin Or because of the kickstand ;)
 
@IntrepidBrit sounds ideal for those people that go to that restaurant in east london that only serves breakfast cereal :)
 
Yep. Although I appreciate that more
You can get specialist old-school cereals you can't normally get there. So it makes an iota of sense
 
@corvid That's a physics question! And it's a bit tricky, so even knowledgeable physics types may get the answer wrong. IIRC, gyroscopic stabilization from the spinning wheels doesn't have as much effect as is often assumed - the wheels don't have much mass compared to the rest of the bike + rider, so they don't actually have a huge amount of angular momentum.
 
I remember a fun physics demonstration we did in high school. We had a 12 inch diameter wheel in the center of an axle that was long enough to grip with both hands. Turning the axle from horizontal to vertical is easy when the wheel isn't spinning, and hard when it is spinning.
 
@IntrepidBrit a mate went there and took a photo... I was like "omg! I'd forgotten about that... where did they buy that from!?"
 
3:07 PM
I've never had an intuitive grasp of the physics of rotation, so I just assume it's magic.
 
@JonClements Exactly. They don't serve cereal, just obscure childhood nostalgia.
 
bah physics is so confusing, even simple things seem really complicated on further inspection
 
@Kevin I guess it's like most ships in early scifi have huge rotating things around the main hull to create some "internal gravity"
 
Centrifugal force makes sense to me, so of course it's "imaginary". Whatever. Insert relevant XKCD here.
 
That's the only reason why I studied physics at University. I'm fairly pants at it, but it's endlessly fascinating.
 
3:11 PM
Centrifugal force exists.
And yeah bikes stay upright because of doping.
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd Well, that, and wristbands.
 
Ummmm ^^^^^ :)
 
Now let's argue about whether any two objects can ever really "touch" because particles repel one another at a mircoscopic level.
 
They can't, the electrons get in the way. Next topic!
 
3:13 PM
Define touch
 
user559633
@Kevin otherwise known as "brony particles"
 
Reckon "Whats My Line?" will mind if we still their floor logo :)
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd Not when it's quite cold
 
touch. Verb. To contact.
contact. Verb. To touch.
 
3:14 PM
The fact that centrifugal force is fictitious doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 
It all depends on your frame of reference.
 
centrifugal/centripetal - what's the difference? :p
 
twitch
 
@Kevin A few years ago I bought a Powerball hand-powered gyroscope thingy. I don't use it so much these days, though.
 
"fug" and "pet", looks like.
 
3:15 PM
@PM2Ring I've got one of them, they're amazing.
 
And possibly placement of stress on the syllables. Or not, depending on your region.
 
In fact the logo ^^^ is almost exactly the right colours... I so want to use that and if the TM committee have any problems, we can juts say... sorry guys - it's from 1974 :)
 
@IntrepidBrit I, like, live my life in a non-inertial reference frame, dude.
 
@Ffisegydd Cool! I suppose I ought to get a new one - my old one's a bit worn out. I haven't looked at their website for a couple of years; it looks like there are a few new models out now.
 
user559633
@IntrepidBrit which star trek movie was that?
 
user559633
3:21 PM
i don't remember any homeless on the HMS enterprise
 
@tristan stop being a troll. It was Stargate.
 
... you guys are dumb. It's obviously Gandalf
 
Of course - the filename containing obi-wan is just very misleading obviously :p
 
Well, there is a gap in Gandalf's history in between Moria and meeting up with the fellowship. "darkness took me, and I strayed out of thought and time, and I wandered far on roads that I will not tell".
Perfect opportunity to hop over to another galaxy and fight some more evil.
 
He's also got the right voice to shout "GALLIFREY FALLS NO MORE!"
 
3:25 PM
Obi Wan Kenobi wasn't in Harry Potter!?
 
why didn't harry potter just shoot voldemort with a gun?
 
@corvid there's a load of questions on SF&F regarding that :)
 
@user2290820 I'll answer your question later if you can wait, but to answer your comment, you can use hybrid_method, it's defined right there in the docs along with hybrid_property
 
@davidism im using hybrid_method for the query. i am changing the attirbute to FLoat, foo(float(object.attribute)) inside the method isnt exactly going well
@davidism sure please take ur time
 
3:28 PM
also, object is a terrible name for something, given that object is the builtin base class
 
user559633
@IntrepidBrit Gandalf the Neckbeard
 
dnt get me wrong. its an abstract question. its nt an object.
 
I always just assumed that wizards are impervious to non-magical damage. In one of the early books, doesn't Neville fall off his broom and hit the pavement three stories below, and he's fine? Or did I imagine that.
 
Foo is a better placeholder than object if you want to make your question a little clearer
 
@Kevin Macgonagall cast a spell at the last minute to break his fall
 
user559633
3:30 PM
@Kevin In the DnD universe, wizards can take physical damage
 
(something like Impedimenta)
 
@JonClements Perhaps that's what she told him, merely because they don't want twelve year olds knowing exactly how reckless they can be with their indestructible forms. Such shenanigans would occur.
 
user559633
Undead or ghost like chars are typically magic-only damage
 
@tristan true... but a sharp shooter a mile out I reckon would beat a wizard :)
 
3:32 PM
@Kevin yup - already read that :)
 
@corvid Voldy made himself almost immortal, so he's not easy to kill. Sure, a non-magical weapon might blow his head off, but that doesn't guarantee that he'll stay killed.
 
@davidism ill change the placeholder
 
user559633
Oh I'm not even going to argue in the hogwash harry potter universe
 
@PM2Ring would probably make the wizarding community happier for a bit though :)
 
My favorite handwavey explanation is "gunpowder doesn't work in the presence of magic" which implies that the fundamental principle of combustion doesn't work, which incidentally means that human lungs stop functioning as well.
 
3:36 PM
@PM2Ring but why don't they just get legolas to take the ring to mordor? He's obviously the most competent
 
@Kevin HP wizards & witches can be damaged, but they're a fair bit more resilient than Muggles. Plus the medical wizards & witches have spells, potions etc that can do some pretty amazing stuff, so damage that'd be severe to a Muggle is only a day or two in the infirmary for a wizard / witch.
 
Or you know, it's based in the UK. And getting your hands on a firearm is generally harder for children here than the rest of the world
 
Not if they know Accio :-D
 
Accio bazooka!
Wizarding world is discovered as troops follow the case of the mysteriously floating RPG
 
@tristan FWIW, I re-read the HP books a couple of months ago. Yes, they have all sorts of flaws. But the main reason I re-read them was in preparation for reading Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, which has finally been completed. I've read most of HPMOR at least once, but there was such a long delay before the last chapters were posted that I decided to go back to the very beginning.
 
user559633
3:43 PM
@PM2Ring I've never read or seen any harry potter content
 
user559633
@IntrepidBrit How hard can it be? Petrol + matches = firearm
 
Incidentally, "the characters don't do <reasonable thing> because then there would be no story" is probably the most unsatisfying answer you can give for any plot-hole based question.
 
@corvid Good call. However, would Legolas be able to resist the temptation to wield the Ring? OTOH, remember that hobbits are quite good at stealth, and being mostly ignored by the other races of Middle Earth. Gandalf hopes that Sauron won't even suspect that a hobbit could be a major player. Which is pretty dumb, since Sauron knows about Smeagol / Gollum.
 
user559633
3:47 PM
@Kevin see also why cellphones ended most storylines for dramas and horror movies
 
Cue the "Huh, I've got no signal in this isolated area we're in" supercut
 
user559633
@PM2Ring sauron knew the gollum had the ring?
 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIZVcRccCx0
 
@tristan The original HP books are worth reading just so you have the background for HPMOR. :) However, just seeing a few HP movies is possible enough background.
 
But the elves weren't corrupted by their 7 rings, were they? IIRC, in the book it said the elves were mostly spared from the corruption, the dwarves a decent amount, and the elves not so much
 
3:49 PM
3 rings. And it was because they didn't allow Sauron to make them bad.
 
user559633
@corvid the elves are already near immortal and live in an elf paradise, what could the rings give them?
 
DSM
@davidism: ah, you're here. I've been trying to use the sopython site code to learn from, but I had a question about the url-action structure. Got a moment?
 
The usual explanation is "elves aren't dominated by the one ring, but they will still inevitably use the power to amass a tremendous army, smash mordor, and install themselves as an equally unpleasant dictator as Sauron would have been"
 
DSM
All shall love me and despair!
8
 
@tristan Yeah, but not until after he'd lost the Ring. Gollum went wandering after his encounter with Bilbo, eventually going to Mordor.
 
user559633
3:51 PM
lol i hope someone that called us a "downvote mob" comes in and sees us huddled over fold out tables talking about magic, dnd, harry potter, lord of the rings...and not like the the surface stuff that any casual would know about
 
I'mma star that because it works excellently with no context.
 
user559633
@PM2Ring ah yes
 
@corvid Still. Galadriel refused the Ring when Frodo offered it to her, knowing that it would lead to no good if she had it.
 
@Kevin yeah I thought the same :P I generally try to star things so DSM and davidism will come in later in the day and think "What the actual f*ck were they on about?"
 
DSM
3:52 PM
For what it's worth, you often succeed.
 
why didn't they give the ring to Kevin, then?
 
Because with KevinScript and the One Ring, nothing could stop him.
 
I can't recommend giving me any kind of authority. Just being an RO is borderline dangerous.
 
user559633
"does the fire marshall title for this department come with an axe?"
 
@DSM Probably even without the flags, hey? :p
 
4:05 PM
Time to read some more HPMOR & then get some sleep. Rhubarb.
 
night
 
@PM2Ring rbrb
 
Agenda is looking light for the GM, we need to make some stuff up.
 
user559633
night pm2ring
 
I assume a general run down on the sopython projects is there by default?
 
4:13 PM
Already there.
 
Yep... so I see
umm.... have we not put it in the events list?
 
Jon Clements has added an event to this room's schedule.
 
Nice spelling there John.
 
Hey how about adding an agenda as to the progress on the last GM's proposals
 
user559633
Jonny Clementine
 
4:15 PM
Jon Clements has removed an event from this room's schedule.
Jon Clements has added an event to this room's schedule.
 
@Ffisegydd d0h! It's like I always type server instead of serve etc...
 
user559633
"i'll leave you out for the sun to eat" instead of "i disagree" happens all the time to me too *edit: forgot i was being sponsored by the Florida Board of Tourism this week
 
@tristan I know... they are sooooooooo easy to typo, right!? :p
@BhargavRao that's not a bad idea - what'd you think @Ffisegydd - be nice to show what we've taken on board and done since then so it's known we're not just doing this for fun
 
user559633
That would be cool
 
user559633
Otherwise, we should just meet up at a bar
 
4:19 PM
Seconded. I know a great gin joint.
 
Wait wat!? We don't have a bar arranged for Thursday's meeting?
 
user559633
I'll host in the metal bar that I operate (dubbel-bass)
 
awesome - we can just write the transcript now - and while in the bar - make random mouth movements and gestures to make it look like we're actually discussing anything - I love this plan
 
user559633
i like that you'd do that even though no one is paying us or would demand that we actually conduct business
 
While we're discussing bars, I should mention I'm eating at Grillstock again tonight (I mention this solely to make Jon cry).
 
user559633
4:22 PM
"American-style barbecue joint with a huge central wooden table, plus rock music and takeaway option." I'll be the judge of that! (the takeaway option, that is, obviously)
 
/me tries not to cry, but ends up sitting in the corner whimpering anyway
 
user559633
I will be eating a mushroom, bacon, swiss burger while my toes are in the ocean tonight
 
@tristan really hope jaws doesn't turn up :p
 
user559633
I do! SharkSteaks for everyone
 
@tristan the f*ck you doing putting mushroom on a burger eating a mushroom in general?
 
user559633
4:25 PM
@Ffisegydd sauteed mushroom on a burger is delicious
 
Knowing our MTFL - it's probably one that's not absent of some psilocybins :)
 
Mushroom is never delicious. Never. Ever.
 
Brief Rbrb ... Dinner time
 
@Ffisegydd a woman I used to work with despised mushrooms... but would order a mushroom omelette when at lunch... confused the hell out of me
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd Going to disagree there, good buddy
 
4:27 PM
Depends on how the mushroom is cooked and what mushroom it is
 
Finally, we come to what breaks our bromance. God damn mushrooms!
 
if a good mushroom and cooked well (not all slippery and rubbery and tasteless) they're perfectly fine by me
 
user559633
Doing baby belle mushrooms in a butter, sweet onion reduce
 
@tristan doing that with some blue steak/or if decent burger meat - close to rare? :)
 
user559633
@JonClements Yeah, ground beef on the stovetop, but still close to rare
 
4:29 PM
Hi fives the MTFL! :)
 
Let's not forget that I also like well done steak.
 
user559633
h5 :)
 
You can tell the quality of the meat a restaurant uses if you ask for a burger rare if they come back with: "I'm afraid we only do it well done"
 
user559633
I like how when I meet Fizzymens, it will be part "oh hai" and part "please sit down in this chair. the room is full of people that love you..."
 
user559633
@JonClements yep! or if you ask for rare and they said "we can do medium"
 
4:31 PM
That's why I like the place in Camden... the burgers are basically ground down and pattied steak
 
To be fair, I do sometimes have medium.
 
so you can have it as you want it
proper fresh beef can be eaten raw
 
user559633
Yum. I think the best burger I ever had came from tenderloin that I ground down and only seared
 
user559633
The worst was when I was cooking drunk and thought "why doesn't anyone do a whiskey burger?"
 
Admittedly, if I'm out with mates - I tend to ask for rare... as it normally ends up closer to medium
I love to cook with Scotch - sometimes I even put it in the food :)
 
user559633
4:34 PM
Yeah, i think my problem was the ratios
 
user559633
the list of ingredients would have been "laphroaig, meat, pepper"
 
user559633
saved.
 
That looks amazing.
 
user559633
i think i'd do it differently though -- i'd reduce the whisky into the honey so it can be applied like a glaze
 
4:38 PM
It will not darken quickly, so use your sense of smell to tell you when it is nutty enough. ahhh - that's out until hayfever subsides then
 
@tristan Why not do both?
 
user559633
@MorganThrapp When cooking with strong alcohols, it's very easy to dominate the palette
 
@tristan when doing it yourself yeah... but when I've been out and had a steak with JD glaze... hasn't tasted anything more than just steak really...
 
True. I just like the idea of Whiskey whipped cream.
And if you just do less whiskey in each, I feel like it should be possible.
 
user559633
@JonClements Yeah, glaze is good
 
4:41 PM
Pssh. If it's good steak you don't need anything else. Just a cast iron skillet and salt + pepper
 
In The Loop is on iPlayer :)
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd this pours gasoline on the bromance flame
 
@Ffisegydd I normally do some crushed garlic - just cos I really like garlic
 
@Ffisegydd I'd argue a little Rosemary is never a bad idea, but yeah.
 
I love garlic but don't have it with the steak. I love paprika wedges.
 
4:42 PM
@MorganThrapp I love rosemary with lamb
 
user559633
i like doing a side of garlic and potatoes with rosemary
 
garlic and rosemary are ideal for potatoes.
 
@JonClements I love rosemary with anything. I had a rosemary lemonade the other day, it was beautiful.
 
Rosemary is nice, but only in smaller doses. I find it can overpower a dish.
I'd eat garlic all day long though.
 
user559633
Oh man, your urinary tract would be happy with you
 
user559633
4:46 PM
Garlic: Not just for pee-tube health anymore!
 
Hahah... just watching Frankie Boyle's Election Autopsy from last night...
 
I like garlic going down but not coming up. I feel like modern cooking underestimates the importance of a good burp bouquet.
 
"Britain is a funny place: you can be 16 and have sex but have to be 18 to get married. You can join the army at 16 but have to be 18 to buy Call of Duty" :)
 
You can drink at the age of 12 too (I think it's actually younger)
I think it's 6, at home. Parental supervision, etc
 
@IntrepidBrit can't you get married in Scotland at 16?
 
4:55 PM
Yep
Good old Gretna Green
 
user559633
how old do you have to be to get divorced in scotland?
 

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